GTP_WRS Week 159: Official Results

[Vaxen]

:: GTP_Weekly Race Series ::

Week 159 (Official): PASM's PAStime
Results

Time Trial in Arcade Mode

Jaguar XJR-9 '88

Fuji Speedway F
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Steward's Comments:

Good job everyone!

Cheers,

OLR Team.


Important notices:
This thread will be listed as "Provisional" and will become "Official" once all posted replays have been verified.
Disqualification isn't taken lightly within the WRS.
Drivers who do not have a submitted lap posted in the results are not to post any information related to a laptime they might have achieved in the results thread. Any such posts will have the times removed.



Division 1:

1---1'22.759---GTP_DTM (Verified)

2---1'22.921---CRT_Apex (Verified)

3---1'22.963---Mysteron71 (Verified)

4---1'23.019---GTP_RikWrx
5---1'23.154---Pokey2301
6---1'23.271---msgt-sd
7---1'23.399---Vitessekid
8---1'23.408-R-MikeleMei (Verified)

9---1'24.889---BenMillard

Division 2:

1---1'23.742---danbojte (Verified)

2---1'23.792---amcdo122 (Verified)

3---1'23.913---dragonwhisky (Verified)

4---1'24.150---Napalm_LT
5---1'24.971---Deux_Milles
6---1'25.816---stanclewes
7---1'26.405---nolucktoday
8---1'26.455---thematic604

Overall Results:


>> Division 1: Par: 1'22.715 Gold: 1'23.133 Silver: 1'23.598 Bronze: 1'24.110
1---1'22.759---GTP_DTM r=1.035 (d1/-0.230)
2---1'22.921---CRT_Apex r=1.164 (d1/0.091)
3---1'22.963---Mysteron71 r=1.198 (d1/0.071)
4---1'23.019---GTP_RikWrx r=1.242 (d1/-0.197)
5---1'23.154---Pokey2301 r=1.348 (d1/-0.288)
6---1'23.271---msgt-sd r=1.432 (d1/0.168)
7---1'23.399---Vitessekid r=1.524 (d1/0.214)
8---1'23.408-R-MikeleMei r=1.530 (d1/0.075)
9---1'23.742---danbojte r=1.760 (d1/-0.314)
10--1'23.792---amcdo122 r=1.793 (d1/-0.572)
11--1'23.913---dragonwhisky r=1.872 (d1/-0.246)

>> Division 2: Par: 1'24.111 Gold: 1'24.738 Silver: 1'25.436 Bronze: 1'26.204
12--1'24.150---Napalm_LT r=2.021 (d2/-0.031)
13--1'24.889---BenMillard r=2.405 (d2/0.482)
14--1'24.971---Deux_Milles r=2.445 (d2/0.085)
15--1'25.816---stanclewes r=2.832 (d2/0.076)

>> Division 3: Par: 1'26.205 Gold: 1'27.042 Silver: 1'27.972 Bronze: 1'28.995
16--1'26.405---nolucktoday r=3.080 (d3/0.508)
17--1'26.455---thematic604 r=3.100 (d3/0.875)

Handicapped Results:

1---1'24.804---(-0.57248)---amcdo122
2---1'25.814---(-0.31394)---danbojte
3---1'25.915---(-0.28817)---Pokey2301
4---1'26.079---(-0.24622)---dragonwhisky
5---1'26.143---(-0.22975)---GTP_DTM
6---1'26.273---(-0.19656)---GTP_RikWrx
7---1'26.922---(-0.03054)---Napalm_LT
8---1'27.318---(0.07073)---Mysteron71
9---1'27.340---(0.07647)---stanclewes
10--1'27.375---(0.08537)---Deux_Milles
11--1'27.396---(0.09057)---CRT_Apex
12--1'27.697---(0.16773)---msgt-sd
13--1'27.879---(0.21429)---Vitessekid
14--1'28.924---(0.48167)---BenMillard
15--1'29.027---(0.50799)---nolucktoday
16--1'30.463---(0.87541)---thematic604


(Settings: Weight = 1.000 Squeeze = 3.798 Scoot = 0.147)

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2. Once you have checked the replay, post in this thread to say that you have checked it and whether it's clean, dirty or doesn't meet the required race specifications
3. When verifying a replay, check against this weeks race specification, check that the tyres are the correct compound and that the power and weight is correct for example
4. If you are unsure about a replay, always seek a second opinion before posting

 

[Thematic]

CRT_Apex:

hs = hidden sector(s) in seconds

GTP_DTM       hs 39,481 
CRT_Apex      hs 39,500 
Mysteron71    hs 39,632 
GTP_RikWrx    hs 39,622 
Pokey2301     hs 39,487 
msgt-sd       hs 39,683 
Vitessekid    hs 39,637 
MikeleMei     hs 39,795 
danbojte      hs 39,947 
amcdo122      hs 40,121 
dragonwhisky  hs 40,187 
Napalm_LT     hs 40,400 
BenMillard    hs 40,589 
Deux_Milles   hs 40,754 
stanclewes    hs 41,076 
nolucktoday   hs 41,091 
thematic604   hs 41,401

 

[steven]

There is a typo in the title of the thread "119".
Well done all 👍

 

[Gravitron]

There is a typo in the title of the thread "119".
Well done all 👍

Fixed, thank you.

@DTM Dennis you're a menace on Fuji! Looks very close right behind you.

Congrats all who tamed the big cat.

 

[Napalm_LT]

unbelievable, lost more than second in S3. Didn't think my last sector was so bad . Actually I don't know what I do wrong there Cant wait evening to check replays.
Well done @danbojte, yours S3 was awesome again. Congrats to all, who did that combo, but seams Mustang won't be easier

 

[Rikson]

GTP_DTM

Mysteron71

MikeleMei

danbojte

amcdo122

dragonwhisky

Congratulations to all podium finishers and @DTM for the overall win.
Nice lap,it was my theoretical fastest possible.
As allways T3 makes the difference at this track,and it wasn't easy to keep this beast in the right line.
Good job all

 

[danbojte]

Well done @danbojte

Thank you, Arturas. It's very kind from you. 👍

 

[DTM]

Fixed, thank you.

@DTM Dennis you're a menace on Fuji! Looks very close right behind you.

Congrats all who tamed the big cat.

You know my name

Thanks mate

GTP_DTM

Mysteron71

MikeleMei

danbojte

amcdo122

dragonwhisky

Congratulations to all podium finishers and @DTM for the overall win.
Nice lap,it was my theoretical fastest possible.
As allways T3 makes the difference at this track,and it wasn't easy to keep this beast in the right line.
Good job all

Thanks mate


Damn i had a feeling my last sector was good but you never know at Fuji. Had that feeling before in previous Fuji time trails

Congrats to all podiums and those who achieved their goals. It was a very difficult animal to tame

 

[msgt-sd]

Thanks to @Rikson and @Thematic for checking the replays.


So, I've been saving my replays from the last couple of banzai runs I've done to see how I improve over the session. Here's the data from this week:

I exported the replay data to the MoTec program and used the data from there to make the plot. One problem with that is that the MoTec times appear to be off by 0-0.02 secs each lap compared to the in-game times. That's not good for a precise analysis, but it's good enough to get a general view of the session.

Since I knew I wanted to eventually look at the data, I've been doing these runs straight with no restarting. That's taken a little adjustment since I'm used to restarting occasionally. As a result, I've been a little more careful not to crash.

One thing I've noticed is that I'm usually able to get within about 1% of my overall best lap (from the banzai run) by about lap 15. After that, the gains are pretty minimal; however, I usually get more consistent. Also, as you would expect, the more "difficult" the combo, the more the lap times vary.

I've seen a number of people say they do best when they run multiple, shorter sessions versus fewer, longer sessions. That sounds right to me. I'm guessing the sweet spot for those shorter sessions is around 20-30 mins. I'm curious to see what my improvement and consistency looks like over multiple sessions like that. I plan to test that out eventually too.

 

[Thematic]

@msgt-sd There's a lot of raw (and available) data about which lap number was submitted to (GT6) WRS by now; it might not be too difficult to collect and parse it automatically. Maybe a track comparison would make sense. Other things would probably need more specifics, or just as you did now, pertain to a single event.

 

[Rikson]

One thing I've noticed is that I'm usually able to get within about 1% of my overall best lap (from the banzai run) by about lap 15.

I've seen a number of people say they do best when they run multiple, shorter sessions versus fewer, longer sessions. That sounds right to me. I'm guessing the sweet spot for those shorter sessions is around 20-30 mins.

Yes same here.Multiple short sessions works best for me.If there''s no improvement within half an hour,I quit.
Useless to drive any longer,making more mistakes and laptimes will be slower.
Could be a concentration thing also. ..

 

[Napalm_LT]

you are lucky, guys. I can only "warm up" after 30-60 min. Only few times at all I improved my time within this time.

 

[Thematic]

I can only "warm up" after 30-60 min. Only few times at all I improved my time within this time.

I think I have it similar, after the first hour or few into the whole thing. Admittedly I don't always get that far.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

5 Sessions, 20 laps a session, over 4 days. Data plugged into @msgt-sd 's graph plotter tool thingy.

Good example of diminishing returns over time spent.

 

[EDK]

5 Sessions, 20 laps a session, over 4 days. Data plugged into @msgt-sd 's graph plotter tool thingy.

Good example of diminishing returns over time spent.

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Are you guys in the habit of saving your full session replay?

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Are you guys in the habit of saving your full session replay?

Yup. I have a spreadsheet with every split from every TT I ever did. In WRS anyway.

 

[GTP_randy]

Are you guys in the habit of saving your full session replay?

Nope. Never.

A long time ago I saved the full replay instead of my best lap on monday morning,fetchy didn't like it. Had to submit a slower lap. So now I avoid that button like the plague.

 

[EDK]

Nope. Never.

A long time ago I saved the full replay instead of my best lap on monday morning,fetchy didn't like it. Had to submit a slower lap. So now I avoid that button like the plague.

Yep, same here.

Only time I save it is if I have some magic sector without setting fast lap. I like to go back and see what the hell I did.

Yup. I have a spreadsheet with every split from every TT I ever did. In WRS anyway.

That's some dedication. I could not do that anymore. I don't follow my own advice of just finishing laps when late in a combo. I reset after a bad T1 or a crash.

Would be cool if the game logged the data for you, without replay. I could deal with some CSV export, I have fun with that in RL racing.

 

[EDK]

On another note, it would be cool to make a quadrant plot graph with time into session on one plot and lap time on the other.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Yep, same here.

Only time I save it is if I have some magic sector without setting fast lap. I like to go back and see what the hell I did.


That's some dedication. I could not do that anymore. I don't follow my own advice of just finishing laps when late in a combo. I reset after a bad T1 or a crash.

Would be cool if the game logged the data for you, without replay. I could deal with some CSV export, I have fun with that in RL racing.

While I can certainly appreciate the prevention of submitting a replay of an entire session instead of the best lap replay, since I started out saving both session and best lap, if there was one, my process includes it and it's second nature for me to export the best lap and not the session replay.

I don't think it's dedication so much as an OCD, anal retentive or whatever you want to call it, desire to collect data for comparison. I'm not concerned with how others are doing it, although knowing a sector time is possible helps realize it can be done, but I want to know when I've done a sector better and keep track of when it happened. For instance, doing laps after a long day is usually not conducive to improvement. I'm usually better when I'm "fresh" and not "wore down" from a day dealing with user's problems.

If I bail on a lap just because I pooched a turn I think it's hamstringing my learning process. It's been a long held axiom that a body learns more from failure than one does from success. At least if failure doesn't kill you or cause one to give up the effort entirely. I happen to agree with that.

One of the reasons I collect the data down to every sector, and don't restart is how will I know how fast I can be if I didn't and did. Again, I'm not really concerned how fast someone else is, mostly because there's always several that are faster, I want to know how I did it, good or bad. Recognizing when and where you did something poorly is the first step to doing it better. Screwing up a lap early is a perfect opportunity to relax and see where else you can do it better. I can't easily count how many times I've found time in later sectors after messing up an earlier one. Once I've identified that better way I remember how that looked and will try to develop that muscle memory so I can focus on other spots that I'm not doing well.

There's a moral thing involved too. Sorta goes like this, just because a couple things start to go wrong doesn't mean I should give up. A couple of mistakes doesn't necessarily spell disaster and may even have results that are enjoyable to one degree or another. I'm also fairly anal retentive about finishing something I start.

Some of you have might have done similar data collection have been at it so long now, the time spent collecting isn't worth the effort any longer. That's OK too. Collecting the data gives me something to do between smoke breaks.

 

[EDK]

I'm usually better when I'm "fresh" and not "wore down" from a day dealing with user's problems.

Me too, I usually use those other sessions to build muscle memory and form consistency. I also find that skipping a lot of days during the week means it will be longer before I am up to pace when I can run again. About 3 days is the most I can go between sessions if I want to be competitive at the end of the week.

If I bail on a lap just because I pooched a turn I think it's hamstringing my learning process. It's been a long held axiom that a body learns more from failure than one does from success. At least if failure doesn't kill you or cause one to give up the effort entirely. I happen to agree with that.

To be clear, this is a later in the week thing for me. Early in the week, I only reset/start over in a couple instances. One is a big crash. Two is a big lap time improvement, because I'm OCD about saving clean banker laps. I don't want to overwrite a good lap with a sketchy one, and I also don't want to lose good splits in one area, in case I need to go back and look at the lap later.

There's also a drawback to this. The muscle memory thing is hard to overcome when you do the wrong thing repeatedly. Breaking a bad habit is even harder than developing a good one. I have faced this in many aspects of life. I played saxophone in high school growing up, I was a fairly accomplished player. If there was a technique I was using for a scale or passage, and I tried to learn a different way of doing it after doing it "wrong" for a long time, I had to just hammer at it repeatedly for 20 straight times or more, just to break the habit.

Also keep in mind that when I race in real life, there's no reset button. And stints are normally 90-120 minutes, so I am all about the forming of consistency and what you are saying here. It also plays out in our online races, those help me in RL racing from a standpoint of focus, concentration, and consistency.

Screwing up a lap early is a perfect opportunity to relax and see where else you can do it better. I can't easily count how many times I've found time in later sectors after messing up an earlier one. Once I've identified that better way I remember how that looked and will try to develop that muscle memory so I can focus on other spots that I'm not doing well.

I agree with this sentiment early in the week. Late in the week, I know how to "do it right", it's more a matter of hitting every mark in a lap. So when something goes horribly wrong early in the lap (which often only means being down a tenth or two), I reset. I don't want to "waste" those 1-2 minutes that could be spent getting a better lap.

There's a moral thing involved too. Sorta goes like this, just because a couple things start to go wrong doesn't mean I should give up. A couple of mistakes doesn't necessarily spell disaster and may even have results that are enjoyable to one degree or another. I'm also fairly anal retentive about finishing something I start.

For me, some of this comes back to being in the final session of the week, and knowing I have a finite amount of time before I will get to the point of diminishing returns. I also find that if I go several minutes without finishing a lap, I will inevitably screw up the last sector. So there's a balance. I just am not obsessive about running 20-40 lap sessions, my long on even this combo would probably be 10. And then I am either resetting or backing out to save a lap.

All of that to say, I think your approach is a very good one for consistency, learning, and improvement.

The only time I would advocate doing what I do in the last session or two is if you are at a point in which the only improvement you will find is stringing together sectors that you already know how to run. I do think it's effective in compressing the time it takes to get there.

And remember, I am silly and have been doing this for 10 years. So I have run the gauntlet of how to maximize your personal performance on a TT. There was a time when I could not get anywhere near competitive without running for at least 4 sessions of 1 hour, and to get into podium territory in D2, I might have to run double that time.

These days, I am finding my initial pace sooner, usually within 1-2 hours of running. And then I can get a lap representative of my handicap in another 1-2. That's a lot more than some guys are running, probably less than others. If I know the track really well, I can do with way less.

I think I ran the Citroen Xsara for 2 hours total. The Lancer for 4 or a bit more. I even had a couple weeks where I turned in a D1 time with one session of an hour, the R8 at Nurb comes to mind. There's no way I could have done that with a methodical approach, some shortcuts were needed.