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Agreed, an excellent practical comparison. I have played the M3 challenge quite a lot, and our opinions on where the differences and where the similarities are are absolutely on par.An Excelent post there, shame there is no longer a reputation in place.
What I want to know is if Gran Turismo is finally a sim. GT4 was not a sim in my opinion but a car collection pokemon extravaganza because of the ridiculous oversteer (lack of) physics. GT5P seems a lot closer, it's not as hard and rough as Simbin titles but it is a bit smooth like Live For Speed. I think if I understand and accept the compromises of GT5P being a console game then I can just enjoy it, and not feel guilty about playing a 95% sim rather than a 100% "you'll never make it through qualifying" palm sweating, butt bruising simulator.
orubasarotWhat I want to know is if Gran Turismo is finally a sim. GT4 was not a sim in my opinion but a car collection pokemon extravaganza because of the ridiculous oversteer (lack of) physics. GT5P seems a lot closer, it's not as hard and rough as Simbin titles but it is a bit smooth like Live For Speed. I think if I understand and accept the compromises of GT5P being a console game then I can just enjoy it, and not feel guilty about playing a 95% sim rather than a 100% "you'll never make it through qualifying" palm sweating, butt bruising simulator.
The second biggest is that in PC sims controlling a burnout is hard and realistic, in GT5P you can just floor the gas pedal with a 600hp car from standing still and just go straight without the car trying to go this way or that.
The 3rd biggest thing that still seperates PC sims from GT5P is that you can be just as fast and have almost as much control over your car as another driver who uses a wheel. In PC sim racing drivers using a joypad or joystick or even a keyboard have no hope to beat someone who is just half way decent with a wheel.
Thanks for the advice Cavanaugh, will give it a go. Unfortunately by including such an unrealistic FFB setting it does somewhat hurt the game's claim to be a simulator...
This is a very interesting thread, best in a while! I
Firstly, I'd like to say that I consider LFS to be the absolute high water mark as far as simulations go. In fact, I don't really consider it a game, making comparisons to 'games' like GT and Rfactor almost pointless.
👍I personally think that the F2007 is too easy to drive, but then I have never driven an F1 car so I can't really comment
This is interesting and I'm glad to see so many different opinions. It seems like none of these games really have it quite right, but they come close in different areas for different people. I wish this wasn't the case, since I wanted there to be only one single correct answer, but I guess it'll never be that easy.