Maz
Thanks for the above and to elaborate more.
At speeds under 35mph tyres in GT5 (particularly in higher torque cars) don't break away in anything close to a progressive manner, its as if the switch between grip and no-grip is digital rather than analog, no overlap seems to exist as you transition from one to the other.
Its best seen when trying to do a standing start launch (and I believe PD are aware of the issue - hence the number of rolling starts) the tyres don't spin up and catch anything like they should (and certainly don't sidestep the car). Its better when moving but at lower speed the same issues still seem to exist.
Having dug out GT5 and started playing around with it a lot more of late its one of those things that does seriously break the immersion for me, I've never driven a car that behaves like GT5 off the line or at lower speeds (and I've driven a lot).
Its an area that sim developers have always struggled with, but most have now resolved it (for the most part) but PD still seem to be working on getting it right.
I'll try my best to answer your question, Scaff. Unfortunately I had virtually no briefing beforehand and I was surprised to hear I would be having any time on GT6 demo when I arrived at the venue. I wish I'd known, could have spent more time testing things like this out.
What I can say, and please take with suitable scepticism or caution because I wasn't specifically trying to test this, earlier comments by myself have indicated that snap oversteer wasn't unusual but that was mostly the case during my earlier laps. After getting settled I can say that any time I lost the rear of the car at low speed was down to me being greedy with the throttle or careless with steering. Nothing was jumping out at me saying "wow that didn't take much to spin" while in the SLS, Dino, 370z or Countach. On the flip side, I didn't feel that during the chicane at the end of the lap, or turn 3 hairpin, that it was handling vastly differently to how I remember GT5, and the exit of turn 3 hairpin was the spot that I had the most incidents. The occasions where I felt the cars slowly letting go and I had some time to catch them were all at the last corner, but that was 3rd/4th gear typically. In turn 4, the very small left hander between the tight right handers, going over the kerb with too much throttle and steering angle did cause some drama.
Hi Maz
I do feel that the demo we got to play is what we will get in July as it is meant to be GT6 Demo and also have GT Academy event. It was quite telling it was still in early stages so maybe that is why it is coming out in July and not earlier.
That's a good point in that the GT Academy option, along with dealerships, GPS, tutorial were present on the main menu, but I'm not certain that guarantees we will get those options for the Academy demo. I guess it also depends how much of the demo download is geared towards Academy and how much towards casual GT6 gaming experience. The build at the event may have been specifically engineered to show off some of the features Kazunori covered in his presentation. I'll be very pleased if we do see those options in the downloadable demo so that there's more to do than just Academy.
I am surprised you and Alex struggled to get to grips with it early on, I didn't do many laps but I felt at one with it quite quickly.
Certainly no excuses from me here, it's always taken me longer than most to get used to new physics or settings. Alex I think had just not played GT for a long time.
Also, we're just not as awesome as you Saidur
My final go on GT6 was with the SLS GT3, I was trying to also get oversteer on that and also tried drifting it. That car had loads of grip, was surprised to beat whatever best time was set at time as I was throwing car left and right on straights
The time on any particular pod could have been set by any guest or even hired staff member not necessarily comfortable or familiar with Gran Turismo as all sorts of folks were stopping by to have a go. So don't assume you we're chasing an accomplished performer
Here is video of my second lap around Silverstone GP circuit using wheel, I wanted to like find out what settings were being used on this pod. I don't know if you can remember settings, that is if you helped set it up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBH3E7emNQ0
Before the final build was installed, Alex and I were typically setting pods up with no aids except ABS 1 and different cars on every pod, then only cars from manufacturers whose display cars were at the event. We were later advised when the final build was on to put driving line on and make all the pods feature the same 370Z on sports soft tyres with ABS 1 and no further aids on Silverstone International layout. Hope that helps. Should mention that I can't currently view your video from where I am.
should have probably gone over to Nissan area more, didn't know you had a bit of competition going on there. I suppose at least got to spend time with a Polyphony Digital employee for most of the day and also chief engineer of GT86, not often you get chance like that. Quite secretive as expected though (PDI Employee)
although I heard something interesting about video trailer they showed. I don't know if you aware of it or if I should say about it though.
There was no competition as far as I am aware. Alex and I were just chasing our own ghosts on any given pod when we had a chance to sit and play. Most of our time was spent on pre-final build so we couldn't chop and change combos and cars due to the demo crashing, therefore I spent a lot of time in the SLS and Alex the GTR. And once updated we put on the 370Z combo which we had some time on.
It's a bit of a joke yeah, Dion says in GT5 the fastest way is to enter like a boss and coast.
Wondering if the same is still true in GT6. Your last couple sentences here confirm that it is, in some cases at least.
Well that was one corner, Stowe. For almost all the other corners I was on the gas pretty much immediately after coming off brakes and beginning turn in, especially the slow speed corners.
Also hello Erik
Saidur, if the PDI guy gave you the info but didn't specifically say to not share it, I don't see a problem. It wouldn't be all that different from folks discovering a GT6 page on the GT website etc. if you were specifically asked not to divulge what you've heard about the trailer then don't, otherwise I don't anticipate an issue for you. The removal of the footage could have had multiple reasons, and at events like this you can always see there are more than just gaming considerations and not everything need signal high drama between PDI and manufacturers.
All the best
Maz