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Dude makin fun of ricers
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VIPERGTSR01"its like wearing a T-shirt saying 'I have 500 bucks in my pocket'"
That line right there made me shoot milk out of my nose!
The scary part though is I was drinking coffee.
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"The spoilers are there for traction aids, I mean putting it on the trunk of a front wheel drive car makes complete sense"
ROFL, oh so true
ROFL, oh so true
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I got an EVO 8 that i'v been working on and it's got 500 HP with a Wing on the back and would make Mike Wet him self.
the Interceptor
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So a spoiler on the trunk of a FWD racecar makes no sense, does it?opendriver19a
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Not quite. Yes, they are traction devices, but putting one on the back of a front wheel drive car doesn't cause the front to lose any traction. A car isn't like some sort of balance that if you push one end down, the other rises. Front wheel drive or not, a wing is still going to stabilize the car's rear end.opendriver19a
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Have you got anything to back this up, I mean you have an Evo 8 weth 500bhp, surely you have a digi cam or a cameraphone, just take a photo of it with the bonnet up and the piece of paper with your username and GTP written on it, standard pracitce for proving you own a nice car on here.chrishardcore1
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It will slow the top speed down and the high up acceleration, sure but it will still have a big effect on the back end of the car at high speed cornering, which is a lot more useful than the extra 5 or 6 mph top speed you'll lose.
Master_Yoda
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Pics... Cuase that sounds bs to me...chrishardcore1
KSaiyu
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Yes you would get overall extra grip, but you'll shift the handling balance even MORE towards understeer, certainly what you wouldn't need in the majority of FWD cars since it's the front that washes wide first in high speed corners and when pulling out of tight apex's.
I can understand the point if the car generates lift at high speeds why you'd need to fit one, and I know FWD cars have aero aids at the rear (take the new 197 Clio with that big diffuser), all I'm saying is that there is little point adding that much drag for no real improvement in the HANDLING, and not grip of the car.
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lol funny
i like the mufflers too.... i want my car to roar but not in a ricey way
i like the mufflers too.... i want my car to roar but not in a ricey way
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No you won't, by increasing rear downforce your not reducing front downforce, like PERFECT BALANCE said before, it's not a balancing act where increasing downfoce at one end decreases it at the other. Adding rear downfoce and rear downforce only won't increase or reduce the cars understeer, but it will reduce the chance of the back end coming out and the car oversteering, which in fwd cars does still happen. At lower speeds it won't make any difference to the handling, but at higher speeds it wil make a notable one, the car will be a lot more stable. And that extra drag. that's minimal and will hardly affect the top speed of a car relatively and will only make a notable effect on the acceleration at higher speeds as well.KSaiyu
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great lol nice way of eekin out the ricers in here too 
nice way of eekin out the ricers in here too 
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lol i've seen that vid before. Very funny.
chrishardcore1
You must be a very insecure person. Not only is "your" EVO an AWD (which negates any of the anti-FWD jokes), it's also a world-renowned, rally-bred sports-sedan that is well-liked by many automotive enthusiasts. If you really do own such a car, taking offense to this guy's comments is really stupid.
liveforspeed
You're right, front downforce is not reduced, but the balance of the car is shifted to the rear a bit. If lift/downforce did not affect the attitude of an object, planes would have no way to control themselves once they got airborne. No matter how you put it, downforce presses down on a car, and if you're pressing down on the trunk with X pounds of downforce, that's X pounds of force that the front end isn't getting, and an X-pounds shift in weight distribution.
Is it enough of a shift to facilitate greater understeer and a deterioration in cornering ability? Not likely, and if so, not enough to offset the beneficial stability that a rear wing would provide.
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The downforce of a rear wing does affect the car, like I said, at the back end, not the front, when planes are in the air the wings are usually in or near in the middle of the fuselage so the plane sort of pivotts on them, so as not to pivott too easilly out of control they also put a wing at the back of the plane as well to keep the plane stable. When you press down on the back of a car, the front doesn't go up. It is not a see saw effect. Under acceleration the rear wing will create more weight over the rear wheels, but will not reduce the weight over the front, the same ammount of weight will be shifted from the front of the car to the rear as before so the front will keep the same ammount of grip as before. You're talking about this as though pushing down on one end will bring the other end up, yes you do see this with weight shifting but increasing weight at the rear of the car won't reduce the weight at the front nor will it increase or reduce the ammount of that weight that shifts from the front.
live4speed
Actually, the ailerons on the wings of a plane are only used for roll. Yes, the horizontal stabilizers (the aeronautical equivalent of the car's spoiler in this analogy) add stability to an aircraft, but they are also used to control pitch. To cause the plane to climb, the horizontal stabilizers create negative lift, or downforce, in the rear, which lowers the tail and changes the attitude of the plane to face upwards. Then, the plane's engine and wings do the rest of the work, pulling the plane higher into the sky. To dive, the horizontal stabilizers create lift instead, raising the tail and sending the plane towards the ground.
When a spoiler presses down on the trunk of a car, it's doing the same thing at a much smaller scale, slightly changing the attitude of the car (which is a physical weight shift on its own, independent of the spoiler's downforce). If applying weight to one end of a car did nothing to the other, then an elephant could sit on the back of a pick-up truck without the front wheels leaving the ground (provided the chassis was strong enough), and all of the wheelies I used to do with my hot-wheels when I was little -- by pressing on the trunks with my finger -- were somehow fake or non-existent.
I did say in my last post that the shift in weight was most likely negligible (and that's especially true as the distance between the rear wheels and the mounting points for the wing decrease) -- I intended to give the impression that it was akin to a drop in a bucket. I guess I didn't make that clear enough.
I didn't mean to spark a debate -- I just wanted to point out that rear downforce can affect the weight distribution of a car, even if it's a miniscule amount. Saying that downforce has no effect on the weight over the front wheels just seemed like too strong of a statement. That's all. 
I'm tempted to say that this is the reason why those Porsche and Mercedes LMP cars did aerial flips at Circuit de la Sarthe (in other words, once the nose lifted high enough to ruin the front downforce, the rear downforce helped push the tail into the flip), but with the high speeds involved and those flat undersides, I'm just not 100% sure...
I'm tempted to say that this is the reason why those Porsche and Mercedes LMP cars did aerial flips at Circuit de la Sarthe (in other words, once the nose lifted high enough to ruin the front downforce, the rear downforce helped push the tail into the flip), but with the high speeds involved and those flat undersides, I'm just not 100% sure...
. But also even if the effect was noticable, you could counter act it with some minor suspension adjustments.
KSaiyu
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I didn't say you would reduce the front downforce, I said that the handling balance would be slightly geared towards understeer at high speeds, which is already a trait with the majority of FWD cars. Of course it would be beneficial if the car, like I said in the previous post, was unstable and generating lift at high speed, but honestly how often is it added with this intention.
Notice I'm not saying a well applied wing won't give the car more grip - it will obviously help high speed stability and traction, and can even increase straight line speed because of hatches terrible rear aerodynamic properties - what I'm saying is its highly unlikely in the majority of instances that you see them on Vauxhall Corsas and Honda Preludes etc that it is of any use, and is in fact making the car worse than original (let's be honest, how many people will have actually made the cars able to go 130, 140+ and made the car able to take high speed corners in the first place). This all started from the guy saying
"The spoilers are there for traction aids, I mean putting it on the trunk of a front wheel drive car makes complete sense"
not about whether adding rear wing will reduce weight on the front (which, as cleared up a few posts ago, will actually do this marginally at higher speeds).
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a6m5That was the best part.
I have that shirt..........and a ricer!!!! (has an 20 inch tall wing on the back and a 200 mm exhaust on the back)
