Braking - Full on or gradually?

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Hello everyone, this is the first thread I've made here (I think, longtime lurker, so to speak).

I've been playing some GT5P lately (I'm a GT veteran, though far from pro), and I was trying out for gold in A-7 (I think, the F430 one). No need to say it, but I didn't make gold yet. I tried and tried, but all I could get was 3rd. So, I looked at the rankings and downloaded a replay by one of you GTP pros.
I am trying to learn from you all as much as I can, great drivers here, lots to learn, but while I was watching the replay, I noticed that, and it's not just this one driver (Sorry' I can't remember your name now :ouch: ), he was breaking gradually at the first tight left band at Daytona road course.

Now, I am always breaking full on before a corner (and it seems like one of many correct ways). So my question is I guess - is there a difference between full on and gradual breaking, or if not gradual, not full on? I hope I am getting through here, I'm a little tired.
 
For me it depends on the corner and the car really. I try to apply as much brake as quickly as i can, then ease off as i turn in. Now if the braking point is in the turn as it is at daytona road turn 1 I'll ease on and off the brakes. Some cars you can be very agressive with brake input like the blitz i love to drive others like the STI RA can get very loose under heavy braking so you have to be mind full of that. So i guess my answer would be gradual if i have to but i go full on when ever possable.
 
HSR while following someone I brake early and catch up during their braking time. If Im braking by myself its usually to the limit.. = mistakes lol

All to do with the line you take :dopey:
 
I see, so obviously it depends on the car and track. I have so much to learn...
Usually I break full on only after straights that get the car to high (relative) speed, but I have noticed that I do that even, say, the last left-right S band Fuji-F course.
I never thought about breaking differently, but its seems to help control the car in several ways. Thanks for the input guys, I hope to get even more in depth input :).
 
I gotta go back to the string thing again, Just emagine theres a string attaced to the wheel from the gas and the break. The more brake or gas you apply the less steering input you should apply. Thats why I ease off as I turn in while going straite I want the full envolpoe of the tiers grip for braking but when i start to turn in I need some of that back for turning or I'll lock the tires. Same with the gas if I'm using all the tires grip in the turn I can hit the gas or I'll sping so as i squese the gas i back off the steering.
 
H3avyM3tal
Hello everyone, this is the first thread I've made here (I think, longtime lurker, so to speak).

I've been playing some GT5P lately (I'm a GT veteran, though far from pro), and I was trying out for gold in A-7 (I think, the F430 one). No need to say it, but I didn't make gold yet. I tried and tried, but all I could get was 3rd. So, I looked at the rankings and downloaded a replay by one of you GTP pros.
I am trying to learn from you all as much as I can, great drivers here, lots to learn, but while I was watching the replay, I noticed that, and it's not just this one driver (Sorry' I can't remember your name now :ouch: ), he was breaking gradually at the first tight left band at Daytona road course.

Now, I am always breaking full on before a corner (and it seems like one of many correct ways). So my question is I guess - is there a difference between full on and gradual breaking, or if not gradual, not full on? I hope I am getting through here, I'm a little tired.
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AAHHH... H3avyM3tal!!!(Cool name) Daytona road course is one of my most liked tracks:):) But like you say the first corner DEMANDS the utmost finesse(in braking)to get good entry apexiz,giving good mid-exit SPEEDS!!!👍👍👍[this braking area wrecked my head:ouch::ouch:after turn#1 everything is simple..:D]
 
I normally don't break to the limit. I like to do it gradually to ensure good grip of the tires on the track. Slow in, fast out.
 
You should always apply the brake as quickly as possible while still being smooth.

If you're trail braking or something, thats a different story, but if you're just slow down that's the way to go.
 
I use the controller so basically I have 3 braking modes: 0%, 100%, and somewhere around close to approximately 50%-ish. Some corners you just have to partially brake for, like the 2nd left in spoon or turn 1 and 2 at suzuka. But generally I try and get all my braking out before I turn in.
 
Perfect Balance
You should always apply the brake as quickly as possible while still being smooth.

If you're trail braking or something, thats a different story, but if you're just slow down that's the way to go.
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Yes I Agree ..!! But the fine --------line between road condition ie;~~~~~bumps and lateral force,is alway's a balancing act :ouch: is it not..????
 
Most of the time I am only partially braking as trail braking will generally be faster. In a straight line such as high speed approaches to a hairpin it's full strength braking.
 
a1PAPAOSA
Yes I Agree ..!! But the fine --------line between road condition ie;~~~~~bumps and lateral force,is alway's a balancing act :ouch: is it not..????
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That's regarding brake control though, not whether you need to press them gradually or full on (very quickly)

Gradually is more of a slow increase, and it should go very quickly to "threshold."


Full on is a bad choice of words IMO.
 
Like on the road ie....lol;GT that is,any aggresive attitude towards the left pedal well.!!!....usually results incocestent entry -----lines,mmmm...Hence poor mid-exit speeds.iIn saying that, some cars in some corners, on some tracks just seem to "Beg You"to test the(or your):)LIMIT'S ..that what it's all about hey!!!......lol:):)
 
Just recently I've found that (some corners)if I initially brake firmly then increase pressure ,then after maybe a couple of down changes re-apply, as if pumping the pedal seems(could be in my own head) to deccelerate allowing less understeer. Imo never ever hit the brake full on!!!
 
;)Yes...Just the right amount of :scared:BRAKE presure on intitial APP is critical:ouch:To get the most of the "TURNIN"grip :sly:"ENTRY=MID=EXIT=:D:D"Get it wrong and WELL:scared:ENTRY=:embarrassed:MID=🤬~%*$!^#.........:rolleyes:I say no more...lol:)

I must say thanks to my 100%GTFREAKIN..FRIEND.:):) GTP_zed300,if any of you don't is one of my long time friends .And I must say without the input of z3's,TECH input,competitive spirit,and just general good old aussie(bull*$#@) debete, in my GTLIFE I wouldn't be here now(so blame him for me being here..lol,lol,:D:D:D)👍:cheers:CHEERS BRUTHA!!!!!
 
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First corner at Daytona is definetly a gradual braking corner because it requires trail braking, trail braking corners are normally ones which start with a fairly low curvature and tighten to a sharper corner later on in the same bend. Daytona road 1st corner (or it can be considered turns 1 and 2 depending on how you look at it) is a perfect example, the reason you brake gradually and not hard is because it steadily tightens, the essentially you will only be able to go so fast through the last part of the corner, lets take 40mph as an example of the max speed you can carry through the final part of the corner (the tightest and slowest part of the first corner) if you took the whole first corner at 40mph (its a very long corner) you would loads and loads of time because the first part of the corner is very wide and is also has little curvature, therefore you can go through the first part of the corner at much more than 40mph and gradually slow the car down as the corner gradually tightens, there is more to why the braking is gradual as well.

Even with abs the maximum you can't turn as effectively while braking, there becomes a trade off, the harder you brake the less you can turn but the quicker you can slow down. It works the other way of course, the softer the you brake the more you can turn but without slowing down as much. Thinking of it like this you want to slow yourself down as much in a straight line because you wont be able to turn much if your braking hard in a corner and the result will be massive understeer off the road, but think of Daytona road 1st corner (trail braking corner) you don't want to slow yourself down on the straight becasue the first part of the 1st corner is fast and long so braking down on the straight will loose you lots of time around the corner, but you can't exactly fly through the second part of the first corner at 150mph either, so what to do. Well slow yourself down in the corner of course, but as said earlier if you try and leave your braking to the last second during the corner you will just get massive understeer and go straight instead of turning, what you need to do is brake gradually so that you still get enough turn but are also slowing your car down suffeciently to be able to take the last part of the corner effectively. The more you practice it the better you will become at judging exactly how much brake/turn is required at each part of the corner, but you will have to make minor adjustments to compensate for the narrowing track and tightening curvature, a good driver willl make the transition between braking and truning look fluid rather than hard and agressive, that said other corners need aggresive turning and braking so its all about learning which approach to take for each corner/string of corners, but I would personally say that most corners are suited to the smooth fluid approach than the aggresive approach.

Hope this is helpful :)
 
^ What he said.

On the corner at Daytona Road mentioned in the OP, and in fact also at turn 5 (using this map) I tend to brake gradually but firmly until I'm applying maximum pressure and a littlen turning force, then bleed off the brakes and apply more steering lock until I'm pointing at the apex, by which point I either apply the throttle slowly and start to wind off the steering if I'm in a powerful rear-drive car that oversteers, or just boot it if I'm in something slower that won't spin me out!

Quite often approaching both corners I'll also make use of a four-wheel drift so that the car is pointing even straighter to exit the corner. Some of the softer-suspended mid-engined cars like the Elises and the Ferrari 512BB that move around under braking respond well to this.

@a1PAPAOSA - your posts are so difficult to read :odd:
 
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It depends on the car and the set-up for me, really, while driving something like the NSX for example its definitely better to brake gradually, but with FF or A/4WD cars I tend to set them up for tail-happiness by increasing the front brake bias and such, then for cornering I approach as fast as possible, steer away from the corner a tiny bit (as in go right for a left-hander), then steer into the corner and just as the car straightens up between the direction change I quickly jab the brakes as hard as possible.

The idea being that the braking shifts all the weight onto the front tyres and off the rears, making the tail lighter and therefore less grippy, while the movement of the car's weight from the inside to the outside of the corner gives the tail it's movement. Its not drifting because you don't depend on the car's power to keep you going through the corner, it's more like you just do it so you point in the right direction to get back on the accelerator without dying. It's not the fastest way to corner, but its the most fun and can help avoid the understeer found in FF or AWD cars, however it doesn't tend to work with R tyres as they don't break traction as easily and also a heavier car may understeer as a result of the front tyres losing traction and being unable to steer due to the weight on them.

However with the F40 its definitely better to brake gradually and early, as with most rear-wheel drive cars, regardless of where the engine is.
 
I do find that first corner almost impossible with aggressive breaking. I tried breaking gradually and it helped tons, so I will be experimenting with this. I also tried breaking gradually on the last Fuji S bends, and it helped there as well.

Thank you all for the input!
I bow to your wisdom :)
 
While it depends on the car and the setup, I strongly disagree with that, strongly braking will not help you on the first/second corner of daytona road.
 
Braking (not breaking!) hard is for straight lines. If you're even slightly turning you have to adjust your brake pressure so as not to upset the car.
 
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Braking (not breaking!) hard is for straight lines. If you're even slightly turning you have to adjust your brake pressure so as not to upset the car.
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1st corner daytona road you can make a straight before entering the corner so its like braking on the straight
 
In the PAL (UK at least) release of the original Gran Turismo, there was a great guide to driving, and it used a 'circle of grip' concept, similar to the string idea mentioned earlier.

If you have that manual around, it's definitely worth a read!

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Basically, imagine the grip available to you as a circle. At the top is your maximum grip for braking, the bottom maximum grip for accelerating, and left and right your maximum grip for turning left and right.

If you go outside the circle, your tyres will slip.

You're getting the most from the tyres when they are right on the edge of the circle (or ever so slightly beyond some would argue)

Hope that helps a little :)
 
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I was number one for while on Daytona Road Course with the F430 i think im second now to a Japanese driver who keeps pipping me if a set a top time. Forget his name now....Furic i think

Anyway...I apply full brakes as i come of the banked straight and release presure the nearer i get to the tighter second section, with the aim off just comming off the brakes and on the gas as i hit the inside of the turn at the correct angle.
 
I brake gradually. For online racing, Most cars I use in PRO mode have ABS off, 3/2 brake bias. So i really Need to brake Gradually, I think it helps me stabilize the car better and never slide out of turns with hard and sudden braking even.
 

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