GT5 was shown off running in 3D at a special event in Tokyo last week. Gaming site 1up was on hand and provided their decidedly mixed reviews on the experience:
Gran Turismo 5 didn’t look markedly better or worse in 3D when compared to its showing at TGS last year. However, it suffered from the “pop-up book look” that many 3D images do–the game looked as if it was composed of several 2D images layered on top of each other. Movies that are filmed in 2D and brought to 3D via CGI tend to suffer from the same problem (think Clash of the Titans or Alice in Wonderland.)
Though 3D images can be hard to watch for a long period of time, GT5 was relatively easy to look at. This is thanks in large part to the game not using any strong depth of field effects. […] All objects in GT5, regardless of location, are rendered without any post-processing blur, so no matter where we looked on the screen, we could focus easily.
Of course, the “pop-up book look” won’t be an issue for players normal televisions, but the negative points are still unfortunate given the fact that many consider Sony’s desire to publish the game in 3D as a reason for its lengthy development time.
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it is really exciting to watch 3d movies. i hope that there would be 3d sexy movies too.~;”
Berlino Bear, I have both played Forza 3 and own an Xbox 360. Contrary to what you might think, I desperately wished that it would be a good game. Now I’m forced to sell my Xbox and shell out even more cash to buy a PS3 and a copy of Gran Turismo 5. Thanks a bunch, Turn 10, for your complete inability to produce a half-decent driving sim.
Cool would be a support for 3D VR glasses. Does anyone know if GT5 is gonna have something like that? I think that would be no problem, I’m considering buying one when they get better resolution..
erm michael pickle i dont know where you get your information from,
but 3d tv without the glasses is blurry. trust me, my cousin has the latest one ive seen it my self.
Chris Says: “Right so gimmicks like this are why I can’t play GT5 yet. Where’s my Forza 3 disc????”
Its stuck inside the 360 that RRODed…
Perhaps they purposely made it like that so that it will work best with headtracking. Like when you turn your head to e.g. the tachometer that it will enlarge.
“sam Says:
May 31st, 2010 at 5:32 am
It seems that a lot of idio*** here don’t know how to read,
“GT5 was relatively easy to look at. This is thanks in large part to the game not using any strong depth of field effects. […] All objects in GT5, regardless of location, are rendered without any post-processing blur, so no matter where we looked on the screen, we could focus easily.”
so 3d works great with GT5.”
Well, interesting, but apparently us idiots are better at reading comprehension than you.
That qoute says nothing to how well 3d works, other than that you can focus easily, and includes reference to the fact that the field of depth effect is mild (I.e, not presenting a full 3d enviromental effect). The rest of the posted portion of article, that you didn’t qoute, is also pretty much about how the 3d effect lacks, i.e. the fact that it looks like a bunch of 2d images layered.
So, apparently the ability to read, and the ability to comprehend, are not mutually exclusive skills.
Agreed with Oddtime !
But i dont agree with Cuco33… I tried Forza, and there is something about it, which i cannot pin point to it, but i cannot stand it… i am trying my best to accept it, but it just doesnt cut it for me. Sorry.
@ Elie the Bear:
At the movie, for 3D films, you need the glasses to view it, without it, the movie is unwatchable since there is a “blur”.
With the release of 3DTV, you still need the glasses (different kind then the one in the movies) to view 3D, BUT and the BIG BUT here, is: without the glasses, you can still watch the movie, but in 2D! This prevents the “blur” that you would see in the movie theater, This way, people without glasses can still watch the movie on the 3DTV, but just wont be able to enjoy it in 3D, just 2D. That would be the main reasons for this “inconvience”!
The 3DTV allows for watching movies either way AT THE SAME TIME, depending on whether you are the one wearing the glasses or not…. this way, NO discrimination during each viewing.
instead of 3d tv, they should include triple screen support
@Luke and others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4VidUn-3xA
this is only in early stages but even people with glasses should be able to tolerate this, but expect to wait a little longer before buying one of these
I agree with the many comments here asking why we need 3D at this time! The 3D tech is relatively new and i guess will progress rapidly. Sony/PD should wait if they are working on putting 3D into the full-release GT5 (working on 3D demos is cool though! :) )
@Luke, the S5 in the game is one of those cars that kept placing in the top leaderboards of most tracks. It is a handler off the bat for sure but I agree with you if you’re going full throttle at full speed through a turn it doesn’t sound right. I’ve spun out or lost my line bad trying just that with the same car (and not the same motor swap/power output though). It is no NFS title. Forza, like all games, suffers from something and in this case it has a tendency to suffer from too much grip or being able to control certain cars too easily.
@cuco33
Well, i like GT, but i don`t really like Forza, but i can tolerate it. It really is a great game. I tried it, but for me i just feels like a new Need for Speed title. In just 2-3 hours i was able to buy an Audi S5, stick an R8 V10 engine in it and tune it to over 800HP. And with that car i was able to drive through corners at full throttle. I know Audi got one of the most advanced four wheel drive system, but even Quaddro shouldn`t be able handle that ^^
There’s nothing wrong with Forza. It’s a phenomenal franchise that directly competes with GT. If you like GT, you’ll like Forza. And GT5 won’t be compared to GT4 or GT5P or any other game BUT forza, and there’s a good reason too. You don’t need 3D nor Move to make the game better. This is Sony’s doing, not PDs, since they want to market and sell 3D and their new motion controller.
you need a 3D tv because a normal tv will run at 60HZ, and to do 3d you need two sets of images (one for each eye), and at 60hz, its just way too slow (itd be like viewing 30hz, because 30 refreshes per eye). The glasses work in sync with the tv. The 3d tv will have a refresh rate of 120hz, or there abouts, and the glasses will have 60hz per eye, making the viewing quality no lower, and it will not seem juttery as a normal 60hz attempting 3d would. The glasses basically flicker on and off constantly alternating between each eye (so if left is off, then right is on). The TV then plays the right image in this state, and then switches to the left image when the left is on and the right is off. This all happens at 1/120 times a second.
And that’s why you need a 3d tv, if this didn’t explain it well, sorry :P, just ask and ill reply later =]
I don’t understand why we need a 3dtv ??? can somebody answer me that ??? in theaters we need a movie in 3d and glasses !! there is no 3d wall !?!! if gran turismo is 3d … and we got glasses … why th %$%& we need 3dtv ?? is this just a cash thing … ?? they plug a wire from glasses to tv and called that 3d tvs … ???
Not entirely convinced by this. They should have left it for gt6 so that they could make the 3d more purposful instead of an add on to a game that really should hav been released 1.5 years ago
@danielwhite74 Cry baby Fanboy hasn’t played Forza. Anyway, I wasn’t saying it was better than GT5 will be. I was saying you can sell Millions of units of a similar racing game and not worry about loading it with 3D tech.
Ok you cant sell 3D TV’s off the back of it, but this site shows most people don’t want home 3D technology in its current state.
@ Luke
Non glasses 3DTVs are expected within 5 years.
Japan has recently said it could offer “Holgram” vision by 2018 but I wouldnt hold my breath on that one.
3DTV has to grow and evolve but it has to start with little content and extra expense just like HD did. I guess if glasses annoy people then its maybe a non starter for them. Gaming however is going to be targetted heavily for 3DTV sales.
Even with PCs and anyone clued into what Nvidia and Ati are doing will see thats the direction they too are going. Nvidia has just announced a software tool that will make Laptops/PCs with the appropiate hdmi 1.4 graphic cards work on a 3DTV using that TVs glasses. So no longer will they need to also purchase a 120Hz monitor and Nvidias own glasses. This also means simple large screen 3D gaming of hundreds or already released games on PC will be possible by this summer.
Also many game engines being developed for the future are incorporating 3D design tools and will allow games from the very beginning be 3D developed not bolted on which perhaps even GT5 has.
Intersting times for gamers…
Whatever, I personally don’t care about 3D, just a dumb fad thats making people spend money on something that will become irrelevant like it already did some time ago. All I am hoping for is the release of the game this year.
Berlino Bear, Forza would be far from “fine” regardless of whether it’s in 3D.
Why is it that everytime a feature is revealed everybody keeps saying “Oh Sony delayed GT5 because of this feature, what stupid m********” ?
Do you really think this is the case ? The game is not finished, not because of 3D. There are still other things to be done. Even if GT5 would be entirely 2D, it won`t be released sooner.
@gsw92
I did experience a 3DTV with those newly hyper advanced super ultra cool shutter glasses. And i was totally disappointed the moment i set my eyes on the screen. Well, you have a good 3D experience, but you sacrifice so many other things. You always have to wear those expensive, uncomfortable and ugly glasses, which make you look and feel totally retarded. And as mentioned by TTownEP, if you want to watch a 3D movie with 3 friends, you have to own 4 glasses, and those are very expensive glasses.
3D will only be taken seriously by people if you can watch 3D without any external device, like the glasses. I don`t exactly know how this would be possible in theory, but i`m pretty sure it won`t happen in the next 10-20 years.
Maybe holograms are the solution ;) By this time however, GT …. maybe 10 will be projected AROUND the gamer, giving you the feeling of really sitting inside the car.
My guess is that the game is nearly or already finished and many of the wanted features are not included or are in but in an unsatisfying way. Don’t forget, before a game hit the stores, it has to go gold – 2 to 4 weeks. Before that they are more or less only fixing bugs, balancing gameplay. A feature that is not in the game now, won’t be when it is released. PD’s strategy of not revealing much information could mean they implemented features and keeping it a secret, but from the demos, something like skidmarks are not present and I believe they won’t be in the final product, sadly.
Oh, 3D, well, you can’t do anything about it. There was a hype in the 90’s and now it is back and they won’t stop pushing the technology seeing how much money can be made (Avatar in 3D…). 3D can be impressive, but GT5 should focus more on other aspects. They cannot compete with their old concept in the future as the gamers, you know the ones who finance all of it, demand more and more. I want a hybrid of GT, Forza and PC Sims :).
My friend is a Cyclops he is really pissed…………. mmmmmmmmeeeehh!
@ Berlino
Yeah I am your right but Im also fully aware how good it can be depends on the actual content and the individual. At times it can indeed be underwhelming as well. Im not trying to ram it down everyones throats that its amazing but instead that it has potential.
No disrespect to Sony but their own displays certainly were not praised at CES as being the best for 3D and looking at their own prices this year again they still may find it difficult with such a competitive market even with giving away free versions of Motorstorm/Wipeout/Pain/Superstardust in 3D.
@ Mr Latt. No YOU are interested in 3D. The rest of us just want the Game. Forza is fine in 2D. GT will be fine in 2d.
Oh the cries!!!!
Questions Earlier:
1. Why are Sony doing this?
2. I want my GT5 now !
3. This is crap
Answers
1. Sony’s TV division has not made profit in almost 6 years
2. Tough, 1080p @ 60fps also required additional development time
3. Those of you that dont like it wont have to use it so get over it. Thanks for the advice but people that ARE interested in 3D will consider buying it regardless of what you say anyways.
Anyone that decides to venture into 3DTV hardware or games has the “OPTION” to play in 3D or 2D and frankly Id rather have that “OPTION”. On top of that Sony are giving us “FREE” 3D Blu Ray player support and I look forward to one day watching Avatar and Sonys own movies in MIB 3 / Spiderman 4 in 3D amongst other films.
“the game looked as if it was composed of several 2D images layered on top of each other.”
That says it ALL right there.. SONY is so stupid for delaying GT5 for this poorly executed GIMMICK. They could have been making $$ off GT5 this whole time, but no… Now we have to wait for something most of us will never use. GT is already in 3D! It happens in you BRAIN when you make sense of what’s on the screen.. If it’s properly rendered in virtual 3D your brain does the rest, THAT is why this 3D stuff is a gimmick..
Perhaps 3D + head tracking will give a better, perhaps more desired effect of 3D instead of the 2D pop up book with extra layers as mentioned…
Screw 3D….. No one really cares… We just want GT5 >:(
sony is delaying GT5 to fix the 3D popup
If I promise sony I’ll get a sony bravia 3d when it comes out, can I have gt5 now?
@ CeeJay I think u should win something for saying the understatement of the year…too bad Sony has no idea of GTPlanet or they would stop this nonsense!
you all can do nothing to the release date so shut up 3d move ….. when its done its done
you can now play gt5p in 3d with samsung 2d to 3d convert
How about release gt5 now.. and then release gt5-3d later when its spectacular…..
If the games in 3d then the damage must be awesome in te game then… Now evryone just read what o said and think … :) can u say flying car parts off screen like car tire.. Imagine big crash in front someone wheel flies off and smash into your glass ?? 3d would be nice for this.. But sadly shit like that would never happen
maybe it will just ask us to download(install) the 3d patch from the blu ray as an option … before starting a new game… no need to worry ! the game is coming soon because its kevin butler next ad .. and the face book sls contest and mid july … I say end of july or august ” )
FPS and other environment gaming – good. A racing game – gimmick…
@iucidium Uhh… what are you talkin’ about?
@gsw92
If it was properly implemented now, we wouldn’t be bitching about it, we’d be singing it’s praises. I sat down and watched some 3D on a Samsung. It was severely UNDERWHELMING. How are these new shutter glasses better than the red and blue paper ones anyway? I wear glasses when I watch TV. Do I want to wear shutter glasses on top of these? No, it sucks. It sucked to go see movies in 3D in the theater. It’s uncomfortable, and I look like an idiot with 2 pairs of glasses on. Plus, they cost ungodly amounts of money. What are we supposed to do when someone else wants to come over and watch a movie in 3D? They aren’t standardized, they can’t bring theirs from home if they don’t have the same TV. You can’t have 2 people watching with glasses and 2 or 3 more watching normally. Get back to me when they can do 3D without glasses. When that shows up, I’ll be interested. In it’s current state, it’s crap, it’s a gimmick, and it will go the way of HD-DVDs, UMD, and the BetaMax.
I want 3D to fail just so Sony feels the same sort of pain I’ve felt waiting for this stupid game. Bah.
I work with 3D TV in the malls everyday and from what they said it sounds like the tv is only upscaling to 3d, as in the tv is having to take nothing and turn it into 3d. If they have actually made this game in 3d it should look alot better than a popup book. We have a demo of both upscaled and true 3d at our stall and the difference is very noticeable, the true 3d is much better than any 3d you see at the movies. But not sure why they would show an upscaled version as it wont impress. It sounds very rushed to me.
Just Bring out the game!
@Jordan whats your opinion on GT5 in 3D??
@gsw92 I think they are trying to future proof GT5 because GT6 will not be seen for a long time not in the PS3’s life anyway and if 3D does take off they have it covered. I can’t be arsed arguing the point but 3D never caught on back then why do you think it’s never been used since errmmm because it was crap?? But that is my opinion and I know it count’s for Jack maybe this time around it will be different but I just can’t see myself sitting there with 3D specs on playing my PS3 especially GT5 maybe as a bit of a gimmick like my Wii purchase. I have tried Samsungs version of a 3DTV and in all honesty yes it was cool but only a little bit cool after 5min it was passable. To get to the point I will not be making a trip to the shops to buy one in a hurry, especially when they all get recalled for causing fits! < joke : )
I just hope the standard version of GT5 does not suffer for this 3D pants.
mr latte speaks sense! When we all get our 3D TVs, its good to know that GT5 will be ready for it (as we know GT6 wont be out). You are an imbecile if u think 3D wont take off. in the 80s, it was rubbish red and blue paper glasses, now its properly implemented so quit the whole “it never caught on before” bull.
i dont know why gamers have such a problem with 3D, if you’ve ever actually seen 3D on an actual TV (preferably with active glasses), you’ll see how awesome it is. dont compare you experiences with avatar (graphite glasses), though even then, I was impressed.
Anyway, this is the sony philosophy, having something ready for the masses rather than adding it on and charging more, ahem M$!
You’ll all deny u said any of this in 4 years time, mark my words
Does’nt sony even READ these comments we are leaving? don’t they get the idea that this is a useless waste of time! WE HAVE been waiting for so long for WHAT? Honestly there is such a low amount of people that are going to BUY into this!!! This IS RIDICULUS!
Chris,
You mean your Forza3 disc(s) ?
somewhere near 8 low polygon cars & across the way from rushed & underwhelming…
I find it rather amusing the amount of hate 3D gets but think most of this is because yes its blammed for the delay but a great deal of people here maybe only purchased a 1080p TV in the last two years and this perhaps annoys them.
Millions of people buy TVs each year so I fail to see why a percentage of consumers wont make the decision to get a 3D model, even for the novelty of it. Like a wii people may buy into it to get the experience however that doesnt mean 3D will be regulary used and again like a wii the fun or desire to keep using it will depend on the individuals.
For those of you that keep referring to it as a gimmick I suggest you wait to the industry has more games designed to properly use it. It can become a gameplay feature or enchancement which very few of you seem to be recognising. Also combining 3D in Visuals with 3d Motion Control in “Move” will bring an entirely new gaming experience weve never had in the home before.
Price is not the main issue just like early HDTVs were expensive or 1080p models were.
3DTVs by next year will be available in more mainstream models. Already this year it isnt much different to similar 2D models each brand had last year so those of you that are moaning about prices should do some research before whinging.
I can buy in the UK today the 50″ Samsung 3DTV Plasma (7000c UK model 8000 USA model) With 3 pairs of glasses (1x coupon) for under £1500. Now go compare that to many 2D models still being sold today or please tell me why Id spend similar money on a model from last year thats not got 3D at all?
I rather play GT5 with 3 monitors and have a 180 degree view aspect which imo would give a better “In the game feel” of the game than 3D. Kinda like that Ferarri 355 Challenge arcade game. Sony should take a simple poll for those who want 3d and the ones who want a regular copy just to see how much time they’re wasting. As someone said in a comment before, there should be a separate 3d version of the game so those who want it, and also give them a code to get a special car for being such good sports on waiting for the game lol.
Sony is just too desperate for money. This is so stupid. Us glasses wearers suffer with 3D because:
1) We look like queers.
2) Our head or eyes hurt withing a few minutes of wearing them.
Instead of hoping something will do good, tyhey should first look at some statistics or survey at least. I’ve looked at many comments and have seen that 3-5 people of the whole GTPlanet site ( no lie, those are actual numbers), like the 3D idea. I understand why they would too, it makes you feel like you’re there, but honestly, in my opinion, it dosen’t add much. In fact, it takes away stuff like the quality. Plus, I think HD is the best innovation for the TV that we’ll ever get besides “super HD”.
i have tried 3d tv recently.
my cousine brought a 3d tv, for £2500, samsung one.
you need to wear glasses, and these glasses, 2 of them cost £80, so very expensive. and these glasses are batery powered, and they are synced with the tv so some sort of refreshing goes on and allows you to see two different images as though it were 3d.
my impressions were good, but not absolutly amazing. when things come flying towards you, then it feels very good, as though it really is coming towards you.
in things like sport, 3d is good, but not amazing. e.g. in football, you can actually see that there is a bit of space around the players, you can actually see where the ball is, as sometimes on 2d the ball could be moving up in the air, but it looks like its just rolling on the ground.
the problem with 3d is most of the current content is designed with 2d in mind, the camera angles and the views etc. also another problem is you are restricted to this square box (your tv), and in a 3d world there are no restrictions in terms of viewing space.
its a positive thing that it is being released, because like all technology it will get better and cheaper as time goes on, so we will see.
Great, negative review = another year of development. Damage, anyone?
@sapphire-wolf *facepalm* stop using apple terminology.
PS – The track on the screen for the article header is Tokyo.
I was missing it ;-)
vitz Says:
“what if sony/polyphony rocked up at e3 with a race driver’s helmet with a 3d visor, instead of a regular visor….”
How can one sip ice cold beer and tell the Mrs to be quiet wearing that??
Nobody cares about 3d, and if SONY wants to use it, patch it later for people who want the tv etc.
I just want the game, and i’ll tell you this SONY. If this game does not come out 2010. You will have more angry fans then you can handle.
Just release the fking game already.
3D? I really wonder how much this 3D adds to the consumers’ experience; probably not much.
they should introduced 3d technology on gt6 when the technology will be developed enough and everyone will have a contact with it…
FAIL! I JUST WANT TO PLAY ON THE NURBURGRING!!! (sorry for the caps)
Sony are full of fail, they need to fire all the monkeys running their PR department, seriously…
Personally, I think the excuse for 3D and Move inclusion was spearheaded by Sony, not PD, and doubled as the perfect excuse on the ‘delay’ for the game that’s probably not really ready to launch at any time. I seriously think they needed the extra time to work on the game itself. I don’t care for 3D and this info doesn’t help one bit. Ill be getting Move but not for GT5.
@racingchamp30
Exactly! Release it later for the 3 people who want it. Don’t make us all wait for them. Besides, tacking on 3D to a game at the very end of production sounds like a terrible way to do things. When they go to work on GT6, then they can design it in 3D from the ground up so it will look great, and we can wait another 10 years.
i don’t care the 3D stuff. i want the game now!
Im pretty amaced about how many are that against 3D, i my selfe are pretty keen to try it out in 3D. It might be just a gimmick that will dissapear in a year or 2, but personally i like to see “new” things added to games.
If this takes off and tv’s and games get better adapted to 3D it could give alot more feeling of speed and realism to the game. Its probably not going to be extreemly good in this game as the rewiev said, but it could be a start to something that no one would wanna be without, have my doubts tho.
Im in a market for a tv and all the 3D tv reviews i have read so far say that its still a very good tv for the price even tho you will only use it in 2D, so why not. As far as i know the only difference between a normal tv and a 3D tv is that you need high enough Hz to be able to send double set of images, and a prosessor to handle 3D and a “transmitter” that tell the glasses when to black out each eye. And since the glasses have a small sunglass effect it needs to be abit brighter then normal.
When other models then the “top” models come with this the prices will probably drastically go down, and then it wont be much difference between 3D or 2D tv’s pricing.
Looking forward to 3D, just hope i wont go tired of it after 5 min as mentioned in an above post. Have a feeling that could happen tho.
Yeah, Lets do 3D and forget skidmarks… Not…
good point corey,i watch/play things in mere high definiton and i like it! :)
Yeah, really, Sony, this is a complete waste of time. There’s stuff you COULD be fixing or improving in GT5, like uh, I don’t know… DAMAGE MODELING? I don’t need 3D, I need GT5! I’m perfectly fine with my 26-inch 720p HDTV :3
I hate 3d
I was thrilled when I first heard it was going to be in 3d. Been thinking of buying a 3dtv and everything and enjoy Gran Turismo like it actually happened in my living room. But right now it feels like I really want to test it out first. I don’t want clip-book GT.
No plans on buying a 3d tv especially as soon as it comes out! There very expensive and im sure there will be alot of problems with then … the first models of most products are bad. and i think PD know that so there holding a very good product(meaning GT5) to sell a not so good one(3d tv and sony move), but that my opinion, So with that being said RELEASE THE GAME!
Because obviously everyone won’t be able to afford the new 3D televisions and only a portion of GT5 players will have HDTV’s, why not release 3D support in gt5 as downloadable free content as an option for free since not everyone will have 3D televisions. But i guess sony wants GT5 to already have 3D support which in turn is through the playstation 3 and also support the move controller but it is weird that this is obviously what is holding back the release of GT5 not till later this year.
Reading the article the first think I’m thinking about ist that maybe the demo played was not in 3D native, but a normal 2D demo, made in 3D by the TV!
In those cases the Pop up book effect is allways present.
That said, I think we should wait to see the ufficial 3D native game to comment on the quality of this feature!
I’m still optimistic! ;)
So this magical groundbreaking technology that has pushed GT5 back about a year is just meh… exactly what I expected.
if it’s like in AVATAR 3D it’s good…but otherwise i don’t think delay worth it.ESPECIALLY NOW.
Just like most people here, I can see where PD thought it might be cool to add 3d to the game. What makes it difficult for it to work for alot of us is that we dont own 3d tvs. Most of us just upgraded to bigger screen tv to get the larger screen and high def.
3d is cool enough in the theaters for a couple of hours but seriously…we are talking about playing a game for hour after hour. Surely, this gimmick would get boring. The thing that I think makes us not happy is the fact that Im sure 3d has delayed getting this game released to our hot little hands…and for those of us who could care less about this feature…it was the equivalent of having a knife stuck in your back.
C’mon, lets play the game already!!!!
I don’t get why GT5 would seem like a 2D pop up book experience. Surely it is rendered twice from two different viewpoints? Has anyone else said this? Maybe they are confusing the HUD overlay with the rest of the view?
Also how did you find this news on the 1UP Site?
It’s not in the news list:
http://www.1up.com/do/news?ct=NEWS&view=list
nor in the racing news:
http://www.1up.com/do/news?ct=NEWS&g=Racing
How many times did those companies and movie producers tried to use 3D but they “failed” countless times. But still they’re trying to improve it.
TBH, 3D gimmicks come and go since 1900’s or so, however, I’m so disappointed to hear that GT5 delayed due to gimmicks. Which means the game is already done but those gimmicks ruined the release.
“We want to have fun spending our time on gaming not by using so-called new experience like 3D or motion sensor. It’s just too much for that”
I remember (old guy) that colour monitors were not good enough and we would stick for a while with monochome to assure to be able to work a long time on a computer screen without issues.
Same applies with 3D, currently it is accelerating, not there yet (or better “maybe not yet”, since I did not judge for myself) but coming up fast. Who knows how fast we will all think it is old-fashioned not to have 3D?
Applications and technology are currently still in a fight, once they come together, not clear if they will prevail or just jump to the next step.
E3 will bring out the truth of how good or bad this is from people trying demo stations.
We should at least then be certain the latest build and actual retail spec TVs will be used.
Sony siad their spec wasnt finalised at CES when they showed this very same demonstration and at trade shows our for trade buyers.
People that follow AV related forums will be aware currently LED models dont seem to be as good with 3D as Panasonics and even Samsungs Plasma 3DTV models. LEDs can have crosstalk/ghosting in afterimages using 3D.
Its true that lack of content for 3DTV is a major problem but it is coming.
*The specs for 3D are on the official HDMI website.
Well, a week ago i tried one of those Samsung 3DTV running Monster vs. Alien 3D. But i was really disappointed with it. I prefer a really clean picture, with clean edges and 3D doesn`t provide me a clean picture.
So in GT5 you might gain a 3D effect, which is cool for the first 5 minutes, but you lose overall quality of the graphics.
10 years ago i was one of those nerds who bought a Elsa 3D Revelator. Remember ? 10 years ago it didn`t work well enough to create a new standard in gaming. Even today it still isn`t good enough. If 3D wants to create that standard, it has to be real 3D, not an illusion on a 2D screen. Something like VR or holograms :)
Besides i always feel totally stupif wearing those ugly shutter glasses.
I can see 3D as good “selling point” and it will make good publicity later when reviews of 3D TVs will always include test with GT5. I am not personally interested in 3D very much, though I love IMAX 3D and also Avatar was very impressive.
I will get more interested in 3D when it will interact with my own movement (maybe GT5 will with that Eye camera thingy?).
But one thing I still don’t understand – as far as I know, to transfer 3D from player (PS3 here) to TV, you gotta have HDMI version 1.4 on both ends, plus HDMI 1.4 cable – because it transfers approx. double amount of data at the same refresh rate in Hz. Or, will 3D be 30 Hz only?
It’s silly how they are trying to sell us 3D TVs, but there’s no “software” to use it with – no movies, no TV channels, almost no games… for movies the only codec capable of 3D that I am aware of is H.264/AVC Stereo High Profile (MVC, multi view camera), but I never see it mentioned anywhere…
(FYI, I am in Europe, not sure how the situation looks like e.g. in USA or Japan.)
Well the next TV I buy will be a 3DTV because I want the future proof it will offer and find for approx £300 premium it costs currently against other non 3D sets thats not bad value. I dont want or need to watch even a lot of stuff in 3D but at least I will have the option.
Besides my daughter loves the 3D movies as does my wife.
Its going to be bad for Sony if this game doesnt use 3D to good effect, so reading that the depth of field isnt that high or that it looks like layered 3D and to say its not bad or not any better is not forming a very good article about it either. Tell us straight if its great or if its useless. Does this article confirm that the 3DTV was using the full 3D version of the game or was it using the TVs 2D-3D conversion?
3D however is something some people see better than others and therefore its comments and opinions vary. Avatar is an example in how varied peoples comments and opinions are regards it. Id say to anyone that doubts that 3D effects can work to track down the Blu Ray 3D demo disc Panasonic are showing currently on thier 50″ Plasma. If you cant get or dont like the 3D from that your never going to enjoy 3D at all as its crystal clear.
The article also states that Motorstorm/Wipeout were in video form while Killzone was in actual game engine. Thats the wrong way round as Killzone 2 was shown in video form at previous conventions. Only Killzone 3 has been shown recently in 3D behind closed doors actually running and we already know Wipeout and Motorstorm were playable demos in the past.
I think we should some how tell every GT5 fan/person thinking of buying it to not buy it in 3D Sony will then realise there mistake in delaying the game and they wont do it again.
It seems that a lot of idio*** here don’t know how to read,
“GT5 was relatively easy to look at. This is thanks in large part to the game not using any strong depth of field effects. […] All objects in GT5, regardless of location, are rendered without any post-processing blur, so no matter where we looked on the screen, we could focus easily.”
so 3d works great with GT5.
Hate to say it guys, but I couldn’t stand the waiting anymore.
So I bought me a discount-copy of Need for Speed Shit. (No typo….)
And it’s a nice game. But that’s it: a game. Nothing more.
So still waiting for the real SIM thing: GT5 FOREVER!!!!!!!
what if sony/polyphony rocked up at e3 with a race driver’s helmet with a 3d visor, instead of a regular visor….
all the promotional images i saw that featured images of players/drivers, they were all wearing lids, i wouldn’t put it past them to unviel something similar.
back to reality, i’m just hoping for a close release date reveal at e3, and a new demo to hit psn
I don’t care if they spent 3 days or 3 months working on it, I’m not buying a 2nd TV for a game, this is something they could have had available for download after it’s release, then only the actual users of 3D would have it.
But It’s Sony, and GT. Whaddaya expect?
Again, I don’t get why people make such a big deal about 3D. Addition by subtraction is the method I’d prefer. Get 3D out! It may be the only deterrent before the final proper game is released. Of course, neither of us represent Sony or PD, so our bickering over 3D means next to nothing. Don’t have to use 3D, but don’t have to like it either. The only game I have that has this 3D deal in play is TrackMania United Forever and the useless 3D glasses it came with. Can’t imagine the same fate for a top-flight game series like Gran Turismo.
It’s makes pretty good sense that it will take some time before the 3D technology will be really good. It’s the same with colour-TV, took an awful lot of time before it would accurately represent the true colours. So GT5 is only the beginning here. Ten years from now (given that 3D TV becomes “the thing”) it is going to look a million times better. You can argue that it’s a waste of time to implement an unfinished technology into the game, but the lessons learned in this project will be valuable for future projects (GT6?).
And besides, GT5 is the property of PD/Sony, they are the artists here so let them finish their product in the way they envision. To cry for “release the game already, don’t add any more features to it!” is a bit like telling Mozart not to add another aria to the Magic Flute, just release the stupid opera…
3D is a complete and utter waste of time. I spoke at length about this with my sister and a group of her friends yesterday, all of which have been to see a variety of films in 3D lately, and even regarding Avatar, most a largely underwhelmed. I don’t care what people say about how it has been implemented, the idea is old, and it shows.
In the case of GT5, it was a pointless inclusion and, as already said, should have been patched in later, if at all.
Pretty much as expected… if movie studios with huge budgets and dedicated 3d theaters can’t pre render a 3d movie to look good 3D what were the chances a game system would be able to?
Hope half of the team has been working on the important game features in the meantime.
oh look, another crass attempt to tack on 3d technology,batman:arkham asylum game of the year edition did’nt work and neither will this,sony give it a rest and just launch gt5! :(
An disadvantage for us people with an EYE. When are they gonna making monoscopic 3D? D:
Don’t have a 3d tv, won’t be buying one. Still, 3D is a nice bullet point for their feature list, even though maybe 6 people will be able to take advantage of it.
So in other words, the 3D effect is not good. I have seen several footage in 3D and have to admit that not everything was impressive. When I visited the Sony Center in Berlin and tested the LX 3D effect I was really not impressed at all.
Like this review, the 3D picture was more of a 2D picture with more layers. It was not a virtual plastic experience. The shown PS3 games in 3D game were rather underwhelming.
Then I visited Zurich for the Sammy and the 3D effect was a lot better. There still was no sign of pop-out, but the deepth of the picture improved and in some parts in made good sense to have this 3rd dimension. Like when this polar bear was swimming from the back of the aquarium to the front. That looked really cool.
Finally, I had the opportunity to experience the Panasonic 3D effect in Austria. The glasses are horrible and the TV is fugly, but in terms of 3D effect the demo loop was amazing. There was a real 3D world I was watching and the objects popped out of the screen more than one time. That was spectacular and a real interactive 3D experience!
I am not sure if the demo material was the key factor or if the Plasma/Panasonic technology made the difference. Undoubtly, 3D can be sexy, but it has to be implemented gainfully.
As many reports indicate, Sony still has some work to do in regards of 3D quality.
It’s a total different experience if you watch more 2D layers in a “3D” picture or if you really get to see this natural, virtual 3D world.
3D should have been a patch.
3D was such a waste of time on GT5’s development, i heard talk that the resolution will have to be dropped and frame rates halved to compensate for the double rendering for stupid 3D, yeah mad pointless feature…
3d will just disappear again, just lke it did before in the 80s, complete waste of time.
Sony should take those 3D glasses off so they can see how mad we are over this….not since buckner have I seen such an epic fail….red sox comeback season for the win!!!!
@IronM@sk
Lets have some epic “Meh!” before the game come out.
“the game looked as if it was composed of several 2D images layered on top of each other.”
Makes me wannna cry!!!
U see just like I said 3D is a technological fail especially in games stupid 3D why couldn’t have just stayed dead in the 50’s where it belongs….we are waiting for the worlds best racing game for a feature that doesn’t even look good wtf! Sony has had a bunch hits but this is gunna be a bonafide miss….
Right so gimmicks like this are why I can’t play GT5 yet. Where’s my Forza 3 disc????
Frustrating! I really feel that GT5 doesn’t need the gimmick of 3D (especially after this ho-hum review). It’s a great game series that works quite well in 2D. I wish there was the option of buying the 2D version now, and a ‘premium’ 3D version later for the small group of interested customers.
:D news like this make me smile
heck yeh all i need now is a 3d tv then get the game
3D brings about in me an enourmous, overwealming and intense feeling of ‘meh’…