GT5's reaction to EA's lock down on Porsche, Pagani Huayra, etc.
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Okay? We're talking massive generational gaps in history from that era to the era or now. You're going to use that figure of when gaming wasn't as big as now against my figure where gaming is much larger, wow. The point was the PS2 was a sony cash cow and they wanted to keep it going for a little longer hence why the PS3 was out later than the XBox 360. Yet when new items are brought to the open market and especially when titled next generation, people tend to move toward that. Hence why the 360 was a big maker in the console war early on. Just saying
Anyways let's stay on topic please, since that had nothing to do with this thread accept showing Tenacious that his post are misleading and always the same about attacking MS.
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I personally don't mind RUF, they make some pretty good factory tunes, but the only problem for me is that RUF never touched a 944 boxster.
I don't know much about the 944 edition, but from everything I've learned about Porsche...well, there's a reason they don't bother with boxsters. Or Chevy Cavaliers, or Ford Fiestas either... lol
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Read some of the first post. None of the others. All i have to say is if you do that your no better than EA. Tho i don't think it's a crime what they're doing, it does suck. But EA and Porsche have been tight for a lonnnggg time so i am not surprised.
Now don't get me wrong i LOVE Porsche, but i don't think it makes or breaks the game by having them or not. If anything why not just add the new RUF'S? It's still a Porsche at the end of the day.
Now don't get me wrong i LOVE Porsche, but i don't think it makes or breaks the game by having them or not. If anything why not just add the new RUF'S? It's still a Porsche at the end of the day.
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I think these "exclusive deals" only truly hurt the automaker. For one I used to love Grid. Raced it all the time and thought it was hot-stuff. Never had any experience with GT before 5. Been racing 5 for almost a year now. Decided to give Grid a go again and it was pathetic compared to GT.
Knew for a little while I'd have to buy a new car and Toyotas have always been my favorite. But because of my experience with Nissans in GT5 it made thinking of them a lot easier and they got a sale because of it. Bought a Versa for the 60 mile round trip to and from work. Probably wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the realistic experience with other Nissans in GT5. Probably would have bought a Prius or something.
Porsche is losing out because many probably won't buy one because they're not being exposed to them in a game like GT5. I can understand Formula One handing out exclusive gaming rights but a manufacturer should want to get it's cars into as many "favorable" games as possible.
Knew for a little while I'd have to buy a new car and Toyotas have always been my favorite. But because of my experience with Nissans in GT5 it made thinking of them a lot easier and they got a sale because of it. Bought a Versa for the 60 mile round trip to and from work. Probably wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the realistic experience with other Nissans in GT5. Probably would have bought a Prius or something.
Porsche is losing out because many probably won't buy one because they're not being exposed to them in a game like GT5. I can understand Formula One handing out exclusive gaming rights but a manufacturer should want to get it's cars into as many "favorable" games as possible.
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I submitted that link, looks like you're just skimming over my posts ha!
The reply wasn't addressed to me but allow me to provide some background:
Volkswagen Group and Porsche are German engineering altar not only locally, but in the world so in this case one has to see the bottom line why they acted as such, which is VW's IP watering down and disappearing if external entity would buy the company.
Example in case, Lotus. Lotus is owned by Malaysian Proton and in Asian market you can buy Protons tagged with "engineered by Lotus" sticker, which is far from truth as it can be, just brand abuse at it's best. Now Lotus has a problem in Asian markets, specifically China where every car manufacturer today wants to be (but has to accept the compromise of IP sharing due to specific manufacturing regulations there) with brand recognition and naming - Lotus being too generic of a name in Chinese and wrongly identified if in English. Don't get me started with Rover and MG that disappeared from world markets and only exists in China, one under a different name, Volvo sold and Saab being in process of selling. In Saabs case, there is a chance it will be sold only in China, so there goes another one down the drain.
Coming back to VW/Porsche, with such info on hands (or prediction) and being Porsche, would you allow VW getting chipped away on the market? especially since VW is most sought after brand in Asia. The VW owning titans like Audi, Seat, Skoda, and premiums like Lamborghini and Bugatti?
But I digress..
I was waiting for proper discussion from you and got it here
You were a bit short and dismissing in previous posts so I tried harder ha!I agree with you completely, proper increase of workforce while maintaining group sizes and with proper management system in place should work properly as you said. I wasn't saying to get more KYs though ahaha! Main gripe I had was people just claiming that employee head count is what differs T10 and PD. That's why I posted the picture in the first place
And i do believe it is mainly attention to detail that has them in the slower lane, not the head count itself. I am sure they had the game developed to extent of PS4 with KY being such perfectionist. Just watching some promo videos it seems like that. Comparing with the latest Group B seasonal on SPA one can see how a bit jerky the graphics can be when ther is more than one car in the frame, probably due to latest update raising the overall load on the system.
Ha! I see where that slight bitterness with PD comes from
For a person that bought four copies of GT5 I'd suggest you to buy F4 disc.
And it's not a snide remark, you being that invested in sim racing games like GT5, one F4 disc would make a welcome addition, especially having an XBOX at home already
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Whoah, I'm sorry if I made you feel that way, it wasn't my intention at all. I understand written word can be interpreted differently so I see why that might be the case, but I wasn't insulting.
I have rarely addressed you specifically to avoid such impressions.
When I said to enjoy the Huayra, I meant it, relating it with what I currently enjoy in GT5. I don't have means to enjoy F4 too haha..
Astroturfing comment was also not construed to include you, I really think they are here, reading and commenting, seeing how all the DLCs to great precision contain cars this community wants in GT5. And I am not being against Forzites or bashing T10, if you read my first comment here I said I would like both PD and T10 release Porsche DLC once the restrictions are lifted to celebrate Porsches freedom hahaha..
Anyway man, thanks for the constructive reply
I think PD have always had problems with licensing, not only Porsche but other manufacturers too. Don't forget, it's only now with GT5 that they finally got Maserati (albeit one car), Ferrari & Lamborghini. But I mean, where is Koenigsegg? Noble? No new RUFs? Again, I think they are too focused on Japanese brands and don't give enough attention to European and especially American brands.
The number of American cars in total in GT5 is, quite honestly, very disappointing. Not only road-legal cars but race cars, too. There are perhaps 15 or so total.
The number of American cars in total in GT5 is, quite honestly, very disappointing. Not only road-legal cars but race cars, too. There are perhaps 15 or so total.
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Okay? We're talking massive generational gaps in history from that era to the era or now. You're going to use that figure of when gaming wasn't as big as now against my figure where gaming is much larger, wow. The point was the PS2 was a sony cash cow and they wanted to keep it going for a little longer hence why the PS3 was out later than the XBox 360. Yet when new items are brought to the open market and especially when titled next generation, people tend to move toward that. Hence why the 360 was a big maker in the console war early on. Just saying
Anyways let's stay on topic please, since that had nothing to do with this thread accept showing Tenacious that his post are misleading and always the same about attacking MS.
Hahaha! No problem man. Just wanted to point that earlier or more powerful (as in PS2 vs XBOX) isn't always better.
Very true. I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of thing changed the way Ferrari lincense works. Remember that before, Ferraris were in NFS (up to the PS2 Hot Pursuit – correct me if I'm wrong. After that, it went towards more realistic driving games.
Also, I remember reading somewhere a quote from Jeremy Clarkson about GT4, where he said that some big manufacturers like Ferrari and Porsche were missing from the game, and his conclusion was that a lot of kid around the globe would grow up with the image of the NSX, RX7, Zonda, Skyline, Vettes, etc. as the cars/manufacturers to look for when older.
And that makes sense, since the GT series has already sold a total of +64 million units around the globe. For manufacturers, this is called unprecedent advertisement. And Porsche, out of GT and now out of Forza too, must be seeing this.
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This reality is the most puzzling to me.
It just seems like Porshe is blind to a "win win" proposition.
The benefit exposure for Porsche is immeasurable.
Not just for future sales and name recognition, but also the potential loss of goodwill toward the buying public,
by appearing to have a snobbish and completely indifferent attitude.
I could understand it a little better if it were exclusive with GT or Forza, but "Shift"?
The only thing I can fiqure is the old adage "money talks", is overruling all of the potential negatives, at least in Porsches view.
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Meh, I remember when NFS hadn't been able to get new Ferraris in the game after Hot pursuit I think, it really was annoying me to no end, then GT didn't have them until now so.. I actually heard about ruf in GT series, go figure.. I likened them a lot after, I remember there were promoting one 911 having 0-200 like 14 secs or something, wild.. I never liked Porsche itself much though till I played NFS Porsche Unleashed..
Anyway, I'm rumbling...
What I'm trying to say is that in this day and age a car manufacturer shouldn't allow itself to be tied to only one developer, be that EA, PD, T10 who cares... Nowadays it just makes me spiteful enough (instant gratification anyone?
) that I wouldn't buy the car IRL if I ever had the chance.
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Yes, but there's a problem with this, because SONY is being a bit coy with how well they're actually doing financially, to keep creditors, stockholders and the market in general happy with them. As I mentioned before, I read articles which the writer stated that the picture was rosy, and others in which they hinted that SONY wasn't doing so well.
Also, remember that SONY actually makes stuff. This is a ton more costly than cranking out software or entertainment, especially in the global depression. Plus, going into debt at ALL in this economic climate isn't wise if you're a business, but since most companies aren't swimming in funds, they often have to come to banks and investors hat in hand. They have to be very careful how far they go. SONY has sold off manufacturing assets to competitor/partners such as Toshiba and Samsung, who now makes all of SONY's displays. If they were sitting pretty money wise, I doubt they would have done that.
All this boils down to the fact that SONY has to pick and choose what they spend money on, because no matter how you cut it, they have to have massive funds available for the manufacturing side of their corporation, to make stuff and develop new technology, which is something Microsoft isn't worried about. When they hope to sell more camcorders, laptops and HDTVs than their competitors, we have to understand that the board looks at things like video games as how they work on a balance sheet. If GT5 is selling well without certain content, and this content will cost them X-millions of dollars to acquire, Kaz has to be a good diplomat and salesman to wrest those crucial funds from the company for his cause, because he's just one out of several dozen department heads clamoring for funding. This goes for expanding Polyphony with new modelers and artists too, and more so, because employing people is very expensive. And Japanese business is quite different from the way western businesses operate, and you can't make waves there like you can in America or Europe. It's not tolerated.
As for new Premium content, this takes a while to make, so we have to be patient. We know stuff is coming, but they can't crank it out like Turn 10 can, and you either get this or you don't.
As for the above discussions, I find it highly amusing that everyone is all about competition, unless it concerns Microsoft or EA buying up markets for themselves. Then all of a sudden, it's, "Oh... well, what's the problem?"
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Yes, but there's a problem with this, because SONY is being a bit coy with how well they're actually doing financially, to keep creditors, stockholders and the market in general happy with them. As I mentioned before, I read articles which the writer stated that the picture was rosy, and others in which they hinted that SONY wasn't doing so well.
Also, remember that SONY actually makes stuff. This is a ton more costly than cranking out software or entertainment, especially in the global depression. Plus, going into debt at ALL in this economic climate isn't wise if you're a business, but since most companies aren't swimming in funds, they often have to come to banks and investors hat in hand. They have to be very careful how far they go. SONY has sold off manufacturing assets to competitor/partners such as Toshiba and Samsung, who now makes all of SONY's displays. If they were sitting pretty money wise, I doubt they would have done that.
All this boils down to the fact that SONY has to pick and choose what they spend money on, because no matter how you cut it, they have to have massive funds available for the manufacturing side of their corporation, to make stuff and develop new technology, which is something Microsoft isn't worried about. When they hope to sell more camcorders, laptops and HDTVs than their competitors, we have to understand that the board looks at things like video games as how they work on a balance sheet. If GT5 is selling well without certain content, and this content will cost them X-millions of dollars to acquire, Kaz has to be a good diplomat and salesman to wrest those crucial funds from the company for his cause, because he's just one out of several dozen department heads clamoring for funding. This goes for expanding Polyphony with new modelers and artists too, and more so, because employing people is very expensive. And Japanese business is quite different from the way western businesses operate, and you can't make waves there like you can in America or Europe. It's not tolerated.
As for new Premium content, this takes a while to make, so we have to be patient. We know stuff is coming, but they can't crank it out like Turn 10 can, and you either get this or you don't.
As for the above discussions, I find it highly amusing that everyone is all about competition, unless it concerns Microsoft or EA buying up markets for themselves. Then all of a sudden, it's, "Oh... well, what's the problem?"
So how much was gt5 s budget? Pretty small, right?
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As for the above discussions, I find it highly amusing that everyone is all about competition, unless it concerns Microsoft or EA buying up markets for themselves. Then all of a sudden, it's, "Oh... well, what's the problem?"
It looks like I don't have anything else to do but to reply to everyone haha..
I won't bother about SONY, they're one of the dinosaurs on the market and they can manage for themselves.
But competition is where many great things came to birth. I won't bother you with examples, I'm sure you could come up with some just off the top of your head.
Having monopoly over something, never did.
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You are aware that you have just publicly accused Sony of fraud on an Enron scale!
The figures I have used are from independently verified financial statements, these are legally binding documents that are required by law to have been checked and approved by independent auditors. You don't get to be coy with financial figures when it comes to releasing statements, it gets you locked up.
So to be quite blunt about it, are you accusing Sony of fraud on a global scale?
You don't actually know how to read financial statements do you.
The cash assets and credit lines I mentioned are after and separate to manufacturing costs, they are cash assets accrued over years of trading and credit pre-authorise based on a companies health (and financial statements - hence the reason why you have accused Sony of fraud).
Companies sell of parts of themselves for many reasons, it may well have been far more profitable to sell the display plants and buy them (as sales of Sony HDTVs have dropped that would seem to have been an astute move). After all they now have no manufacturing costs, buy only what they need and still gain for licences of any tech they developed being sold.
I'm going to be blunt here, either Sony are posting fraudulent financial statements or you are wrong. Now if you have some evidence of this please feel free to provide it.
Until then I will stick with what the rest of the financial markets worldwide use, and that's Sony's financial statements, which put cash assets in the billions of dollars.
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Warning: I'm going to spout some more nonsense, so if you don't like it, I suggest you toddle right along.
No, SONY isn't broke, obviously, I never said they were. But they aren't rich. They rely on revenues generated by the studio and computer entertainment divisions to fund the electronics division, which isn't making money in this global environment. Any money they have available is most likely earmarked to the Yen, and I doubt they have enough to do what they want, which means some borrowing. And there's the global money crunch to consider too, which... well, is a little too scary to get into. But what it boils down to is that every major corporation and bank is doing its best to reinforce itself against crushing global depression. And this means some cash and gold is in a vault somewhere just sitting.
If SONY was really rolling in money, why wouldn't they essentially double the size of Polyphony Digital, knowing full well that it's SCE's major money maker, and chunk out DLC every month? Especially when Kaz is the Vice-Pres of the division, and Polyphony is his proud family? Contrary to you guys' opinion, SONY isn't stupid, and they aren't meanies who love to hear us complain and cry. They invest in what makes them money. When they have it on hand to invest.
What this means for you guys: Polyphony Digital isn't going to expand as much as we would like. They may hire a couple dozen people or less, maybe some more if Kaz is persuasive. You aren't going to see all the new car DLC you'd like to. Even if they could whip up a dozen cars and a few tracks a month, they have to keep most of the goodies back to make GT6 attractive. A bunch of the new DLC may be reworked classic tracks. But if you'd like 10 completely new cars and a couple of never before seen tracks every two months, chances are you're going to be a sad camper.
Hey, I could be wrong, and SONY execs could be shutting Kaz out of "meetings" while they roll nekkid in millions of dollars worth of cocaine every day with high Yen prostitutes. But I somehow doubt it.
Yes, somewhat. And listen, I work in the U.S. Federal Government. The dirty little secret in commerce is that most businesses aren't as well off as they state they are, to one extent or another. Governments are infinitely worse, as just about every nation in the world is in debt. Global debt may actually be in the quadrillions of dollars, but you won't hear except in scant news blurbs that the G8 nations are technically bankrupt. Yes, everyone is fudging their books some. Of course, governments are flat out telling whoppers, and the biggest liars are in the Obama Administration.
No, SONY isn't broke, obviously, I never said they were. But they aren't rich. They rely on revenues generated by the studio and computer entertainment divisions to fund the electronics division, which isn't making money in this global environment. Any money they have available is most likely earmarked to the Yen, and I doubt they have enough to do what they want, which means some borrowing. And there's the global money crunch to consider too, which... well, is a little too scary to get into. But what it boils down to is that every major corporation and bank is doing its best to reinforce itself against crushing global depression. And this means some cash and gold is in a vault somewhere just sitting.
If SONY was really rolling in money, why wouldn't they essentially double the size of Polyphony Digital, knowing full well that it's SCE's major money maker, and chunk out DLC every month? Especially when Kaz is the Vice-Pres of the division, and Polyphony is his proud family? Contrary to you guys' opinion, SONY isn't stupid, and they aren't meanies who love to hear us complain and cry. They invest in what makes them money. When they have it on hand to invest.
What this means for you guys: Polyphony Digital isn't going to expand as much as we would like. They may hire a couple dozen people or less, maybe some more if Kaz is persuasive. You aren't going to see all the new car DLC you'd like to. Even if they could whip up a dozen cars and a few tracks a month, they have to keep most of the goodies back to make GT6 attractive. A bunch of the new DLC may be reworked classic tracks. But if you'd like 10 completely new cars and a couple of never before seen tracks every two months, chances are you're going to be a sad camper.
Hey, I could be wrong, and SONY execs could be shutting Kaz out of "meetings" while they roll nekkid in millions of dollars worth of cocaine every day with high Yen prostitutes. But I somehow doubt it.
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Warning: I'm going to spout some more nonsense, so if you don't like it, I suggest you toddle right along.
Yes, somewhat. And listen, I work in the U.S. Federal Government. The dirty little secret in commerce is that most businesses aren't as well off as they state they are, to one extent or another. Governments are infinitely worse, as just about every nation in the world is in debt. Global debt may actually be in the quadrillions of dollars, but you won't hear except in scant news blurbs that the G8 nations are technically bankrupt. Yes, everyone is fudging their books some. Of course, governments are flat out telling whoppers, and the biggest liars are in the Obama Administration.
No, SONY isn't broke, obviously, I never said they were. But they aren't rich. They rely on revenues generated by the studio and computer entertainment divisions to fund the electronics division, which isn't making money in this global environment. Any money they have available is most likely earmarked to the Yen, and I doubt they have enough to do what they want, which means some borrowing. And there's the global money crunch to consider too, which... well, is a little too scary to get into. But what it boils down to is that every major corporation and bank is doing its best to reinforce itself against crushing global depression. And this means some cash and gold is in a vault somewhere just sitting.
If SONY was really rolling in money, why wouldn't they essentially double the size of Polyphony Digital, knowing full well that it's SCE's major money maker, and chunk out DLC every month? Especially when Kaz is the Vice-Pres of the division, and Polyphony is his proud family? Contrary to you guys' opinion, SONY isn't stupid, and they aren't meanies who love to hear us complain and cry. They invest in what makes them money. When they have it on hand to invest.
What this means for you guys: Polyphony Digital isn't going to expand as much as we would like. They may hire a couple dozen people or less, maybe some more if Kaz is persuasive. You aren't going to see all the new car DLC you'd like to. Even if they could whip up a dozen cars and a few tracks a month, they have to keep most of the goodies back to make GT6 attractive. A bunch of the new DLC may be reworked classic tracks. But if you'd like 10 completely new cars and a couple of never before seen tracks every two months, chances are you're going to be a sad camper.
Hey, I could be wrong, and SONY execs could be shutting Kaz out of "meetings" while they roll nekkid in millions of dollars worth of cocaine every day with high Yen prostitutes. But I somehow doubt it.
Mindblowing. I love how you still create a direct correlation between Sony's overall funds and one small part of a secondary division putting out DLC for their videogame.
What about Naughty Dog, SCE Japan Studio, SCE Santa Monica Studio, Guerrilla Games, Media Molecule? How do you explain those developers being able to expand, release lots of DLC for their respective IP's? They're first party developers just like PD, why are PD getting the short end of the stick according to you?
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The attitude - its not required. You don't get to tell people what they can or can't do here.Warning: I'm going to spout some more nonsense, so if you don't like it, I suggest you toddle right along.
I didn't ask you for speculation, I asked you to provide some proof of it.
Oh and information on the state of government certainly is pretty much in the headlines on a daily basis, so its not exactly 'scant', nor is it the same as the legal requirements that business is required to follow.
You quite clearly stated that Sony were not a cash rich company in this post.....
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6454083#post6454083
...and that is simply not the case. You also appear to have once again failed to actually read the financial report, as had you done so you would have seen that most of the Q2 2011 losses were as a result of correction to Yen valuations. In other words the Cash Asset value already accounts for that.
Now if the Sony board are happy to provide that money to PD would be a commercial decision, and may be one they are not willing to make (particularly if the investment in the licence would not be recouped in the short term).
The problem is that's not what you said, you said the money was not present and it quite clearly is.
Why would they not do it?
Business 101, if the investment is not likely to yield the required income then its not worth it. To be brutally cold about it, PD brings in enough revenue without doing it.
Doubling the team (and as man power is likely to be one of the biggest overheads) and potentially the budget for GT6 is not going to double the sales, hell its unlikely to come close to doing that.
Your right in Sony not being stupid and as such they are not going to be stupid enough to throw more resource into a team that is unlikely to shift a significantly larger number of units as a result. From a purely financial point of view PD already sell enough at the current size.
While the bizarre imagery is not really helping out, that the Sony board is shutting out the VP of a single division from additional funds (when no guarantee the resulting income would increase to cover it) its not exactly a great leap at all.
The company I work for is cash rich, that doesn't mean that every request for additional funds is automatically provided, even if the department in question is one of the most profitable and fastest growing in its division (as mine is).
Bottom line is that the business case still has to be made regardless of how much cash is around; or maybe its because PD have already had additional investment this year.....
https://www.gtplanet.net/polyphony-digital-to-continue-expansion-in-fukuoka-japan/
...because a new office complex, relocate, etc is not exactly cheap and again flies in the face of Sony not having any money for investment. To 'borrow' you colourful little phrase it would seem that Kaz was more than in the meeting with the coke and hookers for that one (but then again that must be another of those 'coy' bit of info coming out of Sony to fool sharholders and the new office is actually a shipping container and an old tarp).
So why invest in a new office and not licences?
Well first off, we don't know that they are not trying to invest in new licences (and you will notice that I have said nothing at all in regard to that).
However if (and its a big if) they have, the most obvious reason is risk. A new office is mainly about taking cash assets and turning them into fixed assets, and given the volatile currency market that's a low risk investment that is likely to grow (slowly) over time. Licences would take cash assets and turn them into a potential to make money, and given that GT5 DLC is selling stupidly well without any new licences its a risk to say that the investment would yield any significant profit from DLC alone (GT6 would be a different matter potentially - but that's another story).
However the long and the short of it is; Sony have money and they are clearly investing it within the SCE division and beyond, that you want to ignore the volume of evidence is a little strange, but maybe you would be so kind as to let us know how they managed to find the £875 million (cash) to buy out Ericsson back in October.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/27/sony-buys-out-ericssons-stake-in-joint-venture-assumes-ownersh/
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Warning: I'm going to spout some more nonsense, so if you don't like it, I suggest you toddle right along.
Yes, somewhat. And listen, I work in the U.S. Federal Government. The dirty little secret in commerce is that most businesses aren't as well off as they state they are, to one extent or another. Governments are infinitely worse, as just about every nation in the world is in debt. Global debt may actually be in the quadrillions of dollars, but you won't hear except in scant news blurbs that the G8 nations are technically bankrupt. Yes, everyone is fudging their books some. Of course, governments are flat out telling whoppers, and the biggest liars are in the Obama Administration.
No, SONY isn't broke, obviously, I never said they were. But they aren't rich. They rely on revenues generated by the studio and computer entertainment divisions to fund the electronics division, which isn't making money in this global environment. Any money they have available is most likely earmarked to the Yen, and I doubt they have enough to do what they want, which means some borrowing. And there's the global money crunch to consider too, which... well, is a little too scary to get into. But what it boils down to is that every major corporation and bank is doing its best to reinforce itself against crushing global depression. And this means some cash and gold is in a vault somewhere just sitting.
If SONY was really rolling in money, why wouldn't they essentially double the size of Polyphony Digital, knowing full well that it's SCE's major money maker, and chunk out DLC every month? Especially when Kaz is the Vice-Pres of the division, and Polyphony is his proud family? Contrary to you guys' opinion, SONY isn't stupid, and they aren't meanies who love to hear us complain and cry. They invest in what makes them money. When they have it on hand to invest.
What this means for you guys: Polyphony Digital isn't going to expand as much as we would like. They may hire a couple dozen people or less, maybe some more if Kaz is persuasive. You aren't going to see all the new car DLC you'd like to. Even if they could whip up a dozen cars and a few tracks a month, they have to keep most of the goodies back to make GT6 attractive. A bunch of the new DLC may be reworked classic tracks. But if you'd like 10 completely new cars and a couple of never before seen tracks every two months, chances are you're going to be a sad camper.
Hey, I could be wrong, and SONY execs could be shutting Kaz out of "meetings" while they roll nekkid in millions of dollars worth of cocaine every day with high Yen prostitutes. But I somehow doubt it.
I am not reading any of this, and as much as I appreciate the moderator asserting your extremely off topic rambling, I also appreciate you telling me in advance, so I could save a little extra time in my life I would be upset wasting on it. No offense to you, I just come to this thread to hear chatter on GT5 DLC and future cars and all that, not unsupported claims about mega corporations we know nothing about because we aren't execs at such corporations. No offense, but being honest.
I submitted that link, looks like you're just skimming over my posts ha!
The reply wasn't addressed to me but allow me to provide some background:
Volkswagen Group and Porsche are German engineering altar not only locally, but in the world so in this case one has to see the bottom line why they acted as such, which is VW's IP watering down and disappearing if external entity would buy the company.
Example in case, Lotus. Lotus is owned by Malaysian Proton and in Asian market you can buy Protons tagged with "engineered by Lotus" sticker, which is far from truth as it can be, just brand abuse at it's best. Now Lotus has a problem in Asian markets, specifically China where every car manufacturer today wants to be (but has to accept the compromise of IP sharing due to specific manufacturing regulations there) with brand recognition and naming - Lotus being too generic of a name in Chinese and wrongly identified if in English. Don't get me started with Rover and MG that disappeared from world markets and only exists in China, one under a different name, Volvo sold and Saab being in process of selling. In Saabs case, there is a chance it will be sold only in China, so there goes another one down the drain.
Coming back to VW/Porsche, with such info on hands (or prediction) and being Porsche, would you allow VW getting chipped away on the market? especially since VW is most sought after brand in Asia. The VW owning titans like Audi, Seat, Skoda, and premiums like Lamborghini and Bugatti?
But I digress..
I was waiting for proper discussion from you and got it here
I agree with you completely, proper increase of workforce while maintaining group sizes and with proper management system in place should work properly as you said. I wasn't saying to get more KYs though ahaha! Main gripe I had was people just claiming that employee head count is what differs T10 and PD. That's why I posted the picture in the first place
And i do believe it is mainly attention to detail that has them in the slower lane, not the head count itself. I am sure they had the game developed to extent of PS4 with KY being such perfectionist. Just watching some promo videos it seems like that. Comparing with the latest Group B seasonal on SPA one can see how a bit jerky the graphics can be when ther is more than one car in the frame, probably due to latest update raising the overall load on the system.
Ha! I see where that slight bitterness with PD comes from
For a person that bought four copies of GT5 I'd suggest you to buy F4 disc.
And it's not a snide remark, you being that invested in sim racing games like GT5, one F4 disc would make a welcome addition, especially having an XBOX at home already
Whoah, I'm sorry if I made you feel that way, it wasn't my intention at all. I understand written word can be interpreted differently so I see why that might be the case, but I wasn't insulting.
I have rarely addressed you specifically to avoid such impressions.
When I said to enjoy the Huayra, I meant it, relating it with what I currently enjoy in GT5. I don't have means to enjoy F4 too haha..
Astroturfing comment was also not construed to include you, I really think they are here, reading and commenting, seeing how all the DLCs to great precision contain cars this community wants in GT5. And I am not being against Forzites or bashing T10, if you read my first comment here I said I would like both PD and T10 release Porsche DLC once the restrictions are lifted to celebrate Porsches freedom hahaha..
Anyway man, thanks for the constructive reply
[/QUOTE]I read all of this, but I am really busy and just didn't want to be rude because it seems like you spent a bit of time writing this (because it was so well constructed).
BUT, you or someone else made a comment about me being a Forza person and I am not, and it kind of got me going about my GT5 obsession. But now I feel bad because your writing makes you seem sincere and courteous, and like you were just being honest. So I just wanted to make sure you know I didn't mean to be rude, no harm intended. I'm not amazing at GT5 (average to above average), but I am a die hard GT junky. They will have to hard core ruin GT6 and GT7 for me to leave the series. Although I hope they don't make a GT6 edition PS3, because I don't really need 3 PS3s lol
