Before my Inbox completely melts down, I will reluctantly share this news. A blog called “iGameReport” claims to have emailed Polyphony Digital SCEA in an attempt to clarify the notion that Gran Turismo 5’s “standard cars” will not have interior view. Here’s a portion of what they say Polyphony’s SCEA’s response contained:
“Standard cars do indeed have a cockpit/dashboard view, just not nearly as detailed as the premium cars. The existing cars are not just being copied; they are all being generated properly to create authentic experiences from car to car.”
Aside from the fact that such communication with a member of the public or the press would be an extraordinary event for secretive Polyphony Digital (considering that’s the job of the game’s publisher, Sony Computer Entertainment), that quote sounds a bit too familiar. The first sentence actually comes directly from GTPlanet’s own forums, and was posted here on June 21 by Guffaluff as he quoted an email that he received from an editor at Kotaku:
“What you write in the above segment indicates that the standard cars do indeed have a cockpit/dashboard view, just not nearly as detailed as the premium cars.”
Keep in mind that Kotaku is the only blog which came away with this impression after the Yamauchi’s private GT5 press meeting at E3 2010. It’s also the exact opposite to what Polyphony Digital has posted on their own Japanese website. With all due respect to Kotaku’s editors, I’m going to side with Polyphony Digital on this one.
I’d like all standard cars to have interior views as much as anyone else (though not nearly as much as I want a track editor and weather features), and I would be very happy to be wrong here. For now, though, I remain highly skeptical. To Curtis Green, the author of the blog post in question, I challenge you to prove that your email communication with Polyphony Digital was genuine by posting more information or by contacting me directly.
UPDATE: The original article has been changed, and the author now claims the email communication was with Sony Computer Entertainment America instead of Polyphony Digital…
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Dumba$$e$!!! As if they won’t have interior views in over 80%of the cars! They had interior view in GT4 so why couldn’t they do it in GT5?
I still think there has been a major fkup on the Jap and US sites as none of the other GT sites have it mentioned.
i just read on “igamereport” site & they say on there that the standard cars are from old gt games & in an old interview with kaz.
that previous gt games was about old cars such as muscle cars(as stated by kaz in the interview) & if thats the case,in one of video’s from e3 2010 was an in-car view of a muscle car racing other muscle cars so if thats true then thats a good suggestion that standard cars will have cockpit view
the interview is from sema 2009,to listen to it click on “grand turismo 5 weather,track editor,confirmed” on gtplanet.net,then click on “yamauchi responds to gt5 track editor rumors” & listen to the video he says about revival of old american cars i.e muscle cars,lets hope it helps although it’s not confirmation,that has to come from sony or pd
That would probably explain it. I wish the PS3 browser was better. It’s a pain using it for the most part. I sure hope you have a USB keyboard for it haha.
Back on topic: did you find the link? Or were you meaning that they deleted the page?
Well I use a PS3 browser a lot, that was probably the problem.. It does work with this site though.
The forums just don’t like you ;)
LOL this forum is wacked — I refreshed twice and my post was NOT there.. now it is. That’s happened before too.
HeY WTF where’d my post go. I had a link to the page where it said standard cars won’t have interior views and someone deleted it. Lame
to me i dont think there is a real point for wasting $100 on the collectors edition. you only get like a book, dvd, model car and 5 dlc cars. but if you reserve gt5 at gamestop you get mclaren f1 stealth and gamestop nascar. if i had the $100 for the game when it comes out i would buy the game and a $50 psn card for gt5 dlc. ive been playing gran turismo since it came out in 1998. i dont need a detailed book to tell me how the cars handle. i already know how most of the cars performance. the dodge viper will always have sucky braking and handling but good acceleration. i just dont see why i should waste $100 and buy the collectors edition.
(sorry for being off-topic…) Would anyone know the difference between the Logitech G25 and the G27? I can’t tell any difference…
(notasonyemployee)i’m not as young,so i remember the slow computers too lol(i.e amiga,atari st)i agree with a lot of what you say that its about money & marketing but if your competing to be the best then you need to try & give people what you think they want,to buy your game over the other games,considering a driver view has been in most driving games now,even on the ps1 & ps2 games had it(touring cars(ps1)& what became toca racer driver(ps2))even though the view was basic it was still there,with the power of the ps3 it should have the power to cope with it,people expect games to be real life but like you say & i agree it won’t get that far cos it’s just a game but to quote kaz on an early interview about weather he stated “he will only include weather if it would make a difference to the game play” which is fair enough but then he puts in extra tents & caravans for long weekend races,so where does that make a difference to game play its a driving game you won’t even notice that while driving,its is just a pointless gimmick & he even stated that he thinks he went to far but then he laughs at people wanting tyre marks on the track & grass(pointless maybe same as tents & caravans),i will still buy the game cos i love playing gt games,like yourself,i would love to have interior view cos its more of a challenge in my mind not sure if you think the same & maybe we’ll get to race at sometime you never know & i’m sure you’ll be a better driver lol,i’m impressed with games that are coming out on the ps3 & i like grand theft auto that game has come along way
*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.
http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html
I won’t be playing with the cockping view, so I don’t care 200 or 1000 or 0
i know what your saying but it was called a simulator cos of the handling of the cars but a true simulator is when you drive or fly something in the driver or pilots position & i do know that when gt4 was released magazines did bring up the question of it not being a simulator
Perhaps it’s because of what I grew up with, old software and old computers, that I have a low tolerance for what you can call a sim. Most sims, regardless of what you where simulating, tended to be lacking in areas just because the computing power wasn’t available. Pretty much everything hardware related had to evolve before computer games had a decent chance at complex arcade style physics, never mind a true simulation.
But I digress. We are now reaching a point where the hardware is good enough that we can enjoy pretty darn good physics, with computing power to spare, so software developers are spending more and more time on other things, like graphics, and adding side functions.
Furthermore, there are more developers competing for the market than ever before. So, as that translates, right now, we are in a time where game developers and sim developers are sometimes the same thing. Developers are now spending less time working on getting the car or plane to behave right in a sim, and spending more time trying to keep the end user entertained and buying their particular product. To do that, they are often willing to dump things that support the simulation in favor of eye candy and fun features.
Now, though it is a bit contradictory to my first line in this post, I will say, while GT has always been one of my favorites, I have always considered it more of a game than a simulation. 3d cockpits alone won’t change my mind on that.
My main reason for saying this is simple: If it where a true full blown simulation, it would have died out years ago for one reason over any other. Most of us on the planet wouldn’t be able to drive most of the cars at such high levels of performance, regardless of our personal oppinions of our own driving abilities. There is a reason 90% of us don’t have carreers in motor sports. We lack the abilities of professionals, most of us will never have them, and GT “the true TRUE driving simulator” would thus be “The Real Crashing Simulator”. lol
Secondary arguments, relate to the fact that variables such has AI lacks, enviroment lacks, even vehicle physics isn’t 100% true to life in past versions when it comes to things like roll-overs and such.
So while I do recognize it has a simulation when compared to something like Grand Theft auto, or Ridge Racer, I have my doubts that it will ever reach a full blown simulation status. I think in order to maintain profits and market share, it will always have toned down, “user friendly physics” and to me at least, always be at heart a game in that regards. Though a do admit they’ve made decent attempts at a more “professional” mode in the past.
Has for the magazines, I think GT, by it’s nature, makes it hard to define when you can or can’t call it a simulator. Or at least it does so in a way that will make everyone happy. Each one of us has a different set of criteria we look for to qualify it has a simulation over a game, and the discussion has always gone on in the background, and it probably always will.
well whether they have interior views or not i’ll still be getting it but i think personally it will have interior view in standard cars cos as i said before you can’t call it a simulator if only 200 cars have interior views for the simulated feel & maybe the tinted windows on cars are due to replays running at 30fps & the more detail will cause gerking so you minimize detail(just a thought)were as the game runs at 60fps
Unfortunately, I gotta disagree with the logic. None of the cars in the past 4, not including spinnoffs and demos, had interior views, yet the game has always been called a driving simulator. Indeed, they refer to it has “THE real driving simulator” in the past versions.
If it didn’t have any cars, then they couldn’t call it a driving simulator, hehe.
I don’t think there will be cockpit views on the “standard” cars because if u look at the standard car trailer it’s hard to see inside from the outside like in GT4 and like the Nissan GT-R Concept in GT5P.
lol, after a month, not mouth…
Ahh, ignore this. Hit the wrong reply button, and thought it didn’t post, so this is just a double…
from all the information I’ve read and the videos I’ve sene of standard cars, it looks very much like they will be blacked out window gran turismo 4 vehicles just in 720p with light paint damage added. I think of GT5 like this.. forget about the standards.. think of GT5 like GT3.. around 200 super detail cars and that is all the game has, 200 insanely detailed cars to enjoy, it would be better if they left these GT4 cars out, with them left in, people and critics will be picking on them.
Naw, I’d rather have the GT4 cars has well. People will complian either way, so I might has well still have my old favorites. Take those away, i’ll probably get board with so few GT5 cars (just like I did with GT3’s sparce collection), many of which I may only drive once if at all, and end up shelving the game after a mounth.
Heck, I still play GT1, GT2, and GT4, but I couldn’t tell you where my GT3 went to at this point.
lol, after a month, not mouth…
That’s ridiculous. Leave them out? Think of it this way; you’re getting Gran Turismo 4 HD with this game, completely free. I, personally, very much look forward to driving cars from past Gran Turismo titles. If reviewers complain, that’s their problem. As Forza 3 proved, enthusiastic reviews =/= popularity and quality.
really don’t care at all
If kotaku is right could it be that premium cars have 3D capable interiors while standard cars don’t?
even if the interior views are the same as in prologue in standard cars i’d be happy but like i said before i can’t imagine pd would leave interior views out of standard cars,it would be going backwards in the game world if they are not in it in my mind,some like bumper view others like interior view so i’m sure both will be in the game,i do hope sony does read comments on this site & give confirmation to clear this up once & for all,so why not all request an answer from pd or sony instead of one person saying they will be in the game & others saying they ain’t,obviously we all love playing the game & no matter what view we prefer we want the best game for all
sorry about the english…bahhhh
Jordan , have you been already contacted buy this IgameReport guy to clarify this situation ?
Thanks
Nope, nothing.
Jordan have u noticed they removed the standard car forum/or thread on the gt website…or is it just me that i cant find it?
Think about headtracking. Maybe only premium cars support headtracking so you can choose to look where you want when in cockpit view. Standard cars have fixed interior view. Perhaps no arms and hands. Clutching at straws but it’s not been suggested yet.
I don’t think PD would do that… It’d frustrate a lot of people to have head tracking with only certain cars, especially if you bought the cam just for the game. I’m pretty confident that we will at least have a plain looking interior if nothing else on the standard cars. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for customizable interiors though.
if theres cockpit view for all cars in gt psp… it will have cockpit view for all cars in gt5 ! I believe ! And Yamauchi always play in cockpit view too … !!
We need to stop this everytime we get a bit of good news about Gt5 we spend the next four weeks doubting the games producers and developers it will be a hard pill to swallow having such a difference in the standard of the cars but what choice do we to buy or not to buy simples let’s just enjoy the run up to the game we’ve all been waiting for
Jordan:
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO FALSIFY THE RECORD, JORDAN?
HE didnt claim he contacted Polyphony Digital, he said he contacted SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT OF AMERICA.
PAY ATTENTION.
It’s possible he just misread.
Sorry, Matthew, but he’s edited the original post. If you review the discussion over the article in our forums, you will see he clearly mentioned “PD” in place of “SCEA” in the original version. Here‘s a relevant segment of the original post which has been preserved.
Just caught this on Shacknews.com, maybe a glimmer of hope regarding the interior view of the 800 “standard” cars?
[QUOTE]One of the biggest differences is the intricately detailed full interiors of premium cars that go beyond the steering wheel and dashboard of standards.[/QUOTE]
So sounds like there is an interior view on the standard cars similar to Forza 3, just not a highly detailed FULL interior like the GT5 Premium cars which is fine by me.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/64481
That would be amazing.
Shaddup already! nobody cares about interiors, it’s all gimmickry that gets in the way of driving… “wow look at the finely detailed stitching on the seat of that Ferrari” gimmie a freakin break!
Ah your back again i see… and this time your comment is even more retarded than the last one. You come into a thread where the topic of discussion is standard interiors, and then try to tell everyone that the subject is irrelevant because YOU dont use cocpit view.
nobody cares about you, or your lame opinions, you are a total failure
I care
You are right tommygt
When the earliest flight simulators showed up on home computers (got my first FS on a Tandy TRS-80 in 1982), they gennerally didn’t have a proper cockpit view. Ussually it was either a flat 2d panel for your gauges, or the guages just “floated” at various points in your view. Very unrealistic, but this was needed do to constraints with early home computers.
Has computers got better, the cockpit views advanced thru various stages, towards the modern standard 3d views, where you can swivel your head and look around the cockpit, see working guages, and even operate various switches and controls with your mouse.
Has this progression occured, many sim pilots made the same “useless and gimicky” complaint, has they where used to the old ways, and progression required them to adapt to what was clearly a more realistic, but not nesecarily easier to use viewpoint.
Today, most people use the 3d view primarily, and a good add-on aircraft is assumed to have a good 3d cockpit has a requirment. It’s considered to be the best way to get close to the proper perception of being inside of and controlling the aircraft. Many swear by them to the point of declaring they won’t fly a plane that doesn’t have a proper cockpit. While 2d panels and floating guages are not entirely dead, the’ve become throwbacks to a more primitive time in flight sims.
In this we see the future of car sims, which over time will be seen more and more with 3d interiors has standard.
And much like flight sims, people will complain over the transition, but someday that will stop has people become used to 3d car interiors, and perhaps even dependant on them for a “proper” driving experience.
I was on the Japanese Gran Turismo web site and under standard cars, it says:
“スタンダードカー”はインテリア視点に対応していません。
I used Google Translate and it translates to:
“Standard Car” does not correspond to the interior view.
http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/news/d9358.html
Yup, the problem with google translator is that Japanees doesn’t translate to english without a large dose of expert human involvment and good judgment. In other words, google translate is about has capable of doing the job has my cats are. Mabey slightly less than the cats.
@NotaSonyEmployee:
If your job was Sony PR, my cat could do better.
LOL, if my job was Sony PR?
Probably anyones cat is better at it than sony has been in recent years, but I don’t see what Sony PR, or the hypothetical of it being my job for that matter, has anything to do with the dificulties in Japanees to english translation.
Course if it was my job, I’d be laughing all the way to the bank, regardless of of your cat’s abilities. Can you say, “insider access…”?
I put it by an old WWII history buff down the street from my grandfather’s house. He broke it down a bit better for us, though he admits it’s still not perfect…
“スタンダードカー” – “Standard car”
はインテリア視点に – The interior point of view
対応 – Support
していません。 – not.
His wife was Japanese, fluent in english and japanese both. She is unfortunately no longer with us, but he did learn quite a bit from her.
When given the whole web page to look at, he was of the opinion that the above simply ment that it didn’t have the same full interior view has the “premium” cars, but didn’t think it ment there wouldn’t be some kind of simpler dashboard view (forza like mabey). That’s why he thinks the words “correspond to” come up in other translations. Ie, the standard cars view does not correspond to the premium cars level of interior view.
Anyway, that’s what he thinks, but personally I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t even a dash view. Could go either way I guess. Just gotta wait and see…
I guess that since PD already has the “blacked out” interior outlines from gtpsp, all they need to do is fill them in.
why don’t they just shoot us a video of a standard car cockpit view … simple as that !
Agree. They probably don`t want any negative features to be shown before everyone preordered the game :)
There is no way that the standard cars will have interior..
just think about it,why would they use tinted windows then?
its the same models from gt4 and the same interior from gt4…
We saw tinted windows in the Camaro and then we saw them untinted in a video. Explain that.
Possibly custom window tint. Wouldn’t be the first, or even the second game to have that.
However, tinted windows doesn’t prove it one way or another as the interior view model may very well be entirely seperate from anything you see from an exterior view. That allows for better control of frame rates amongst other things.
what about races with both… im curious how they will manage the game with these std/prm
why would we stop that .. its the first time gran turismo divides the car collection into quality categries ! biggest bad move .. normal that we talk about it a bit
Thats the problem; the comment you just mentioned “biggest bad move”. Thats why I think people need to stop talking about this. Every since the E3 blowout everybody was so happy with the new trailer. But when standard/premium got brought up people is already panicking about this. The standard cars rumor is already spreading out there. You could talk about it but if PD don’t meet their sales goal i’m sure they’ll bring up this site. And Kaz already knows this site.
“our sales are bad because we pissed off our biggest fan site, caused an e-riot, and gave a large chunk of the members nervous breakdowns….”
Somehow blaming bad sales on your fanbase doesn’t sound like a good way to remedy the situation. Don’t think we have to worry about it.
I think this whole standard/premium thing have to stop. All of us including me need to stop talking about this. There’s too much drama regarding about a game. Too many people is worrying about this topic. And this confusion is spreading out even on other sites including youtube. I’m sure if PD look at these comments they’re gonna be upset. This could hurt their sales. I also apologize about my previous comments regarding this issue.
in a plane simulator … we dont flight with a bumper cam or behind it !
LOL, I’m trying to imagine one of my flight sim’s beechcraft with bumpers…..
I believe cockpit view is the best step further for a “racing simulator” before all other new features … bumper cam is maybe easier for some people … but its not a simulator view … I better like race like in real life “real driving simulator” even if its more challenging .. ! thats the point ! challenge ! and simulator !!
I was sure that “no cockpits” news was too strange. Yamauchi wouldn’t do anything like this to us – car enthusiast. I don’t care if the interiors wouldn’t be as realistic as possible … they just have to be in the game … that’s it.
sorry i missed the “c” out of picture lol
what it needs is sony to send a piture or short video showing a stsndard cars interior just to clear up once & forever to show an example so please sony put peoples mind to rest
Doesn’t really concern me, I’m a behind-car view man myself.
then the stiffness of the camera must annoy the hell out of you huh?
man, reading these comments are boring. Where’s the debate! No one is arguing over silly things No one is shouting abuse at the editors! COMMON PEOPLE STIR IT UP!!! lol :P But just to put my opinion out there, I would really like cock-pit views for all cars, that was my main unique selling point for GT5P. (albeit I got it free with mah PS3 but still….it was like 7gb! that takes me a year to download with my 10 kb/s interwebz!) ah well, guess I’ll have to go to the view where you see all the car, anythings better than bumper cam (you cannot admire the detail then…) :)
but bumper cam is the best for getting in the zone! everything else is eye candy
PD will look like the movie “Gone in 60 seconds” They will have to steal 800 cars in a month to photograph all the interiors to apply that in cockpit views before the release date !!
and hopfully record the engine sound too !!! or they will delay it again lol : ( I’m sure this will be the polishest poly game ever
I will be pissed if standard cars do not have interiors. No excuses for PD to not have them
Hmm, what confuses me most, is that in prologue we have cars like suzuki cappuccino with modeled interior. If in the final release of GT5 american muscles won’t have cockpit view and the cappuccino will, then .. well, just think about that.
I really hope every car gets an interior. They are a deal breaker for me.
I hope this will end the confusion permanently.
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How about we all stop raging over this confusion? Let’s just be happy for weather and the track editor and stop the pointless rage over this. To the 80% of this userbase who wants all interior views, this would mean another delay and it’ll give the Xbots another thing to laugh about and it’ll be your faults.
trust me the xbots are well and truely silent… and I think they will remain so. The only time one of my friends (who might I had was having a jolly good laugh at what he called a has been franchise) has made a peep was over the cockpits and more lately the weather which he snapped… not dynamic weather though is it… poor guys… I feel for them I really do.
I call bullshit on that one, they have just copied the info from GTP and recycled it like all the many other times this has happened with other stories. There is no way in hell they got a specific email responce from PD especially one which was word for word what was posted here.
I just wish we could see it for ourselfs, one standard car interior screenshot would put this all to bed. Whatever it is there shouldnt even be this standard premium rubbish, its just an 80% port of GT4 whatever they call it.
That leaves us only with another question, why do all the standard cars have black tinted windows ? Even if not as detailled, the interior can`t be that ugly.
because standard cars are from gt4. Previous GT’s didn’t have detailed interiors so PD darkened the windows. They probably spent as little time as possible on the conversion.
At least they’ll offer an interior view even if it’s really basic. Doesn’t matter to me cause I’ll be paying attention to what’s going on outside the car.
We all know that you are waiting for GT5, and finally we have a release date; by the way, around 800 cars do NOT have cockpit. Thank you, bye.
Man how long for an official statement… I was just on the verge of forgetting this annoying situation and now they make it worse; by an email from them.
Damn it…
Were all cars in the E3 demo Premium cars? if not Did anybody play it using a standard car, and if so, did it have a dash view?
There were no standard cars to drive at E3 or any other event.
Gotcha, thanks.
Is there any proof that the cars shown at E3 are premium only? Everybody keeps saying that but what is the source this is based on?
To bad this is not official message from Sony and PD.
So I guess standard cars are as detailed as FORZA 3 interiors? Lol jk but I hope PD gives us the light we need in this issue. I really want to drive the Supra from dash view!
You and me both, want to see if they’ve got the difference between Facelift and Non-facelift interiors!
After arguing this for about 6 months now, I really don’t care anymore. I want the game and would obviously like all cars to have interior view and if they do, bonus, if they don’t, i’ll use bonnet cam on them.
Just trying to hibernate until November now!
If you watch the trailer, Standard Cars WILL have Cockpit view, but in Replay they have nearly blacked glass, so the interior view from the outside of the car doesn´t have to be as detailed as with Premium cars
How is this confusing? This is AWESOME news! I don’t give a damn if I can see the grey piping on my black leather shift knob. I just want it to seem like I’m inside the car, and not have it be distractingly bad. Thank you PD!
Ok I want to point out something that could help with this. If you look very closely at the Rome screen shot you will see the “standard” muscle cars. in those screen shots you can see the driver holding the steering wheeling and you see a dash BUT everything else in the car is blacked out. I think this is what PD is saying about the interior its detailed like the cars but still lacking. anyway just look at your screen shots. and I think its funny there is no screen shot of a standard car where its pointing into the dash of the car from the out side. I think PD just wants to keep everything and show us all at Gamescon or Tokyo games show my best bet is in Tokyo. Anyway this is just my theory on the subject.
Makes sense.. 0_o
for the time being standards cars looks great and i don’t mind the cockpit issues because it’s bad for a lap record and i prefer the bumper view for that reason ,what remains is the engine sound ,it’s still poorly made,i think it’s one of the most important things that hasen’t improved in the gt series,and it’s important to improve the driving sensation,hope pd will keep that in mind
I for one with many other people don’t give a rats ass about interiors premium or standard, meh! all that gimmickry gets in the way of driving anyways.. most people use the full on view anyways so what’s the big fuss??
Quite a privelige you have to be able to speak for most people…Not everyone shares your narrow-minded opinion. Im sick to death of reading the same “i dont use that view, so get over it” comments over and over again. So i guess now i’ll jump on the idiotic comment bandwagon and say personally I think the track editor and weather effects that everyone has been crying out for is a complete waste of time and effort. And anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron
I agree with ya so much mate its impossible how much i agree with ya.
I also strongly believe there will be interior cockpit views, just not so detailed, possibly not even seeing the hands changing gears etc. That said, Dynamic light and weather are the biggest things I’m looking forward to. :-))
Imo we are not going to have any cockpit view for standard cars. Just gt4 models in hd, nothing more nothing less. maybe the’ll give us a cockpit like gtpsp, blackframe. However don’t understand why Pd recreated “the bolt under the safety belt of the back seat of a suzuki capuccino” and then give us 800 cars that look like crap. Cause by the only video of standard cars we saw, they look crap.
So now GT5 is PERFECT.
If you ask me, there is ONE standard car in gt5p: the GT-R prototype. It has NO cockpit view. Might be an indication.
Appearantly the GT-R Proto doesn’t have a cockpit view because the real GT-R Proto car doesn’t have one.
Remember some time ago, there was this picture of a box containing up to three dvds/bluerays… Maybe thats a hint.
Perhaps PD really did use all the space on the blue-ray. and the had to scrap some interiors to make room for “track editor” and sparks, and all those little thing that ppl were complaining that they must have. make you think a little bit about complaining so much huh?….
Not really, they can use more than one disk. The only limit to the number of disks is the size of the install relative to the size of the ps3 harddrive.
great success
Here is my two cents on the matter. As many of you know, the ending of the GT5 trailer shows the fact that customization will be an option…
I am guessing that standard cars will have your regular generic cockpit view. I think we will have the option to customize the interior (seats, steering wheels, etc.)
This would make perfect sense (along with possibly a livery editor) for the customization aspect advertised.
It would be a win win for both gamers and PD: gamers choose what their cockpit/interiors look like, and PD doesn’t have to spend the time to model them.
Anyone else think this is a plausible idea?
No, it doesn’t.
Care to elaborate? Or is that the most detailed argument you have on the matter…
i dont think that will happen honestly standard cars having cockpit view idk theres still a chance its true imo but customisable interior sounds too good
@Jakemania
No, it doesn’t sound like “a plausible idea” and no it doesn’t “make perfect sense” in any way, shape, or form.
Why wouldn’t it? The past games have already had the ability to purchase upgrades for your car. Why not be able to buy interior parts?
A plethora of racing games already have that feature. IE: Pretty much any NFS game per say. It’s not like they’d need a million choices for each car.
When I think of “customization”, I think livery editor and/or custom parts. And by elaborating, I meant WHY doesn’t it make sense to you? Not just “no, it doesn’t make sense” I could already tell you disagreed with your first post.
I don’t disagree with my own post.. that doesn’t even make sense. You asked me to elaborate, I elaborated. I bet you any amount of money they won’t have “custom” interiors, the way you described, in GT5. The idea we will have those options does not “make perfect sense” either. Enough said.
Well, not quite enough said…
Jake was saying he could tell you dissagree with HIM from YOUR first post. He was also asking for an elaboration along the lines of specific reasoning behind your beliefs/argument, and not just a repeat of your orriginal negative post using a longer phrase to say the same thing.
If you actually comply with that request, it may then be “Enough said” on your part, however it’ll still be Jakemania’s choice to say more on the subject, like it or not…
Thanks Nota for understanding what I was trying to say. Yeah, I never said you disagreed with your own post. I said I could tell you disagreed with my idea, but was trying to get you to elaborate on why you disagreed. It’s not like I was saying your opinion is stupid, I just wanted to know WHY you don’t think it makes any sense.
Would you want the option of having a customizable dash/steering wheel/etc or do you think it’s a dumb idea (and WHY lol)? (Regardless of whether you think they will have it or not)
Slightly off topic:
I’d be curious as to why this or a livery editor isn’t what they mean by customization… What would be the point of the Photo Modes if all you can do is take a picture of the same thing? I realize that there are many cares to choose from.. But what would be special about taking a picture of a certain car if it’s going to be the same thing that everyone else has. Especially with online mode. It will be slightly boring if everyone’s car is going to look the same.
At this point I’m happy we have a release date. :)
from http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/news/d9358.html
QUOTE -Voluptuous body lines up with the sports Doraibingushito sit, the view through the glass front to witness the first time, instrument panels and instrument reading lined up -.From exterior to interior, the car that “all visible things,” is reproduced, this is a premium car.[Gran Turismo 5 in this “premium car” alone has recorded more than 200 models. -END QUOTE
Now the standard cars: (look at the last line with the ‘※’)
QUOTE- The recording volume, how over 800 models.Age range, the richness of variety to choose from different categories, “Standard Car” will say the biggest attraction.
“Gran Turismo” with their huge number of cars included in the series, “PlayStation 3” and the current technology, what more beautiful reproduction of this car “standard” is.
※ “Standard Car” does not correspond to the interior view. -END QUOTE
“Standard Car” does not correspond to the interior view”??? Interesting… that says a lot even if it is a garbled translation.
How about all the cars in prologue? are they classed as Premium?
or is GT5P completely separate??
It’s safe to assume that. All cars in GT5P are highly detailed and it’s even clear when you view them from the outside, looking through the windows. Standard cars on the other hand, the windows are very tinted, and you can’t barely see what’s in there and only a silhouette of the driver.
I read that blog yesterday.Im hoping for cockpit views.honestly,after Kaz on twitter..if the standards have interiors,its an awesome bonus.Jordan,have you tried emailing PD for a response? If Kaz likes GTPlanet,they might clarify it in an email too.
I can’t do that, unfortunately. According to my contacts within SCEA, though, the translation of the Japanese footnote should read in English that the standard cars do not “support” interior view (in place of Google’s word, “correspond”). From my understanding, the footnote in the English version of the article appears to have been left out by mistake.
Sorry but where exactly did Polyphony say that? The article you linked to states its a response from SCEA, not PD.
Yes, he’s edited the original post, replacing Polyphony Digital with SCEA.
Jordan, please keep us updated regarding cockpit interior view. Cockpit view is a pretty big deal for me. I will admit that with all these new features and additions to the game, the no cockpit news has been easier to swallow, but I am still crossing my fingers for cockpit view in all cars. Thanks!
nah.. i always drive with hood cam
200+ premium cars is plenty. Besides like Jordan said, I’m way more interested in “weather “and the “track editor” than standard cars interior View.
awsome! this, plus my new g27 i’m getting in a few days, i will be immersed in this game so well, all i need is a flat screen and surround sound, lol, i just hope that its true though
It is funny how hugely people blow up this non issue. Who cares, even if you could find out you couldn’t do anything about it. Just be happy with what we have seen and wait patiently for more announcements.
Try playing only gt4 for a while and then switch to gt5p. You will be so happy with how amazing gt5p is and the advancements made in that game that anything in gt5 will just be icing on the cake.
Jordan if you don’t mind me asking. Now there are all other kinds of websites starting to post this very same information. There is already mass confusion. Is there someone we/you can ask so we can know and every single thread that is started will not have this topic in it? And if this igamer can contact PD and get a answer can you send them a e-mail or someone at sony? Have you had any luck with that in the past?
What about the producer that was in the IGN video?
People need to get over this crap, am sick of hearing people complain about it. the easiest thing to do is to wait and see.
You hear people’s voices coming from your computer?…wow!
Windows can read text for you, so yes.
I’m actually trying it out now, it IS quite annoying :P
LOL NotaSony made me chuckle.
lol, true, true….
^^VErry true! lol
I think at the end of the day it will be all peachy
I’ve never seen such confusion regarding a game in all my life. This games release is becoming the greatest drama/thriller of all time, edge of your seat Shizz!!! Jesus!
yes, i have never seen this much drama and speculation for a silly video game….
maybe the whole GT5 idea is some sort of conspiracy…..
Lets face it people, all signs point to no interior views on standard cars. On the offical website they even clarify between standard and premium car headlights, but no such clarification is given to the interiors. Why? Cause they don’t exist on the standard cars!
And I wish people would stop thinking of premium cars as the ‘better’ cars! In my mind the ‘premium’ cars are simply the cars that PD have modelled post-GT4. Think of them as all cars made in 2005 or later (with some exceptions)
So yes, a Suzuki Cappucino may well be a premium vehicle.
Screens indicate that the Lancer Evo X is a premium and this is all I really care about anyway. I plan to drive this car 90% of the time…
Yes, I’m afraid the “Premium”/”Standard” nomenclature is a source of much confusion.
No, the only person who was confused and went on to confuse everybody else was you. The rumour about there not being interiors in all cars was pushed by you and this site.
@Parapraxis….God damn, no interior views man. The most we could get is a damn black frame, Kaz said so, he makes the game. Here have the damn link http://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-live-twitter-interview-with-honda/
@Parapraxis: I also helped confuse everyone else by asking a Sony employee at E3 instead of just believing what I wanted to. If this “rumour” does turn out to be true, that means Jordan and this site were the only ones that got it right.
hope its true even if they’re not accurate as the premium cars i know even those cockpit views will be better than forza’s and well even if this turns out not to be true im still buying gt5 regardless what a game ah november the waiting always seems longer when you want something real bad!
Not. Going. To happen.
BEEEEAAAAUUUUUTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are people surprised this is such a big deal? PD created this by building up hype every since GT5:P. They never ONCE showed any images or video of any sort of “standard” cars with blacked out interiors. We’ve always seen highly detailed cars & beautiful interiors. Now suddenly after E3 we get a website update with what is basically “Oh, by the way, 80% of the cars in the game aren’t going to look like what we’ve been showing you for the past few years, bye now!” Of course it’s gonna cause a stir!
I do wish PD would do SOMETHING to put this silliness to rest once and for all. Ugh…
Agreed. Outside of GTPlanet, no one seems very interested in clarifying this, unfortunately.
Yeah aside from Kotaku and iGameRoport of course.
Admit it YOU WERE WRONG. FFS why are you so intent on keeping mis-information out there?
Grow a pair, and admit you were WRONG.
The point of my above comment was that if you read the comments on other sites that posted news mentioning that standard cars might not have interior views, it wasn’t a big issue with their editors or readers, nor do they seem interested in seeking further clarification from Sony or Polyphony Digital.
Polyphony have always maintained that every car will feature “modelled cockpits.” Why pass off as fact sketchy Japanese translation which, by the way, refers to “interior view;” ie, a vehicle’s interior components becoing visible as a result of the Premium cars’ more advanced damage model, NOT cockpit view?
Polyphony have always maintained that every car will feature “modelled cockpits.” Why pass off as fact a sketchy Japanese translation which, by the way, refers to “interior view;” ie, a vehicle’s interior components becoing visible as a result of the Premium cars’ more advanced damage model, NOT cockpit view?
Polyphony have always maintained that every car will feature “modelled cockpits.” Why pass off as fact a sketchy Japanese translation which, by the way, refers to “interior view;” ie, a vehicle’s interior components becoing visible as a result of the Premium cars’ more advanced damage model, NOT cockpit view? *Delete previous post*
Daniel, when did Polyphony Digital ever say that “every car will feature ‘modelled cockpits'”?
PD really should clear up this confusion once and for all with a clear statement and a picture comparison of standard cockpit (if any) vs. premium cockpit. That should finally end the 1000 threads on the subject.
Well Done…..There is no reason that all cars shouldnt have a cockpit (besides some concepts)….As long as they have a Dashboard and speedo…..Im Good.
P.S.
I cant wait till they dive into the tuning aspect of the game.
The reason is spelled time.
I’d be happy with no interior. There’s enough advancements to put this game in the top tier of Racing Simulators, and the only way it couldn’t would be if PD offices were bombed and every single GT producer, Kaz, and Sony were destroyed. That will not happen.
It might if they delay it again. I hear there is an north pole based GT terrorist group stocking up on ski masks has we speak. I’m just not sure if it’s to hide thier identities durring bombing raids, or because they live on the north pole…. ;)
I live on the north pole. Haven’t seen anything like that. Maybe they are on the south?
and it rages on! :D
Well hopefully it’s correct, I’d be happy if there was jut one cockpit used for all standard cars, well maybe a cockpit per car class if you know what I mean, just seems silly making a deal about head tracking when not all cars will have them
It’s amazing how obsessed people are becoming (including me). I think we should hold back, let the people at PD finish their hard work, and wait a few weeks until the next major conferences, otherwise we’ll just keep going round in circles.
Premium cars means the car fills up with sweet wrappers and because of sonys deal with coca cola all the cup holders will eventually fill up with cans and bottles and giant paper cups filled with coke,
now you’ll have to brake gently or “dynamic cola” will make your bugatti veyrons carpets sticky
hmmm, didn’t post the first time…
Just had to say; ROFLMAO
Now that would be simulation!
be happy with what you have, I would hate a delay because of you guys
My apologies to Jordan. People are freaking out way too much over this stupid standard vs premium thing. This post shouldn’t have been necessary.
So why cant someone just send a picture of the dash cam from GTpsp and ask, are Standard cars like this? yes or no. Seems simple :D
I don’t think it’s decided yet to be honest. As Kaz said in his Twitter: “Would you prefer blackframe? If so, that would be technically possible”*
* – Not an exact quote, but he wrote something like that :P
oh dont get me wrong, with all the cool features and the fact it will be awesome cockpit views are something I can live without. especially since I only really use bumper cam or behind the car. cockpit view is a treat but not a deal breaker. I just feel giving them example pictures ie psp or prologue cockpit views and asking which is closer to standard view… so all these people can move on and relax haha
and here we go again !!………..
PD could clarify this whole point so easily but i don’t think there going to anytime soon, maybe there pretty much unaware this needs clarifying or they feel all the speculation is good for promoting the game as more and more space on various sites is dedicated to this issue.
Much of GT5 info has been leaks, mis-information, mis-translation and unofficial blogs by game industry insiders, sony execs from around the world.
Until i see a visible in game screen, or hear from PD in a fully translated press release, its all internet fluff, fun but still fluff.
So please people don’t get over excited at rumoured features, until we get to see with our own peepers.
Oh man, no more delays please.
It frankly makes **no sense** to say that the bulk of the cars in GT5 will not have interiors. Even GT PSP has interior views for all the cars. And if you’re basing it on an automatic translation of Japanese, especially when we have the same page translated in English on us.gran-turismo.com …
Come on now.
GT PSP did not have full “interior views” – it had only a black frame where the car’s interior should be. Yamauchi actually mentioned this may be possible for GT5 in his recent Twitter interview. Also, the footnote on the Japanese site is not on any English-language version of Gran-Turismo.com.
although they didn’t have full ineterior views, they were accurate representations in terms of shape etc which gives indication that they actually photographed the cars to get the interior. Don’t think they’ll photograph all those cars just to black them out for the PSP
Jordan, yes, there were not “full ‘interior views.'” But you kept saying there are NO interior views. What you quoted, that you disagreed with, was “Standard cars do indeed have a cockpit/dashboard view.”
And yes, while that footnote was not in the English version, it is — again — an automatic and grammatically confusing translation that seems pretty meaningless to me. I don’t think we can take it to be a hint of any sort.
I should add that I rarely use the cockpit view because I find it to be significantly more limiting than the experience of driving a real car. Although with head tracking, that may change.
The footnote has been further analyzed by Japanese-speaking users in our forums, and I think its meaning has become clear. Also, from my interpretation of Yamauchi’s comments on Twitter, there is currently no implementation of interior view of any kind in GT5. Yes, I could be wrong, but that’s my personal understanding of the situation and I remain unconvinced this is incorrect. I certainly hope that it is.
Yeah, I am pretty sure you’re incorrect. I see no significant evidence for your view, and it flies in the face of the physical evidence we have to the contrary: the fact that it is in HD Concept, Prologue, PSP, previous versions, etc.
I’m picking that at the time of E3 2010 there were no cockpit views for the standard cars. I’m also picking that after E3, Kaz and the team will be frantically trying to put them in there between now and November 2. Hence the tight lipped status.
How can the burden of proof lay on the idea that standard cars won’t have interior view? I would rather like to see what sort of evidence the opposing idea can present.
Other than optimistic assumptions and random blog editors, there is no evidence that standard cars will have interior view, Erik. I am quite befuddled that so many of you do not consider the text on Polyphony Digital’s website to – at the very least – be a reasonable indication to the contrary.
Jordan: I am befuddled that you take unclear text from Japanese and treat it as dispositive, or even significant.
Again, you said there will be no interiors, at all. There has been no significant evidence, of any kind, that backs you up, except for this text none of us can read, and the only English translation of which I’ve seen makes no grammatical or contextual sense.
At E3 I was told by a Sony representative that the standard cars will have NO cockpit or interior view. I asked if they would possibly have the PSP GT blacked out frame view and he again said NO.
Pudge, Kaz said it HIMSELF in the Honda Twitter interview. No interiors at all. What more proof do you need than Kaz’s own words. He makes the games if anyone should know it’s him.
J-X: no, Kaz did not say that.
@j-x
I must have missed the part where he said no interiors at all, but it doesn’t matter much anyway. And here is why:
In the same interview he said that they’ve never thought of putting motorcycles in the game. A bit odd given that odd little “Tourist Trophy” game that was basically motorcycles inserted into a GT game.
Point being, he’s saying what’s convinient at the moment, and not necesarily what is true and or factual. I wouldn’t take much of anything said in that interview has 100% written in stone.
Nice one Jordan!
Honestly I can’t see what the confusion is all about. Standard cars will have interiors at least as good as GT5P with a similar cockpit view, premium will be far better with stiching on the rear seats and probably leather that ages as you play the game.
Standard cars may only have cockpit view, whereas premium will have maybe a 360 internal view so you can admire the light glinting on the rear doorhandles and the way the detail on seatbelts.
End of story. Next topic please.
It is not end of story just because you say so, we need some info to back it up. It’s a bit like the medieval church saying “the world is flat, end of story, next topic please.”
The world isn’t flat?!?!?!
Oh well, never mind, that explains a few issues then…..
I think what we saw in GT5P is a good example of standard car interior. Remember when pd was taking all those pics of the sls? Thats prob when they decided to do premium interiors. All the others should have been finished already. Atleast to GT5P standards. I mean c’mon a cappucino as a premium car, give me a break.
I agree if standard cars have interior i’m sure over half of those cars from GT5 prologue are standard. To me honestly those graphics really look very detailed on GT5 prologue.
Cappucino is a premium, and the Countach is standard ??
Oh – it’s a Japanese game, hehe
@bernd
The Cappucino is premium because it’s in GT5 Prologue, so I would assume that the cars in the prologue are premium. The Countach would be standard because it was in GTPSP and the interior was “blacked out” so it’s likely that the car would be standard.
Please oh please don’t let this delay GT5 anymore.
And the saga continues …
All of this becoming to painful. “Is there going to be weather!?”, “the standard cars won’t have interior view”, “the standard cars will have cockpit view”, “Theres going to be kart racing and track editor!”, “gran turismo won’t have either!!”. Honestly you guys can think what ever you want, I jst don’t care about these things anymore, I am just going to have to wait for the game to come out so we can settle this once and for all, uh…..
I dont care about Cockpit view
seriously people stop crying
Yup, Im all about bumper cam
me to
I WAS cockpit, but recently ive been getting used to bumper cam again, just incase there isnt many cockpits.
stole the words right outta my mouth
YOU don’t care, but that doesn’t mean we all do. What if they removed the cams you people liked (mostly bumper) and just put behind the car cam. Then you would complaint too. I’m not whinning I’ll take what I get, hey, it’s 1000+ cars after all, any cam will do.
hope standard cars will be like gt5p interior cars
This madness has to stop, I demand the months of July August and September to be removed from the calendar!
Totaly agree, Octobers my birthday.
Sorry dude, I’m living in Germany, so October also has to be removed !
Don’t remove october.. Just because of octoberfest :D
What! I wouldn’t miss the summer for anything in the world, not even GT5! It’s the only time of the year when we have sun in Sweden!
It’ll all be good in the end. Society has made people eager to get high quality things as fast as possible and if things don’t fit their fantasy world they rage *cough* 80% of this website’s user base *cough*. Stop complaining for once people, just wait ’till the 2nd, you’ll be happy.
What he said, but slightly louder.
BALLIN’
Just to clarify, this sentence is what I wrote, and Kotaku quoted me in the email, and said “That’s correct, that’s why I wrote it”, or something in that manner.
:). We just have to wait :P
/yes, I recall the post you made.
So this response from SCEA is in fact your words? And they were first quoted by Kotaku, and that quote was quoted by SCEA and that quote was quoted by igamereport.com? I find that to be a rather strange information pattern, but I hope for the love of mankind that the info is right.
Here is the excact transcript to avoid all confusion ;).
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I think it’s best to hibernate on this matter and wait for GamesCom or official confirmation from PD/Sony.
I’m not that worried though, as I assume all cars will have a bonnet view :)
“authentic experiences from car to car”
Nice, hopefully this means that each car will have a fairly accurate interior. It may not be as detailed, but then again I don’t need to see every stitch of cloth of the seatbelt of the back seat. This makes me extremely happy, but I would have bought the game regardless.
Does it matter how the interiors look, they looked good on gt5p anyways so im not really fussed. just roll on november 2nd i say
If they fix the front and rear proportions on the Toyota Soarer/ Lexus SC300 I will be happy.
Care to explain?
The only Lexus SC we’ve seem is the 430. And that’s in GT300-spec, like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Lexus_SC_430_SuperGT.jpg
So the proportions are correct.
HEY!… Gran Turismo 4 and PSP does infact have a Lexus SC300, but it’s the late 90’s version where they updated the front bar and rear tail lights and changed the rear spoiler, it is infact correct and the game does infact have the Lexus SC300.
Cool. Finally PD. Now you are my BEST !
What did I tell you. Ugh. I knew GT5 would have Cockpit views.
im not actually replying to you i jst cant figure out other way 2 leave message how dum is gtplanet the jap site said no interior view, that is coz they didnt do the howl interior however the COCKPIT is not the howl interior and will be visible, i was not confused for a second ive heard about 5 separate conformations from sony employees now there is dash cam get it right gtplanet long live gran turismo