New PMC Comp.!! Theme You Have The Most Interest In! Hurry Vote Now!!

GrumpEone · Jan 12, 2008

I have noticed that there seems to be a lot of interest in PMC Competitions, with some new-comers like myself and RedHawk. And thanks to LdS' Artistic Competition, I see there is a lot of interest in a less restrictive Comp Format. So I have come up with a few ideas, toward a less restrictive than [2.0] competitions. I am still coming-up-with/ pondering a list of which tools/ filters can be used, but I may go with no restrictions except that all the elements in the photos are from GT4 PhotoMode.

Also I think that a double poll format would work well, where there is say 10 in the first poll, then the poll would narrow down to a Top 3, which would then be in the final poll determining the Winner, who would then pick the next weeks Theme Specifics.

Also if you have any ideas/ suggestions, let us hear them!!

[empty space] · Jan 12, 2008

erm? theres nothing wrong with the current 2.0 comps other than the host needs to pass them onto someone else if he doesnt have the time to run them

GrumpEone · Jan 12, 2008

[empty space];2884294
erm? theres nothing wrong with the current 2.0 comps other than the host needs to pass them onto someone else if he doesnt have the time to run them

I agree, there is nothing wrong with the current competitions (and I will still enter them), only just not enough of them. These comptitions got my PS juices flowing again after far too long in a creative slump. These competitions and PMC are why I still come around to GTP, other than a hint here and a code there. I'm just seeing if there is interest in a few more comps. If not so be it, if so I'll run a few, hopefully with a couple of co-hosts to determine who belongs in the polls, and to step-in in-case I get a real busy week, in the near future (with the construction season quickly approaching here in Michigan).

If there is a lot of interest, then I will be looking for co-hosts too.

[empty space] · Jan 12, 2008

the judges decide who go into the poll, not the people running the competitions.

GrumpEone · Jan 12, 2008

[empty space];2884305
the judges decide who go into the poll, not the people running the competitions.

And who are these 'Judges' (I've only been around here for like 3 months)?? And why can't the one's running the Comp, determine who's in the poll?? Does the new competitions really have to follow every rule/ way like it has been done before?? As long as the co-hosts can remain un-biased (unlike the voters), I don't see a problem.

[empty space] · Jan 12, 2008

yes. because the judges picked the theme and its up to them to decide if an image fits the theme or not.

GrumpEone · Jan 12, 2008

[empty space];2884316
yes. because the judges picked the theme and its up to them to decide if an image fits the theme or not.

So then the Judge, would be the one who Won the prev week, and picked the Theme Specifics... Right?? Or am I missing something...

Also, I've seen many a poll, where there were shots that didn't fit the theme. Wouldn't that be up to each Voter anyway?

[empty space] · Jan 12, 2008

GrumpEone
So then the Judge, would be the one who Won the prev week, and picked the Theme Specifics... Right?? Or am I missing something...

Also, I've seen many a poll, where there were shots that didn't fit the theme. Wouldn't that be up to each Voter anyway?

correct.

ive seen this too. it usually happens, iirc, when there wasnt 10 pictures and the the person in charge was rushing to get a poll up and wasnt paying attention.

heres also something for you to consider. normally the judges arent allowed to enter the comp unless theres less than the min entries or there is no min. if your new comps run the same way, you wouldnt be able to enter most of the time.

GrumpEone · Jan 12, 2008

[empty space];2884328
correct.

ive seen this too. it usually happens, iirc, when there wasnt 10 pictures and the the person in charge was rushing to get a poll up and wasnt paying attention.

heres also something for you to consider. normally the judges arent allowed to enter the comp unless theres less than the min entries or there is no min. if your new comps run the same way, you wouldnt be able to enter most of the time.

I'd figure that wouldn't matter if you have 3 co-hosts Plus the prev week winner as 'Judges' for who will be in a poll. Most Bias would be over ruled by the other 'Judges'. I can freely admit if a shot is better than mine (I'm my own worst critic), if I can find 2 others the same way, no problem. Plus, I'm sure 'The Field' would keep the Comp. in check. If there is enough interest, I nail down some more specific Rules.

It's like when I ran Football Pools in the past, you only need 2 people co-running it, to keep it honest, and the field of players keep the pool in-check. Same thing, only there are four, to keep it honest!

[empty space] · Jan 12, 2008

fwiw - id hate to be a judge and have my selection over turned because someone else doesnt see things the same way.

GrumpEone · Jan 12, 2008

[empty space];2884347
fwiw - id hate to be a judge and have my selection over turned because someone else doesnt see things the same way.

That why there would be four, one objection wouldn't get you knocked out. Plus, a lot of these Competitions only get 10-15 Entries- Actually all the entries could be in the 1st poll (determining the top three), and then the Voters would decide every thing, No need for judges, except maybe to rule out an obvious 'not-following-the-rules' situation; But that too could just be decided by the voters in the poll.

BTW- I appreciate the input, kinda like a mini brainstorming session...lol

Need more opinions people, what do you all think about our discussion/ suggestions/ rules?? This is where the rules to any new competitions are made!!

Nicknamealguem · Jan 12, 2008

Do you at least know what PMC means?

Ok, I hope you know the difference between PMC and 2.0 Rules.
Here:

I don’t want to sound rude or something. I’ll say from my point of view, from my experience in hosting competition (3 comps to date)

PMC means Photomode Competition, but it is also a Photoshop (or any other image editing program) rule name. There are 4: Unedited, PMC, 2.0 and Free

Crash competition, race cars only and rally cars only will never work, has competitions because it is a too specific, and it would die within 4/5 competition weeks. I used to run the Rally competition. It was close by lack of interest, and the main reason was that it was too restrictive. It always got 6/7 entries per week, and that’s is a bit sad for a competition. So, I am seeing that the same will happen to the Race cars comp, or the rally or the crash. They can also work has themes in the current competition running. The same goes to the unbuyables and the In-race. They work perfectly has themes for the current competitions, but very bad has stand alone competitions.

Also I don’t see the objective making an Un-Edited, PMC, 2.0 or Artistic Competitions, when those are already running. It is better to have 4/5 competitions with more than 10 entries, than have 10 competitions with 5/6 entries, has I am sure people have their own lives outside GTP, and that’s the reason why the Artistic Competition has a deadline of 2 weeks, because it isn’t easy to come up with something, take a shot and produce it in Photoshop, or whatever image editing program they have.

My advice to you, is to stick around more time, entering competitions, understand a bit more of these, and how this work, before open a competition on your own. And believe me, it isn’t easy. It has to be all study, and you have to see if people are interested or not. If you really want to host a competition, you can try to PM Slipztream, asking him if you can host the already existent 2.0 competition, but, not to sound rude or anything, I would rather have a more experienced person in the forum and Photomode to run it/host it.

The ideas for competitions that you present are good in theory, but they would never work.

GrumpEone · Jan 12, 2008

LdS
Do you at least know what PMC means?
Ok, I hope you know the difference between PMC and 2.0 Rules.

Yeah, I have a good handle on the meaning of the PMC, 2.0, and all that jazz, and the rules they are governed by. I'm not sure why you think I don't, as well as I don't know why everyone thinks that the new Competitions (if there's enough interest) will follow all the same exact rules as existing Comps.

LdS
PMC means Photomode Competition, but it is also a Photoshop (or any other image editing program) rule name. There are 4: Unedited, PMC, 2.0 and Free

Yes, and that is clearly stated in the poll, which is trying to see where the interest lies, more toward Un-edited or toward an artistic/ free style.

LdS
Crash competition, race cars only and rally cars only will never work,....it is a too specific.... It was closed by lack of interest...got 6/7 entries per week...

And this is a different time, this is a feeler thread/ poll to see if there is enough interest to start such specific Competitions.

LdS
Also I dont see the objective making an Un-Edited, PMC, 2.0 or Artistic Competitions, when those are already running. It is better to have 4/5 competitions with more than 10 entries, than have 10 competitions with 5/6 entries, has I am sure people have their own lives outside GTP, and thats the reason why the Artistic Competition has a deadline of 2 weeks, because it isnt easy to come up with something, take a shot and produce it in Photoshop, or whatever image editing program they have.

The reason of having more competitions, is just that, having more competitions. I have seen a lot of ramblings of some other users wanting more competitions as well. I understand that people have lives outside of GTP, but I also know that there are a lot of people still playing GT4, and snapping photos of thier races, in thier free time, wether or not there are any PM competitions at all.

LdS
My advice to you, is to stick around more time, entering competitions, understand a bit more of these, and how this work, before open a competition on your own. And believe me, it isnt easy. It has to be all study, and you have to see if people are interested or not. If you really want to host a competition, you can try to PM Slipztream, asking him if you can host the already existent 2.0 competition...

You act like these competitions are extremely complex, with really difficult rules to comprehend, and confusing to run. When actually they are pretty simple and to the point. The biggest issue is it takes a little time commitment.

LdS
...I would rather have a more experienced person in the forum and Photomode to run it/host it.

More experienced in the forum?? Why would this forum be different than any other forum?? Just because there is different interface options, then some of the other forums?? What do you really know about my experience/ ability to run a competition. Look I have run many competitions in the past, even back in the BBS days with ANSI graphics, before you were born (as long as your profile is correct, when I was your age) . As well as putting-together/ organizing Full Season Football Pools, Fantasy Football Leagues, Euchre Tournaments, etc. which are all far more complex to organize and keep track of, not to mention a handfull of those were for money, and you have to be far more oganized when you have pools with jackpots over a grand a week, if you make mistakes people are coming after you.
Would you really not enter a competition because you didn't know the experience level of the person starting the competition??

Like I said before, this is to see if there is enough interest in some new competitions. And the poll should speak volumes, if there is enough interest to start these new competitions I will start one, and move on from there. I'm not just going to take one person's opinion and not do it because of that. There are plenty of New Users everyday, how do you know that the comp would die?? Or maybe your crystal ball is just on the fritz.

Sorry if I seem abrasive, but I can get that way when challenged.

Nicknamealguem · Jan 12, 2008

I don’t by any means sound rude, abrasive or offensive in my previous post. I am just telling you my experience in running this kind of competitions.

Ok, so if you will go to create a competition with new rules, considerate removing the PMC and the 2.0 from the title of the competition, because that may leave to confusion (with those two rules).

Here, this may help, I learned a lot of things from this thread, hope you can get my point. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=97589

GrumpEone · Jan 12, 2008

LdS
I dont by any means sound rude, abrasive or offensive in my previous post. I am just telling you my experience in running this kind of competitions.

Okay, no problems here, just expressing my point of view. There was no personal attack, so it's not like i'd get offended by a post. It just came off as you had assumed a lot.

LdS
Ok, so if you will go to create a competition with new rules, considerate removing the PMC and the 2.0 from the title of the competition, because that may leave to confusion (with those two rules).

Most definately (if there is enough interest), any Rule changes would carry a new title/ aconymn for the 'Rule Set'. I already planned on that to avoid confusion.

LdS
Here, this may help, I learned a lot of things from this thread, hope you can get my point. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=97589

Sure I see your points, hopefully this poll will yield better results. Oh btw I like the Scenery Comp Idea too!!

Actually I thought the crash comp would work! I have great wipe-outs/ crashes when I take a Car I'm not used to, and try to take a unique angle on a turn (for a Comp Photo), and miss the line, or come in to pass too fast. I'm sure a lot of people could snap some shot of those mistakes, on thier way to getting thier objective photo. Some of the photos on the cutting room's floor are pretty good too.

redhawk · Jan 13, 2008

GOOD CALL! Lets GO!

Give me a few of days to think about my vote(s)!

redhawk · Jan 13, 2008

GrumpEone
So then the Judge, would be the one who Won the prev week, and picked the Theme Specifics... Right?? Or am I missing something...

Also, I've seen many a poll, where there were shots that didn't fit the theme. Wouldn't that be up to each Voter anyway?

Exactly!

GrumpEone · Jan 13, 2008

redhawk
GOOD CALL! Lets GO!

Give me a few of days to think about my vote(s)!

redhawk
Exactly!

I'm gonna give this poll a few days, and see the response, I won't start a new competition with only 6 or 7 people who actually are willing to vote, out of 102 views. But I'm ready if I see a good response, So, don't think, just vote!!

Oh yeah, Redhawk, I personally don't care, but some around here get really upset with double posts, so to avoid getting 'flamed' just use the 'Edit' Button at the bottom of your post. Also there is a + button in the lower right of each post, click on it, and it becomes a check. All checked items will be Quoted when you click 'Post Reply' button. Just in-case you didn't know.

GrumpEone · Jan 13, 2008

No wonder Why these polls don't get much response, after a day they drop off of the 'New Posts'.. Because Nobody posts in them. Any more suggestions, Ideas, or Comments??

redhawk · Jan 13, 2008

GrumpEone
No wonder Why these polls don't get much response, after a day they drop off of the 'New Posts'.. Because Nobody posts in them. Any more suggestions, Ideas, or Comments??

Well hey you got things moving along. My votes are due soon and I have some old buddies way back - PPL think I'm a nooobee. I been on this site for 2 maybe three years - just never bothered posting. It was PM comps thst sparked my interest!

Did you spot me on Google yet?

GrumpEone · Jan 14, 2008

redhawk
Well hey you got things moving along. My votes are due soon and I have some old buddies way back - PPL think I'm a nooobee. I been on this site for 2 maybe three years - just never bothered posting. It was PM comps thst sparked my interest!

Did you spot me on Google yet?

PM sparked my creativity again, and got me back into playing with PS, I still think there should be more Competitions!! (And please no more PM's from people explaining to me why there shouldn't be more, this is the place to discuss that)

Not Yet, just been trying to train a Range Rover to drift.

[empty space] · Jan 14, 2008

GrumpEone
Not Yet, just been trying to train a Range Rover to drift.

if youre referring to this weeks drift comp, good luck

i took some good awd celica drift pics which inspired this weeks theme. but, i had to throw into a corner faster/harder than i was comfortable doing. even then, when i gave it any throttle, itd straighten up and fly into the wall. :scared:

GrumpEone · Jan 14, 2008

[empty space];2885491
if youre referring to this weeks drift comp, good luck

i took some good awd celica drift pics which inspired this weeks theme. but, i had to throw into a corner faster/harder than i was comfortable doing. even then, when i gave it any throttle, itd straighten up and fly into the wall.

Yep, this weeks comp, I think I got it tuned now, still tough to drift though.

I had to add some ballast to the rear to carry a drift. Going over a 15 lap Drift session now, I'm sure I got a good one in there.

Also, Vote people, even if it's a no, only two more voters since yesterday.

SlipZtrEm · Jan 14, 2008

Getting activity in a thread has nothing to do with "No New Posts"... and bumping them up every day won't really increase traffic either. It's as simple as this; if people are interested in what you have to say, they will respond and show interest. If they aren't, they hit the back button and you're left with an extra view, nothing else.

No, the comps are not very complex, but you are asking to make them more so. We don't need 4 people trying to decide a poll, because our current system (which has been been in place for well over two years now) works without a hitch. Sure, one persons bias won't affect it, but the groupthink of some like-minded judges still can have some bias show up in the selections. And if the comp is running on a weekly basis, try getting four individuals to agree on final selections in a timely manner.

And yes, I think it's a valid point that someone with a fair amount of time currently at the forum hosts. Why? Because their time here has proven the board isn't some passing interest. I'm not saying you're going to leave anytime soon, but as you yourself asked... what do we know about you? When people see a name that's been around for a long time, they assume it will stay that way. I can probably count on one hand the amount of people I recognize that have been taking part consistently for as long as I have (so, over two years). Franz and Empty Space. Others have come and gone, and we have a few regulars that have shown up in the past year, but take a quick look at the gallery directory, and see how many galleries fizzle out in a few pages.

The fact is that the Competition area was bound for a decline. This game is now three years old, the limits have been pushed, and a new system has been out for a while. Plus, GT5 Prologue is reminding people a new game is on the horizon. Creating a bunch of new comps that just overlap with current ones won't bring new people in, it will just splinter an already small group.

Muzaffar · Jan 14, 2008

SlipZtrEm
Getting activity in a thread has nothing to do with "No New Posts"... and bumping them up every day won't really increase traffic either. It's as simple as this; if people are interested in what you have to say, they will respond and show interest. If they aren't, they hit the back button and you're left with an extra view, nothing else.

No, the comps are not very complex, but you are asking to make them more so. We don't need 4 people trying to decide a poll, because our current system (which has been been in place for well over two years now) works without a hitch. Sure, one persons bias won't affect it, but the groupthink of some like-minded judges still can have some bias show up in the selections. And if the comp is running on a weekly basis, try getting four individuals to agree on final selections in a timely manner.

And yes, I think it's a valid point that someone with a fair amount of time currently at the forum hosts. Why? Because their time here has proven the board isn't some passing interest. I'm not saying you're going to leave anytime soon, but as you yourself asked... what do we know about you? When people see a name that's been around for a long time, they assume it will stay that way. I can probably count on one hand the amount of people I recognize that have been taking part consistently for as long as I have (so, over two years). Franz and Empty Space. Others have come and gone, and we have a few regulars that have shown up in the past year, but take a quick look at the gallery directory, and see how many galleries fizzle out in a few pages.

The fact is that the Competition area was bound for a decline. This game is now three years old, the limits have been pushed, and a new system has been out for a while. Plus, GT5 Prologue is reminding people a new game is on the horizon. Creating a bunch of new comps that just overlap with current ones won't bring new people in, it will just splinter an already small group.

QFT. 👍

Don't need to say much, but there is no point on running a comp thats not gonna get entries. Even the current comps which are still running still have less entries than before (and sometimes even fails to reach 10 entries by the end of the week 👎) Its just a waste of your effort and you will just leave the comp to die like the rest of them. Be happy and just enter the comp which are already open. If your bored, go and update your gallery instead, and if your bored altogether, just play another video game. 👍 People ain't gonna be on GT4 for long now, more people are willing to move on to GT5 instead of playing GT4. Plus the fact people have REAL LIFE to deal with and don't always have the time to enter any comps or even have time to go online on GTP.

If your old enough to understand this, just think about this. Do you have any homeworks to do? Have to study for the semester? Got to go to work and do your job? Have a family and take care of the kids? Have friends to hang out with? Got errands to run? Just look at it this way. Nobody is gonna reply nor they will enter any comps if their busy, so don't bother opening a new comp. I'm not mad or trying to make you look bad (and I apologize if I did offend you in any way) just think about it first and don't jump into conclusions......

GrumpEone · Jan 14, 2008

Muzaffar Musa
QFT. 👍

Don't need to say much, but there is no point on running a comp thats not gonna get entries. Even the current comps which are still running still have less entries than before (and sometimes even fails to reach 10 entries by the end of the week 👎) Its just a waste of your effort and you will just leave the comp to die like the rest of them. Be happy and just enter the comp which are already open. If your bored, go and update your gallery instead, and if your bored altogether, just play another video game. 👍 People ain't gonna be on GT4 for long now, more people are willing to move on to GT5 instead of playing GT4. Plus the fact people have REAL LIFE to deal with and don't always have the time to enter any comps or even have time to go online on GTP.

Hey MM, why don't you worry about yourself, I am not inclined to listen to what a 16 year old, tells me to do with my time. Also I envy your youth, but some of us in depressed economies, have a hard enough time making ends meet, Paying bills rather than buying every new Console and every new game. GT4 will still be around for awhile, maybe a couple more years or longer, depending on when the PS3 actually drops down to a reasonable price (geez, people are still playing GT3, and new GT3 threads pop up a lot around here.). Yes Real Life, something you have little experience in, you don't know real life yet; Real life is when you start using video games as entertainment, because the more fun entertainment activities cost more than you can afford. Trust me, I'd much rather be building a Hot Rod, and going to tracks and racing for Real, But that is far too expensive. So I use GT4 to get out those racing urges.

I do agree with SlipZtrEm (someone who actually made logical valid points.), that there is a possiblity new competitions could splinter the exsisting Comp Field into too small of groups, but there is also the possibility of gaining more entrants, due to more exposure to the competitions.

Muzaffar Musa
If your old enough to understand this, just think about this. Do you have any homeworks to do? Have to study for the semester? Got to go to work and do your job? Have a family and take care of the kids? Have friends to hang out with? Got errands to run? Just look at it this way. Nobody is gonna reply nor they will enter any comps if their busy, so don't bother opening a new comp. I'm not mad or trying to make you look bad (and I apologize if I did offend you in any way) just think about it first and don't jump into conclusions......

Old enough to understand?? I'm twice your age son (I guess it's tough to look at a profile before a reply) No Sh_t Sherlock, of course no one will enter a comp if they are too busy, but from what I see there are plenty of people who make the time to enter current comps.

Yet again this poll states that already 7 ppl, support some kind of new comps, vs. only 2 that think there are too many already. You and LdS seem to be the only ones who are heavily against it, I guess SlipZ as well, though he didn't vote. Also, it seems from the vote so far, that the majority supports 'In-Race' style competition. So before you say "Don't Bother opening a new comp" look at the replies/ voting results and see you are still the voting minority.

BTW- Nothing you can say will offend me, so don't worry about that. And I don't think you made me look bad (even if you were trying).

I do notice that you enter a lot of comps, yourself, are you saying that if I started a new comp, you would not enter (even if you had the time)??

>> To All <<
To avoid confusion, I'm not looking to start 10 new competitions, but maybe one or two depending on where the interest lies. And if the comp only lasts 2 or 3 weeks then dies, so be it. But I won't start a new comp, without posting a thread like this one, to see if there is enough interest. Also, I was hoping to get more constructive comments, like [es] and SlipZ, on nailing down some rules, and the general workings of a Comp. And currently the poll is close to my requirements, for starting a new comp.

dylansan · Jan 14, 2008

I was against new comps before, thinking that you were planning a PMC comp with drivetrains as the themes. That to me is too specific for a long running competition. However, if you could come up with a new type of comp (not PMC, 2.0, Artistic, etc.), then it might be cool. If you wanted to create a new type of comp that isn't currently running, like the scenery competition, or the old photoshop competition. I think the Head to Head competition might be coming back though, so you might want to wait a bit for the interest in that to go back to normal after the initial huge amount of interest when it first comes back.

And I have to agree that I don't think Muzaffar Musa knows what he's talking about.

GrumpEone · Jan 14, 2008

MINICOOPER120
I was against new comps before, thinking that you were planning a PMC comp with drivetrains as the themes. That to me is too specific for a long running competition. However, if you could come up with a new type of comp (not PMC, 2.0, Artistic, etc.), then it might be cool. If you wanted to create a new type of comp that isn't currently running, like the scenery competition, or the old photoshop competition. I think the Head to Head competition might be coming back though, so you might want to wait a bit for the interest in that to go back to normal after the initial huge amount of interest when it first comes back.

And I have to agree that I don't think Muzaffar Musa knows what he's talking about.

Thank you, MiniCooper120!! It's nice to actually see something contructive here again. Actually I was thinking of something similar to LdS' Artistic Comp, to where there were no rules other than, all the elements come from GT4, and that it follows the theme of the week. Also as for 'Judges', I think they are un-needed, just poll all the entries (as long as it is less than 100), and let the voters decide who followed the theme. Also I liked Redhawks Idea of entering your best 3 shots, and all 3 go on the same 'voting line', though I'm not sure how well that would work. I hope the Scenery Comp comes back, because it will get people looking more into thier backgrounds, which on a handfull of entries is seriously lacking; and that should spread to all the other comps, Improving the whole!

dylansan · Jan 14, 2008

Actually the old Photoshop comp used to allow three entries, although they would still be separate on the poll. After all, we are voting on the pictures, not the artists.

I like the idea of not having judges, but it really comes down to whether or not you want to spend that much time making the poll. It's a lot of annoying coding and since it posts the thread before the poll is completed, you get a lot of people asking where the poll is (super annoying).

Anyway I hope you eventually get a comp running that keeps people's interest. Like I said, now may not be the best time, but you have a lot of good ideas.

Pebb · Jan 14, 2008

I reckon another photomode competition, may kill off some more galleries.

New PMC Comp.!! Theme You Have The Most Interest In! Hurry Vote Now!!

Please vote for any theme you have interest in, but only 1 of the last 5 (**).

Un-Edited Crash Competition (Post your most Hilarious/ Hellatious Crashes/ Wipe-outs)

Crash PMC [2.0] (Post your most Hilarious/ Hellatious Crashes/ Wipe-outs, [2.0] Rules)

Race Cars Only!! PMC Artistic Comp (Race Cars Only, all Elements must be from GT4)

Race Cars Only!! PMC [2.0] (Race Cars Only, [2.0] Rules)

Rally Cars Rally Cars Only!! PMC Artistic Comp (Rally Cars Only, all Elements must be from GT4)Only!

Rally Cars Only!! PMC [2.0] (Rally Cars Only, [2.0] Rules)

Un-Buyable PMC Artistic Competiton (Un-Buyable Cars Only, all Elements must be from GT4)

Un-Buyable PMC [2.0] (Un-Buyable Cars Only, [2.0] Rules)

In-Race PMC Artistic Competiton (In-Race more than one Car in shot, all Elements must be from GT4)

In-Race PMC [2.0] (In-Race more than one Car in shot, [2.0] Rules)

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**I would be more likely to enter a Artistic Competition (All Element must come from GT4)**

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