best 1970's UK car ?

hi, i need a old UK car in the 1970, which is the best choice ?

I'd use the AC cobra. This is for 1000 miles, right?

defenatly the ac cobra

+1 more for the Cobra.

However, if it is for the 1000 Miles, it's not necessary to be a UK car. I used the C1 Corvette. With only minor mods it smoked the field, on N3 tires.

yeah it's for the 1000 miles and thanks i gonna take the ac cobra

AC 427 wins clearly. Don't try with some american muscle - a stock AC can prove quite a challenge for a fully-tuned Chevelle SS with 750HP.

if you're gonna B-spec it, AC cobra. if you're gonna drive yourself, something else. stock Cobra is a handful.. or two.. and tyres are blown in smithereens as soon as you think of throttle.

Nah, not really. I actually A-specced the first 10 or so lap at Cote d'Azur and Opera Paris, and I found it to be a sweet car. Controllable oversteer, and good fuel economy (compared to the Chevelle I tried before), plus not that much weight.

Definitely use the AC cobra you will out perform any other car you may come up against.

or, you could take ol 'Shel's version. your pick, they're the same.

But AC was the original one, wasn't it? Plus, it's european

IIRC, the Shelby isn't the same. It's lighter. How or why, I don't know.

Either of them would be extreme overkill however. As I mentioned, a lightly modded C1 smoked the field, even on B-spec set to 3+overtake, on S1 tires. I'd bet that a stock C1 could beat those races. My worked '64 GTO absolutely crushed the field at the 'ring. Got like a minute ahead on the first lap.

The Jag E-Type would probably be a good UK car to enter. Or maybe the Gull Wing 300 SL. That might need some mods though.

The Jaguar really is the best option that isn't overkill. When I raced 1000 Miles!, the Jag was the top competitor - only 12 laps behind, instead of the usual 20-30 laps behind. So I recon as long as you find a set without a Cobra (First setup which I had to quit due to B-spec Bob failing to enter the pits on two of the races, forcing me to quit that race, had an Isuzu [Last], a Mazda 110S [5th], a Ginetta [4th], the Jag [3rd], an AC 427 [2nd] and, of course, my AC 427, first. Next one had a similar field, only the AC 427 was replaced with some crappier car, so the Jag came 2nd)

the_gamezz

hi, i need a old UK car in the 1970, which is the best choice ?

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the_gamezz

yeah it's for the 1000 miles and thanks i gonna take the ac cobra

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Then I believe you mean mean Pre-1971, and you are not limited to only UK cars. All cars older than 35 years that are not race cars are allowed to enter this race.

The AC Cobra 427 is definitely overkill, and VERY expensive! For fractions less there are several cars that can be bought or even won for free that without any mods can easily win the event depending on the randomly selected group of AI cars. I won the event once using just an Isuzu 117 that I had previously won from the Isuzu Sports Classics event. Considering how underwhelming the 117 Coupe's performance is this should be a reminder that like many other races, it isn't necessary to select the best performing cars, or worse yet, over mod them, just to win a race.

If you use the following info:

Ranking & Data on all the AI Cars for European Event: 1000 Miles!

You'll see that there are a total of 22 different cars from which five will be randomly selected to race you. The only time you'll ever need the AC Cobra is if that is one of the cars selected. However, by simply exiting the race before you start it, and reselect it, the game will randomly select a new field of AI cars. Thus, on average the AC Cobra will only be selected once every 4-5 times.

By using the info listed in the link above, you can test out your car, it settings, and your skill level to determine your best lap times and pit stop strategy, and with that info you can determine which of those 22 AI cars you are likely going to be able to beat. Now all you have to do is keep restarting the race until you get a field of opponents that match or are slightly inferior to your own race times. Depending on the car you chose to use and your skill level, this should take littel time, perhaps no extra time at all should the first randomly selected cars all meet your requirements.

You can use the same technique to improve the AI cars should you want to use a powerful car and want to be challenged by a close race.

BTW: If you really want to save money, and want to use a really good car for this race, first win the Beginners Light Weight K Cup event. This is an easy race to win and you'll be rewarded with a new 1964 Ginetta G4. Even without any mods, a Ginetta G4 in capable hands will be able to beat all but a few of the best possible AI cars for that race. You do not even have to fully mod it to beat every possible car with the sole exception of the AC Cobra. Just keep in mind that the G4 is not a very forgiving car when it comes to handling, especially when you are trying to drive on worn down tires. Just don't push it hard in the corners and you should be fine. oh, and practice, practice, practice!

I hope this helps, and encourages you not to always select the most powerful, easy-to-win-with car (in this case the AC Cobra), as not only is it not necessary, but I think you'll find it far more rewarding to beat the AI cars with a car that measures up more closely with your opponents, and as an added bonus, a good deal less expensive to acquire. 👍

Jim Prower

or, you could take ol 'Shel's version. your pick, they're the same.

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They don't seem quite the same to me, either. The AC Cobra version seems to handle better or something. It seems an all-around better car whether stock or modified. I didn't do any extensive testing so it might just be my hasty opinion.

SirBerra

They don't seem quite the same to me, either. The AC Cobra version seems to handle better or something. It seems an all-around better car whether stock or modified. I didn't do any extensive testing so it might just be my hasty opinion.

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Interesting. I've not tried the AC, just saw that it was a bit heavier. It could be that the lower weight of the Shelby results in a more nose heavy bias, which could affect handling. (as it seems weight reduction often does)

Although, that being said, I have found the Shelby to really hang on in a corner, it's just a matter of getting it set up right (driving line, that is, so the car takes a set) through the corner. It is the embodiment of slow in - fast out. It does take suspension tuning to get the most out of it, but with no W.R., no engine mods, and no tranny mods, it's a nearly beatable demon on tight tracks.

Of course, a friend of mine thinks that my Cobra plows horribly, and I don't think it has any understeer to speak of. lol (all about driving style I guess)

I had already done the Shelby one-make series by the time I did 1000 Miles!, so I used my Mustang GT350 prize car for the series. To be honest I don't even know how good it is to actually drive since I just B-spec'd the whole thing. But of course the 'stang dominated everything else, especially since the fastest competitor was an Alfa Romeo.

I just like old Mustangs. If you're going B-spec I don't think it even matters much, all you really need is a lot of patience. If you want to actually drive the car yourself, at least for a few laps each race, then I'm not sure.

I think the Jaguar E-Type Coupe is best for this series IMO. It's not absolute overkill (but still much faster than half the AI field), not to mention it's a beautiful car, much better looking than the AC Cobra I'd say.

As for the Shelby vs. AC Cobra, well they're both very powerful vehicles. From what I've picked up, the Shelby seems much more tail-happy (though both are), most likely due to the lower weight. It's also much grippier with it's "pillowy" suspension much like the other Shelby models that appear in the game.

Dude?

I think the Jaguar E-Type Coupe is best for this series IMO. It's not absolute overkill (but still much faster than half the AI field), not to mention it's a beautiful car, much better looking than the AC Cobra I'd say.

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Actually, of the 22 AI cars used in this race, the E-Type is the third best, and only marginally worse than the #2 ranked '63 Vette. In fact, the Jag consistently beats even the Vette on both Nurb & Sarthe II.

So even the Jag is overkill for this race. I'd say any of the top five cars in the overall rankings of AI cars in that event are all overkill. In fact, even the #6 ranked Nissan Fairlady 2000 in good hands is going to dominate most of the time against randomly selected AI cars for this race.

I do agree though that the Jag is a classic beauty, and fun to drive. I don't agree that it looks better than an AC Cobra, let alone "much better looking", but of course beauty is purely subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

Digital-Nitrate

Actually, of the 22 AI cars used in this race, the E-Type is the third best, and only marginally worse than the '63 Vette. In fact, the Jag consistently beats even the Vette on both Nurb & Sarthe II.

So even the Jag is overkill for this race. I'd say any of the top five cars in the overall rankings of AI cars in that event are all overkill. In fact, even the #6 ranked Nissan Fairlady 2000 in good hands is going to dominate most of the time against randomly selected AI cars for this race.

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Yeah true, I just meant it in the way that it's not the highest ranked overkill(er).

Nice avatar btw, lol.

does anyone know exactly what the opposition is in 1000 miles? Mainly because a modded 2002 turbo (which is easy to drive) might do the trick. Am I being too optimistic?

@Hapul Please read post #14 in this thread, there's a link to Digital-Nitrate's absolutely comprehensive guide to all the events, entrants, pitstops and laptimes for each and every race in 1000 miles! events. It's a masterpiece!

You won't be able to use the '73 BMW 2002, since the event is for cars from 1970 and earlier.

I've gone ahead and made a list of all 51 cars in GT4 that qualify for the European 1000 Miles! Event with the following data:

• Weight
• Stock Horsepower (oil change)
• Stock Torque (oil change)
• Stock Power/Weight Ratio (oil change)
• Max Horsepower
• Max Torque
• Max Power/Weight Ratio
• How to Acquire It
• Cost

In addition, I have included the rank of cars used by the AI based on overall performance in the entire four-race event.

For specific and detailed data on these AI cars, please feel free to check out the following link:

Ranking & Data on all the AI Cars for European Event: 1000 Miles!


This list however is ranked by stock power/weight ratio. Obviously there is a lot more involved in determining how these cars compare when driven on each different track, like:

• Handling
• Braking
• Acceleration
• Top Speed
• Tires
• Settings
• etc
• and of course, Driver Skill

However, ranking them by P/W seemed like a reasonable choice in order to get a basic idea on how they might perform by comparison.



Way of Acquiring: New - Prize/Bonus Car - Used


[ R. AI YEAR MAKE______ MODEL________________________ WGHT SHP STQ SP/W MHP MTQ MP/W $_K Altrntve

1. __ 1967 Shelby____ Cobra 427____________________ 1068 516 504 _2.1 730 843 _1.3 531
2. __ 1962 Buick_____ Special______________________ 1364 615 615 _2.2 874 921 _1.3 _58
3. _1 1966 AC________ 427 S/C______________________ 1311 510 504 _2.6 749 852 _1.5 423
4. __ 1970 Chevrolet_ Chevelle SS 454______________ 1762 479 525 _3.7 769 784 _1.9 ___
5. __ 1970 Plymouth__ Super Bird___________________ 1755 453 515 _3.9 732 770 _2.0 ___
6. __ 1965 Shelby____ Mustang G.T. 350R____________ 1268 326 346 _3.9 528 523 _2.0 ___
7. __ 1969 Chevrolet_ Corvette Stingray L46 350____ 1490 374 378 _4.0 602 569 _2.1 _72
8. __ 1964 Pontiac___ Tempest Le Mans GTO__________ 1420 348 450 _4.1 670 794 _1.8 _53
9. __ 1970 Dodge_____ Charger 440 R/T______________ 1650 400 504 _4.1 724 843 _1.9 _76
10. __ 1967 Mercury___ Cougar XR-7__________________ 1418 341 450 _4.2 705 861 _1.7 _17 BONUS
11. _3 1961 Jaguar____ E-Type Coupe_________________ 1219 282 273 _4.3 468 422 _2.3 ___
12. __ 1969 Chevrolet_ Camaro SS____________________ 1401 319 399 _4.4 519 601 _2.3 _60
13. __ 1969 Chevrolet_ Camaro Z28 302_______________ 1415 309 305 _4.6 520 480 _2.3 _65
14. _8 1964 Ginetta___ G4___________________________ _454 _96 100 _4.7 234 213 _1.8 ___
15. _2 1963 Chevrolet_ Corvette Coupe (C2)__________ 1370 265 268 _5.2 522 663 _2.2 _85
16. _4 1954 Mercedes__ 300 SL Coupe_________________ 1295 226 213 _5.7 412 362 _2.7 ___
17. _5 1962 Lotus_____ Elan S1______________________ _639 111 113 _5.8 210 199 _2.8 ___
18. _7 1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600_______ _745 121 110 _6.2 252 214 _2.7 ___
19. _6 1968 Nissan____ Fairlady 2000 (SR311)________ _930 143 130 _6.5 250 212 _3.4 _19
20. __ 1970 Nissan____ Skyline Hard Top 2000GT-R____ 1100 168 137 _6.5 293 225 _3.3 ___
21. __ 1967 Toyota____ 2000GT_______________________ 1120 165 137 _6.8 295 229 _3.3 160
22. 13 1970 Marcos____ Mini Marcos GT_______________ _559 _81 _83 _6.9 193 164 _2.6 ___
23. __ 1968 Mazda_____ 110S (L10B)__________________ _960 134 108 _7.2 258 190 _3.4 _24
24. __ 1970 Mitsubishi Galant GTO MR________________ _980 131 110 _7.5 251 187 _3.6 __8 $22k New
25. __ 1970 Honda_____ 1300 Coupe 9 S_______________ _900 115 _87 _7.8 199 138 _4.1 _13
26. 11 1963 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale_______ _950 120 102 _7.9 224 176 _3.9 ___
27. _9 1967 Mazda_____ 110S (L10A)__________________ _940 117 101 _8.0 251 189 _3.4 ___
28. 16 1969 Isuzu_____ Bellett 1600 GT-R____________ _970 120 105 _8.1 230 189 _3.8 _15
29. __ 1970 Toyota____ Celica 1600GT (TA22)_________ _940 116 105 _8.1 209 172 _4.1 __8
30. __ 1954 Chevrolet_ Corvette Convertible (C1)____ 1309 160 234 _8.2 373 495 _3.0 ___
31. 18 1966 Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto___________ _960 116 108 _8.3 227 193 _3.8 _35
32. 17 1967 Nissan____ SKYLINE 2000 GT-B (S54 A)____ 1095 131 129 _8.4 221 202 _4.4 ___
33. 12 1968 Isuzu_____ 117 Coupe____________________ 1050 120 105 _8.8 230 189 _4.0 _14 PRIZE
34. __ 1969 Nissan____ Bluebird 1600 Deluxe (510)___ _930 _93 _95 10.0 190 164 _4.5 __9
35. 14 1966 Honda_____ S800_________________________ _720 _70 _48 10.3 123 _78 _5.3 _20
36. 19 1965 Nissan____ SILVIA (CSP311)______________ _980 _95 102 10.3 206 209 _4.3 _16
37. __ 1964 Honda_____ S600_________________________ _715 _60 _39 11.9 106 _63 _6.1 _21 $51k 10K
38. 10 1965 Toyota____ SPORTS 800___________________ _580 _47 _52 12.3 122 117 _4.3 _32
39. 21 1962 Nissan____ SKYLINE Sport Coupe (BLRA-3)_ 1350 _99 118 13.6 189 200 _6.1 320
40. 20 1963 Nissan____ SKLYLINE 1500 Deluxe (S50D-1) _960 _70 _83 13.7 161 177 _5.4 _13
41. __ 1963 Honda_____ S500_________________________ _675 _46 _35 14.7 _92 _62 _6.7 _22 BONUS
42. __ 1967 Honda_____ N360_________________________ _475 _31 _22 15.3 _76 _46 _5.7 _13
43. __ 1970 Honda_____ Z ACT________________________ _510 _31 _22 16.5 _77 _46 _6.0 __6
44. 15 1968 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia Coupe (Type-1)__ _840 _46 _77 18.3 107 163 _7.1 ___
45. __ 1958 Subaru____ Subaru 360___________________ _385 _16 _23 24.1 _51 _58 _6.9 _36 PRIZE
46. __ 1949 Volkswagen Beetle 1100 Standard (Typ-11) _720 _27 _52 26.7 _85 137 _7.7 ___
47. 22 1965 Fiat______ 500F_________________________ _520 _18 _22 28.9 _86 _96 _5.5 __7
48. __ 1969 Fiat______ 500L_________________________ _530 _18 _22 29.4 _82 _92 _5.9 __7
49. __ 1962 Mazda_____ Carol 360 Deluxe_____________ _560 _19 _17 29.5 _54 _39 _9.4 _13
50. __ 1954 Citröen___ 2CV Type A___________________ _495 _16 _24 30.9 _54 _68 _8.3 ___
51. __ 1963 Daihatsu__ Midget_______________________ _415 _12 _17 34.6 _38 _46 10.9 ___

For those interested in wanting to know how to win/earn the prize/bonus cars that can be used in this race, here is the list:

• 1970 Chevrolet_ Chevelle SS 454______________ Hot Rod Competition
• 1970 Plymouth__ Super Bird___________________ Muscle Car Competition
• 1965 Shelby____ Mustang G.T. 350R____________ Shelby Cobra Cup
• 1967 Mercury___ Cougar XR-7__________________ s License (bronze)
• 1961 Jaguar____ E-Type Coupe_________________ British GT Series
• 1964 Ginetta___ G4___________________________ Light-weight K-Car Cup
• 1954 Mercedes__ 300 SL Coupe_________________ SL Challenge
• 1962 Lotus_____ Elan S1______________________ Lotus Classics
• 1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600_______ GTA Cup
• 1970 Nissan____ Skyline Hard Top 2000GT-R____ Japanese 70's Classics
• 1970 Marcos____ Mini Marcos GT_______________ Mini Sports Meeting
• 1963 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale_______ 1000 Miles!
• 1967 Mazda_____ 110S (L10A)__________________ Club 'RE'
• 1954 Chevrolet_ Corvette Convertible (C1)____ All American Championship
• 1967 Nissan____ SKYLINE 2000 GT-B (S54 A)____ FR Challenge
• 1968 Isuzu_____ 117 Coupe____________________ Isuzu Sports Classics
• 1963 Honda_____ S500_________________________ b License (gold)
• 1968 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia Coupe (Type-1)__ Lupo Cup
• 1958 Subaru____ Subaru 360___________________ Subaru 360 Race
• 1949 Volkswagen Beetle 1100 Standard (Typ-11) Beetle Cup
• 1954 Citröen___ 2CV Type A___________________ Tous France / 2HP-2CV Classics
• 1963 Daihatsu__ Midget_______________________ Midget II Race

I hope this info helps some in finding interesting if not best suited cars to use in this event.