Gran Turismo Touge Championship (GTTC) *Dead until further notice*
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- Gr3yKn1ght
No, no one is allowed to use cars such as, RE Amemiya RX-7, NISMO series, Spoon series, MUGEN series. In GT5 you can't use parts from tuning companies because they are not in there, just their cars. In official runs, if you show up with a MUGEN S2000 for example, you won't run. Tune a premium S2000 with the parts you want in the tuning shop, that's fine.
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- Perth, Australi
- GTP_TimberW
Alongside this GTTC, TOSS is proud to present: Legend of the Streets (Pre-Season)
I think it'll nicely complement GTTC. Keep you guys busy before GTTC launches their first competition.
I think it'll nicely complement GTTC. Keep you guys busy before GTTC launches their first competition.
I would like to bring a case against power limiting being restricted. Seeing that we are trying to adhere to a realistic representation of the sport, it is reverse logic to not allow (street level) tuner cars, the number of cars per person (because in real grass roots a guy will only have one car) or restrict tuning through limiting the power restrictor, but run done up trannies. I'm not bringing up the transmission thing again, its just leverage for my argument 
. In a real world setting this would amount to going out and buying a used ek9 civic for $3000 and then spending $12000 on a race spec transmission with adjusted ratios for the stock ek9 motor. Even then if you didn't like your ratios it wouldn't be a matter of popping it open and "adjusting" anything, you would need new gears cut, and then try those...and so on. As a person that doesn't use custom transmissions in anything below class N level racing I tune differently, and I can explain best by example. lets say I'm in the 420 bracket and tuning a S2k. I wanted a tune that would allow me the highest low end torque available and I managed a tune of 207hp/202ft/lbs. With this tune the car does what I was looking for, yes I lost about 21hp of the top end but I almost gained 60 ft/lbs and it comes 2000 rpm sooner. Anyone can do this just messing around in the tuning menu but what results is in me having to set my restriction to 68% to allow this tune.
"you can't detune to %68 of a vehicle's power in real life! thats unrealistic!" And running race spec transmission upgrades in "street" cars is? Actually its much easier to detune then one might first think. Having a simple upgrade like a programmable ecu (such as Hondata for, well, you know) allows you to rob power from the motor just as much as add. Boost controller says hi. On newer vehicles with high compression setups that require high octane gas, its just a matter of putting in regular and the computer and knock sensor will roll back the timing enough to operate the fuel in a safe manner but at the cost of performance.
All I'm saying is that if we're running something like custom transmissions, then it should be more then allowable to mess with tuning like I described above.
It was brought up that this is in place not to allow particular cars in lower PP brackets, but this does not hold much merit if we look at what we're running (vehicle wise; no race cars, and that we're not allowed street level tuner cars). Even if we included tuner cars, the fear that a car will come into lets say a 420 bracket and smoke everyone because its detuned (but superior ?) has very little possibility. Imagine a Mine's lancer being tuned to run in the 460PP bracket. It would have to be restricted so much that I think it would suffer and it would be smarter to run something else tuned to that PP. Therefore this whole thing about there being a restriction of the power limiting because it would be beneficial to the point of unfairness, is not true.
I ask that you reconsider the restriction on power limiting for the purpose of more open tuning options and therefore being more "realistic".
Thanks for reading my annoying wall of text
. In a real world setting this would amount to going out and buying a used ek9 civic for $3000 and then spending $12000 on a race spec transmission with adjusted ratios for the stock ek9 motor. Even then if you didn't like your ratios it wouldn't be a matter of popping it open and "adjusting" anything, you would need new gears cut, and then try those...and so on. As a person that doesn't use custom transmissions in anything below class N level racing I tune differently, and I can explain best by example. lets say I'm in the 420 bracket and tuning a S2k. I wanted a tune that would allow me the highest low end torque available and I managed a tune of 207hp/202ft/lbs. With this tune the car does what I was looking for, yes I lost about 21hp of the top end but I almost gained 60 ft/lbs and it comes 2000 rpm sooner. Anyone can do this just messing around in the tuning menu but what results is in me having to set my restriction to 68% to allow this tune."you can't detune to %68 of a vehicle's power in real life! thats unrealistic!" And running race spec transmission upgrades in "street" cars is? Actually its much easier to detune then one might first think. Having a simple upgrade like a programmable ecu (such as Hondata for, well, you know) allows you to rob power from the motor just as much as add. Boost controller says hi. On newer vehicles with high compression setups that require high octane gas, its just a matter of putting in regular and the computer and knock sensor will roll back the timing enough to operate the fuel in a safe manner but at the cost of performance.
All I'm saying is that if we're running something like custom transmissions, then it should be more then allowable to mess with tuning like I described above.
It was brought up that this is in place not to allow particular cars in lower PP brackets, but this does not hold much merit if we look at what we're running (vehicle wise; no race cars, and that we're not allowed street level tuner cars). Even if we included tuner cars, the fear that a car will come into lets say a 420 bracket and smoke everyone because its detuned (but superior ?) has very little possibility. Imagine a Mine's lancer being tuned to run in the 460PP bracket. It would have to be restricted so much that I think it would suffer and it would be smarter to run something else tuned to that PP. Therefore this whole thing about there being a restriction of the power limiting because it would be beneficial to the point of unfairness, is not true.
I ask that you reconsider the restriction on power limiting for the purpose of more open tuning options and therefore being more "realistic".
Thanks for reading my annoying wall of text
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- RotaryDragon
The problem that some people have with power limiting (including myself to a certain point) is that the PP system makes it so that detuning higher PP cars often makes them faster and better equipped than "regular" cars of the same level, giving you an advantage on the field. One solution could be to allow the use of the power limiter but restricting cars that are over the PP limit when they are stock to be used. For example, I could race an Evo IV in the 460PP class even if I tuned it to 520PP and then restricted it but I couldn't race an Evo X because it has more than 460PP in the dealership. Then again we probably would have to test the effects of such measures on lap times.
Regarding the realism aspect of your opinion, you are probably right that it should be allowed considering the standards that we have established. All in all, we'll have to balance realism and the fun of having multiple tuning options available. It's true that having more control over the powerband of the cars could be interesting.
Regarding the realism aspect of your opinion, you are probably right that it should be allowed considering the standards that we have established. All in all, we'll have to balance realism and the fun of having multiple tuning options available. It's true that having more control over the powerband of the cars could be interesting.
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- Gr3yKn1ght
I would like to bring a case against power limiting being restricted. Seeing that we are trying to adhere to a realistic representation of the sport, it is reverse logic to not allow (street level) tuner cars, the number of cars per person (because in real grass roots a guy will only have one car) or restrict tuning through limiting the power restrictor, but run done up trannies. I'm not bringing up the transmission thing again, its just leverage for my argument
"you can't detune to %68 of a vehicle's power in real life! thats unrealistic!" And running race spec transmission upgrades in "street" cars is? Actually its much easier to detune then one might first think. Having a simple upgrade like a programmable ecu (such as Hondata for, well, you know) allows you to rob power from the motor just as much as add. Boost controller says hi. On newer vehicles with high compression setups that require high octane gas, its just a matter of putting in regular and the computer and knock sensor will roll back the timing enough to operate the fuel in a safe manner but at the cost of performance.
All I'm saying is that if we're running something like custom transmissions, then it should be more then allowable to mess with tuning like I described above.
It was brought up that this is in place not to allow particular cars in lower PP brackets, but this does not hold much merit if we look at what we're running (vehicle wise; no race cars, and that we're not allowed street level tuner cars). Even if we included tuner cars, the fear that a car will come into lets say a 420 bracket and smoke everyone because its detuned (but superior ?) has very little possibility. Imagine a Mine's lancer being tuned to run in the 460PP bracket. It would have to be restricted so much that I think it would suffer and it would be smarter to run something else tuned to that PP. Therefore this whole thing about there being a restriction of the power limiting because it would be beneficial to the point of unfairness, is not true.
I ask that you reconsider the restriction on power limiting for the purpose of more open tuning options and therefore being more "realistic".
Thanks for reading my annoying wall of text
I would like to put out that the current system we have right now, is very flawed, optomus has not been on at all because of his internet outage, but basically he's the guy who makes up the rules. Now, that being said, he makes them on the fly without listening much to the community, which that in itself is flawed.
If I ran the GTTC, I would personally allow fully custom transmissions and this will be explained later, but if I did not, I would allow the 5-speed and 6-speed transmissions, end of story. I would also not allow the power limiter, period. I really do not want to see WRX's etc., in the 420PP class etc. or any other shenanigans because the whole, HP power limiter thing looks clumsy.
Now, I would like to clear up the reason for allowing fully customizable transmissions. Remember that each team has a tuning garage.
Falaut, this is an/the Amemiya factory, do you really think that a tuning garage like this will not be willing to spit out the said, "$12,000" for a customizable transmission? These guys have made a touge champ in the Touge Showdown series. The GTTC is designed to have tuning garages like that compete, hence the reason why each team will have a tuning garage.
I still see what you mean about custom transmissions regardless, street guys buying a $3k Civic and putting one in there costing 4x the car is totally unrealistic, I agree. To not allow custom transmissions for tuning garages though, the GTTC would have to change it's name, because it would not be a championship, it'd be more of a syndicate and ideally everyone would be limited to strict sport tunes and such, like in Initial D. In GT5, you buy brand new cars and tune them to your liking/the requirements of an event.
Going back to what we were trying to base the GTTC on, we are trying to base it on the Touge Showdown in real life. If I am not mistaken, that event allows customizable transmissions. But beside that, tuning garages come with only one car, do a time trial, and the best cars or best feeling cars get a chance to battle each other out. An event to be successfully and efficiently carried out by the GTTC would be similar, one car would be brought by each tuning garage and the better car shall win. We are all still debating about the amount of cars per team, but this is getting WAY too complicated. Again, if I ran this, I would just hold 3 big touge events per season, the 420PP, 460PP, and 500PP events, weekly or bi-weekly, seasons lasting about 3-6 weeks each, and you would bring only 1 car per team each event.
When optomus gets back, I am going to speak to him about overhauling our current system here somewhat, or just give me control of the league altogether because we have way too many people in our (Facebook) group and teams to just be wasting time.
I will hold a poll on our Facebook page about customizable transmissions and the decision from that will be final.
On a final note I really like what Timber is doing with his LotS idea, go check that out.
Any other concerns, please discuss.
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- GTP_ProjectR
- Hardcor209
Team Name: Revolution R
PSN-Drivers: GTP_ProjectR & GTP_InitialR
Garage Name: Preformance Autoworx
Thank you for putting this on! I cant wait to get out there.
PSN-Drivers: GTP_ProjectR & GTP_InitialR
Garage Name: Preformance Autoworx
Thank you for putting this on! I cant wait to get out there.
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- Perth, Australi
- GTP_TimberW
I've thought about it about custom transmission and power limiters and PPs.
I think Custom Transmission should be allowed, since it's a "garage" battle.
Power Limiters, depending on where you come from. Many say that the power Limiters aren't realistic in terms of adjusting the power curve. it just chops off the top end, I still think giving a range of the available use of power limiters is better.
PP Classes. I think running one class at a time is a good way to go. Maybe one team can send out 2 cars of the same PP. Therefore, for example: let's say for month of August, it's 500PP month. Each garage can send maximum of 2 and each car with it's designated driver.
I think Custom Transmission should be allowed, since it's a "garage" battle.
Power Limiters, depending on where you come from. Many say that the power Limiters aren't realistic in terms of adjusting the power curve. it just chops off the top end, I still think giving a range of the available use of power limiters is better.
PP Classes. I think running one class at a time is a good way to go. Maybe one team can send out 2 cars of the same PP. Therefore, for example: let's say for month of August, it's 500PP month. Each garage can send maximum of 2 and each car with it's designated driver.
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- Atlanta, GA
- SolidSnake7735
wow, so i didn't even know my crew had signed up to this... since its on page 7 already can someone fill me in on the progress of this event? pliz
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- Gr3yKn1ght
wow, so i didn't even know my crew had signed up to this... since its on page 7 already can someone fill me in on the progress of this event? pliz
Nothing has happened yet man because the founder's internet is out right now. Look forward to seeing some news from me next week, there will be an event soon if he gets back or not. Thanks for checking.
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- driftmonkeyok
I been gone for a week I need to get back to practice, anyone online right now to touge?
JackWilson
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- Jack_Wilson247
- o0o0JACK0o0o
I have a new member to my team
PSN: knel_75
don't think he has gtp id but i told him to have a look on here
PSN: knel_75
don't think he has gtp id but i told him to have a look on here
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- Gr3yKn1ght
Power limiter is allowed.
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