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I took out the tuned Viper around Suzuka. DS3 + TCS at zero - it is like trying to contain a rabid rottweiller 
. So I pushed the TCS out to 5 and turned on the ASM 
and that made a big difference. I cannot get this beast around the hairpin, probably losing a few seconds at that point alone. The more careful that I drove the faster I became and even though I began to get a rythmn, I think this car is not for myself. I will try again tomorrow but maybe I just need a wheel.....
. So I pushed the TCS out to 5 and turned on the ASM and that made a big difference. I cannot get this beast around the hairpin, probably losing a few seconds at that point alone. The more careful that I drove the faster I became and even though I began to get a rythmn, I think this car is not for myself. I will try again tomorrow but maybe I just need a wheel.....
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Morning TLD I used your tune up fo the EVO X in Saturday's forum race and it was superb:tup:, stacks of grip, no understeer and plenty of acceleration muchly appreciated cheers
I was also racing in the Suzuki Swift Sport races last night and again I used your tune up, what a fun and nippy little car, handled like it was on rails.
Another satisfied GTP_'er.
Thanks
Holden I implore you to publish this tune asap! After seeing what Sphinx managed to squeeze out of it on saturday I've realised just how lacking my current setup is.
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I took out the tuned Viper around Suzuka. DS3 + TCS at zero - it is like trying to contain a rabid rottweiller
The Viper, like the Ford GT, requires a delicate handling of the throttle.
If n4hs's Viper is not your thing, you might want to give mine a go. It is more forgiveable for power-induced oversteering. It might be a bit slower too (I haven't tried n4hs's tune yet, so I can't judge that). If that one doesn't work either, perhaps the Viper is just not your car. I myself hate the Ford GT, can't get myself to drive that beast. Respect to those that can control it and get decent times. đź‘Ť@P3nT4gR4m: I know for a fact loads of people are practically begging for a good Evo X!
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The Viper, like the Ford GT, requires a delicate handling of the throttle.
@P3nT4gR4m: I know for a fact loads of people are practically begging for a good Evo X!
I thought mine WAS a good Evo X - I've won plenty races in it but when I saw sphinx shoot 136 round 200R I realised a rethink was in order. Hell a setup like that might even make me clioproof
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Well I didn't beg for it I just requested it to N4HS, and as much as I love the Evo X it's just not as fun to drive as the M3, and as I only go online for the fun I think I might stick to it, I should do a review of the Evo X, it's just so easy to drive and the cornering speeds are beyond me.
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Thanks for trying my tunes.đź‘Ť There is not even a slight chance that the AM Vette will work on pro and standard physics sorry. Can you please choose which physics you'd like it tuned for?
LOL, sounds like fun.
The description does pretty much some up this car, i didn't have all that long to play with the 'Vette, but 5 laps was plenty enough to realise how good the car is.
There's alot of easy to drive cars and there's alot of fast cars but few fast and easy to drive cars. This is one of those few. I hadn't had much time on GT5P the last few days, so jumping into a new car with an unknown tune felt risky, my feelings were quickly proved wrong. The car appears to be set up primarily for cornering (i knew this from the choice to remove as much weight and increase downforce as much as possible, someones been paying attention to feedback) and corner it does, brilliantly at that. It feels much different to my usual car for this class, the Amuse S2000, much more conrollable then its japanese rival without being much slower, infact my lap times were only around a second off my normal pace.
I could blabber on like a normally do about how good at everything it is, but i don't have the time. My only worry is that i'm not sure how confidently i could overtake in it in an online environment. Sure its fast, but it has no particular outstanding point on the track (Suzuka) it's almost to good an all rounder i feel. I strongly believe this is just me doubting my own ability rather then doubting the car.
My only other slight criticism, which again is largely opinion, so i wont penalise the cars rating, but being such a good, grippy car, makes it less rewarding to drive. Yes i know the idea is to make it easy to drive, but we all like a challenge.
Either way, this is a fantastic, i can't stress that enough with the time available and for the ease of use combined with a higher then average speed, it deserves its rating and respect.
9/10
Thanks for the comments and review.đź‘Ť "Hire a Driver" has come in handy already.
Although you must be one hell of a driver to think this is too easy. I mean it's good and controllable but still very easy to step the tail out if you're not careful. I also think that the run from the esses at Suzuka to the end of sector 1 is a great place for overtakes, many a times I did it there. In fact, brakes are good too, I could overtake anyone under brakes in this, and straights aren't bad with the light weight and big torque. I think if anything, it seems like an all-rounder but is in fact perhaps stronger than nearly any car throughout the entire track. Only lost a race once in it so far, because of punters.Try the GT-R then, use standard physics if neccessary. It will win by a good few seconds.
Bout the same as my time in it.
But it's not the fastest, the Clio/Tuned is, which thanks to a customer is coming soon. Thankyou for the kind comments.More reassurance it's better than before.đź‘Ť I wouldn't have thought it was good at the oval, but if you say so.
I recommend using 4th gear, and just going wide open throttle through nearly the entire esses. It's what I do. If either gear gets longer or shorter it will mess up the car in other ways, I've already attempted to fix this in the past- but I think the gears now are a good setup anyway.
^Hmm, seems your "Sponsorship" of the Swift Cup is paying off Holden
Gotta know how to run a business to be a successful businessman.
Good to hear you like it.đź‘Ť It's not my favourite car, but that has nothing to do with its performance. Thankyou for driving my tune.
Good thing we made that deal eh?
MKT and TLD working together will be great when the time comes.I'm working on it already, for 650 PP, I'll put it officially on my list of request cars.
Morning TLD I used your tune up fo the EVO X in Saturday's forum race and it was superb:tup:, stacks of grip, no understeer and plenty of acceleration muchly appreciated cheers
I was also racing in the Suzuki Swift Sport races last night and again I used your tune up, what a fun and nippy little car, handled like it was on rails.
Another satisfied GTP_'er.
Thanks
W00t.
I took out the tuned Viper around Suzuka. DS3 + TCS at zero - it is like trying to contain a rabid rottweiller
Maybe it is not the car for you, it won't get much more controllable without making more understeer which I still feel is the car's biggest downfall.
OK, I will send it to our paint shop specialists for the application of TLD decals.
Not my Clio, a good 3sec faster than my Evo X at Suzuka.
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Not my Clio, a good 3sec faster than my Evo X at Suzuka.
I kinda want the level playing field that driving on of these things will give me but I don't know if I can suffer the indignity of crawling through the suzuka esses like they do. I'm like a damn bullet through that section, even in an NSX but I always find I have to drop a gear and hang back because there's someone in a tuned clio dawdling along in front of me.
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I took out the tuned Viper around Suzuka. DS3 + TCS at zero - it is like trying to contain a rabid rottweiller
It just takes a bit of practice to get used to it. The Viper does not have the smooth, grippy feel of the Vette. It feels very raw, but in a really awesome way. It is by far and away my car of choice for racing online now.
Time Trial: All Aids=OFF
ABS=1
Online Race: ASM=1
TC=1
ABS=1
You can have a good race with all aids turned off if everyone is racing clean. We know those types of races are few and far between so I usually turn the aids to 1 to lessen the likelihood of spinning out after someone bumps, punts, or rams me.
The Tuned Viper is considerably faster with all aids turned off!!!
I practiced a bit tonight. My lap times are really improving each day. I had a particularly good run in the PP750 Time Trials and busted out a low 2.02.xxx. đź‘Ť
On that lap, I gassed it a little too hard coming out of the Spoon Curve and got loose bad enough that I had to lift and swing the wheel back and forth to get it back under control. (The back end was all over the place and I almost/should have spun out.) Had I been more careful, there is no doubt that I would have easily broken into the 2.01.xxx's.
The Tuned Viper is definitely not for everyone. It can be pushed hard to a certain degree but it is certainly not as forgiving as the S2K or the Vette. Good throttle management is the key to success here...much like in the GT LM.
Tips for the S-Curves:
To begin with, getting a good line out of T1 is critical. Basically, the fastest way I get through is to carefully go full throttle as soon as I get the car straight and lined up for the next corner. (Minimize turning/maximize straight-line acceleration) Tap the brake, turn in hugging (but not on) the curbing, and smoothly go full throttle again as soon as you get completely straighted out. Like you said, it is all rhythm. I do almost the entire section in second gear. It is OK to give it a little gas in the turns, but don't go crazy till you straighten out. The brief times you could upshift will just waste time. Go a tad bit wide before Dunlop and cut in left over the curbing. Shift to 3rd and SLOWLY apply the throttle. Accelerate straight out towards the outside curbing using the entire width of the track before you cut back left to line up for the entry into Degner. If you do it right, you can shave some MAJOR time in this section alone. If you come out at a bad angle, you will not be able to accelerate as quickly as you will have to turn more. Again, getting straight out of Dunlop is key.
Tips I learned for the Hairpin:
For some reason, the Viper seems to brake longer into the Hairpin section...for me at least. (Avoiding the grass to the right of the braking zone is A MUST in this car!!!) Brake earlier than your instincts tell you. Let the car slow to almost a crawl at the sharp turn-around. Try to hug the inside curbing...but don't touch it...and let the car corner using its forward momentum. Once the car is almost straightened out, you can begin to smoothly apply pressure to the throttle. Don't hammer-on!!! You WILL spin. The hairpin can be taken in 2nd gear if you want to reduce your chances of wheelspin but I accelerate out smoothly from 1st because I usually engine brake all the way down to stop in time to make the turn-in. Also, you might want to shift into 2nd a bit earlier as you accelerate out to account for excessive wheelspin as you are going uphill here.
Watch a replay and you will see that you are negotiating the hairpin section MUCH faster than it feels like.
Your lap times, as well as overall control of the car will definitely improve with a wheel. It is easy to see who uses a wheel and who uses a controller when racing online. The controller guys cars are usually pretty "jerky" as they need to make more subtle adjustments whereas the wheel users cars appear much smoother.
I use the G-25. It feels wicked on PC sims, but not as good on GT5. The Driving Force Pro feels much better with the GT series imo. The Force Feedback is better in this game and will improve your "feel" of what your car is doing over the G-25. If you don't have the cash, the DFP would serve you very well. I am always faster with the paddles in GT because there is no clutch adjustment in this game. I tend to blow a lot of downshifts because of this. I have always done better in time trials and online races with the DFP. I just prefer the sturdier, and more realistic pedals on the G-25.
Just practice a bit. You will get the hang of it soon enough. Getting fast times in a car like this will make you better in just about every other car out there. Good luck.
Okay, I just really would like to learn to drive the car more since it looks so cool inside and out and the top down cockpit view is spectacular. I'm leaning towards pro physics even though I don't have a ton of experience outside of std physics. Use your judgment: unless you feel there is really a reason to go std physics with this particular car, set it up for Pro at whichever PP you feel has a decent chance in the current online races lineup. The car is clay in your hands! I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do.
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I'd say you're better off learning Pro Physics. The std physics will teach you too many bad habits cos you can get away with murder on that setup. You can move from pro physics back to standard very easily, since standard is just dumbed down pro, but it's hard as hell to go from standard to pro.
Also stay away from aids in pro physics, especially TCS. Traction control will actually hinder your ability to correct oversteer-related mistakes, since it cuts the revs, usually exactly when you need them.
Also stay away from aids in pro physics, especially TCS. Traction control will actually hinder your ability to correct oversteer-related mistakes, since it cuts the revs, usually exactly when you need them.
Agreed- I always race with TSC to 0 and ABS at 1 and no other aids. I just cut my teeth on the offline events and almost all of these were std physics, so I guess it's onto the next challenge. I'm sure I'll learn to love pro. I have a pretty elaborate racing chair sim rig set up with stereo and sub tactile feedback and a Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo wheel w/ H shifter and clutch, and I can really feel the cars underneath me when the iVibe and Buttkicker gamer are tweaked properly. I already noticed there is MUCH more info available just by turning off the TCS. I can feel the car much more (literally- I would not be surprised if they programmed in more road noise/suspension feedback without the TCS, because the cars rumble differently and more directly with it off.) I'll bet pro physics is the next level up.
My only objection to Pro in my initial thinking is the AM Vette is so cool looking it makes a great demo car for guests to check out when the come over, but at pro physics it might be a steep learning curve for newbies. Oh well, the game is for me anyway after all. I can always step others down to a 4WD car or switch the AM Vette to std for them.
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@ PlusP357, wow, great response, thank you.
I realise just how much faster the Tuned Viper is with aid off (=Rottweiller) verses aids on (= Spaniel) , but I am really struggling to get a feel of the throttle (using a DS3) with this car. It seems to exaggerate the on/off sense of throttle but I am going to keep at it because I think it has the potential to be a fulfilling drive.
Driving this car has made me realise that I now have to get a wheel. I am looking at some of those seat + G25 fold-away setups, I just need to find the time to test a couple out.
@ PlusP357, wow, great response, thank you.
I realise just how much faster the Tuned Viper is with aid off (=Rottweiller) verses aids on (= Spaniel)
, but I am really struggling to get a feel of the throttle (using a DS3) with this car. It seems to exaggerate the on/off sense of throttle but I am going to keep at it because I think it has the potential to be a fulfilling drive. Driving this car has made me realise that I now have to get a wheel. I am looking at some of those seat + G25 fold-away setups, I just need to find the time to test a couple out.
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There's no substitute for a wheel and pedals setup but you can do a lot with the controller. I had the ford GT down pat on GT4 but you have to tweak your style accordingly - lot of powerslides and liberal use of countersteer, which is a total doddle with the DS.
Problem is this is a much slower way of approaching most corners. Funny tho, now that I've got my G25 I find myself bricking it from making the kinda moves I did with the DS. I guess I'll get there tho. I've done a couple of really fast slides on t1/t2 of suzuka in freerun with both the tuned GT and the NSX and the more times I get away with it the more confidence it gives me.
Problem is this is a much slower way of approaching most corners. Funny tho, now that I've got my G25 I find myself bricking it from making the kinda moves I did with the DS. I guess I'll get there tho. I've done a couple of really fast slides on t1/t2 of suzuka in freerun with both the tuned GT and the NSX and the more times I get away with it the more confidence it gives me.
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This evening I drove a few laps with the viper. General handling is really great. Only problem I have with it that it has a lot of understeer which make the car suffer in de S's, the long lefthander after the S's and the 130R. I think the medium to highspeed corners. I think it can be faster if its has a little less understeer. For the rest nice drive đź‘Ť
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galgospeed
This evening I drove a few laps with the viper. General handling is really great. Only problem I have with it that it has a lot of understeer which make the car suffer in de S's, the long lefthander after the S's and the 130R. I think the medium to highspeed corners. I think it can be faster if its has a little less understeer. For the rest nice drive đź‘Ť
kind regards,
galgospeed
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I absolutely love the G25, especially the brake/gas paddles, they're very sturdy.
The only thing I really miss is the 4 way switch button thingy as the wheel only has 2 buttons so I cant flip between left right rear view to check who is next to me. My advise think very carefully before you invest in a G25.
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great post Blitz Dunlop ER34 '07 would be appreciated thx.
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Pro physics it is. I'm waiting to see what the new eventswill be though for what PP.
I'm not really good with drift setups, I don't know how what gets affected by what, so hopefully for your sake and others someone who is knowledgable in drifting will start tuning soon.
You want less understeer or more oversteer.........oh wait, they are the same.
The nice balance for ease of use will stay, because I dare not try for less understeer otherwise it will become uncontrollable.great post Blitz Dunlop ER34 '07 would be appreciated thx.
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TLD Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X Eiger Special
(236kw) (430Nm) (1416kg) (600 PP) (Pro/Standard Physics)
(236kw) (430Nm) (1416kg) (600 PP) (Pro/Standard Physics)
Performance:
Power: 0
Weight: 92%
Tyres: R3
Settings:
Suspension:
Ride Height: -40/-40
Spring Rates: 5/3
Damper: 3/5
Toe: -0.10/-0.20
Camber: 1.4/1.0
Brake Balance: 1/8
Max Turn Angle: 40
All driving aids up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1
Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.674
2nd: 2.380
3rd: 1.768
4th: 1.350
5th: 1.051
6th: 0.819
Final: 5.024
Description: Many have asked for it, and now here it is, the TLD Evo X. The AWD system makes it easier than anything to drive, and it's also fairly fast, making this more punter proof than other cars found in our tune shop. Now I can't think of anything else to say, so get out there and drive it.
Note also, this tune will work on any track, just the Final Drive would need changing.
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Sorry, I should have been more clear but my post was getting to be too long.
With holden's setup, it is perfectly fine to run around/across/along the curbing in the Tuned Viper. Rarely does this upset the car once you learn how the car is going to react. I run along and over the curbing frequently as that is the only way of attaining good lap times. The curbing is also a great "tool" to increase deceleration without using the brakes. However, I've put in a considerable number of Hot Laps with this car and I have learned where I can apply the throttle on the curbing (and to what degree) and where I must get back onto the pavement before I can even think about accelerating. Unfortunately, I can't explain when and where as it is all "feel".
It is extremely important that one shows the utmost care when increasing any throttle inputs (in the Viper) when the rear wheels are are touching the curbing. The car is very sensitive to wheelspin when accelerating and can get "wonky" very easily. As a matter of fact, I could easily say that 90% of my "spins" are caused by improper throttle application while touching the curbing. (Mostly the curbing on the outside of Dunlop, if I run too wide, and the curbing on the inside of the Hairpin, if I accelerate while touching the edge of it.) I have encountered a number of situations where the curbing has caused some loss of control under deceleration when it would not have occurred in other similar cars...but these are few and far between.
Like any car, it is all about knowing the vehicle's limits, its strengths, and its weaknesses and applying that knowledge on the track.
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Curbing should make it a bit harder to get traction, as kerbs are simply painted cement normally, meaning a slippery surface. I think that with the inside wheel on the curbs it might make the outside wheels turn faster than the inside ones because the outside ones would then have more grip (therefore giving a tighter turn radius). But I think you should be off the curb before you think about applying too much throttle.
By the way, does anyone feel like there's something I'm not doing for the GTP community as a tuner that I should be? The quality of my tunes aren't slipping are they? I feel like I'm doing something wrong.
By the way, does anyone feel like there's something I'm not doing for the GTP community as a tuner that I should be? The quality of my tunes aren't slipping are they?
I feel like I'm doing something wrong.
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What on earth are you talking about? You're sharing your knowledge (very succesfully I must add), what else can you do? Besides free Australian beer for everyone ofcourse.By the way, does anyone feel like there's something I'm not doing for the GTP community as a tuner that I should be? The quality of my tunes aren't slipping are they?
Curbing should make it a bit harder to get traction, as kerbs are simply painted cement normally, meaning a slippery surface. I think that with the inside wheel on the curbs it might make the outside wheels turn faster than the inside ones because the outside ones would then have more grip (therefore giving a tighter turn radius). But I think you should be off the curb before you think about applying too much throttle.
By the way, does anyone feel like there's something I'm not doing for the GTP community as a tuner that I should be? The quality of my tunes aren't slipping are they?
You kidding mate? You're doing a top job! đź‘Ť Personal tunes, great "customer" service...you couldn't be doing a better job IMHO. Keep up the good work!
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Yes, but I know for a fact that 2 of my recent tunes, while better than stock, don't seem to be quite extracting the potential of the vehicle based on recent reviews and/or comments. Quality for some reason is slipping, and most people will tell you my knowledge doesn't mean much. Ever wondered why moderators never post in any of my threads, but do in others? In fact, mods normally ignore me completely unless I ask them a direct question. Just some food for thought.
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