GT5 Photomode Competition: "The Judges' League"

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I think strngz0731 has a great point in that there are a lot of people that are new to GT5 photomode and therefore are not going to be able to produce the same quality of picture that veterans who have probably taken several hundred pics or more. It's easy to see how people can get discourage from participating when after many many tries cannot even make it to a poll. It would be nice to help people phase into these competitions as their skill increases.



I totally agree in that a "Judge's League" would not be fair unless there was a League created for people who have yet to win a competition(not a "loser's league" - my sincere apologies for coining that phrase:guilty: ).

This would definitely boost entries and confidence.. No offense to anyone, but most people (myself included), whenever we see a major name's entry in a competition, nearly all hopes vanish. I've seen good entries that have never even made it to the poll, and it is kind of frustrating to be almost for sure that you probably won't win a competition.
 
I really like the idea of staggered Photomode Competitions (beginners, advanced, pros, etc.)
as in real sports competions systems like this are common, well accepted and proven to perform.
No young kart pilot would be allowed nor even dare to start in a (battle)field of formula 1 single seater.

Simply remember your own very first Gran Turismo (1-2-3-4-5) session when those coloured lightnings were dashing around you,
while you could hardly keep on the track...

Competition shall be fun and challenge. We're here because we're aware of that.
Repetition of frustration isn't what makes a talented newcomer a star. As I can see, there are lots of them in gtplanet.
Why not give them a chance – in a new (additional) PMC mode for "Junior staff development" we surely will find?
Won't we?
 
The thing is, a League of Judge would not be a weekly competition (once in a while) and would only be something to perk out who ever won a competition. Think of it like the UEFA Champions League (don't know if you familiar with it(football)).
Only the winner and the second classified in each home league (it depends, some leagues can put out more or less clubs), as long as the winner of Europa League and the past Champions league can get to said competition.
You don't have any competition to perk the competitions with less points in a home league.
The thing with a Losers Competition, is that, if I understand correctly, the target is 99% of people who enter regular competitions. Yes, because, only a 1% of past winners are regular at competitions.

Also, who's to say you can enter a Losers Competition? People who never made the poll? How are you going to account that? People who never won? - That's 99% of regular competitions. I doubt that people who don't get into poll in regular will get to the poll in a Losers Competition (since you only take out 2 or 3 entries out of it), that if you have a poll limit.
If you don't, then that will be a pretty big mess when voting.

Oh, and in that note, I really don't understand people here. The other day, there was some talk that poll sizes should be lowered (creating less opportunity for members that don't get into poll often). Now they say there should be a competition so to create more opportunity for those who don't get into poll often. Contradiction much?

Ideally, and as I said, we would have free for all competitions. There are so many great ideas, like the Creative/Artistic Competition, Photo-Hut Competition (like mentioned earlier in this thread), Drift Competition, Rally Competition, and so on, that would enrich even more the community, than competition for ones and not for others.

Edit: If I recall correctly, weeks before GT5 release, we were planning how we would like to see the Photomode area, giving out ideas to make it even better than the GT4 days. One thing that was of concern was cliques (whats happening in the competition forum). There is too much of a separation between people, whether you are a photomode GOD or you are a noob. How about I say that each and everyone who enters competitions, from the long coming to the short ones, are all big noobs, who don't know a thing and Photomode Gods in the same way? Because, that's really the way I always saw things.
 
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I really like the idea of staggered Photomode Competitions (beginners, advanced, pros, etc.)
as in real sports competions systems like this are common, well accepted and proven to perform.
No young kart pilot would be allowed nor even dare to start in a (battle)field of formula 1 single seater.

Simply remember your own very first Gran Turismo (1-2-3-4-5) session when those coloured lightnings were dashing around you,
while you could hardly keep on the track...

Competition shall be fun and challenge. We're here because we're aware of that.
Repetition of frustration isn't what makes a talented newcomer a star. As I can see, there are lots of them in gtplanet.
Why not give them a chance – in a new (additional) PMC mode for "Junior staff development" we surely will find?
Won't we?

I think it gets too complex to manage and stuff when we start getting into a whole "staggered/level" tier-based entry system.

The "GT Planet Photomode Idol" concept, as I personally see it, is strictly an add-on to the existing competition lineup - an extra competition that is set-up for the "beginner-ish set".

What's the "beginner-ish set"? All depend on how the moderator staff would decide, but it comes down to one of four criteria levels:
Never entered a competition
Never been selected to a competition poll
Never received poll votes
Never won a competition
(It truly is a "sticky wicket" to try and put a definition on it, but that's the best I could lay out as a basic framework.)

Should the "beginner-ish set" abandon all other competitions and work with just this one?
🤬 no!
The only way one improves at something is through working at it, and what better way is there to get better at taking 'pictures' in GT5 for entry into these competitions than taking lots of 'pictures' and entering plenty of competitions?

Hey, 'twas just a concept, and it's not like I have the ability or such to even vaguely bring it to fruition, so it would be up to the moderation staff to do anything beyond the concept.
The last thing I want to do is stir up trouble, (intentionally) create more work and aggrivation for anyone here.
Maybe it's best to just forget the concept exists and was ever brought up.
:indiff:

Peace...
 
You're definitely not stirring anything up, strngz, it's always handy to have some solid, thorough discussions from both sides of the table 👍

The "issue" (for lack of a better term) with something like the "Idol" setup, is that, like Nick said, eliminating people who've won competitions from it only eliminates 1% of the population. So you might see a few changes in the polls (and, I suppose by the nature of it, less familar names each week as winning would bar you from the next one), but after those people win... what? They are now forced to take part in those other competitions again, exclusively ;).

However, as someone who's been a part of the Photomode community for years, I always like the idea of something that can grow and benefit the community, so if there really is the swell of support for something like this, and someone can step forward and provide solid, continual hosting... then yeah, why not? What ever the criteria will be for entering, however, that host will have to spend quite some time researching if it's anything past "previously won a poll", as tracing down who's shot is who's in each and every poll can be seriously time-consuming :nervous:

We have the WRS for the online racing, but that's easily quantifiable, and can be split into tiers, based on times. Otherwise, you'd have the same individuals winning regularly (though really, even in each tier, it happens reasonably often). But on something artistic, like the Photomode stuff, it's a bit harder to create groups. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the people who do well, regularly, in the comps and polls usually tend to have some photographic training in real-life though, if even amateur or self-taught.

What I still recommend, for all newcomers to Photomode, is to take a look at some of the other galleries, and even more so, the tutorials available. To me, anyways, that's the most straight-forward way to improve, as GT5 doesn't require a deep knowledge of Photoshop to create stunning images (ask some of the GT4 vets how many hours could be spent cleaning up dodgy textures and polygons :lol: ).

Slightly off-topic; but I will echo Nick's confusion about people simultaneously wanting smaller polls, but more comps. Smaller polls however, will be coming, since the majority who voiced their opinions were in favour of them :)
 
I've watched this thread with some interest :)

I was thinking possibly both ends of the spectrum could be satisfied with the same competition.....A GTP Ladder tournament! It would be something along the lines of a top 20 seeded entrants followed by an additional 20 or 30 entrants. You may only challenge the entrant above you, and the challenger picks the theme, winner could either be decided by judge or mini poll (perhaps a weekly poll for all ladder matches?).

This way, some of the 'lesser names' would feel like they had a chance against the 'big boys'. Whilst this is only an idea, myself and a friend on here have been hosting a comp on another site for a few months (pm me if you like the sound of this dude;)), and I think we may be able to get it together if people like the idea............
 
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I've watched this thread with some interest :)

I was thinking possibly both ends of the spectrum could be satisfied with the same competition.....A GTP Ladder tournament! It would be something along the lines of a top 20 seeded entrants followed by an additional 20 or 30 entrants. You may only challenge the entrant above you, and the challenger picks the theme, winner could either be decided by judge or mini poll (perhaps a weekly poll for all ladder matches?).

This way, some of the 'lesser names' would feel like they had a chance against the 'big boys'. Whilst this is only an idea, myself and a friend on here have been hosting a comp on another site for a few months (pm me if you like the sound of this dude;)), and I think we may be able to get it together if people like the idea............

I like it. 👍
 
I've watched this thread with some interest :)

I was thinking possibly both ends of the spectrum could be satisfied with the same competition.....A GTP Ladder tournament! It would be something along the lines of a top 20 seeded entrants followed by an additional 20 or 30 entrants. You may only challenge the entrant above you, and the challenger picks the theme, winner could either be decided by judge or mini poll (perhaps a weekly poll for all ladder matches?).

This way, some of the 'lesser names' would feel like they had a chance against the 'big boys'. Whilst this is only an idea, myself and a friend on here have been hosting a comp on another site for a few months (pm me if you like the sound of this dude;)), and I think we may be able to get it together if people like the idea............

I'd be interested in learning more, and probably lending whatever hand I can to help get this running and/or keep it rolling.

When it comes right down to it, I'm simply looking for as many challenging outlets as possible with the GT5 Photomode. I'm a bit of a real photography buff, actually - although some will probably say it doesn't particularly look like it given the 'pictures' I post here. (With actual photography as well, I have more interest in "macro-photography" of an abstract nature which doesn't really translate well to more popular results around here.)

I'm also looking to hopefully foster a more "beginner-friendly" environment, which stems from a perceived "winner's club" amongst some forum members.
(I'm not saying that the "winner's club" members are the only ones that win competitions, but they're consistently in the running. Do they deserve to be based on the quality of images they submit? Absolutely! However, with a small portion of the competitor population consistently represented in competition polls - especially if poll sizes are going to decrease, something I would've expressed an opposing position towards if asked for this very reason - it doesn't leave much room for the rest of the lot.)

If my "Idol" idea doesn't work, it seems due to the logistical issues created in regards to eligibility determination, then that's fine. I totally get that, as I hadn't really solidified that element of the idea.
I just hope that this or some other idea, geared towards a more "beginner-friendly" opportunity - especially if opportunities will increase for the "winner's club" set, even if it's in part due to ease of eligibility and administration - catches fire and take root here.

Peace...

 
I've watched this thread with some interest :)

I was thinking possibly both ends of the spectrum could be satisfied with the same competition.....A GTP Ladder tournament! It would be something along the lines of a top 20 seeded entrants followed by an additional 20 or 30 entrants. You may only challenge the entrant above you, and the challenger picks the theme, winner could either be decided by judge or mini poll (perhaps a weekly poll for all ladder matches?).

This way, some of the 'lesser names' would feel like they had a chance against the 'big boys'. Whilst this is only an idea, myself and a friend on here have been hosting a comp on another site for a few months (pm me if you like the sound of this dude;)), and I think we may be able to get it together if people like the idea............

Like this? And this? ;)
 
That's kinda different to a ladder tournament, I guess you're not familiar with the term? Don't get me wrong, I love the PMC/2.0 Tourney, it has an FA Cup style feel to it :) I looked it up on wiki for a better explaination 👍

From wiki:
A ladder tournament is a form of tournament for games and sports. It is an extended tournament, which can potentially go on indefinitely. In a ladder tournament, players are listed as if on the rungs of a ladder. The objective for a player is to reach the highest rung of the ladder. A ladder tournament is similar to a pyramid tournament, except that unlike a pyramid tournament, only one player can occupy any given rung and whom a player may challenge is not as tightly restricted as in the pyramid system.

The tournament proceeds via a system of challenges. Any player can challenge a player above him or her on the ladder. If the lower-placed player wins the match, then the two players swap places on the ladder. If the lower-placed player loses, then he or she may not challenge the same person again without challenging someone else first. Usually, there is a limit as to how many rungs above themselves players may challenge.

I was thinking this might work, but I don't want to just go ahead and make a thread for it, without sounding out some of the more experienced heads round here ;)
 
Oh, thanks for the explanation. I have to say, I really really really like the idea, but some brainstorming may be needed to make it simpler and long lasting. Also, find anyone or a group of people with the guts to run has a long therm competition. You have my support. ;)👍
 
Oh, thanks for the explanation. I have to say, I really really really like the idea, but some brainstorming may be needed to make it simpler and long lasting. Also, find anyone or a group of people with the guts to run has a long therm competition. You have my support. ;)👍

Thanks for that 👍 I'd like to discuss this further with the likes of yourself and Slip, Incendius and I have been running a comp on gfaqs for nearly three months now. Between us we're happy to take on the admin of it, but would need some coaching from you guys in terms of running the comp :)

As said in my earlier post, I think this could give rise to a really fun and open comp, with some interesting h2h's. Along with it naturally leading to similar skilled people competing against one another :)
 
I don't know if it's possible to post a link to it, but P.M. was sent in your way.
I don't think you need couching if you already run something like it, but I have some doubts in certain aspects, that I would like to see clarified/discussed.
 
The ladder system certain seems plausible to me and would add a different element to current comps. Also I don't see the need for a 'Judges League' (although I'm sure it would produce some stunning photos), I think the current Tournament effectly serves that purpose as the cream certainly rises to the top, yet there is still the chance a newcomer could make it through. I'm very interested to see if a Ladder Tournament gets off the ground as it's a great idea. :)
 
Well, I've started discussions with Nicknamealguem, I'm going to try and come up with a proper plan for this. Looks like it could be a winner :) I'll be sending pm's to the relevant people tomorrow to try and flesh this out a little, we'll see where it goes 👍
 
How bout rather than the 'Judges' league call it the Invitational and to compete in it you have to have won a comp in the last four weeks (PMC, 2.0, CCCL. Photoshop, and SS). That way you have 20 entries, the constant need to re-qualify, and 4 weeks of this comp if you win another and no need to find a judge, just 20 entries.
 
what happens if you won the first part of a H2H compt but lost in the final ? or you won a SSC comp. which isn´t official yet ? does this count ?
 
The way I see it it's only the winner of the H2H that would go through to keep the numbers consistent. I am assuming SSC is going to become official at some point so I included it (5 Winners per week X 4 weeks per winner = 20 contestants per Invitational Comp). As an added bit of fun anyone who wins more than one comp in a 4 weeks time period must gift their invitation to someone else who has never won a comp.
 
hmm, the idea is nice, but for me not really necessary. I think we already have enough competitions running. Another one will make it (maybe) a bit to abuzz in here.

So, if I will win a few comps and don't want to compete here, do I have to give my place to someone else? Some random I like to give the chance?
Because if so, I think the whole point will be ruined.....well, just a bit though.:sly:


But anywho, its just my opinion right now, mainly because I barely can keep the pace here week over week.
But if someone would like to run this Competition idea, I would really embrace that1 :)
 
this competition should be only once in a month or even 2 months so you have much more time imo
 
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