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olofrogmorton

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has anyone on this board tried to see how far you can get without spending money?

i am up to 39.5% and only have one race left that i know of that i can do (mission 34).

i have a detailed thread on the playstation boards of what all i have done and what cars i used to do it, and the number of A-spec points i got on each race. if anyone is interested i can copy it over here.

i just wanted to know if anyone has tried it over here.
 
I think the closest relative to this challenge on these forums would be the Scrooge Does GT4 series done my Mr. Slow - Click Here to see these five threads from my search. This makes a good example of the power of the Search function, too :)

DE
 
Dark Elite
I think the closest relative to this challenge on these forums would be the Scrooge Does GT4 series done my Mr. Slow - Click Here to see these five threads from my search. This makes a good example of the power of the Search function, too :)

DE
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i think i may have read Scrooge's stories before a long time ago. thanks for reminding me.

and i did do a search, but didn't find anything related to "spending no money".
 
amp88
I got to 40.2% without spending, but as Dark Elite says, Mr. Slow's threads are full of useful and detailed information on the subject.
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i was looking at the pic you linked to. you still had 5 prize cars you didn't get from the licenses--aren't a couple of those cars useful? i used the DOME ZERO '78 and the Nissan GRAN TURISMO SKYLINE GT-R '01. also, i already have 79 prize cars. if you take away the 5 license prize cars you didn't have, that's still 74. what did you do with those 5 cars and the ones you won after that? sell them? if so, what did you do with all the money? i have $10 million and you only have $6 million. what did you spend over $4 million on?

sorry just had a lot of questions after seeing that pic.

also, you did two thirds of yours in B-spec and i will have done mine in 100% A-spec.
 
olofrogmorton
i was looking at the pic you linked to. you still had 5 prize cars you didn't get from the licenses--aren't a couple of those cars useful?
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I looked through all the cars I had at the time and couldn't find any more that I could use for any of the remaining races.

olofrogmorton
i used the DOME ZERO '78 and the Nissan GRAN TURISMO SKYLINE GT-R '01. also, i already have 79 prize cars. if you take away the 5 license prize cars you didn't have, that's still 74. what did you do with those 5 cars and the ones you won after that? sell them? if so, what did you do with all the money?
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I never sold any of the cars I won from races or licenses. I don't understand what you mean about the number of cars...

olofrogmorton
i have $10 million and you only have $6 million. what did you spend over $4 million on?

sorry just had a lot of questions after seeing that pic.
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I never spent any money (which is why my total prize money + the 10,000 starting credits exactly equal my current balance at that time).

olofrogmorton
also, you did two thirds of yours in B-spec and i will have done mine in 100% A-spec.
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Yeah, I couldn't be bothered doing a lot of the races in A-Spec.
 
amp88
I never sold any of the cars I won from races or licenses. I don't understand what you mean about the number of cars...

I never spent any money (which is why my total prize money + the 10,000 starting credits exactly equal my current balance at that time).
you only show 69 prize cars, but you should have had 74 plus.
you should have won around $10million, but you only show $6million.
you didn't use the Dome Zero for the Japanese Compact Car Cup? if not, what did you use?

do you have a list or something showing what all you did? i just can't figure out how i have more cars and more money but fewer percentage points.
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olofrogmorton
you only show 69 prize cars, but you should have had 74 plus.
you should have won around $10million, but you only show $6million.
you didn't use the Dome Zero for the Japanese Compact Car Cup? if not, what did you use?

do you have a list or something showing what all you did? i just can't figure out how i have more cars and more money but fewer percentage points.
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I don't know why our prize money or the number of cars is different and I can't remember what I used for the Japanese Compact Car Cup. I did this challenge a long time ago and I never kept track of what I did.
 
It seems to me that both of you have taken slightly different paths - that is, done different races, hence the differences in total cash.
If this is the case, you both have more races to do! :P

However, it could easily be that one of you has repeated certain events :lol:

DE
 
I'm spending money on tyres, etc, but I haven't bought a car yet, and I'm up to 60.8% complete.

I still have the Hard level Chamonix, Ice Arena and Grand Canyon things to complete, plus all the 24-hour Endurance Races and a couple of other equally boring endurance races after that. Finished all the Missions and everything else I can enter.

So I think that you can get up to around 63% complete without having to buy any cars. Not sure how far I would have got without spending a cent (eg, not even snow tyres, etc). That just didn't seem like fun to me, driving too much of the time on crappy or at least totally unsuitable tyres.

I drive for pleasure, not pain!
 
Dark Elite
It seems to me that both of you have taken slightly different paths - that is, done different races, hence the differences in total cash.
If this is the case, you both have more races to do! :P

However, it could easily be that one of you has repeated certain events :lol:

DE
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yeah i thought about the different path thing, but that wouldn't explain the % and # of cars difference at the same time. it would only explain one or the other, not both.

does repeating events let you win another car? i don't think it does, does it? either way, i know it doesn't change your %, so really that won't work as an explanation either. i just can't figure it out.

Ozmac
I'm spending money on tyres, etc, but I haven't bought a car yet, and I'm up to 60.8% complete.

I still have the Hard level Chamonix, Ice Arena and Grand Canyon things to complete, plus all the 24-hour Endurance Races and a couple of other equally boring endurance races after that. Finished all the Missions and everything else I can enter.

So I think that you can get up to around 63% complete without having to buy any cars. Not sure how far I would have got without spending a cent (eg, not even snow tyres, etc). That just didn't seem like fun to me, driving too much of the time on crappy or at least totally unsuitable tyres.

I drive for pleasure, not pain!
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yeah, when i get done doing this, the first thing i will do is get any free tires i can, then spend as little money as i can after that.
 
olofrogmorton
does repeating events let you win another car? i don't think it does, does it? either way, i know it doesn't change your %, so really that won't work as an explanation either. i just can't figure it out.
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yes, you can win multiple cars. when you go to play a race or series of races again, it asks if you want to clear records of winning it. if you select yes, then when you win the race or series of races you gain an identical make of the prize car, with the possible exception of winning a different color.
 
Ozmac
I'm spending money on tyres, etc, but I haven't bought a car yet, and I'm up to 60.8% complete.

I still have the Hard level Chamonix, Ice Arena and Grand Canyon things to complete, plus all the 24-hour Endurance Races and a couple of other equally boring endurance races after that. Finished all the Missions and everything else I can enter.

So I think that you can get up to around 63% complete without having to buy any cars. Not sure how far I would have got without spending a cent (eg, not even snow tyres, etc). That just didn't seem like fun to me, driving too much of the time on crappy or at least totally unsuitable tyres.

I drive for pleasure, not pain!
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62.9% to be precise. I just completed the path last night.

As far as spending no money I think it has a lot to do with one's skill driving completely unmodified prize cars. [Mr. Slow's Scrooge, for instance, wouldn't even spring for a 50 Cr. oil change as part of his challenge rules.] At my moderate skill level I got to 41.4% before I caved in and bought a set of dirt tires (23,000 Cr) for my Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car for the rally events. I probably could have eked out a few more percentage points if I was very good (or patient) driving underpowered cars against much more powerful opposition.

In my experience there comes a time when the 'spend no money' approach is in direct opposition to the 'buy no cars' approach. For instance, the '54 Corvette Convertible (C1) is a very versatile car that can be used to win at least a half-dozen different series in modified form (like a better gearbox), most especially the Beginner Events 'Spider & Roadster’ series, but probably not in unmodified form (except by a Playstation Fangio or M. Schumacher). In his Part V retrospective, Mr. Slow noted several instances where Scrooge could have gotten away with spending less credits if he had waited to use one of the heavily modified (read expensive) cars that were unavoidable for some of the game’s later challenges for earlier ones; for instance, using a tricked-out Opel Speedster to win the ‘Schwarzwald Liga A’ series. However, this would have run contrary to Scrooge's secondary goal of reaching the highest possible percentage completion without buying a car.

Personally, I’ve noted circumstances in the game where it’s cheaper in the long run to buy an appropriate used car than modify a ‘free’ prize car for the appointed task. This is obvious in situations like buying a used ’96 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (C4) for 16,064 Cr. for the ‘Vette! Vette! Vette!’ one-make series but not so obvious in others. For example, it is cheaper to buy a brand-new ’01 Volkswagen Lupo GTi car and make the necessary modifications than it is to modify the free ’02 Volkswagen Lupo 1.4 prize car for some events and then have to buy an additional VW GTi model just for the GTi challenge.
 
Hey kit_fisto you've just done me one big favour! :)

You see, I was keen to find out exactly how far you can go without buying any cars, but I am not remotely keen on doing those stupid Grand Canyon and Ice Races, and the 24-hour races don't exactly thrill me, either. Now I don't have to do them! Thanks for suffering on my behalf.

So, now that I know it's 62.9% (promise?) I might switch over to the more enjoyable Plan B, which is finding out the minimum number of cars needed to complete GT4. 👍
 
Ozmac
Hey kit_fisto you've just done me one big favour! :)

You see, I was keen to find out exactly how far you can go without buying any cars, but I am not remotely keen on doing those stupid Grand Canyon and Ice Races, and the 24-hour races don't exactly thrill me, either. Now I don't have to do them! Thanks for suffering on my behalf.

So, now that I know it's 62.9% (promise?) I might switch over to the more enjoyable Plan B, which is finding out the minimum number of cars needed to complete GT4. 👍
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You’re welcome and I promise, it’s 62.9%. :)

I’ll know in a day or so but it also looks like one can reach 75% game completion with the purchase of only one vehicle – a sport truck – or, at most, two (a Mazda MX-5 Miata would be a good choice IMO).

I like your Plan B challenge and I’m pretty sure I know the answer. However, I don’t want to spoil your fun so I’ll refrain from posting the answer unless you desire it.

Also, you might want to add an additional challenge to your Plan B, namely discovering the minimum number of cars needed to complete GT4 for the least amount of credits. For this you would need to compare the statistics of the various used cars eligible for the one-make races to find the cheapest, most competitive car and then purchase it for its lowest price (as the asking prices can vary a lot from week to week).

At the moment I know of only three instances where buying a new car would cost fewer credits in the long run than buying a good used car (assuming an eligible one is available): (1) the aforementioned 2001 Volkswagen Lupo GTi @ 24,160 Cr; (2) a 2003 Peugeot 206 RC @ 29,090 Cr; and (3) a 2003 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe @ 164,470 Cr.

With regard to (2), Mr. Slow noted in his Scrooge retrospective that it is tempting to buy a used Peugeot 206 S16 for less than half the cost of a new Peugeot 206 RC but more expensive in the long run given the performance mods needed for it to win the 206 Cup events.
 
I can now definitely state that one can reach 76.0% game completion with only the purchase of a sport truck in order to finish the Beginner Events hall.

I chose the 2004 Toyota Tacoma X-Runner as my truck. At a weight/power ratio of 6.89 it was the second most powerful truck available for purchase(next to the 2003 Ford SVT F-150 Lightning at 5.63 kg/hp). Its 24,520 Cr price, however, was 10,530 Cr cheaper than the Ford, which allowed for several mods that made it easy to beat all the trucks (including the 2002 Chevrolet Silverado SST Concept) in the truck series and still cost less than any other truck. Unless one wants to rack up easy 200-point A-spec races with the notorious Dodge Ram 1500 Laramie Hemi Quad Cab, the Tacoma looks like the best sport truck buy.
 
Well I'm doing something similar to this where if I spend any money then I earn it back to the exact amount

(e.g. 13,00 cr. on a Supercharger. I win a Medium Special Conditions race and a Clubman Cup race.)

I'm actually doing this so that I can work out the total GT4 prize pool of money.

I got to about 27% when I started using money lol.
 

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