First off, I made this poll to see how different peoples download times varied.
In that case, so far at least 80% are not experiencing anything like what you have said is happening to you, only 30% say their 360 downloads faster, and nearly 40% say their PS3 downloads faster.
I would love to know how you get such quick download speed with the ps3, that is the only major flaw I have with the system. Well, two others, the lack of being able to chat with anyone, anytime
That already exists, and has been in place for over two years now. You can
IM,
voice chat, even
video chat with anyone you like on the PSN, even if they don't have a camera... they'll see you, but naturally you wont see them. You can even share photos live during the chat... and you can even chat with six people at the same time, both with audio and video.
and the lack of joining friends games straight from the xmb. I'm sure though that HOME will take care of both of those issues.
I have effectively done the same thing long before Home. The PSN not only tells you from the XMB (both in-game and out) which of your friends is currently online, but also what game they are currently playing if at all. In fact, if they are playing LBP it will even tell you the exact level location or level they are playing in... even community levels.
If I want to join them, or invite them, even when a game doesn't have an invite option, all it takes is sending them a PM. If they are available and say yes, I start the game and as long as that game supports invites or lobbies where you can easily find your friends then off you go - and if they don't, that is the fault of the game developer. I've done this with many games, most recently with LBP - and inviting someone to join you in your Pod or on the level you are playing is ridiculously easy. The notion that the PSN is in some way preventing this is simply wrong.
Perhaps the problem is that you are so familiar with the 360 and XBL, any way of doing something that is not the same way is an unpleasant experience, which frankly I can completely understand... but it doesn't mean it can't be done.
If I sound less sympathetic or understanding than you would like - or even down right hostile, please consider putting yourself in my shoes... I have taken a great deal of my own personal time offering a great deal of advice to help people get the most entertainment from their systems, and not just consoles either. I've posted countless guides, offered and given help on numerous occasions, posted helpful links so they can better understand what they have and how to get the most out of it... including many many times on resolving personal network issues... and yet when I see specific people posting in those same exact threads, either ignoring the advice, suggestions, and or links, and just complaining and often blaming something that has little or nothing to do with their problem... well it get's down right depressing sometimes.
These days I have a tendency to just quote myself from an earlier post that has the same info because it doesn't make sense and takes too much of my time to keep saying the same thing over and over again. the worst is when someone says they didn’t bother even looking at past posts, or searching for threads or posts that would answer their question... or even just do a Google search... but then they complain because they can't figure out what’s wrong so of course they blame Sony, Microsoft, Apple, PS3, 360, whatever... because it can't possibly be something that is their own fault, or that they have control over.
If it sounds like I'm venting... it's because I am. Sorry.
OK where were we?
I have searched for ways to increase downloads speeds on the ps3, and haven't been able to find anything that helped me. I must admit though, that I am not the best at using search functions. I have friends that find all sorts of these on google that I miss.
Anyway, any help you can give me would be much appreciated. As long as it's not as insulting as your first post in this thread. I really don't like being attacked like that, just because I am having problems with a system that you obviously love. I am not a tech genius, and assumed that the ps3 was plug and play like everything else.
It is as much plug and play as any similar product, perhaps more so. If you are happy with the default setting then off you go. However, seeing as the settings menu is very easy to navigate, and every PS3 comes with a extraordinarily intuitive and easy to use online manual that can be accessed either from the XMB or from a PC, most everything regarding the PS3's system software can be found there.
However, if, as it sounds like, that your problem is with your network, then you are looking at the wrong thing... as I and others have said many times in the threads you posted in before... which is why you find me so frustrated with you.
You are asking for help, yet not only have you ignored suggestions, but you haven't even shown that you have made an effort to research why exactly you are apparently having such slow download speeds.
Seriously. Try for a moment to put yourself in my shoes, and ask yourself, why would you even bother to take the time to keep posting the same tips, guides, suggestions, links, if they are just going to be ignored?
I'm not getting any compensation for my participation, and instead what I occasionally get is grief and aggravation... if you were in my shoes what would you do?
Stop posting and just say "too bad, hope they figure it out"... even when you know you could be of some help, or at least would normally be willing to try and help?
Yeah... it’s these moments that really irk me.
I normally really, really, enjoy helping people out.... but there are these occasions where I am sooo tempted to just say screw'it, let'em figure it out on their own.
But the trouble is, I hate thinking I could have helped and instead turned my back on them, regardless of whether or not I felt they deserved help... because frankly, it's the right thing to do, and lord knows I've been in the position of needing someone's help, and continue to on all sorts of subjects I am unfamiliar with, and I'd like to think someone out there will want to help me as I want to help others.
So I'll try once again...
They definitely updated the interface for those using a keyboard. There never used to be a way to add a line break. Traditionally it is done by pressing enter, but pressing enter when texting on the PS3 it takes you out of text mode and into the options mode. Now, when using my keyboard, it allows me to put in a line break by pressing Alt+Enter. 👍
They also added a delete (clear) all the text option by pressing Shift+Backspace. 👍
As for the time it took for me to upload the update, it took less than a minute using the PS3's wireless router, and I updated it soon after Solid Lifters posted.
This isn't the first time someone posts that it's taking a long time to download, while others download much faster.
I highly recommend that you open up the
browser on your PS3 press the select button and put in the following URL
http://speedtest.net or if you have GTP bookmarked, just go to it, and to this thread and press on that link.
It will ask you if you want to run the plugin, click on Yes.
It will then load a map with servers represented as pyramids. The one in yellow should be closest to you. You can click on any one to test, but for ideal results, click on the one closest. Now it may not be easy to click on it if it's close to a lot of other pyramids. This is where the PS3's zoom feature comes in handy.
Simply press the R3 button to toggle on and off zoom mode. When it's on, press and hold down the R2 trigger to zoom in on the map. Use the right stick to scroll around the web page, and the left stick to move the pointer to the pyramid of your choice.
Now simply click on the pyramid and zoom back out (L2) to watch the test being done and view the results.
Afterwards, it will also give you links to be able to post your results as a image file (png). While the PS3 browser wont let you copy that image link, all you have to do is click on the address (to the left of where it says "COPY"), and then the PS3 will open a text window displaying clearly the URL address.
If you do not want to take the time to write it down, all you really need is the 9-digit number that ends with "png".
http://www.speedtest.net/result/350525119.png
Now simply copy the following link, only replace your number with the one shown. Like this:
Now you can post it, and maybe that way we can help diagnose why you're having such slow downloads.
BTW: You may also want to bookmark SpeedTest on your PS3's browser. You can do that by simply pressing the Select button when you have the pge you want bookmarked loaded.
13Mb/s down and 1.3Mb/s up is a bit lower than usual. I typically get a 15Mb/s down and 2Mb/s up. If I bypass the WiFi router, I can get as much as 30Mb/s, but even just 6Mb/s is more than fast enough to download system updates quite quickly.
You can view your past SpeedTest results by clicking on the link that says "View your past results" which is located below the "Rate Your ISP" box.
That could very well be a key indicator. As NLxAROSA brought up, there can be many different reasons why transfer speeds are slower for some, and faster for others. The only thing we can do is at least try and isolate whether or not the problem has to do with our own ISPs and or own personal networks... because at least we have some control over that.
I agree though, if you know traffic is likely high on a server, and it's going to interrupt your schedule, then it's probably a good idea to not update until it's convenient. At least now Sony added the feature of automatically turning off your PS3 after an update as well as after downloading content from the PSN stores... so you can always schedule your downloading before going to bed. 👍
It does. If you run speedtest with your PS3 (not your PC of course), and for example it says you are currently getting say 5 Mb/s down, but based on the size of the files your are downloading at the same time you ran the test, you're only getting a transfer rate of 1 Mb/s then clearly the issue is with the server you are downloading from.
Running speedtest on the PS3 can also help identify any problems you might have with your ISP and or own network. For instance, I recently switched routers to a model by LevelOne and after running speedtest found I was only getting 1Mb/s down and 1Mb/s up on the PS3, but both my lap tops, one with a B/G WiFi adapter (like the PS3), and one with an N adapter, were getting 15Mb/s-20Mb/s down and 2Mb/s up. So clearly the slow speed was something wrong with my router. After putting in the PS3's MAC address in the router's DMZ everything went back to normal and I'm getting the appropriate down and up speeds on the PS3.
I've heard that many Linksys routers have had similar problems with communicating with the PS3's WiFi adapter, and as such many people complain about slow downloads and blame the servers when the real problem is with their router.
In addition, if two people are downloading the same files from the same server, but one person is able to download considerably faster than the other, than it is an indicator that the problem is not with the server the files are being downloaded from, and that the person who is finding it taking an inordinately long time to download may be best served running a speedtest and comparing it to others who are not experiencing long downloads, and more importantly, compare it to what their ISP claims they should be getting on average.
I run SpeedTest pretty much every day, and when I see a significant drop, it helps alert me to any problems with my modem, router, or ISP. Having a log of my speeds has also helped me tremendously in getting Time Warner to credit my account when service is bad, as well as help identify problems with their servers, and improve service.
For all of these reasons, running regular speed tests has been extremely useful. 👍
Like the trophy info you may have been told, you have also been extremely misled by someone regarding this so-called "extremely slow download times" on the PS3... which is utter nonsense... not that you are to be blamed for it, just that who ever told you that, you should never count on them for accurate information any longer.
First of all, you mentioned you can DL an HD movie over 1 gig in less than 30 min, and 1+ gig demos in less than 30 min... I do the same thing with my PS3 only about three times faster than what you are getting and I'm doing it wirelessly through a WiFi router. It takes me between 10-20 minutes to download 1 GB files from the PSN to my PS3, whether they be HD movies or demos.
The limit to how fast you can transfer anything from anywhere is first based on the bandwidth your ISP gives you. If you are using a router, especially a WiFi router, then you can also lose bandwidth if it is not properly set up and communicating accurately with the WiFi adapters with access to your network. Then, and only then are you limited by the traffic on a server that you are downloading files from.
Seeing as I regularly am able to download files from the PSN at a transfer rate between 6,000 kb/s and 15,000 kb/s clearly it is wrong to even suggest that the PS3 has extremely slow download times, and in this case at least, my speeds appear to be faster than what you are getting from XBL servers... but that's likely do to how much bandwidth your ISP gives you, and not the fault of XBL servers, but I wouldn't know.
Look, there are plenty of reasons why even hardcore XBL users are not happy that they have to pay. Don't take my word for it,
just read what Cesar Berardini, the editor at
Team Xbox has to say on the subject.
However, the fact is many do pay, and it's MS right to be able to charge for something that people are willing to pay for. Truly it's as simple as that. Granted, MS does have a captive audience, thus like their accessories and add ons, MS monopolizing the market of Xbox users such that if you own a 360 and want to play online your only choice is to pay to play.
Don't get me wrong though I'm not saying there is anything wrong with XBL, and I totally understand why many people continue to pay for it. At the end of the day, that's there only choice if they want to play online with their 360.
However, despite the rumors you may have been told, not only can you achieve extremely fast download times from the PSN, but for some games, Sony even has massive banks of dedicated servers so that unlike 360 games that require the players host the game (which can cause all sorts of lag issues and drop outs even with only a handful of players), games like Warhawk even with up to 32 online players are rock solid.
The upcoming game,
M.A.G. is supposedly going to even support a total of 256 online players in a single game.
Please understand though, I'm definitely not saying anyone who pays for XBL is an idiot. Far from it. I completely understand why many continue to pay for it. I just wanted to make sure you and anyone else reading this that may have been misled by others regarding the PSN and trophies understands the truth.
I also want to add how much I appreciate the fact that we are having a meaningful and civil discussion about the differences and similarities between XBL and PSN without it breaking out into a flame war over formats, which you can see happen so often at other forums... yet another reminder on why I enjoy the time I spend here at GTP. 👍
Sounds like an issue with your router. What router are you using, and how many devices do you have that have access to it, and how are they connected (Ethernet or WiFi).
Unless you bought the WiFi adapter, I assume your 360 is connected via Ethernet as well as your Wii. Unfortunately, as far as I know, without having a browser, there is no way of accurately measuring the transfer speeds, but at least with your PC and PS3 you can.
If you are using the router's WiFi to connect to the PS3 but not your PC, for testing purposes, you may want to connect the PS3 via Ethernet and run speedtest that way.
Things that can cause problems for one device and not others using the same router can often be traced to the router settings, firewalls, and even the quality of the WiFi transmitter in the router.
There are so many variables to diagnosing network related issues that impact transfer speeds, so the trick is to isolate each one as best as possible.
I'm certainly no network expert, so you may find much better advice and assistance posting in the
Computers & Web Design sub forum, and maybe some other technical forum specifically about trouble shooting networks.
Although if the problem is only happening about 1% of the time, it may not be worth the effort.
Great post FK. 👍
Precisely. And for me at least, I have been able to download content off the PSN stores even during peak hours at transfer rates as high as 8,000 kb/s, which is slower than my ISP bandwidth, but still very fast.
For example, on average it takes me only three minutes to download a 1080p Blu-ray movie trailer, which are usually over 150 MB files.
Now if it was actually true that the PSN servers were as slow as "some" have suggested, then we would ALL be experiencing these so-called slow downloads, even in off-peak hours. The fact is that's not the case at all, and so people like Bevo have to look somewhere else to find the cause.
Based on past history, when you read threads on network related trouble shooting issues, 9 out of 10 times the problem was do to the equipment the person had, and or the settings they were using, and or problems with their own ISP service.
Unfortunately though some folks don't want to even consider that the issue lies with them, and find it much more convenient to blame any problems or anomalies on their favorite target of choice, whether it be Sony or Microsoft.
Networks and routers are very complicated things and are prone to any numbers of issues that can impact one or multiple devices connected to the same router.
I downloaded the new xbox dashboard yesterday also, and it took about 2 minutes to download and install. What am I doing wrong with my ps3? It's so painfully slow. It literally takes me 10 hours to download demos sometimes. Is there anything I can do to try and speed it up? I hear about these 3 minute downloads online, but everyone I know in my area, has the same problems I do. I know it's not our connections, because our computers and 360's work very well with the same size files.
Haven't we been down this road already?
And for me at least, I have been able to download content off the PSN stores even during peak hours at transfer rates as high as 8,000 kb/s, which is slower than my ISP bandwidth, but still very fast.
For example, on average it takes me only three minutes to download a 1080p Blu-ray movie trailer, which are usually over 150 MB files.
Now if it was actually true that the PSN servers were as slow as "some" have suggested, then we would ALL be experiencing these so-called slow downloads, even in off-peak hours. The fact is that's not the case at all, and so people like Bevo have to look somewhere else to find the cause.
Based on past history, when you read threads on network related trouble shooting issues, 9 out of 10 times the problem was do to the equipment the person had, and or the settings they were using, and or problems with their own ISP service.
Unfortunately though some folks don't want to even consider that the issue lies with them, and find it much more convenient to blame any problems or anomalies on their favorite target of choice, whether it be Sony or Microsoft.
Networks and routers are very complicated things and are prone to any numbers of issues that can impact one or multiple devices connected to the same router.
As FK mentioned and many of us have every time
this sort of thing comes up, there are sooo many variables that can and almost always do impact download times, many of which are in the control of the end user, like the ISP, modem, router, set-up, settings, and general environment... and yes, it is most certainly possible to see different download and upload times from one computer or console than another even though they are on the same network using the same router.
If you make the effort to visit Sony's
PS3 Support Center and/or
PS3 Knowledge Center you'll find lots of information on how to make sure you have your PS3 properly communicating with your router and or modem.
Unfortunately there are some things you simply can't control, such as problems with your ISP, server traffic, and traffic on your node.
But the best place to start is to run a speed test on your PS3 and any other device you have, one after the other so that you can first accurately compare the download and upload times you are getting from the same server. This does a great job of isolating where the problem may be occurring.
As I have said before, and even in this thread, I highly recommend
SpeedTest - if you need a reminder or instructions on how to use it, and how to post your results right here in this thread so we might try and help you identify where you may be having a problem, then please look back to
post #1071 in this thread.
It was a 58mb file. It took me about 30 minutes to download. I don't understand it.
Well had you run a SpeedTest on your PS3 as well as your PC, before or after you started the download, it may have shed some light.
However, if the file is 58MB, and it took you 30 minutes to download it, then you were getting a transfer speed of about 258 kb/s. Next time you get a chance, run SpeedTest on your PS3 and PC and post the .png file in this thread and at least we may have something to work with.
For instance, it took me 3 minutes to download the update. Which if it was 58MB, means I was getting a transfer speed of around 2600 kb/s which is considerably slower than the download speeds I was getting on my PS3 at the time:
I attribute the slower speed to the increased traffic, but based on my understanding on how servers and networks work. If I can download a file from the same server others are downloading it from at nearly 3Mb/s then anyone with an ISP and equipment and settings, that allows for download times at those speeds or greater (confirmed by doing a speedtest) should also be able to download those same files at the same rates... not slower.
In addition, based on my knowledge of how servers are set up, unless there are physically multiple regional servers with the US that Sony uses to direct PSN users to when downloading, then the differences in load times between people downloading at the same time will be almost entirely based on each individual person's ISP and the netwrok type, equipment, and settings used by that person.
Finally, here is a collection of links I've compiled, and shared with others on GTP to help them better understand their PS3, learn all the things it can do, how to get the most out of it, and how to troubleshoot an issue:
For future reference though here are just some of the related threads in GTP:
There are also many useful official PS3 sites that are worth knowing about:
The physical manual is quite good, but the online manuals for the PS3 are even better! In fact, Sony has a direct link to the PS3's system software user guide from every PS3 located at the top of the
Network menu bar in the XMB.
I also recommend you bookmark it in your PC's browser, here is the direct link as well as some other useful links:
In addition to all that, Sony also put together a very nice detailed guide to the PS3:
If you have ever had any question about anything to do with the PS3, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find an answer in a short amount of time among any number of those links. 👍
In addition, Wiki has several very informative listings regarding the PS3: