Brake theory

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i never thought about this before but i tried it out and it seems to work for me. set the brakes more to the front then the back and it makes the weight transfer to the front more and i find it better then say a 19,24 i use a 19,12 can someone else try it out and let me know what they think?
 
Well personally my drift instructor taught me to always have the breaks balance towards the front so incase you mess up, you can stop, and it applies to GT3 as well, but yeah I noticed that if I want a little more slippage I can crunch my front brakes and lock my front tires to just like sideways, and if I need to transfer some weight it works a heck of a lot better than balancing towards the rear.

Personally I don't get why people balance their brakes towards the rear anyway, I mean, if I want to lock my rear tires then I'll use my E-Brake. That's jut my opinion tho.


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Shadow Drifter
 
i totally agree i used to have a really strong rear brake but now it's more fun to have the rear with less brake and i find i don't slow down as much either
 
Originally posted by Shadow Drifter
Well personally my drift instructor taught me to always have the breaks balance towards the front so incase you mess up, you can stop, and it applies to GT3 as well, but yeah I noticed that if I want a little more slippage I can crunch my front brakes and lock my front tires to just like sideways, and if I need to transfer some weight it works a heck of a lot better than balancing towards the rear.

Personally I don't get why people balance their brakes towards the rear anyway, I mean, if I want to lock my rear tires then I'll use my E-Brake. That's jut my opinion tho.


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Shadow Drifter

I agree.

I started out balancing my brakes towards the rear, then balancing them even, then setting them both to 24(because I use a wheel and can controll the pressure applied to them), and now I've just tried THIS Front Balance method. I find it pretty usefull to balance it to the front, like Shadow said, it helps you stop in case you mess up, and for those biting on using the ebrake, think about it, if you are balancing your brakes towards the rear, its the same effect as stepping on the brake and using ebrake together to simulate the balancing of the brakes towards the rear.... this method really gives the drive more control over brake balance.
 
Originally posted by BreakerOhio
I agree.

I started out balancing my brakes towards the rear, then balancing them even, then setting them both to 24(because I use a wheel and can controll the pressure applied to them), and now I've just tried THIS Front Balance method. I find it pretty usefull to balance it to the front, like Shadow said, it helps you stop in case you mess up, and for those biting on using the ebrake, think about it, if you are balancing your brakes towards the rear, its the same effect as stepping on the brake and using ebrake together to simulate the balancing of the brakes towards the rear.... this method really gives the drive more control over brake balance.


My point exactly. Thank you Breaker, you summed it up perfectly.



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Shadow Drifter
 
No Problem... I'm glad your brought it up.

It helps me justify my prolonged arguement about the ebrake. I see this all the time, "you used the ebrake", "I don't have to use it when I drift" blah blah blah.

I think it comes from Tukumi in Initia D, he doesn't use it. But he is not exhibition drifting is he???

IF ebrake = increase in rear braking
AND
IF balancing the rear = increase in rear braking

THEN (Balanced brakes) + ebrake = balancing the rear

QAD

We are all accomplishing the same thing...gettting our drift angle...each setup requires its own way of controlling your angle. So this might help those wondering, "why do I need ebrake, should I use it or not?"
(In general)You use it based on the situation you are in.
1. Exhibition
2. Brake balance
3. HP + tire setup

Good drifters can drift with or without it. We just have to set up our cars for the style we want.
 
Setting the brakes 14/24 (for example) gives you oversteering while braking in the entrance of low-speed corners.
 
Originally posted by Sheron
Setting the brakes 14/24 (for example) gives you oversteering while braking in the entrance of low-speed corners.

agree.
I think thats the reason why many people use it that way. Have you considering trying braking and ebrake simulaniously to simulate the same effect?
 
Setting the brakes 14/24 (for example) gives you oversteering while braking in the entrance of low-speed corners.

I can enter corners at low speeds just fine without freakishly offbalanced brakes and ebrake.
 
No I haven't. But once long ago I setted the brakes 24/14 just to see the difference and I noticed the fact of shifting the weight, and I also noticed that was the like real. I haven't drifted in real live (I haven't got a car), but I could sense that was like real. But I enjoy more with the brake balance in 14/24 or 8/24. I always mix feint with brakinig in corners' entrances.
 
I always use 9/19 brake balance, always... I just like it that way. But then I have my pedals calibrated so that when the brake pedal is all the way depressed its only just over half of full braking, this give me ALOT of control in the lower braking powers, allowing me to do braking entries more precisely and easily, and seeing as how I tend to do brake entries more than anything else when going from a high speed straight to a sharp corner, I'd say that turns out great. I like it because it helps me break the rear end loose easier, if you set the brakes toward the front, it actually counter-acts the instability of the car, but eh, I'm just backwards I guess.

As for the weight transfer of the car, my car weight transfers just fine, and while this effect is amplified by shifting the brake power to the front of the car (sort of like only applying front brake on a bicycle at high speeds, you got flying over the handle-bars), I've found that by shifting the braking power to the rear, I can still achieve this effect, while keeping my brakes so that they help balance the car, this helps ALOT in inertia drifting, and I intertia drift and link ALOT, and alot of corners require some braking in-between. I cant link with the brakes toward the front because they balance the car out and cause under-steer, ruining my momentum,angle, and slide.

As for the e-brake argument, imo, ebrake is just another method of drifting, its a way of setting up for the corner, and usually earlier and with a great angle to the corner, its usually used in showy exhibition drifting, nothign wrong with it at all, I dont use it that way, but I do use it to extend the line of my drift if I get into a drift too soon and need to extend my line a bit to get back on track.
 
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A little off topic, but still on topic at the same time:


If you watch the D1 drifters on the Option videos you will see that they almost always use the ebrake to initiate and increase drift angle. Just an arguement that I always like to throw in there.





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Shadow Drifter
 
Originally posted by Shadow Drifter
A little off topic, but still on topic at the same time:


If you watch the D1 drifters on the Option videos you will see that they almost always use the ebrake to initiate and increase drift angle. Just an arguement that I always like to throw in there.





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Shadow Drifter

Agree. And the reason is they are Exhibition drifting. Ebrake lets you initiate and maintain very aggressive angles. Like I said before, if you want to imitate Takumi from Initial D, then understand that he isn't exhibition drifting, he is race drifting and so he doesn't pull the ebrake because it would slow him down. In real life, profressional Drifters use ebrake because they want that aggressive angle.
 
I see all of ya'lls points... but I still go with what Bryan C. says more then anyone else... I personally don't care what the D1 guys do (I will when I get my 240 coupe)... I have my own 'style' and settings, although SilviaDrifter did help me with some... but not all.
 
E-brake is used to initiate a drift in a fast and precise movement. In other words, it 'looks cooler' and that's why the D1 guys do it. If drifting were judged by skill, not show, then everybody would be brake drifting and accel-off drifting (I think Keiichi calls it 'dynamic drifting').

Anyway, to get back on topic, there is of course no best brake balance. I usually don't get this detailed about my personal techniques for tuning since I consider it to be somewhat of my advantage, but I think there is a lot of confusion about this one. The most important thing to remember is that changing the balance between front and rear does not affect braking power or front/rear weight transfer. The tires will always have the same amount of traction to slow you down or speed you up. As far as weight transfer, no matter where the braking is done, it is only the act of slowing your forward motion that transfers weight forward. So with that in mind, the only reason for altering brake balance is to make use of your own methods for transferring weight among the tires. For example, if you find that while countersteering and using brake drift, you are understeering at the corner enterance, you might try increasing braking in the front and/or reducing it in the rear. With these changes, using the brakes will induce oversteer even before weight is transferred to the front. This is because you are reducing the outward speed of the front tires while hardly affecting the speed of the rear tires. Also note that as a result, the front tires will heat up more, and the car will understeer slightly at the exit. On the other hand, if you are having understeer problems using simpler techniques such as feint or powerslide, but don't want to use the e-brake, putting stronger brakes in the rear can help you oversteer at the exit of the corner. The down-side is that you must be careful braking mid-corner because the brakes are essentially behaving more like an e-brake at this point. Surely you can see that the brake balance, suspension tuning, and even your driving style are all linked together, and there is no best setting.
 
Originally posted by pergatory
... I usually don't get this detailed about my personal techniques for tuning since I consider it to be somewhat of my advantage...

:lol:

At any rate, I don't understand why people make such a big fuss over drifting in competition form like, "I'm better than you," sort of thing. It makes no sense.

I was thinking 'yeah I wanna battle exhaust_note so I can tell everyone I'm better at drifting than him', but now I don't really care because my concept of driving and drifting has risen beyond that, to the point where I only do it to be better than myself... if you guys see what I mean.

Sometimes it's better to be alone.

Sorry... OT again...
 
Originally posted by Street Fighter
:lol:

At any rate, I don't understand why people make such a big fuss over drifting in competition form like, "I'm better than you," sort of thing. It makes no sense.

I was thinking 'yeah I wanna battle exhaust_note so I can tell everyone I'm better at drifting than him', but now I don't really care because my concept of driving and drifting has risen beyond that, to the point where I only do it to be better than myself... if you guys see what I mean.

Sometimes it's better to be alone.

Sorry... OT again...

Sorry if I came off as condescending or anything, those who know me know that I'm not here to impress anyone. Anyone who's watched my videos knows that I e-brake, so I wasn't hating. Actually, I meant to take that specific statement that you quoted out of my post, because I had also removed the part where I described my personal preference for brake balancing (the post got too long, as is this one). I'd edit it, but it's already been quoted so that would just be confusing. I enjoy discussing these things because it forces me think of them from many perspectives in order to find words. Even writing a complicated post I will sometimes learn something. I believe most of the serious posters here are here for the same reason.
 
I barely understand the theory of consistantly side braking to initiate drift.

Personally, I don't like how when you let go of the side brake and accel, the car kind of jumps into the drift, so I learned ways other than e-braking.

In my books, side braking is for front fronts or for people who struggle with braking or feinting, so I only use it to lock direction and slide 'til correction, say if I entered a drift too soon.

I'm not 'hating'. I just wish competition was based on skill, not style.
 
Originally posted by Street Fighter
I barely understand the theory of consistantly side braking to initiate drift.

Personally, I don't like how when you let go of the side brake and accel, the car kind of jumps into the drift, so I learned ways other than e-braking.

In my books, side braking is for front fronts or for people who struggle with braking or feinting, so I only use it to lock direction and slide 'til correction, say if I entered a drift too soon. Like a backspace button.

I'm not 'hating'. I just wish competition was based on skill, not style.

Gah what have I done?!
Tried to edit...
Stupid button placement.
 
Originally posted by Bryan C.
I always use 9/19 brake balance, always... I just like it that way. But then I have my pedals calibrated so that when the brake pedal is all the way depressed its only just over half of full braking, this give me ALOT of control in the lower braking powers, allowing me to do braking entries more precisely and easily, and seeing as how I tend to do brake entries more than anything else when going from a high speed straight to a sharp corner, I'd say that turns out great. I like it because it helps me break the rear end loose easier, if you set the brakes toward the front, it actually counter-acts the instability of the car, but eh, I'm just backwards I guess.

As for the weight transfer of the car, my car weight transfers just fine, and while this effect is amplified by shifting the brake power to the front of the car (sort of like only applying front brake on a bicycle at high speeds, you got flying over the handle-bars), I've found that by shifting the braking power to the rear, I can still achieve this effect, while keeping my brakes so that they help balance the car, this helps ALOT in inertia drifting, and I intertia drift and link ALOT, and alot of corners require some braking in-between. I cant link with the brakes toward the front because they balance the car out and cause under-steer, ruining my momentum,angle, and slide.

As for the e-brake argument, imo, ebrake is just another method of drifting, its a way of setting up for the corner, and usually earlier and with a great angle to the corner, its usually used in showy exhibition drifting, nothign wrong with it at all, I dont use it that way, but I do use it to extend the line of my drift if I get into a drift too soon and need to extend my line a bit to get back on track.
I agree, I use my brakes sometimes to slow down my drift (without destroying my angle), or throw the rear out more when I'm linking turns. However, I will try this braking method again, as it has been a while since I last tried it. I like to keep an open mind. Although I am pretty comfortable with my current setup.;)
 
Originally posted by pergatory
I enjoy discussing these things because it forces me think of them from many perspectives in order to find words. Even writing a complicated post I will sometimes learn something. I believe most of the serious posters here are here for the same reason.
Word.

I use the e-brake on courses like Cote', and SSR11 (sometimes), but I don't often find it useful otherwise. I use a brake balance of 13/24 almost exclusively, and it works great. I have linked some of the most dificult corner combinations in the game, with 240hp cars.;)
 
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