GT5P [Spec II]: Ferrai F40 with wrong HP and weight in QT menu

Rocket Punch

Rocket Punch

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RocketPunch1221
RRoD? no thanks.
This must be a programming error.

In the Japanese version, the HP rating is off and weight is way off in the QT menu than what is shown in the show room, especially the weight which is off by +252kg (+556lb). So I've been racing with my whole family + the dog in this car all along, thats why its slow...lol. Well I haven't check the other cars, but I am sure there is more like this. Lets hope they fix it for GT5.

>>> Can someone confirm this error also exist in the Euro version? Thanks. <<<

The show room spec is correct.
 
I'll have a look, I noticed your sig, 'real crashing simulator' lol it's so true, but it makes it easy to win most of the time.
 
Well, i forgot I sold my F40 last night, but it was because it handled like a brick in a tidal wave, so maybe it does weigh more.
 
Gran Turismo has always been rather misleading about the vehicle data being displayed. While based on GT4, this thread might help explain the difference you’re seeing.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60076

I think a similar thing is happening in GT5P where the showroom figures (manufacturer PR) may differ from the actual number hard coded into the game—presumably the ones shown in the quick tune screen.
 
gundalini
Yep 1100 kg showroom, 1352 kg QTS.
Pal Aus Version.
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Thanks for checking.

At first I thought the QTS is showing the race weight (driver+fuel), but it is not....:indiff:

ALPHA
Gran Turismo has always been rather misleading about the vehicle data being displayed. While based on GT4, this thread might help explain the difference you&#8217;re seeing.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60076

I think a similar thing is happening in GT5P where the showroom figures (manufacturer PR) may differ from the actual number hard coded into the game&#8212;presumably the ones shown in the quick tune screen.
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...but the F40 is a stock car. I can understand a little difference in HP, but a 252kg difference in weight on a 1100kg car is unacceptable.
 
So is it just a simple error in the weight numbers or does the F40 actually weigh more in the JPN version of the game, thus making it slower? If so, thats not good, not good at all. I'm confused on whether it's actually slower or you guys are just joking around.
 
casey_2005
So is it just a simple error in the weight numbers or does the F40 actually weigh more in the JPN version of the game, thus making it slower? If so, thats not good, not good at all. I'm confused on whether it's actually slower or you guys are just joking around.
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This is where the problem lies. The data we all see in the show room spec is a non active part of the gaming code, so if there is an error there, it should not affect the game's engine.

The problem is the error occur in the QTS, which is part of the game's engine code; so I guess we all have to bring our family along when driving the F40...:indiff:
 
Big family or big dog Rocktet? lol
No seriously it is a problem i havn't had a chance to check other cars yet.
Perhaps an update will fix it and any other glitches not yet found.
 
nah, i don't wan't to bring my family along racing. I'll think of it as 250 kilos of that green stuff, and im racing to deliver it the fastest, that should make up for the extra weight :dunce:
 
Rocket Punch
This must be a programming error.

In the Japanese version, the HP rating is off and weight is way off in the QT menu than what is shown in the show room, especially the weight which is off by +252kg (+556lb). So I've been racing with my whole family + the dog in this car all along, thats why its slow...lol. Well I haven't check the other cars, but I am sure there is more like this. Lets hope they fix it for GT5.

>>> Can someone confirm this error also exist in the Euro version? Thanks. <<<

The show room spec is correct.
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show room weight, is dry weight the car has no fuel or passenger.

although 252kg is alot for a driver (say between 60-80kg) plus fuel (not sure the size of the tank)

but this could be one of the reason.
 
Yellowmc
Curb weight of an F40 is 1100kg.

A mistake somewhere.
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i was under the impression it was just the weight of the vehicle (dry weight), not the curb weight, no where have i seen it state it is the curb weight (in the dealership menu). but then i have the j-spec gt5p, and my Japanese isn't that great
 
Slightly of topic here, but the gearing in the F40 also seems to be wrong. Oh the ratios thats displayed in Quick Tune seems to be correct, but 190km/h in second and a top speed of over 420km/h seems slightly suspect.
 
Yeah, I was about to post this very same thing, the gear ratios seem to be wrong, also the weight is way off, 252KG worth of family heavier than in real life. That's why the F40 feels like a lazy shoebox.
 
Hiroke
Slightly of topic here, but the gearing in the F40 also seems to be wrong. Oh the ratios thats displayed in Quick Tune seems to be correct, but 190km/h in second and a top speed of over 420km/h seems slightly suspect.
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Top speed should be 324km/h, so it is off by 100km/h......:ill:
 
Rocket Punch
Thanks for checking.

At first I thought the QTS is showing the race weight (driver+fuel), but it is not....:indiff:



...but the F40 is a stock car. I can understand a little difference in HP, but a 252kg difference in weight on a 1100kg car is unacceptable.
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Maybe GT used Driver + Fuel options?

Nehh

Any other cars that are screwed?
 
Hiroke
Slightly of topic here, but the gearing in the F40 also seems to be wrong. Oh the ratios thats displayed in Quick Tune seems to be correct, but 190km/h in second and a top speed of over 420km/h seems slightly suspect.
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there is nothing wrong with the gearing setup.

f40 final gear is something like 2.9, so if it has the power it can have a top speed of over 400km/hr.. but in real like it only has the power to reach a top speed of 324 kph / 201.3 mph.

Just to give you another example go drive the c6 corvette z06 and see what its top speed is then check out its final gear. it is able to go to a higher top speed but only if it has extra power.

Also if you check out different source, the weight of the F40 varies for example my source states the weight is 1200kg
 
curb weight of the car depends on country and manufacturer... some countries have laws on what you have to include in curb weight... some standardize weight of the driver and how much fuel is in the tank.

Also usually quoted curb weight is for car with base equipment. extra equipment adds weight and is usually not quoted anywhere...
 
tuninghouse
there is nothing wrong with the gearing setup.

f40 final gear is something like 2.9, so if it has the power it can have a top speed of over 400km/hr.. but in real like it only has the power to reach a top speed of 324 kph / 201.3 mph.

Just to give you another example go drive the c6 corvette z06 and see what its top speed is then check out its final gear. it is able to go to a higher top speed but only if it has extra power.

Also if you check out different source, the weight of the F40 varies for example my source states the weight is 1200kg
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I also found the weight varies from 1100~1352kg, however, 1100kg is the official weight from Ferrari website.

Like Hiroke, I also feel the speed is an error. If you are correct then it will imply F40's 201 mph top is done without even topping 4th gear? Because according to the QTS, top of 4th at the correct gear ratio and correct final drive is 218 mph. That doesn't make sense to me.



I have that DVD, its a must have! 👍
 
A bit off-topic again (sorry about that) but since Rocket Punch posted a video I thought I might as well post this here as well...

 
Rocket Punch
I also found the weight varies from 1100~1352kg, however, 1100kg is the official weight from Ferrari website.

Like Hiroke, I also feel the speed is an error. If you are correct then it will imply F40's 201 mph top is done without even topping 4th gear? Because according to the QTS, top of 4th at the correct gear ratio and correct final drive is 218 mph. That doesn't make sense to me.



I have that DVD, its a must have! 👍
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The correct weight is 1100 kg, however the US version added weight to comply with American safety regulations.
 
pegon
The correct weight is 1100 kg, however the US version added weight to comply with American safety regulations.
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I knew eventually someone will bring this point up. The F40 in GT5P is NOT an US Version F40, I actually have the owners manual of the US spec F40 in front of me. I would agree with you IF this is an US Spec F40 which actually weights 1350kg according to the owner's manual, but what currently in GT5P is not.

A) The side window is actually from the Prototype F40 and the US Spec car had some fugly rubber bumper front and back.

B) Only for USA did Ferrari create these special USA versions, which actually cost them millions to retool the factory and not to mention an additional $50k on every US Spec car. Both the JPN and Euro Version of GT5P had 1352kg as weight in QTS vs 1100kg in show room spec, so the weight in the game is wrong.
 
This is obviously a old thread but I was looking at a F40 for sale (or was) and noticed this

FA01F40198919c.jpg

http://www.ferrari-forsale.com/F40-1989-ForSale


From Nigel Mansells old 1989 F40, Thats a long way from 1100kg's. Also shows us the weight distribution.
 
Wouldn't that plaque be the car's max loaded weight?

My theory was that it's overweight so that it can only be lowered to the real weight. At 85%, it's roughly the correct weight. That way you can't have a 'tuner' F40. You can't raise the power on the car much above stock either (+10 IIRC).

As for the gearing, I changed the final to a 3.400 and it responded more like it should, using all 5 gears. All the literature I can find says 2.9 is the real car's final gearing.
 

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