Fanatec Turbo S Wheel - March 2010 New User Review

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Hi, I’m kinda new here – mostly been lurking because I haven’t had much to contribute that would be of any value, but I thought this might be beneficial to some.

I wanted to review my recent Fanatec Porsche Turbo S (PWTS in Fanatec terminology) wheel purchase, along with how it plays with my Wheel Stand Pro and several PS3 games. In researching buying the PWTS, I found most of the reviews and observations were based on beta test wheels and/or early production wheels and used the Clubsport pedals. Most of the orders were pre-orders, so the wait was long, and everyone seems to play on the Xbox or PC. Additionally, there was very little info on how the Fanatec would work with the Wheel Stand Pro – most reviews that featured a wheel stand understandably used the Fanatec Rennsport Wheelstand.

If you read all the forum comments about this wheel you will get the idea they are great …when they work – but have all sorts of quality control issues and customer service nightmares. It is enough to scare people off – especially with the cost of the product. My thoughts are this is a very small company that went through some growing pains and most of the negative comments come from early adopters and beta testers who were working out all the problems – but once this is done, a new customer should be getting an improved product and faster service. I seem to remember Act-Labs having similar issues when they released their Force RS wheels.

So, if you are interested in a perspective from a very recent Fanatec customer, with standard pedals, using exclusively the PS3, and recycling my Wheel Stand Pro from its prior job supporting my DFGT – this is the place!

My background – in the USA, 38 years old – wife, kid, dog, house, full time job. Gaming is a very recent addition – I got the PS3 at Christmas in 2009. Prior to that the last gaming console I had was an Atari 2600 (when they were new!). Last driving games I played were about 10 years ago on the PC – mostly rally games. I had an Act-Labs Force RS with shifter. Then real life caught up and games went goodbye.

Now I have rediscovered my love of driving games and have been playing since the PS3 arrived at Christmas. I bought a DFGT and have enjoyed using it. I have never used a G25 or G27, so all my comparisons from the Fanatec are against the DFGT. The games I have are GT5P, NFS Shift, Grid, Ferrari Challenge, Supercar Challenge, Burnout Paradise, Dirt, Dirt 2, and Superstars V8 Next Challenge. I drive a manual transmission car in real life (BMW), but have used auto mode mostly so far in gaming. Playing in the living room on a 50” Samsung Plasma 1080p TV with 5.1 surround. I have never played online, because liking to drive in video games and being good at it are two different things… I’m still learning! IMO: Driving a virtual car fast is much harder than driving a real car fast because of the limited feedback you have.

So for the first installment of my review, here is the ordering experience: I placed my order at the USA webshop late in the afternoon on Friday 3/19, had an order shipping e-mail from Fanatec on Monday morning, a UPS tracking number soon followed, and the wheel arrived on Friday 3/26 in the morning. Exactly one week start to finish from California to Ohio – not bad. The wheel was triple boxed – two brown cardboard layers + the retail box with pictures and graphics. All the parts inside were secured with cardboard, plastic, and foam. Nothing missing. Quick start guides and drilling template were included.

Initial impressions were that the wheel seemed very well built and looked high-end.

Wheel: The motor casing was much smaller than it looks like in pictures – maybe even smaller than the DFGT case. The wheel rim is nice and thick – the diameter is slightly larger than the DFGT – but not a huge difference.

Pedals: I bought the all in one pack that had the shifters and the standard pedal set – the Clubsports are overkill even beyond the PWTS for my needs! The standard pedals are very large compared to the DFGT – the spacing between pedals is better. The Fanatec pedals are very light – they feel like a toy if you don't bolt on the included steel plate. I can see how they would slide around if not hard-mounted to a stand.

Shifters: The shifters look okay – but the H-pattern shifter is everything you have read it was on the forums… cheap feeling, hard to shift, and makes a loud click. If I start using it in games, I would invest in the upcoming Clubsport shifter if the price is reasonable. But right now I suck at shifting in games. Actually from the very limited use I had had with this wheel, shifting and clutch work feels natural – but I forget to brake… I have been left foot braking in video games, and even though I don't in real life I'm struggling with the transition in the virtual world. Anyway – the H-pattern is somewhat of a letdown… but it wasn't a surprise based on prior reviews. There is an interesting thread on a Forza forum with instructions to modify the shifter for easier shifting – I might try that and post the results in a later installment of this review. Nothing really to the sequential shifter – it is easy to use and feels about the same as the one on the DFGT. The paddle shifters are the black ones – apparently these were redesigned from the prior silver "Clubsport" paddles last year. They are okay – but nothing spectacular. Like the paddles on the DFGT –they get the job done. They are small and might get in the way depending on your grip on the wheel – I haven't noticed any issues yet but I have barely an hour of wheel time in.

Next up – Why the Turbo S instead of the GT3RS, impressions on functionality compared to the “made for PS3” DFGT, and mounting the PWTS to the Wheel Stand Pro.

Let me know if you think this is worthwhile info. Thanks,
Aaron
 
I like your review. It does make me lean more towards a G27 when I finally make my transition from my DFP. Mainly because the H-Shifter is a very important factor to me :)

Parker
 
So, dumb question... if I want to upgrade the firmware (it came with 613), do I need to incrementally upgrade (614, then 660, then 669) or can I just go to 669 and it will include all prior updates?

Tore apart the shifter tonight to work on reducing the loud click and making it easier to get into gear. Uploading some pictures right now - more to follow.
 
I like your review. It does make me lean more towards a G27 when I finally make my transition from my DFP. Mainly because the H-Shifter is a very important factor to me :)

Parker

In that case you should ask somebody who has both shifters. Our shifter may not be perfect but that does not automatically mean that the shifters of the others are better ;)

If you go to 669 it will include all previous updates.
 
I have not tried G27 shifter but G25 and fanatec shifters are on same level in performance. G25 is too loose and unprecise. Fanatec shifter are harder to shift but more precise. Fanatec makes more noise than G25. Mounting is better on logitech shifter as fanatec only has rod option as default. I mountend my fanatec shifter with tight belt. I actually had to reinforce my shifter holder as fanatec requires more force to shift than loose G25.
From reviews G27 shifter seems a bit better than G25 and fanatec's current shifters.

As for pedals, i can drive faster on fanatec standard pedals than on logitech G25 as fanatec pedals have more thavel in gas pedal which makes adjustments more accurate. However logitech G25 pedals feel better as they have more resistance and are made of steel. I currently use G25 pedals with my turbo s wheel (i would use if my wheel was not broken) I have been very pleased with the wheel until it broke down.

Fanatec: How long waiting time you would estimate there is in support currently? I assume it is not as bad as previously?
 
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I have the Fanatec H-Pattern shifter and I like it a lot. It does make a bit of noise but other than that I am a big fan. I also just received the Clubsport pedals and they are amazing!
 
I want to chime in my support of the Fanatec shifter as well.

It is a little stiff, but that improves some with use, and that click is just a byproduct of what makes the Fanatec shifter actually feel better. I don't even notice it when I am racing.

Also, I haven't used the standard pedals, but the clubsport pedals are indeed amazing.
 
In that case you should ask somebody who has both shifters. Our shifter may not be perfect but that does not automatically mean that the shifters of the others are better ;)

If you go to 669 it will include all previous updates.

Agree - I don't have a Logitech shifter to compare it to, so my opinion is solely on my impression of the Fanatec shifter. parker_125 - the good thing about the Fanatec is they are working on a Clubsport shifter, and that will undoubtedly be better than the G25/27 shifter!

As I said in my post asking about the firmware - I pulled apart the Fanatec shifter last night and made some slight tweaks. It is much easier to shift now - and with the less pressure to get it in gear it doesn't twist and bind on the mounts too much now. That lessens the 'cheap" feel quite a bit. It isn't perfect - but much better than stock. I think the problem is the wheel is so well made and quality feeling/looking, that anything that isn't exactly as well done is a let down in comparison. This feeling is probably amplified by those using the Clubsport pedals. The shifter isn't bad - just the weakest link in a very strong product offering. More to follow w/ pictures.

Hopefully I'll get a chance to actually drive with the wheel tonight after work! In re-reading my original post i think I left the impression I wasn't liking the wheel - that isn't the case. Overall I am really pleased. there are a few things that could be better - but that is typical of any product. So far, no regrets.
 
I like the H-Shifter but it would be better if it didn't keep breaking.

However on 911wheel.de there's a discussion about what the new Clubsport Shifter (and handbrake) should be/have.
 
PWTS Review – Part 2: Why PWTS vs. GT3RS, DFGT vs. PWTS for the PS3, Firmware Updates

Why PWTS vs. GT3RS – this one is really simple for me. I wanted the PS3 lighted buttons and full PS3 functionality with all my games. Having the ability to someday maybe use on an Xbox is a "nice-to-have" feature too. Don't get me wrong – the GT3RS is a very cool looking wheel! While the PWTS says "refinement" and "luxury", the GT3RS says "race car"! I can see why that guy on YouTube combined the two wheels now! If I raced on the PC I would have probably gone with the GT3RS – but for dedicated PS3 use the PWTS is the way to go.

DFGT vs. PWTS for the PS3 – How many DFGTs could I get for the same price as one PWTS? :) The DFGT isn't a bad wheel at all – and if you are on a tight budget you can get a DFGT and still get a great driving experience. It has the best integration into the PS3 since it was designed specifically for use with GT5. All the buttons are laid out and labeled like the Sixaxxis controller – they naturally fall at your fingertips. The DFGT also has a PS3 button – essential for closing out of games and navigating in some menus. The PWTS in PS3 mode replicates the PS3 buttons by lighting up – a bonus for playing in darkened rooms. The DFGT could be improved by offering the same functionality instead of lighting up the GT logo on the horn button. I think I am actually going to like where the L/R2 and L/R3 buttons are on the PWTS better than the DFGT, but the circle, X, square, triangle buttons will take some getting used to since they are side by side instead of in a star type pattern like the Sixaxxis/DFGT. Not a big deal and Fanatec had to do that to keep the Porsche design flow on the wheel – it just will take some adjustment. Having the Xbox button double as a PS3 button would have been incredible…but would have probably run into all sorts of licensing issues, costs, etc. No big deal to me, as I use a Logitech Harmony remote and have the PS3 button function programmed on it – it is close by when I'm playing games for volume control anyway. Not sure why the Start/Back buttons don't light in PS3 mode – the same buttons light up (per other reviews) in Xbox mode and the Start button is called the same on both consoles. The D-pad was easy to use to navigate menus – but being on the bottom of the wheel it doesn't fall naturally into hand like on the DFGT.

I think my perfect PS3 wheel would have the look of the GT3RS, the functionality of the PWTS, and the button layout of the DFGT. BTW - The G25/27 doesn't have a button layout that is in any way practical for use in the PS3 IMHO. If the PWTS didn't exist, I would have stuck with the DFGT – not changed to a G25/27.

Firmware: My unit shipped with firmware 613, the most current is 669 – which increased the number of drift settings, steps in FF modes, and turned the fans on at all times. I liked the idea of the fans running in a proactive rather than reactive manner, plus wanted all the tweaks from firmware 660, so even though nothing was "wrong" with my wheel I upgraded.

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I did the dongle first – even though I doubt I'll use it. Instructions for firmware upgrades are in the firmware ZIP file from Fanatec. I used a Windows 7 32 bit laptop to do the upgrade. The instructions said to press and hold the dongle button while inserting into a USB slot and wait for the white light to indicate it was in upgrade mode. I had a little trouble with this – at first the light lit up solid – then went out. Being unsure if I needed to initiate the firmware .exe while the dongle was lit, I tried again. This time the light flashed on and off – when I clicked on the .exe the software said no device connected. I tried several more times and the white light never lit again. I clicked on the .exe anyway and this time the software saw the device and the rest of the upgrade went smoothly.

Next came the wheel – this was much smoother. Following the included instructions I had no issues. The upgrade is in two parts for the wheel and after the first part is done there are notes that you may have to install some USB drivers to get the second part to upgrade. The instructions for the USB driver install weren't really clear – but all you have to do is go to Device Manager in the Control Panel, there will be an "Unknown Device" highlighted – right click on Properties and go to the Driver tab – click Update Driver and navigate to the Fanatec Firmware folder then to the USB driver subfolder. After doing this the second part of the update went fine and the wheel rebooted. Pressing the bottom two buttons on both sides of the wheel immediately after starting up will show the firmware version on the wheel display. I noticed the fans running immediately - they aren't too loud and will probably be covered up by the audio in the games.

Next up – mounting to the Wheel Stand Pro and Shifter Mods

Thanks,
Aaron
 
PWTS Review - Part 3: Mounting on the Wheel Stand Pro

I bought my Wheel Stand Pro (WSP) soon after getting the DFGT and have been very pleased with it. Just like the PWTS, most of the reviews I found for the WSP were from early adopters - and just like the PWTS there seems to have been mid-production cycle improvements made. We will get back to this...

There are 3 WSP models that range in price from $123 to $162 USD: The one listed for the DFP/DFGT, a "regular" one for the G25/27, and the "deluxe" model for the G25/27.

The DFP/DFGT model supposedly doesn't work with the G25/27, but I have this version and strongly suspect it is the same as the "regular" G25/27 version, just without the shifter plate. The mount for the steering wheel has pre-drilled holes in it. From a cost of production standpoint it would make sense to just use the same mount plate in the two versions - since the rest of the stand is the same (other than the shifter plate, of course). The deluxe version is bigger and heavier overall (the stand is wider - plus I think the mounting plate is bigger).

One of the mid-production improvements on the DFGT version seems to be the red and silver clamping strips for the pedals ...which they do very well.

Some pics with the DFGT mounted:

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So I was a little worried how it would work with the PWTS and wondered if I should have gotten the Deluxe WSP instead, but it ended up working fine with a few modifications.

The steering wheel mounting plate's pre-drilled holes match up with two of the hard mount points on the PWTS. It was very easy to mark the remaining two holes using the provided template - thank you Fanatec! You can see in the pic below the sharpie mark for where to drill - and the aftermath in the second picture:

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After that it was a simple matter of using four 6mm bolts to secure the wheel to the plate. The bolts are not provided,but knowing this ahead of time from reading other reviews I had bought an assortment of 6mm bolts in various lengths and used the ones that seemed to fit best while following the advice not to allow to bolts to go too far into the wheel housing.

The pedals were more of challenge but I was very pleased with the outcome. The pedals are much wider than the DFGT pedals, so using the WSP clamping strips in the same manner wasn't an option. The PWTS pedals themselves had tiny 3mm mounting points that are intended to secure the metal plate for additional weight. The plate mounted to the pedals wouldn't work because the plate extends a few inches behind the pedals and would push the pedals too far forward on the WSP. So, what I worked out was to drill two tiny holes in the silver bottom strip meant to clamp the DFGT and use two 3mm screws to fasten the strip to the bottom of the pedal base in two of the mounting points which lined up nicely for what I needed. I drilled two holes in the PWTS provided metal plate and sandwiched it between the WSP frame (to add weight) and the red WSP clamping strip,then used some long 6mm bolts to fasten it all together. Hopefully that makes sense - here are a few pictures that may help explain it:

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As I said, I'm very pleased with the results- the pedals are very secure and look very clean - no visible clamping, etc.

It is after midnight here in the USA, so I'm going to bed. More on the shifter mounting next time.

Good night,
Aaron
 
Your solution for the pedals look fantastic but to be honest I have concerns if 2 screws to the pedals are enough. There will be quite some force to it so at least 4 screws are recommended.
 
Sorry the off-topic:

Will the new clubsport shifter be compatible with the G25 set, as the fanatec pedals are with the logitech wheel?
 
Nice review :-)

i would like to add, since i still own g25, and i have tried g27, Fanatec PWTS is ,atleast for me, a higher class.It doesn't work well with some games, but that is not problem of the wheel itself. The only thing that i would change is the chinese labour, to improve the quality even more. I would pay even more for that product (if it was build in Germany), since this kind of wheel should last greater amount of time.Unfortunatly i am on my 2nd wheel, 1st one broke.

I prefer Fanatec shifter over g25. It may look a bit cheap (it only looks that way) but resistance is more realistic then g25 shifter, and the loudness doesn't bother me at all (maybe my girlfriend, but that is her problem :-) ).

I would give PWTS 9/10.
 
Your solution for the pedals look fantastic but to be honest I have concerns if 2 screws to the pedals are enough. There will be quite some force to it so at least 4 screws are recommended.

I agree that 4 would be much better ...but didn't have too many options with the way the base screw mounts are located. :):):)

Here is a picture to better show what I did. The two stars inside the yellow circle indicate where the two screw mounts I used on the pedal base are. The orange arrows point to the corresponding holes on the metal plate (had I attached the plate as intended). I think I also flipped the plate for the purpose I used it for. The green circles show where I drilled the holes in the plate for the bolts which clamp the whole thing together.

In hindsight I should have moved the plate forward flush with the front of the pedals as shown by the blue arrow and then used some sort of self-tapping screws to tap into the front pedal floor pads (red arrows). Make sense? But I really didn't want to screw into the pedal base!

But despite the 2 screw concerns I share with the manufacturer :) I think it feels very secure and in playing for several hours now I have had no issues.


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Sorry the off-topic:

Will the new clubsport shifter be compatible with the G25 set, as the fanatec pedals are with the logitech wheel?

The Fanatec pedals are not compatible with wheels of other brands. It is the other way around.

Therefore we don't plan any new peripherals to be compatible with other wheels. The only exception are separate USB devices like our Clubsport Pedals. But this works only on PC.
 
The Fanatec pedals are not compatible with wheels of other brands. It is the other way around.

Therefore we don't plan any new peripherals to be compatible with other wheels. The only exception are separate USB devices like our Clubsport Pedals. But this works only on PC.

Ok, however you'd like to put it...

Will I be able by any chance to make my G25 wheel to work with your new clubsport shifter?
 
Well done and nice to see you enjoying your upgrade over the DFGT.

Id recommend you consider getting the wireless dongle.
Its nice when using X360 which of course PWTS has full wireless support but I find without the dongle when going to play PS3 that extra cable is a bit of a pain with somone or kids usually tripping on it or being warned to stay clear of it.

Also wireless dongle just makes it easier and quicker to pack it all up.
 
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Ok, however you'd like to put it...

Will I be able by any chance to make my G25 wheel to work with your new clubsport shifter?


Are you asking if it will be USB, so it can work on the PC, independent of a wheel, or are you asking if you can plug it into the G25.

If asking the latter, he already answered you. No, you will not be able to.
 
PWTS Review – Part 4: The shifter – Mounting and Mods.

Mounting the shifter using the two supplied metal rods is not difficult – but does take some muscle. The fit is very firm in the holes on both the shifter and the wheel – this is a good thing. The bad thing is that there is still a large amount of flexing in the rods, due to the force needed to put the shifter in gear – especially R/1/2 or 5/6. This flex is probably worst on a wheel stand of any brand since the shifter is hanging in mid-air. Pushing the rods through the wheel more can help a little – but then the shifter is really close to the wheel – see pics.

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But…

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On a desk the stock mounting wouldn't be such an issue because it would have something to brace against. The Fanatec Rennsport table mount and/or shifter adaptor look like they could help too for wheel stand or cockpit applications. The good thing about the PWTS (and G25/27) is the shifter is separate so you have the flexibility to mount it where you want, as opposed to the DFGT where it is part of the wheel case.

My plan is to build some sort of stand/brace off the one side of the WSP to not only better secure the shifter – but to locate it in a more realistic driving position. Looking at the location of the shifter in my E30 BMW in relation to the steering wheel, it is roughly in line – but about 8-12 inches lower. My goal would be to have the PWTS/WSP combo laid out roughly the same. We'll see what a trip to Lowes will find…

In the meantime I thought I'd try to work on the shifter a little. It has two issues I wanted to address – the loud click noise when engaging a gear and how hard it is to engage any gear other then 3rd/4th.

Basically I followed the write up here:

http://web.me.com/mkopack/Fanatec_Porsche_Turbo_S_Wheel_FAQ/6+1_Shifter_Mods.html

Lots of other good info on this FAQ site so take a look around. My only change would be is there is really no need to remove the PS2 plug – you can easily leave it in and just set the two halves apart while lifting out the shifter knob assembly. I filed off the extra material and re-lubed everything as described on the link. This is supposed to address the clicking issue.

The difficulty in getting the unit to engage in gear is due to the stiffness of the foam on both sides of the sifter body – this is probably supposed to simulate the centering spring action in a real gearshift. I have read that the foam will soften with use – but when new it is entirely too stiff. I tried replacing it with door insulating foam strips – but they are slightly thinner in depth and make the movement too loose. I did read where somebody drilled a bigger hole in the center of the existing foam to allow more give – but I haven't tried that yet. Right now I have the original foam on the R/1/2 side and the door insulation on the 5/6 side.

This pic, while slightly blurry (sorry), gives you an idea of the layout of the foam.

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In putting it all back together it was much easier to shift but had difficulty returning to center in neutral due to the softer foam I used on one side. The click still seems to be just as load, so maybe I didn't file enough material off… but for now I'm leaving it as is. I think I'll focus on making a hard mount for it first – then see how much the "feel" changes.

Thomas was asking about what everyone would want in a Clubsport shifter, so here is what I will post on his blog for my feedback:

• Material – aluminum like the CSPs
• Mounting options – hard mount threaded holes on the bottom and the same mounts as on the existing shifter
• Amount of gears – same as existing 6+1, with R in the same place it is now
• Sequential option – Not important to me, paddles on the wheel work for this
• Haptic feeling – like the real thing - especially the feeling of centering into neutral.
• Acoustic – a muted click is fine, but not what the existing one has, my real shifter is more feel then noise.
• Colours / design – Black/silver to match wheel
• Style of gear knob – interchangeable with real car shift knobs
• Size – similar to current shifter
• Compatibility – PWTS and GT3RS, USB for the PC guys
• Pricing - $75-125

Next up – final thoughts on mounting, PWTS Ultimate Edition!?!!, and how about we actually play a game…
 
PWTS Review – Part 5: Final thoughts on mounting after the first few weeks

Mounting - after playing with the PWTS on the WSP for a week or two now, I'm really pleased. Some people have wondered how the unit folds up for storage with the three pedal unit (same issue probably happens with the G25/27) - the pedals need to be offset so the post goes between the brake and gas pedal, but there is no issues with accessing the pedals (even if left foot braking). For now I've removed the shifter as I have a lot of driving to learn before incorporating manual shifting into the mix. If you already have a WSP you can be assured that the Fanatec plays very well with it provided you are able to drill a few holes. I'm sure the Fanatec Rennsport stand would be a great choice too, I just already had the WSP.

PWTS Ultimate Edition Advice - So Fanatec just released the PWTS UE which bundles the PWTS Pure with the CS pedals for the same price as the PWTS with the standard pedals + shifter. I'm not too stressed over the price - as the CS pedals were on sale when I bought my PWTS and I could have bought the Pure + CS pedals for the same price. For me, the CS pedals would have been nice, but the standard ones are fine for my needs + I store the set-up on a different floor of the house from where I play, so lugging the entire unit with the added weight of the CS pedals up the stairs would have been a pain! The new firmware Thomas talks about on his blog sounds exciting - and that will eventually come to all PWTS owners so I'm not concerned I missed anything. But if you are currently looking to buy a PWTS I'd recommend going with the PWTS UE for the better pedals and then holding off on buying the shifter until the CS Shifter comes out... you'll end up wanting to buy the CS shifter anyway. Hurry up though, as the PWTS has ended production.

Real life has been catching up to me lately, but hopefully I'll have some game-play impressions later this week.
 
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So I have had the PWTS for a month or so now and have had a chance to put in a few hours on some of the major PS3 racing titles. Here are my impressions – firmware on the PWTS for all reviews is 669, comparisons are with the DFGT. All games are using the latest patches as of April 2010 and are NTSC versions unless otherwise noted.

First up...

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue – I guess I should start with this, considering the forum! The big complaint I keep reading about the PWTS with this game is about the terrible vibrations when driving down a straight. The first time I played GT5P with the PWTS I made no changes to the default PWTS wheel settings and the game settings were whatever I had set up for the DFGT. The game instantly felt great… I could really feel the weight/balance transfer of the car in the force feedback. The wheel was very firm to turn – fine at Daytona but made the Eiger track a workout! I played around with using drift setting #1 and that helped on the tight tracks. Last night I was playing GT5P and tried again to experience the vibrations – with my hands firmly at 9 and 3 driving, I never felt any swaying, etc. The car felt stable and completely in control. I let the wheel go and it went nuts – shimmying back and forth like mad. So it does it – but when I firmly hold the wheel to drive I never notice it. If it still bugs you, it should be a non-issue when firmware 669 UE comes out and you can adjust deadzones. GT5P with the PWTS is about as close to real driving as a PS3 game is going to get, IMHO. Unfortunately I never got to try the GT5 Time Trial demo with the PWTS – it expired before I got my wheel. I did drive it with the DFGT and experienced the same vibration issue on the straights, although it seemed to diminish when I switched from standard to professional physics.

I'm looking forward to trying it with GT5 – the advantage of just getting into driving games is that I haven't been waiting on GT5 for 4 years, I have only been aware of it and waiting for a few months… and I have plenty of game left to play in GT5P and in the other games to keep me busy until it comes out!
 
Now that firmware 669 UE is out, I have upgraded to that.

Need for Speed Shift – I hate to break it to everyone, as I know this game has some strong opinions around it, but I love it. It is far more fun than GT5P. They really nailed the "feel" of speed – when you are driving fast you know it and it can be terrifying. Speed in GT5P is deceiving as the game feels too nice and smooth…almost boring at times compared to NFSS. Are the physics 100% accurate? I don't know or even care. When I drive are car in NFSS it feels like driving – it feels like driving in GT5P too, but the difference is GT5P feels like driving down the road to the store in the family car while NFSS feels like driving a race car on the track. I think "Sim-cade" (simulation arcade) is probably my sweet spot for racing games. I can't stand arcade games like Sega Rally, but hardcore simulations don't hold my interest either. I just want to sit down and drive cool cars on cool tracks and have fun doing it. I want it to be real enough to be believable but remain fun. NFSS fits this perfectly.
Unfortunately the PWTS and NFSS didn't instantly mesh like GT5P. The first few races were terrible and it took me awhile to tweak the settings, and more importantly, adjust to the "feel" of the PWTS. After a few hours of play, the PWTS now feels very natural in the game and I am back to having a blast screaming around the Nordschleife and at Spa. I would have bought the PWTS for this game alone and been perfectly happy.

Of course I still need to work on my driving...

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Grid – All the reviews say this game's controls take awhile to master, but I couldn't find the patience to stick with it. With the controller, the DFGT, and the PWTS this game did nothing but annoy me. The cars felt like they were on a central axis – there was no weight to them at all. With NFSS offering a lot of the same types of cars and racing, but with better graphics and vastly more realistic and fun feeling cars to drive, Grid just isn't worth the time or frustration to me. I bought it on eBay cheap and traded it in at a GameStop towards Dirt 2, so no big loss.

Superstars V8 Next Challenge (PAL version) – I really, really wanted to like this game. The first one got really bad reviews and this one's reviews have been mixed at best, but the forum topic here on the game is very active so some people must be enjoying it. I loved PC games like TOCA, the close racing between a lot of cars on track is very appealing so I was really looking forward to this. The PWTS worked okay with the game, but the force feedback was very weak. I read one review where the FF suddenly kicked in mid-game and felt incredible… but I had no such luck. Without the force feedback to provide the feel of weight transfer the game felt lifeless to me – not as bad as Grid, but the "rotating on a center axis" feeling was still there. With a lot of time and effort I think you could get into this game and overlook the flaws, but I only get a few hours of time a week to play games, so I just don't have the time to put into it. After much debate, I decided that I'd rather have fun instantly driving GT5P or NFSS, than put in hours and hours on this game. I eBayed the game – an easy sell here in the USA where it isn't normally available. Better luck to the next guy.
 
Supercars Challenge (PAL version) – So the graphics are just okay, the cars are incredibly hard to control, and the game will take hours of practice just for me to be able to get around a track at speed without running off course. Based on my comments on prior games, it sounds like this should be an instant loser for me, right? The difference between SCC and games like Grid and SSV8NC is that SCC feels like you are driving an actual car! I don't mind putting in a few hours of time if the payoff is mastering a car that is difficult to drive, that is different to me than putting in hours of time to learning to control an unnatural feeling game. SCC isn't unnatural – just hard. While SCC leans a little more towards simulation than I would normally enjoy – I still like it a lot for some reason. The PWTS feels very good in the game so far, although I've only got about an hour of time in with it – all the comments you may have seen about the strength of the force feedback are not kidding. The force feedback is incredibly strong in this game – it is the first game I have ever turned the force effects down on! More impressions to come as I play this game more.

Ferrari Challenge – Haven't played it with the PWTS yet, but it should be very similar to SCC.
 
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