Formula Gran Turismo...READ thread, TUNE car, POST result

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downforce max/max
diff 15/20/15
ride height -5/0
spring rate 16.4/17.5
damper ext 6/8
damper comp 5/7
anti roll 5/7
camber -2.5/-1.5
toe -0.25/-0.15
trans 249
brakes 4/1

try this one and let me know what you think. i tested it on the formula gt races with the following results...

fuji
passed every car in the field going into turn 1 lap 1, lol, and was never threatened again. wasn't even close

indy road course
similar result to fuji. they were forever behind me

nurburgring gpf
had some problems here. the car pushes BIG TIME in one of the turns, and i couldnt get it to stop even after spending a significant amount of time trying to adjust the tune to fix the problem.

cote -same settings, but adjust trans to 199 or one increment higher than that
had an incredibly bad crash due to an AI car doing the pit maneuver to me on lap 1. ended up like 20 seconds behind leader. battled back to first place, but a couple devastating bumps to the wall caused me to "stick" to the wall causing several cars to get around me again. Fought back to 2nd place, but ran out of laps before i could overtake the leader again. was right behind him though. the loss here was on me, but this race is pure awesomeness.

suzuka
couldn't finish this one. tune seemed to work all right, but it was 7 am and i had to go to bed.



what do you guys think of this one. what i really tried to work on with this tune was that i attemped to the best of my ability to make the car so it would keep turning when you drop the hammer coming out of turns.
 
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I'm guessing max downforce?

EDIT:and for the camber, is 2.5/1/5 meant to say 2.5/1.5??
And could you clear up the - signs with the camber/toe plz, as you have - on the camber which is impossible, and both are - on toe as well, does this mean both are negative angles?
Sorry if this sounds a lil naggy :/
 
thesrdic
I'm guessing max downforce?

EDIT:and for the camber, is 2.5/1/5 meant to say 2.5/1.5??
And could you clear up the - signs with the camber/toe plz, as you have - on the camber which is impossible, and both are - on toe as well, does this mean both are negative angles?
Sorry if this sounds a lil naggy :/
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sorry abuot the typo. yes camber is -2.5/-1.5 the negative signs are actually correct since camber is always negative. look closely at the game screen. it says camber and has a (-) after it to indicate that the numbers are actuallly negative camber, so actually its positive camber that is impossible to do in the game.

for toe both values are negative in this particular tune.

hope this helps.
 
jorday
sorry abuot the typo. yes camber is -2.5/-1.5 the negative signs are actually correct since camber is always negative. look closely at the game screen. it says camber and has a (-) after it to indicate that the numbers are actuallly negative camber, so actually its positive camber that is impossible to do in the game.

for toe both values are negative in this particular tune.

hope this helps.
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Cheers :) I'd got used to seeing 2.0/1.0 etc on tuning pages I keep forgetting that!
 
thesrdic
Cheers :) I'd got used to seeing 2.0/1.0 etc on tuning pages I keep forgetting that!
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i was confused by it at first too. i was thinking uh why are we adding positive camber to the cars that doesn't make any sense, but then i noticed the (-) sign. :)

let us know how it works.
 
doggy__style
a like it, might require a little tweeking for me. but its good.
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here is a slightly different version to try if you like. i actually made this one first, but for me i felt the first one posted was better.

downforce 70/90
diff 20/35/30
transmission 249
ride height -5/0
spring rate 17.0/17.5
damper ext 8/8
damper comp 7/7
anti roll bars 7/7
camber -2.5/-1.5
toe -0.25/-0.15
brake 4/1
 
just used this setup at the Fuji race, was far easier than the setup I used last time round, my best lap was about 0.5s down from before, but because of the lack of understeer I wasn't falling off the track every other lap. Liking the slight oversteer as well, helped to push through the cambered, tightening corners
 
well i'll give it a go later when i switch the ps on,had a wee try with the fgt last night and hated it.but will try these settings coz i still need to do it
 
thesrdic
yeah, worked well at indy too. Gonna take a brake before cote d' azur
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Let us know how it works in the next three races. Don't forget to drop the gear ratio for cote d' azur, and then raise it back up for the following race. Also the rain tires must be used.
doobieduck
well i'll give it a go later when i switch the ps on,had a wee try with the fgt last night and hated it.but will try these settings coz i still need to do it
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The car is very difficult to control with the default settings. I don't have it near perfect by any means. We're getting there, though. Were getting there. :)
 
So going off of the tune in the link I posted, here's my own tweak to what he's already got. I constantly messed around with lowering the ride height and played with the toe and camber, with increasingly faster lap times on the High Speed Ring.


I increased from a 0:48.647 lap up to a 0:47.052, and here's the tune I used for the faster time:


Aero: 70/90
Trans: 242 mph
LSD: 15/45/50
Height: -7/-7
Spring: 17.8/17.5
Ext: 7/8
Comp: 5/6
Roll: 7/7
Camber: -2.5/-0.6
Toe: -0.15/-0.12
Brakes: 7/4
Tires: Racing Soft


I'm interested in hearing opinions on my brake settings. These work for me, but I've seen a lot of people running 4/1 on their brakes.


Also, if you feel the rear end is too loose for you with my tune, reverse the toe settings to -0.12/-0.15. I found that to firm up the car more in cornering.

And also, these settings were used with no assists on at all TCS, ABS, etc.
 
I'm right in the middle of the formula gt championship, and i'll test these settings when i get finished.

You should test them on a real track like Fuji and post what your lap time is there. That's the track than many of us have been using, since it is one of the formula gt championship tracks.

Fuji is also MUCH more likely to reveal weaknesses in the tune. There are turns from 30 mph to over 200 mph there. Plus there are decreasing radius turns that will definitely put the tune to the test. There could be very big low speed handling problems with the settings that would not be readily apparent on high speed ring.


And a note on the brakes. If you like to continue braking into the turn like I do, then you will probably find that something like 4/1 works well for you. I frequently use this method to overtake other cars. If you like the car to stop in a hurry then obviously turn the brakes up, but it gets very easy to lose control if you're trying to stay on the brakes while turning.
 
SS_1182 I took your tune for a test ride on several tracks and ran the following lap times. It's a good tune. It was good enough so that I spend some time driving with it. Most of the FGT tunes posted on here I usually abandon them after about 1/2 lap. Interesting to me was the fact that during some conditions your tune would oversteer more than mine, but in other conditions it would understeer more.


First, a note on the brake settings. For me, although the extra stopping power is nice, it comes at too great of a price. At 4/1 i can stay on the brakes well into the turn, and I can use the brakes to help put the car right exactly where i want it, and the end result of that is that i can get on the gas sooner and come out of the turn with more speed. I can also tap the brakes mid turn if i've come in too hot and have a good chance of saving the corner. With the brakes at 7/4, you have to get rid of most of your speed while still moving straight. When I try to turn in while slowing down with the brakes turned up this high the car almost always starts to slide. Also with high brake settings...it becomes a gamble to attempt tapping the brakes mid turn because it upsets the car so much, and there is a high probability of loss of control of the car.

Fuji
here there were a couple of the high speed turns that it felt like my settings had more grip. on at least 2 turns i had to slow down more to be able to make it with your settings.
best lap my settings 1:12.6
best lap your settings 1:13.6

Nurburgring gp/f
Here there were some problems. This track is pretty bumpy in some and has dips in some spots. There's one turn that's especially bad. The car bounced more than my setup due to the front being stiffer. The lower ride height seemed to make car bottom out, bounce and not want to turn at that one ugly turn. My tune does it too, but it seemed worse with the lower ride height. The truth is that for this course, both of our tunes could stand some revision. Again there were some high speed turns that I can make with my settings, but i had to slow down just a little bit with your settings or i wound up in the sand. that last issue hurt the lap times a lot.

Best lap my settings 1:26.9
Best lap your settings 1:30.0

Suzuka
On Suzuka it was hard for me to get the speed just right going through the esses near the start of the track. on this stretch of the track, you tap the brakes while you initiate a turn then drop the hammer...for several turns in a row. even with the smallest tap, i often scrubbed off too much speed, or it made the back of the car slide a tiny bit which in turn scrubbed off speed. However, there is one spot where the stronger brakes was nice. You come off a long, very high speed turn and then suddenly you have to slow down for the hairpin. It's actually pretty easy to fly off the track in this spot with my settings or at least enter the turn all wrong because you couldn't slow down. With your tune it wasn't even an issue. I probably could have stopped the car to 0 mph before i even got to the turn if I wanted to.

Best lap my settings 1:29.6
best lap your settings 1:30.7

I need to run some more laps at suzuka with your settings because its definitely better than those numbers.

finally I ran a test run with my tune only at high speed ring and ran 46.3 on the very first lap and then a 46.0 a couple of laps later.
 
Good info, Jorday. I'll try out my tunes on Fuji and see if I can find any tweaks that need to be done.

Yeah, I was afraid it might oversteer for some, did you try reversing the toe settings? I've found that toe makes a big difference on this game. The reverse setting improved oversteer for me, but I think the setup I posted works better for my driving style.

I also brake late and hard with the FGT, so I can understand why you'd use the 4/1 for the approach you mentioned. I don't have an issue with the car locking up when I do this, even at full brake, until 3rd gear or below, by which point I'm not usually in full brake anymore anyway. The real value I've seen is on tracks like Tokyo R where I'm coming across the checkered line at full throttle heading into that first sharp turn. From a high speed I can stop on a dime and overtake in that corner with late braking.

I'll mess around some more today on Fuji and Nurburgring. La Sarthe might be another good one to add so we can figure out what ride height adjustments might need to be made to get the best results on the rougher tracks.



I'll also run my tune for a while and then try yours out to see how it feels. I'll try to get you some feedback. :)
 
Lads im gonna use these tune ups and hopefully they will help me. I was able to pick up the formula GT in the last 1.05 update and went on the track at fuji and maaan was i crap couldnt exit the corners without spining out and ending up in last place and quiting.... Did this 4 or 5 times and ended up leaving it and doing other races, i need a setup where i can at least enjoy the races,i think Fuji is a tough track aswell cause of the blind corners. i will reply and let you's know how i got on.
Fairplay to you guys that are able to do this tuning, bravo.....

Thats the ticket...... at last i can do a lap without spinning out !!! I think i can do this now, thanks for the setup jorday.
 
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Here's an update. I went through the Formula GT championship again last night using the first tune I posted this thread with the following results:

Fuji - 1st place
Destroyed the CPU cars. The car in second place was probably a half lap behind by the time it was over.

Indy road course - 1st place
Basically the same result as Fuji. The front will bounce a little bit on this track.

Cote d'Azur - 1st place
Adjust transmission gearing to 199 or 205. With 199, you touch the rev limiter in one spot. You must be precise on this track with any tune, and bumps into the wall can be devastating. If you get the exits of the turns, the car will charge out of the corners leaving the other cars behind.

Nurburgring GP/F 1st place
The car still bounces in a couple of turns here, but the problem can be virtually eliminated by choosing a different line through the turns where this issue occurs. Mistakes on this course are costly and end with you being WAY in the sand. By the end of the race I had lapped about half of the other cars.

Monza - 1st place
I thought the car was easy to control on this track. No bouncing. Choose lines carefully and you can get on the throttle MUCH earlier than it seems at first.

Suzuka - 1st place
This was the only race where the other cars were even close to me by the end. I crashed in the sand several times and was passed by multiple cars each time it happened. On this track I was able to carry HUGE amounts of speed through the medium speed turns that I could overtake multiple cars in this section.

wigs2009
Lads im gonna use these tune ups and hopefully they will help me. I was able to pick up the formula GT in the last 1.05 update and went on the track at fuji and maaan was i crap couldnt exit the corners without spining out and ending up in last place and quiting.... Did this 4 or 5 times and ended up leaving it and doing other races, i need a setup where i can at least enjoy the races,i think Fuji is a tough track aswell cause of the blind corners. i will reply and let you's know how i got on.
Fairplay to you guys that are able to do this tuning, bravo.....

Thats the ticket...... at last i can do a lap without spinning out !!! I think i can do this now, thanks for the setup jorday.
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Thanks for your feedback. Try the second tune I posted if you have time. :)
 
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I used the tune on the top and it works perfect for me. Thank you for posting this. I was about to give up on the A-spec Formula races, but with this tune I have 3 gold medals so far. Cheers, Clark
 
jorday
Thanks for your feedback.
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Hi jorday, I'm starting FGT racing, and am impressed by the effort you are putting into developing your setup. My question is, what TCS figure are you using, and why?

Respectfully,
Dotini
 
Hey Jorday, I played around and tried starting another tune today from scratch. I have to say, I'm quite happy with it at the moment. Here's the tune if you want to give it a shot. I'm about to try your tunes next. :)


Aero: 70/90
Tran: 242mph
LSD: 15/30/20 (might adjust later)
Height: -10/-10 (Yes, I said that :))
Springs: 15.8/17.0
Ext: 6/8
Com: 5/7
Anti-Roll: 4/6
Camber: -2.5/-1.5
Toe: -0.15/0.00
Brakes 5/2
Tires: Racing Soft


BTW, my car was also in need of an oil change, and was only running at 891hp.


On the full Nurburgring I pulled these two times:
1st Lap: 6:26:438 (with 2 mini-crashes)
2nd Lap: 6:18:906 (very solid driving)


The car handled the track superbly, IMO. I think the really low ride height with stiffer spring rates really makes a difference. I'll test it on some other styles of tracks and make a further analysis.


cheers
 
clarkdeal
I used the tune on the top and it works perfect for me. Thank you for posting this. I was about to give up on the A-spec Formula races, but with this tune I have 3 gold medals so far. Cheers, Clark
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Hey,
I'm glad the tune worked well for you. Also, thanks for coming back and posting your feedback. Sometimes, it's easier to figure out what needs to change on the tune if we all put our heads together. :)
Dotini
Hi jorday, I'm starting FGT racing, and am impressed by the effort you are putting into developing your setup. My question is, what TCS figure are you using, and why?

Respectfully,
Dotini
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I think I may still be using the default setting or maybe 3. I'll double check later. I have driving aids off, but I actually don't consider TCS to be an "aid" like the other things are because these days a real formula one car would have traction control.
 
K, so I used your 2nd settings pulled these numbers:


6:24:222 (spun out twice)
6:08:522 (figured out a better approach to the 1st straightaway)

I switched to your LSD settings and now I'm in the 6' single digits range consistently 6'5" 6"6, etc.
 
looks like we posted at the exact time earlier. So you actually had better luck with the 2nd tune I put up in post #7 rather the the tune in post 1?




SS_1182
K, so I used your 2nd settings pulled these numbers:


6:24:222 (spun out twice)
6:08:522 (figured out a better approach to the 1st straightaway)

I switched to your LSD settings and now I'm in the 6' single digits range consistently 6'5" 6"6, etc.
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OK, im having trouble following here. which tune and diff settings are working?

Nurburgring is a tough track for this car. One of the most intense driving experiences you can do in this game.
 
jorday
looks like we posted at the exact time earlier. So you actually had better luck with the 2nd tune I put up in post #7 rather the the tune in post 1?






OK, im having trouble following here. which tune and diff settings are working?

Nurburgring is a tough track for this car. One of the most intense driving experiences you can do in this game.
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Okay, so the last 2 times I posted were with your post #7 tune. Then I took the LSD settings from that tune and I'm using them now in my new tune and pulling times under 6'10" regularly now on the full Nurburgring.


Also, just my 2¢... But I really don't think the times we're posting are accurate indicators of the tunes themselves. Tunes are about handling and car performance, which in theory will lead to better lap times on average. But driver error or lackthereof has a lot more to do with the times we're posting rather than our actual tunes.

With that said, I think your #7 tune gives the car a more "open" feel than my most recent tune. I think it accelerates a bit faster because the ride height is higher, but I think it's a bit looser overall. IMO, it's a great tune though!
 
SS_1182
Okay, so the last 2 times I posted were with your post #7 tune. Then I took the LSD settings from that tune and I'm using them now in my new tune and pulling times under 6'10" regularly now on the full Nurburgring.


Also, just my 2¢... But I really don't think the times we're posting are accurate indicators of the tunes themselves. Tunes are about handling and car performance, which in theory will lead to better lap times on average. But driver error or lackthereof has a lot more to do with the times we're posting rather than our actual tunes.

With that said, I think your #7 tune gives the car a more "open" feel than my most recent tune. I think it accelerates a bit faster because the ride height is higher, but I think it's a bit looser overall. IMO, it's a great tune though!
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Good points there. I try to turn a lot of laps in order to get a feel for each tune and I also use ghost videos to identify specific spots in the track where the car seems to do better or worse and that helps me decide what to try changing.

I'm curious what your thoughts on the first tune I posted vs the #7 tune. I actually made the #7 tune first, and some guys said they thought it still understeered too much. But with the tune from the first post in this thread I felt the understeer was all but gone. If you get a few minutes try testing them I'm really curious to see if you think the same. :)

I'll try your new settings asap, but I'm waiting for my turn in the tv right now lol.
 
Hello GT5 fans,
Welcome to another all night tuning session featuring your favorite car, the Formula Gran Turismo. :)

I've got a fresh pot of coffee and a full charge on the DS3 so lets get started...

There are starting to be a lot of tunes in this thread, so from this point forward I will now refer to them by post number.


I've been turning laps at fuji for the last 90 minutes and here some more thoughts.

First, I have finally decided that as far as my tunes go, tune #1 is superior to tune #7. With tune 7 there is a small amount of understeer present, but with tune 1 there is basically none i thought.

I completed about 30 laps using your tune #22, but with diff settings at 15/20/15. Then I made some runs with tune #1.

Most would consider these wheel alignment settings in #22 to be "less aggressive." Compared to tune #1, a small amount more understeer is present during hard acceleration. On some of the turns I have to wait just a little bit longer to get on the gas. Also, during ultra high speed turns, like the 180 turn on fuji, tune #1 seems to have more grip. I can make that turn at 165 mph with tune 1, but with tune #22 I ran off the track in that turn every time unless I reduced speed.

The advantage to #22 is that the car is somewhat easier to control, and it is more forgiving of driving mistakes especially at lower speeds when the down force is less pronounced. During the slower, extra tight, winding turns in the second half of the track, I was a little bit faster and way more consistent with tune #22. With tune #1, it is easy to upset the car in this section of the course which causes the back of the car to slide and then lose too much speed in the turns. I rarely put the car into a slide with tune 22.

Tune 22 is a good tune, but i agree with you the differential settings of 15/20/15 must be used or else the car has too much understeer.


On to nurburgring for testing
 
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jorday
Hello GT5 fans,
Welcome to another all night tuning session featuring your favorite car, the Formula Gran Turismo. :)

I've got a fresh pot of coffee and a full charge on the DS3 so lets get started...

There are starting to be a lot of tunes in this thread, so from this point forward I will now refer to them by post number.


I've been turning laps at fuji for the last 90 minutes and here some more thoughts.

First, I have finally decided that as far as my tunes go, tune #1 is superior to tune #7. With tune 7 there is a small amount of understeer present, but with tune 1 there is basically none i thought.

I completed about 30 laps using your tune #22, but with diff settings at 15/20/15. Then I made some runs with tune #1.

Most would consider these wheel alignment settings in #22 to be "less aggressive." Compared to tune #1, a small amount more understeer is present during hard acceleration. On some of the turns I have to wait just a little bit longer to get on the gas. Also, during ultra high speed turns, like the 180 turn on fuji, tune #1 seems to have more grip. I can make that turn at 165 mph with tune 1, but with tune #22 I ran off the track in that turn every time unless I reduced speed.

The advantage to #22 is that the car is somewhat easier to control, and it is more forgiving of driving mistakes especially at lower speeds when the down force is less pronounced. During the slower, extra tight, winding turns in the second half of the track, I was a little bit faster and way more consistent with tune #22. With tune #1, it is easy to upset the car in this section of the course which causes the back of the car to slide and then lose too much speed in the turns. I rarely put the car into a slide with tune 22.

Tune 22 is a good tune, but i agree with you the differential settings of 15/20/15 must be used or else the car has too much understeer.


On to nurburgring for testing
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Nice work, Jorday! Yeah, I went back and ran Nurburg with tune #22 and I agree that it's great at lower/med. speeds, but some of the faster turns I ended up totally losing it. I also think tune #1 has a bit of a faster rate of acceleration.
 

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