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I do not believe it does, if you did it in person maybe haha

zeromisfit999

I do not believe it does, if you did it in person maybe haha

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Maybe I should talk about my self in the third person. Doc thinks that would make him a narcissist.

Come to think of it, calling myself "Doc" when I dropped out of college is a bit of a red flag too. Hmm....

Yup pure narcissism, tried to defend you till that comment. haha

What's going on SNAIL's? Eight and a half hours and not a shred of BB, car/track, what-room-is-open, or dark/sarcastic humour!




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On a serious note, I tried the M5 around Rome last night. All I can say is WOW! I am constantly surprised in GT5 how good a car can feel yet be sooooooo different. The GT '06 was a great car (and one I hope we go back to very soon), but the M5 gives Rome such a different feel and should offer equal, but different, great racing.

How is this M5 in the draft? It seems to make a big hole in the air so could offer quite a pull for the car behind I'll have to get into the lobbies and look for folks to play with

Zer0, yer mailbox is full...

Handlebar

Zer0, yer mailbox is full...

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Sorry, there was a flurry of PM's sent and received last night. I've cleared out some more space so please resend what you were trying to.

Just wanted to mention I'm running a snail car room now. More tracks than our three, but for sure just this weeks cars.

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Please ensure you understand all the information is in the Magic Lap thread. The procedure changes often so make sure to read it before each race to see if there have been changes.


The next set of races will be Tonight, August 24th, at 10PM EDT.

Theme: Japanese Classics - As far as I can remember, which apparently isn't much, we haven't had a theme specifically dedicated to Japanese cars yet. But in many races so far, I've seen numerous drivers driving Japanese cars where eligible, most of them relatively modern. So to force them to drive something different, this week's theme will be classic Japanese cars. This is what Gran Turismo games are all about, it seems, and there's no shortage of cars to choose from.

If someone wants to be cheeky and use the Toyota 7, I can't stop them, but don't plan on using it the whole night.

You'll see me in a Toyota Sports 800 for sure, and possibly some historic rally cars. I'm allowing cars up to 1985 because they're classic enough, and we need some faster cars to kick the butts of the slower ones.
Track: Suzuka Circuit
Car Restriction: Country of Origin: Japan, Year: 1985 or earlier

Most importantly, please give the racing your full attention and try to keep things going as quickly as possible. Races can be set up very quickly if everyone is paying attention, but it can take forever if one person is dilly-dallying. We want to race as much as possible and we can't if there are people unprepared. In the same vein, if you show up and have not taken times for your cars, you will be asked to go to another room to get times before returning and racing. If I let one person get times in the lounge I'll have to let everyone, and we'll be back to running two or three races a night. Not good.

Finally, this is a fun, whimsical event that isn't meant to be entirely competitive. However, it is not dirty. I expect everyone to follow the OLR rules during the races. Concentration is especially important in these short races as one mistake can cost you or someone else everything. Instead of concentrating on speed, please focus on consistency and avoiding mistakes. I assure you that will make the whole night much more fun.

Hitting D1 for some practice, the Open room looked like it was dissolving into real life time. :-)

Probably working on the NSX & BMW mostly.

Handlebar

Hitting D1 for some practice, the Open room looked like it was dissolving into real life time. :-)

Probably working on the NSX & BMW mostly.

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Thanks! I needed a bit of runnin' 👍

I really like the NSX at Motegi. I never really liked that track before but after 95 laps on it I'm beginning to "get" it.
The NSX is a great fit for the course, as well, and the RH tires give it just enough give to keep things interesting.
Well done, dabney.

Apmaddock

I really like the NSX at Motegi. I never really liked that track before but after 95 laps on it I'm beginning to "get" it.
The NSX is a great fit for the course, as well, and the RH tires give it just enough give to keep things interesting.
Well done, dabney.

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I was thinking much along the same lines. I've only run about 25-30 laps (dunno where you found the time to run 95 ), but the combo just feels right, and I almost never like NSXs. They're mid-engine, but they usually feel like the engine is hanging 5 feet behind the rear bumper.

I think turns 2-5 are going to separate the boys from the men.

Apmaddock

after 95 laps

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I hope you changed tires
Speaking of tires, I'm happy with the fall off on this combo, not too drastic. Only losing a touch over a second over the full run.

Kudos to dabney for getting this one right 👍 I'm looking forward to running in a pack through 2-5, like Doc said. It should be exciting

I think the first three turns, especially in the second race, will be... exciting.

If they are only exciting, I'll be quite pleased!

The Wife has claimed her right to the big tube tonight, so no Magic, nor general mayhem on my part. I hope to run some practice schtuff Saturday morn/semi-early.

See y'all 'round the track.

95 laps was what it took to break the NSX in from scratch. I've not been doing enough practicing lately so I figured I had better force myself somehow. Breaking the things in personally seemed like a good way to do it.

I'm still inconsistent but my times have picked up. Admittedly, I still haven't run a lap with it fully broken in, but I managed a few 1:28s (I'm trying to remember if there was a 1:27 or not in there but just can't recall. I suppose all of those laps have blurred together a bit.)

…and you're completely right about those right-lefts.

I assume to break it in you're driving offline? Because the physics in the lobbies are usually quite a bit different than the physics in say, practice mode. Just something to keep in mind. Personally, that's the only reason I don't practice and break in my car at the same time, though I suppose it wouldn't hurt if I was just learning a track.

dylansan

I assume to break it in you're driving offline? Because the physics in the lobbies are usually quite a bit different than the physics in say, practice mode. Just something to keep in mind. Personally, that's the only reason I don't practice and break in my car at the same time, though I suppose it wouldn't hurt if I was just learning a track.

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Don't quote me on this, but I think you can break your car in online if you actually run races instead of running in qualifying mode. I know you can dirty the oil this way, so I assume it would break-in the engine as well.

DrKronin

Don't quote me on this, but I think you can break your car in online if you actually run races in stead of running in qualifying mode. I know you can dirty the oil this way, so I assume it would break-in the engine as well.

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I'll have to check this, but as far as I remember, my mileage hasn't changed after doing an online race. I know the mileage goes up during the race but I'm pretty sure it resets it when you leave the room. Maybe I'm crazy though.

In other news, I'm testing my cars for Magic Lap now in the D3 room, if anyone wants to join me!

dylansan

I'll have to check this, but as far as I remember, my mileage hasn't changed after doing an online race. I know the mileage goes up during the race but I'm pretty sure it resets it when you leave the room. Maybe I'm crazy though.

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I'm curious now. I may have to test this out myself, although I probably won't have a chance until Sunday. The memory I based that statement on is a bit old at this point, so I could definitely be wrong.

I'm almost certain racing online does add mileage to the car. 99% certain or more.

I am practicing offline (GT Life / Practice / One Make Race), but I rarely notice enough of a difference online to offline to actually change how I race. Perhaps one day I will be more consistent and it will be more noticeable, but today isn't that day.

Admittedly, though, this is the first time that I've put in this much practice offline for a weeks' races.

We have several levels of incidents, each with their own point penalty ranges. This will allow us to better penalize people based on the scope of the incident. The levels are as follows:

Level 1: A bump. This is more than "incidental" contact. Some incidents not including direct contact may also be considered a penalty at this level. Likely this was just an accident or lapse of concentration that created an incident. 1-4 Point Penalty

Level 2: A shove. This may be the result of carrying too much speed into a corner or braking too late, causing moderate to major contact. A lack of situational awareness may have been at fault. 5-8 Point Penalty

Level 3: The offending driver was likely too aggressive in a pass, creating a situation where his car met another at a drastic difference in speed. This incident showed a lack of good racecraft. 9-12 Point Penalty

Level 4: This is an incident from which complete recovery is realistically impossible. The offending driver likely came on an overtly aggressive line or made a move that directly put others in jeopardy. There was no intent to impede or cause an incident, but the driver clearly showed a lack of judgment and a disregard for the tenets of good racecraft. 13-16 Point Penalty

Level 5: A particularly egregious incident. Intention may be believed or even known. Incidents of this caliber are race-ending and reputation-scarring. 17+ Point Penalty. This level of penalty would require extensive discussions by the Stewards and the guilty party, and would be open to any penalties as we see fit.

- Any of these penalties except for level 5 could be halved with the proper concession after the fact during the race.
- These levels are guidelines for us and you, and other penalties may be assessed as deemed necessary.
- Each of these penalties will bring about a probation period based on the level. A level 1 penalty will bring a 1 week probation period, level 2 brings 2 weeks, etc. The probation period doubles the effect of any incurred penalties.
- Multiple penalties in one week will be added to create a longer probation period: i.e. Level 1 + Level 3 penalties = 4 week probation.
- A maximum 6 week probation period can be incurred. At this point, the Stewards and the penalized racer will need to have a conversation.
- Multiple penalties during one week will not double the penalty points for that week.


Penalties for ghosting violations, or for cutting corner or going four wheels off track to gain an advantage can be reported directly to the Steward by any driver witnessing the problem without talking to the other driver first.


Stewards have the ability to assess penalties that are found during race reviewing, but we will not actively look for things to penalize.

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In addition, I would like to announce the new S.N.A.I.L. OLR!

This is, in many respects, identical to the GTP OLR, with the new parts highlighted in green. Some parts have changed, but the general tenants of racecraft have not.

Read it. Learn it. Live it.


Green text highlights the differences between this and the GTP OLR.

The S.N.A.I.L. OLR​

01: S.N.A.I.L. OLR General Rules:

A:
These rules are subject to change as there are constant updates/changes coming out for GT5, it is your responsibility to update yourself on the changes. The Stewards will post in the thread when a change has been made and what the change entails.

B:
All drivers are expected to make themselves familiar with the racing rules before entering any race or competition. If you stumble across a rule that is unclear to you, make sure you fully understand that rule before you enter the race or competition. You can post your questions in the S.N.A.I.L. thread.

C:
You are expected to compete in a fair and honest manner. Fair and honest means according to the S.N.A.I.L. online racing rules, not according to your own interpretation of fair and honest.

D:
You are expected to drive responsibly in a way that’s not likely to ruin the racing enjoyment of your fellow drivers.

E:
You are expected not to submit to bad general behaviour under all circumstances.

F:
Try to maintain a generally affable nature with the rest of the group; both in the thread and on the game. Some friendly rib-jabbing is expected. This isn't church.

G:
You are expected to behave like sporting gentlemen and women at all times.

H:
The position of other drivers must always be respected.

I:
Aggressive driving is strictly prohibited.

J:
Cutting the chicanes or "shorting" the track at any point is strictly prohibited on all parts of the track, including the asphalt-areas in behind out-of track-lines. Track specific boundaries will be clarified for certain tracks if it is not generally obvious.

K:
If a driver wants to retire from a race, the driver concerned must not exit the race. The driver must find a position on the track where the driver will not endanger other drivers, park their car by coming to a complete stop and turning on the emergency brake and wait for the race to end. If you do not come to a full stop and turn on the brake your car may drive on by itself

L:
No careless driving. Always show respect for your fellow racers. Be careful. Show some patience. Understand the limitations of your car and yourself and drive accordingly. Driving online in a racing sim is NOT exactly the same as real life racing in every respect. Familiarity with the car and track is expected. Do not go into a Sunday night without having practiced and expect to be able to late brake or make other aggressive maneuvers without incident.

M:
If you are found guilty of any of these rules, the behaviour will be evaluated and penalty assessed by the Race Stewards as per the penalty system..

N:
When racing or entering a S.N.A.I.L. Sunday night race, all racers are expected to have fully broken in cars with a fresh oil change. All racers' cars should have the same horsepower, PP and tires.


02: Event Participation:


A:
If for any reason you know prior to a race you’ll be unable to attend, please advise by posting on the thread as soon as possible. An advanced notice of 24 hours is expected. Notices inside of 24 hours are still expected. If you fail to note your absence at all, you may be putting yourself first in line for relegation.

B:
As a general rule, if there isn’t a stated rule, then the rules as they are within a program will apply - both intentional and coincidental. I.e. the way a matter is handled by a racing program is the way that it will be interpreted by the Race Stewards.


03: Pit Etiquette:

A:
Cars on the race track have right-of-way over cars entering the race track from the pits. You have to take care not to interfere with other drivers on the track. Swerving in front of upcoming cars is not allowed.


04: Rules Governing Car Contact:

A:
Contacts and collisions must be avoided at all costs.

B:
Pushing other cars in turns or pushing them off the track is strictly prohibited.

C:
Leaning on other cars is strictly prohibited in any situation.

D:
Some contact through a corner or through a pass may not be avoidable and may be deemed "incidental" should it not appear to affect the likely outcome of the section in question.


05: Running into the car ahead of you:

A:
The behind driver must take all necessary care and responsibility not to run into an ahead driver.

B:
In case you brake too late for a corner or partially lose control of your car, you must do your best to avoid making the loss of control into a bigger incident. Some contact may be avoidable in these situations, but you are expected to minimize the impact of it to the best of your ability. Accidents may happen.

C:
The ahead driver must not do any malicious or inappropriate braking or slowing. Leading cars MUST NOT EVER 'brake check' the car(s) behind them because they are following too closely. The ahead driver IS entitled to be slower or use longer and earlier braking zones than others. They are also entitled to turn in earlier or later and/or apex earlier or later.


06: Contact Concessions:

A:
If there is contact between drivers that results in the guilty driver making up places on the innocent driver, the guilty driver should immediately allow the innocent driver to pass freely to re-establish their position. This rule should be observed, even if it means the guilty driver has to allow drivers not involved in the incident to pass while waiting for the driver they contacted.

B:
If the appropriate contact concession is carried out by the guilty driver then they may avoid or reduce the severity of any penalties that might otherwise apply as per the S.N.A.I.L. penalty system.

C:
If the appropriate contact concession is not carried out by the guilty party then greater penalties would apply.

D:
If you have to slow down to let the other player through, move out of the racing line first before you slow down. Coming to a full stop is not allowed, just continue at a lower pace out of the racing line until the other driver passes you again.


07: Corner Rights:

A:
When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

B:
You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner’s turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver’s position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.

C:
If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit.

D:
The turn in point is the point at which the leading car begins their turn into the corner–this may vary from the point at which you turn into the corner.

E:
If an ahead driver has clearly made an error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. However, the overtaking driver must still avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not necessarily justify a passing move. The ahead driver getting a bit out of shape at times doesn’t give you an automatic right to force a pass. You still have to pass safely and without undue contact.

F:
Drivers are expected to set buttons up for side views as "I didn't see you" is not an excuse if you collide with another driver when racing.


08: Standing Start Guidelines:

A:
Additional caution and care must be taken when beginning a race with a standing start. All of the above rules in regard to contact apply during the start and first corner of the race.

B:
Be Patient. Begin the race at a normal pace that will not cause you to run into cars in front of you. Don't begin by steering to one side and attempting to barge through the pack. Conversely, don't begin at a slow pace that will make you an obstruction or barrier to cars behind you.

C:
Your goal on turn 1 should not be to get to the front, but rather to continue racing cleanly picking up one spot at a time. Look ahead more than one car. Due to field compression, a compact field will run slower through the first few turns than a spread out one. Leave some extra space, but not too much. Drivers behind you won't be expecting sudden braking. If you are behind a few cars in line, be prepared to brake extra early for a turn, as each car will be braking a bit farther back on the track than the one in front of it in order to avoid contact.

D:
A racer who runs into you may have been punted. Don't automatically assume malicious intent.

E:
All of the rules in regard to contact concession apply if you knock a racer off track during the start of the race. If you cause a wreck, you are required to wait for all players who go off track as a result, regardless of whether you contacted them directly or not. If you are involved in a wreck which you did not cause, you are not required to wait


9: Defensive Driving:

A:
Leading cars have the right to choose their own line down a straight. They can change their racing line once while driving down a straight (Move from the outside line to the inside, or vice versa). As they approach the next corner, they can return to the racing line of their choice. However, they are not allowed to change their line when the behind driver is directly behind and changes his line to try and make a pass. If your movement causes an accident, you are responsible.

B:
Leading cars have the right to take their line of choice through corners. I.e. they may drive a defensive line around the inside of a corner to protect their position, thereby forcing an attacking driver to try to pass around the outside. This is not blocking and is part of normal racing etiquette. In fact, apart from the restrictions of rule 10:A, a leading driver can drive any line which they feel is the most inconvenient for any following car to try to pass them.

C:
Drivers that are about to get lapped have to make sure not to interfere with the lapping cars. The driver being lapped should stay on the racing line but slow down just enough to allow the lead driver an easy pass. Keep your racing line predictable and try to stay out of the way.


10: Group Battle:

A:
When approaching a battle with 2 or more cars, be extra careful since those cars can change driving lines quickly when trying to defend/overtake. The cars in front will already be driving close, so finding a good overtaking spot is much harder. The same rules apply as when overtaking a single car.

B:
If you cause a crash in a group battle wait for all the effected drivers who were in front or/and driving next to you and let them get past. This doesn't include affected drivers who were driving behind you.

C:
When a crash occurs in a group battle, it’s vital to minimize risks for additional crashes. Slow down if needed, and try to drive on the clear side of the track. Overtaking is still allowed, but only under 1 or more of these conditions:
• The risk of hitting other cars is minimal.
• You overtake to avoid crashing into cars in front of you.
• Slowing down would make you a mobile obstruction for other cars.

D:
When you get 'locked up' in a group battle on the straights, you are not allowed to bump the driver in front of you in order to free yourself out of that situation. Stay behind that driver or move sideways as soon as there's sufficient room to do so. This rule does not restrict bump drafting.


11: Initial Fault:

A:
If you make a significant driving error and another driver or drivers attempts to capitalize on it, they have the right to do so. Do not try to collide or retaliate because of your error.

For Example: If you go wide at a corner and a close behind car tries to take advantage of this by moving up the inside, you should leave room for them, whether or not they had overlap going into the corner. They must also leave you room. This rule doesn't apply to small errors that don't affect the speed, direction and outcome. This is a bit of a grey area and requires good judgment on both parts.

B:
You can always protest after the race if you think you’ve been wronged by notifying the Division Steward and the other racer/s via Private Message ONLY. Do not flood the forum with he said, she said business or we will throw out your protest.


12: Ghost Cars:

A:
A ghost car is any car that is transparent and/or flickering transparent.

B:
If your car is a ghost car, you take on the responsibilities of the following "Recovering from an incident" and "Re-entering to the track after running off" topics as you are at fault. You also give the correct driving line to the non-ghosted cars (taking a turn wide so others can pass on the inside). Do not return to the driving line if possible until your car is back to the normal state. This may be hard to tell if you use bumper cam, but do your utmost to determine your state. Naturally, if you are serving a penalty, assume you are ghosted.

C:
If you are approaching one or more ghost cars on the track, you must avoid any contact with them at all as they may return to a normal state immediately. Then the contact would be your fault and in turn you may become a ghost car and have to make room for others while you car slows due to the penalty. Passing through a ghost car that is not entirely out of control in an effort to pass them will bring a penalty.

D:
If your car becomes a ghost, you are not permitted to overtake other non-ghosted cars. If you happen to overtake a car while being a ghost, you must return to your original position safely.

E:
If your car is a ghost you are not allowed to intentionally drive through other cars, just as they are not allowed to drive through you. In short, all cars on the track should be considered solid, no matter what state the game displays them.


13: Recovering from an incident:

A:
It is the responsibility of the driver recovering from any incident to take all necessary care to not interfere with any cars still on the track and not part of the incident. A relevant incident may include, but is not limited to -
• Being spun out
• Facing the wrong way,
• Perpendicular to the track
• Going abnormally slow for where you are on the track.
• Getting penalized for any amount of time by the penalty system

If you are off the track then the rules on "Re-entering to the track after running off" apply.

B:
In the event that your car turns to a 'ghost car' you assume the responsibility of avoiding hazards at all costs, refer to 13-B.


14: Re-entering to the track after running off:

A:
It is the responsibility of the car returning to the track to ensure there are no collisions so that no other drivers have to maneuver or brake suddenly to allow you to resume racing. If there's a chance of a collision, wait and be patient as other drivers have the right of way.

B:
An off track incident includes:
• Being stuck or pinned to a wall or railing.
• More than two tires leaving the track at any one time
• Any situation where the car may lose control and create cross traffic

C:
Do not reverse back onto the track unless it is necessary. If you are backing up away from a wall first look around you to avoid a collision and as the collision would be your fault.

D:
Re-enter the track parallel to the road, slowly and gently, and always with great care. This gives you the best opportunity to see what’s coming up the track behind you, and it also gives drivers coming up on you the best chance to orientate themselves to your situation.

15: Track Boundaries:

A:
Colliding with or using walls, fences or other obstacle is forbidden, whether time is gained or not.

B:
Two wheels (except when airborne, where the vertical projection of the car onto the track counts) must be in contact with the track/circuit which includes the rumble strips and footpaths, but not grassed areas.

C:
All green areas are not part of the track unless otherwise stated by the Stewards prior to the race.

D:
Curbs, sidewalks/pavements are not part of the track unless otherwise stated.

E:
Tarmac/Asphalt or any other kind of surface mentioned above that are situated beyond the normal limits of the track, Run-off areas for example, are not part of the track unless otherwise stated.

F:
Any kind of rumble strip made of concrete, stone etc are part of the track unless otherwise stated.

G:
Tarmac/Asphalt partially covered with dirt or sand are part of the track unless otherwise stated.

H:
You must not use any cheats or bugs in the game. The use of cheats or bugs affecting the cars performance is forbidden.

I:
The use of external cheats is forbidden.

J:
The use of shortcuts which are based on bugs in the game is prohibited. The fact that the game will allow you to take shortcuts does not account for a valid run.

K:
Any other way of cheating we haven't thought of is forbidden.


16: Qualifying:

A:
Qualifying is not racing. Drivers should space out amply early on their out lap to completely avoid other racers and the effects of them.

B:
Drafting during qualifying is forbidden.

C:
If you have an off or are slowed during qualifying, it is your responsibility to maintain proper distance from the car behind you or pull over and wait for another gap before continuing on.

D:
In short, it is the ahead driver's responsibility to make sure that they are not so close to the behind driver that they can draft off of you.


17: Complaints:

All complaints relating to a racing incident must follow this procedure:
1. Contact the driver concerned and the Division Steward through PM.
2. Discuss in a manner that is constructive.
3. Name PM subject title 'Racing Complaint'
4. Supply Members PSN_Tag
5. Supply Round and Race of the incident
6. Supply Lap, Turn, and race time of the incident
7. Supply Details and any other relevant information relating to the incident

A driver has 24 hours to bring up a racing incident. The Stewards will review the incident and make a final decision no more than 48 hours after the race.

Apmaddock

I'm almost certain racing online does add mileage to the car. 99% certain or more.

I am practicing offline (GT Life / Practice / One Make Race), but I rarely notice enough of a difference online to offline to actually change how I race. Perhaps one day I will be more consistent and it will be more noticeable, but today isn't that day.

Admittedly, though, this is the first time that I've put in this much practice offline for a weeks' races.

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I remember the physics being particularly different on one of the races at SSR5, I think with the Viper. I remember practicing for it online, then being way different on Wednesday's practice. Particularly, the braking distances were much larges so you had to brake much earlier. The times were off by several seconds too.

Just for the record Ap, for a long time I always felt I was really inconsistent and I always wanted to get better, but practicing never really helped. It just pointed out how inconsistent I am. But one thing I learned along the way is that braking points are essential if you want consistency. I had always just sort of guessed where to brake, and I had reasonable times, but I was never taking the corners as quickly as I could, and when I did, I never did it again.

You make already be paying attention to that, but if not, do so. Braking points, and turn-in points also, but that often comes naturally with the braking point. You just sort of feel where to turn in, or at least I do.

Thinking about where you want to hit the apex is pretty important too. I always tended to hit the apex too early I think, but usually late-apex is faster, especially leading onto straights. But as long as you can hit the spot you're aiming for, you can test different points for yourself and see what's faster. I think that's the essence of driving quickly and consistently that isn't exactly common knowledge, but should be.

If you're skimming, what Dylansan is talking about means YOU!

Please Re-read - it's good information.

If it included a bit on the need to brake and not ram-(censor) the guy ahead of you in a reverse grid, I'd put it into a pantheon of statements.

Thanks Handlebar, though it's not like I figured all that out myself. I read a book called Going Faster from the Skip Barber Racing School, and it talked about that a lot, and I realized that if I wanted to be consistent, that would probably be the way to do it.

You might think it takes too much concentration to figure out all the braking points and that it will be much harder, and yes it is at first, while you learn each track and gradually memorize the markers. But once you do, you can actually be slightly lazy during racing. You no longer have to think about where to brake, you just do it when you know you have to. Well, being lazy is not a good idea, but you can focus on something else, like adjusting your braking points for traffic or tire wear. The less things you have to do at a time the easier they will all be and the less likely you are to make a mistake. 👍

As a side note, is anyone showing up today? I'm testing my fifth car right now, but I haven't heard anyone else mention this Magic Lap all week! Is it just an unpopular theme? Because it's probably my favorite theme so far, so I hope not.

In practice I'm finding what your saying to be absolutely true. On the S.N.A.I.L. combos in the past where I've had strong braking points I've raced much quicker, even leading the pack in lap times. Where I've been going off of feel the result was much the opposite.

Putting 90+ laps in has definitely brought me confidence in my braking points and with that has come consistency. Where I was racing laps that were separated by 5 seconds or more, I'm now within 2. At the same time the average time has gone down a bit. I'm happy with that!

Racing online doesn't add miles, I've done 20 laps at Laguna Seca in a Lexus IS-F and it was 1/0/0 afterwards

Were you racing or in free run?

I'll probably join Magic Lap around 11EDT.

Well, only one person has showed up and it's past ten, and I haven't seen any indication that anyone else is planning to. Unless the person here now wants to race, I think I'll postpone 'til next week.

In honesty I wasn't as prepared tonight as I wanted to be. Issues with the PS3 prevented me from using it for a bit. I wanted to do some testing on Suzuka to better approximate first lap times. Blah blah math statistics no-one cares.

Well now there's two other people. Maybe we'll do something?

Come on in to Snail3! I'm sure we both have some interesting car choices to share with you guys