New Car Refresh , contradictions

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OK, of all the new things announced with the DLC 2 release and the 2.02 GT5 version, one thing that really intrigued me was the 5 free "New Car Refresh" coupons given to those who had previously purchased a DLC pack and also purchased the new DLC pack...


Now that I've had a chance to see the "New Car Refresh" in action, I have to say that this really seems to be a contradiction in more ways then one. I also still don't really understand what the intentions or ramifications are with these special "New Car Refresh" tickets...

First, when you go to use one, the dialog box currently says that it will 'remove' all previous modifications (and/or tuning, I forget the exact term it uses. However after you click on Yes, I want to use it, it brings up another dialog that says that it will not remove these things ( including wheels, paint, other mods, etc... ) So, the dialog boxes themselves contradict each other.

Now, what happens when you actually use the ticket? Well I don't pretend to fully understand what happens, but I can tell you the things I immediately noticed... The car does not go back to 'like new' condition, that is... no mods are removed that I can see... User added paint remains, internal engine tuning remains, weight reduction remains... and add on tuning parts also seem to remain. In short, the only noticeable change is the millage gets set back to zero.

Presumably the engine itself is completely re-built, as is the body... but then again, it doesn't really bring the car back to "NEW" at all , does it???

In short, these "New Car Refresh" don't really seem to be all that useful aside from resetting the odometer. But isn't that in itself a bit like a shady used car dealer sort of thing to do? :crazy:
 
When we understand that the GT5 odometer is tied to the engine-wear counter, then it might make sense. Don't need to lose sleep over it, it's just some program code in a computer :)

But does it reset the car-use count and race-win count as well ? If it does not, there is still a reason to collect 0/0/0 cars. Otherwise these coupons (when giftable) will wreck the car trading economy in GT5. And make all of us who chase after mint cars look like... well you know

I think PD understand this point well enough to not make the Refresher Coupon clear ALL car settings and make it indistinguishable from a 0/0/0 mint condition car. By choosing this option, they could have just prevented a hail of bullets of fury from angry GT5 fans (or fanatics if you prefer)... :)
 
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bobd
When we understand that the GT5 odometer is tied to the engine-wear counter, then it might make sense. Don't need to lose sleep over it, it's just some program code in a computer :)

But does it reset the car-use count and race-win count as well ? If it does not, there is still a reason to collect 0/0/0 cars. Otherwise these coupons (when giftable) will wreak the car trading economy in GT5. And make all of us who chase after mint cars look like... well you know

I think PD understand this point well enough to not make the Refresher Coupon clear ALL car settings and make it indistinguishable from a 0/0/0 mint condition car. By choosing this option, they could have just prevented a hail of bullets of fury from angry GT5 fans (or fanatics if you prefer)... :)
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Agreed! I for one am happy if its true that it doesnt affect switches or wins (it shouldnt)... But its good for my cars that I have driven to wear out (especially my standards).

I usually use the AU Cuermo Supra and I found one with 100 miles a few weeks ago in my UCD. I got it. My main one has 18k miles or so on it so I can refresh it and still have the "backup" in place. Thats a good example of what this is for. Its for those of us that want to refresh a standard because we want different cars than the premiums (at least the ones that we do drive as I 0/0 collect some too)
 
Same thing here for me, just as you both have described. In my opinion, I don't think it works the way it was intended in that it does not remove all tuning parts, pait, etc thereby not actually returning the car to normal.
 
No, it does not reset the car switches or wins, so it won't be a bother to the 0/0/0 traders...

Here's what I don't understand about the odometer being tied to engine wear/break in... As I understand it, when you do a engine re-build... the engine itself should then be brand new for all intents and purposes. It seemingly should also then go through it's own break in and wear out period, and yet, this doesn't reset the odometer.

It seems to me, that the sum total effect of the "New Car Refresh" is likely the exact same effect you would get if you did a Engine Rebuild and a chassis rebuild, with one added change... that being the odometer reset.

I had hoped... that the "New Car Refresh" would actually remove any weight reductions or internal engine tuning... to me, that would be restoring to 'New' condition. What is being done, doesn't seem all that helpful.


bobd
When we understand that the GT5 odometer is tied to the engine-wear counter, then it might make sense. Don't need to lose sleep over it, it's just some program code in a computer :)

But does it reset the car-use count and race-win count as well ? If it does not, there is still a reason to collect 0/0/0 cars. Otherwise these coupons (when giftable) will wreak the car trading economy in GT5. And make all of us who chase after mint cars look like... well you know

I think PD understand this point well enough to not make the Refresher Coupon clear ALL car settings and make it indistinguishable from a 0/0/0 mint condition car. By choosing this option, they could have just prevented a hail of bullets of fury from angry GT5 fans (or fanatics if you prefer)... :)
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KB18FAN
Same thing here for me, just as you both have described. In my opinion, I don't think it works the way it was intended in that it does not remove all tuning parts, pait, etc thereby not actually returning the car to normal.
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Which would be great if it did indeed reset the cars irreversible upgrades (engine and weight reduction)... I know I ruined my Suzuki bike thing (sp: GTSX) by reducing its weight too much, I reduced the weight, left the car alone and came back with the ballast on from previously and thought I could reduce the weight again... well... that ended any idea of competing in the Madrid TT....
 
Now, there is a interesting thought... If you could apply this "New Car Refresh" to a newly purchased used car, then it would effectively give you a new car. ( I think ). Now, if you really could do this without getting in the car, then it could be a way to obtain a 0/0/0 used car.

Anyone know if you can apply one of these New Car Refresh tickets to a car your not 'in'?


ryanerb
Agreed! I for one am happy if its true that it doesnt affect switches or wins (it shouldnt)... But its good for my cars that I have driven to wear out (especially my standards).

I usually use the AU Cuermo Supra and I found one with 100 miles a few weeks ago in my UCD. I got it. My main one has 18k miles or so on it so I can refresh it and still have the "backup" in place. Thats a good example of what this is for. Its for those of us that want to refresh a standard because we want different cars than the premiums (at least the ones that we do drive as I 0/0 collect some too)
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This is my understanding...There comes a point in time when you exceed a certain mileage (15K) that oil changes and engine rebuilds stop restoring full power. The decline in hp continues until it bottoms out at a percentage less than original, full broken-in hp. The refresh ticket resets the mileage, so an engine rebuild/oil change restores original full power again.

I haven't tested this yet, but a good way to do it is to use an old car that has a 200K miles or so on it and note the hp after a full engine rebuild/oil change. Then, use the refresh ticket and note the hp. If it didn't change immediately, do an engine rebuild/oil change and the max hp should be higher.
 
This is what I had hoped to be able to do... to actually restore a heavily modified car back to it's original weight and internal engine tuning. This, I would find useful...

ryanerb
Which would be great if it did indeed reset the cars irreversible upgrades (engine and weight reduction)... I know I ruined my Suzuki bike thing (sp: GTSX) by reducing its weight too much, I reduced the weight, left the car alone and came back with the ballast on from previously and thought I could reduce the weight again... well... that ended any idea of competing in the Madrid TT....
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TRFZF
This is what I had hoped to be able to do... to actually restore a heavily modified car back to it's original weight and internal engine tuning. This, I would find useful...
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Me, too. There are some cars that I wanted to remove Chassis Rigidity, as well as previous weight reductions/engine tunes, but I guess I'll just have to buy another premium or wait for another standard in the UCD.
 
There is no reason I can see that if you buy a car from the UCD and use a ticket on that car and don't switch it, it will become a 0/0/0 car.
 
If your correct... that a engine rebuild doesn't fully restore power figures once it gets too many miles on it... then that could make this new car refresh have some real use. However, I don't understand why this would be the case. If I personally were to rebuild a engine ( anc change anywhere near the cost it is in GT5, I would hope the dam HP was as good or better then it was when the engine was new.

I do think your correct however, that it may require some extensive testing to figure out what is REALLY happening.

GoSpeedRacer
This is my understanding...There comes a point in time when you exceed a certain mileage (15K) that oil changes and engine rebuilds stop restoring full power. The decline in hp continues until it bottoms out at a percentage less than original, full broken-in hp. The refresh ticket resets the mileage, so an engine rebuild/oil change restores original full power again.

I haven't tested this yet, but a good way to do it is to use an old car that has a 200K miles or so on it and note the hp after a full engine rebuild/oil change. Then, use the refresh ticket and note the hp. If it didn't change immediately, do an engine rebuild/oil change and the max hp should be higher.
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Yes, but it's not clear to me that you can actually apply this special ticket to a car that your not 'using'. If you are 'using' the car when you apply the ticket, it will have at least one 'switch' registered. Now, if you can apply the ticket without actually using the car, then that could reset it to 0/0/0

crang08
There is no reason I can see that if you buy a car from the UCD and use a ticket on that car and don't switch it, it will become a 0/0/0 car.
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My other question related to special tickets... Can you gift them? ( I think the answer is no, but don't really know for sure )
 
TRFZF
Yes, but it's not clear to me that you can actually apply this special ticket to a car that your not 'using'. If you are 'using' the car when you apply the ticket, it will have at least one 'switch' registered. Now, if you can apply the ticket without actually using the car, then that could reset it to 0/0/0
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Very good point sir :)

I only tried it once to see what happened and I was in the car. :P
 
TRFZF
If your correct... that a engine rebuild doesn't fully restore power figures once it gets too many miles on it... then that could make this new car refresh have some real use. However, I don't understand why this would be the case. If I personally were to rebuild a engine ( anc change anywhere near the cost it is in GT5, I would hope the dam HP was as good or better then it was when the engine was new.

I do think your correct however, that it may require some extensive testing to figure out what is REALLY happening.
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I am definitely correct about permanent hp loss after certain mileage is reached. It's part of the coding that as an engine wears out from high miles, it can only be restored to a reduced amount of its original broken-in max hp.

There's a good thread around here about engine break-in/rebuild/mileage relationship and I'll track down a link.

That's why I feel that the resetting of the mileage with these new tickets is a way to get back to original max hp and start the mileage countdown all over again.

The tickets are not tradeable. I hit triangle on them last night and tried to choose "gift to a firend", but it says they cannot be gifted.
 
I don't understand the confusion here. It was said on the changelog that these cupons work in a similar way to engine and chassis rebuild and would not affect any mods on the car, like in GT Auto.
 
Ah, well then there is at least some real 'value' in these things.

Even so... given the price of a engine rebuild in GT5, it seems like they could do better and at least get the power back up to original specs. :)

GoSpeedRacer
I am definitely correct about permanent hp loss after certain mileage is reached. It's part of the coding that as an engine wears out from high miles, it can only be restored to a reduced amount of its original broken-in max hp.

There's a good thread around here about engine break-in/rebuild/mileage relationship and I'll track down a link.

That's why I feel that the resetting of the mileage with these new tickets is a way to get back to original max hp and start the mileage countdown all over again.
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Go into the game and use one, they dialog you get contradicts that... But then later it contradicts itself.

notStig
I don't understand the confusion here. It was said on the changelog that these cupons work in a similar way to engine and chassis rebuild and would not affect any mods on the car, like in GT Auto.
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