the mercedes c63 AMG problem

Diamond1586

Diamond1586

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Diamond1586
hello, i have 1 merc c63 AMG and its fast and stuff....
but, it steers like crap! and ive got 766hp out of it and a friend of mine 840!
though i dont think i installed all parts and stuff.
please help me!
 
Remember, the car was originally built for 400BHP, the chassis can't handle 800BHP. I'd suggest either removing most of the mods or heading over to the tuning section and asking their advice. If the car still won't take corners well after tuning, then you'll have to accept that not every car should be tuned that much.
 
Have you tuned the suspension at all? 766 HP is uncontrollable with the stock suspension. Why would you even crank it up that much. Yes you CAN do it, but the car will never handle the way a 800 hp car should. It might be good for drag racing or something thats about it.
 
Errrrr.... it's a Mercedes, they are renowned for being a bag of fail once you get to any corners. The SLS is ok, but the rest are terrible. It's just GT replicating things correctly LOL
 
Reduce the weight, install Fully Costumisable Suspension, LSD and maybe Sport Soft- or some Racing-Tires.
After that you´ll have to tweak the settings of the suspension and the LSD.
LSD:
Initial Torque: 25
Acc: 35
Brake: 10 (if you want a loose rear while braking like I do, if not => 15-25)

Suspension:
Camber (f/r): 2.5/1.5
Toe (f/r): -0.20/-0.15
Rideheight (f/r): max low
Springs (f/r): 13.5/13.0
Damper compression (f/r): 4/4
Damper extension (f/r): 9/9
Rollbares (f/r): 4/5

For me it works really good, maybe you give it a try :D
 
TwinturboCH
Errrrr.... it's a Mercedes, they are renowned for being a bag of fail once you get to any corners. The SLS is ok, but the rest are terrible. It's just GT replicating things correctly LOL
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Well that's just a big bag of false. Plenty of Mercedes handly very well, it depends what they're made for. As the person above alluded to though, if you double the HP of a car from 400bhp to 800bhp you can't suddenly expect the car to handle well, it wasn't build for that power.
 
Nothing that weight reduction, an aero kit, and a racing suspension, and most importantly, racing softs can't cure.

But it does cost a lot in order to be able to control this care with that much power.

I have fun watching Bob drive this around the Nurb with sports hards. He power slides all over, but he always manages to eek out the win.
 
It handles fine for a fairly heavy car with too much power strapped onto it. Brake earlier and don't mash the throttle.
 
SimonK
Well that's just a big bag of false. Plenty of Mercedes handly very well, it depends what they're made for. As the person above alluded to though, if you double the HP of a car from 400bhp to 800bhp you can't suddenly expect the car to handle well, it wasn't build for that power.
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So the fact that every Mercedes that Top Gear have tested has done miserably compared to it's similarly powered rivals tells you nothing? Seriously, Mercedes cars, EVEN AMG's, are hideous when on track.
Don't get me wrong, they are fun (serious oversteer) but they are devastatingly slow.
 
TwinturboCH
So the fact that every Mercedes that Top Gear have tested has done miserably compared to it's similarly powered rivals tells you nothing? Seriously, Mercedes cars, EVEN AMG's, are hideous when on track.
Don't get me wrong, they are fun (serious oversteer) but they are devastatingly slow.
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That's funny, the staff seems to think pretty highly of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEKd1kePye8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Oh and heres a SL55 in the rain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ27Tu3Hi3k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I don't know where you got your information from... but its crap. So stop spreading bunk crap.
 
Diamond1586
hello, i have 1 merc c63 AMG and its fast and stuff....
but, it steers like crap! and ive got 766hp out of it and a friend of mine 840!
though i dont think i installed all parts and stuff.
please help me!
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How don´t you want to have problems?! :crazy:, First unistall some parts, then adjust the suspension...
 
The car handles terribly in real life. So adding 250 more HP to it just going to make it worse. I'm personally glad it handles terrible, it makes it more realistic. I swear when I drive that thing I can feel the chassis flexing around the corners. Theres times where ill be driving and it will have that wierd FWD characteristic where it understeers in a turn, you let off the gas, and then it the car will jerk and get grip again. I have full weight reduction, LSD, and semi racing suspension on it.
 
TwinturboCH
So the fact that every Mercedes that Top Gear have tested has done miserably compared to it's similarly powered rivals tells you nothing? Seriously, Mercedes cars, EVEN AMG's, are hideous when on track.
Don't get me wrong, they are fun (serious oversteer) but they are devastatingly slow.
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Don't take everything Top Gear and Jeremy Clarkson says as truth.

Have you driven a real Mercedes on the track?
 
II-zOoLoGy-II
That's funny, the staff seems to think pretty highly of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEKd1kePye8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Oh and heres a SL55 in the rain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ27Tu3Hi3k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I don't know where you got your information from... but its crap. So stop spreading bunk crap.
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I suggest you check the lap times on this link before telling people they are spreading 'bunk crap'. Video's prove nothing, lap times prove everything.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/powerlaps.shtml

E.G.
E63 AMG matched my a Boxster Spider
CLS55 AMG matched by a Holden Maloo
CL65 AMG matched by a STOCK Evo VIII
S63 AMG matched by a BMW 130i
SL55 AMG matched by a Golf R32

And none of that is down to opinions, that is down to outright laptimes by 'the stig'.

SimonK
Have you driven a real Mercedes on the track?
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Yes, CLS 63 AMG. Annoyed the hell out of me after half an hour.
 
KingSakery
Reduce the weight, install Fully Costumisable Suspension, LSD and maybe Sport Soft- or some Racing-Tires.
After that you´ll have to tweak the settings of the suspension and the LSD.
LSD:
Initial Torque: 25
Acc: 35
Brake: 10 (if you want a loose rear while braking like I do, if not => 15-25)

Suspension:
Camber (f/r): 2.5/1.5
Toe (f/r): -0.20/-0.15
Rideheight (f/r): max low
Springs (f/r): 13.5/13.0
Damper compression (f/r): 4/4
Damper extension (f/r): 9/9
Rollbares (f/r): 4/5

For me it works really good, maybe you give it a try :D
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This just plain isnt a good set up.

AND btw any AMG car handles amazingly. The SL65 is an extremely fast and good handling car.
 
Poppins
This just plain isnt a good set up.

AND btw any AMG car handles amazingly. The SL65 is an extremely fast and good handling car.
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Watch the video of the SL55 in the wet that is posted above. The car is going from understeer to oversteer then undertseer, then oversteer etc etc etc. It's shocking.
 
TwinturboCH
Watch the video of the SL55 in the wet that is posted above. The car is going from understeer to oversteer then undertseer, then oversteer etc etc etc. It's shocking.
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No it isnt, you saying that makes you sound like you have never driven fast in the rain before. Look at his time 1:33.
 
Poppins
No it isnt, you saying that makes you sound like you have never driven fast in the rain before. Look at his time 1:33.
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And in the same conditions, a 350bhp (nearly 200bhp less than the Mercedes) Ford Focus RS500 lapped 2.4 second faster ;) 2.4 seconds slower per lap means that, on a ~1:30 lap the focus would be able to lap the mercedes in something like 37.5 laps LOL

Watch the in-car shots of the merc, the understeer/oversteer/understeer is CLEARLY visible. If you think I've never driven a fast car before then you are ever so slightly wrong LMAO
 
Try this, I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

Paulie
LDP Sinister C63 Predator Edition
(496hp/370kw @ 7,200rpm) (646Nm @ 5,200rpm) (1403kg)​

Description: The C63 AMG is a monstrous V8 sedan, there's no doubt about it. With its raw and muscular V8 and its brutish handling, it's safe to say larikins will get their kicks out of it. What we've done with this customer's car is hone it in to provide much more balanced handling, with a re-map of the ECU the only power modification done. The overall appearance combined with the slick new handling package makes this one sinister muscle car, one that just about anyone will get a kick out of.

Base Model: Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG '08

Parts to Purchase:

Tuning Shop:
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Carbon Bonnet
Rigidity Improvement
Sports ECU
Fully Customisable Transmission
Twin Plate Clutch
Semi-Racing Flywheel
Carbon Propeller Shaft
Fully Customisable LSD
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Sports Soft Tyres

GT Auto:
Oil Change
Front Splitter
Restore Body Rigidity (Where applicable)
Engine Overhaul (Where applicable)

Tuner's Notes:
Shift at around redline.
Tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1.

Settings:
1) General Purpose Dry Weather Setup
_________________________________________
General Purpose Dry Weather Setup

Transmission:
1st: 4.320
2nd: 2.935
3rd: 2.160
4th: 1.653
5th: 1.315
6th: 1.087
7th: 0.934
Final: 2.820
Max Speed: 350km/hr

Drivetrain: (front/rear)
Initial Torque: 0/20
Acceleration: 0/50
Deceleration: 0/40

Suspension: (front/rear)
Ride Height: -30/-29
Spring Rates (kgf/mm): 7.0/7.0
Dampers Extension: 5/4
Dampers Compression: 3/2
Anti-Roll Bars: 6/4
Camber: 2.2/2.0
Toe: 0.00/+0.20

Brake Balance (front/rear): 6/4
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TwinturboCH
So the fact that every Mercedes that Top Gear have tested has done miserably compared to it's similarly powered rivals tells you nothing? Seriously, Mercedes cars, EVEN AMG's, are hideous when on track.
Don't get me wrong, they are fun (serious oversteer) but they are devastatingly slow.
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:ouch:
Every time someone uses Top Gear as a benchmark, resource, or otherwise treats their verdicts as fact I die a little inside.

The show is entertainment. I'd generally trust the laptimes the stig puts up, but I treat the host segments as comedy based around cars.
 
TwinturboCH
I suggest you check the lap times on this link before telling people they are spreading 'bunk crap'. Video's prove nothing, lap times prove everything.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/powerlaps.shtml

E.G.
E63 AMG matched my a Boxster Spider
CLS55 AMG matched by a Holden Maloo
CL65 AMG matched by a STOCK Evo VIII
S63 AMG matched by a BMW 130i
SL55 AMG matched by a Golf R32

And none of that is down to opinions, that is down to outright laptimes by 'the stig'.


Yes, CLS 63 AMG. Annoyed the hell out of me after half an hour.
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Are you serious with those comparisons?

Large E-class and S-class sedans, and some large, heavy 2-seaters that I'm guessing are considered grand tourers compared to cars like Boxsters, hot hatches, and rally-inspired cars that all (not sure about the Maloo, but isn't that the modern day El Camino?) weigh much less?

I've got a C63 maxed out to almost 900 hp, and I'll be sure to try out some of the tunes referenced in this thread. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
 
TwinturboCH
I suggest you check the lap times on this link before telling people they are spreading 'bunk crap'. Video's prove nothing, lap times prove everything.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/powerlaps.shtml

E.G.
E63 AMG matched my a Boxster Spider
CLS55 AMG matched by a Holden Maloo
CL65 AMG matched by a STOCK Evo VIII
S63 AMG matched by a BMW 130i
SL55 AMG matched by a Golf R32

And none of that is down to opinions, that is down to outright laptimes by 'the stig'.

Yes, CLS 63 AMG. Annoyed the hell out of me after half an hour.
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Can you say power to weight ratio?

And don't worry about quoting the lap times of the SLR or SL both of which bested... Zonda, Murcielago, and every car you have listed.
 
khj94704
Are you serious with those comparisons?

Large E-class and S-class sedans, and some large, heavy 2-seaters that I'm guessing are considered grand tourers compared to cars like Boxsters, hot hatches, and rally-inspired cars that all (not sure about the Maloo, but isn't that the modern day El Camino?) weigh much less?

I've got a C63 maxed out to almost 900 hp, and I'll be sure to try out some of the tunes referenced in this thread. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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Exactly.... He failed to take anything into consideration besides his precious lap times.

Oh, and make sure you check out the RKM Motorsport tune, by far the best in my opinion. And my C63 is maxxxxxxed out.
 
freedomweasel
:ouch:
Every time someone uses Top Gear as a benchmark, resource, or otherwise treats their verdicts as fact I die a little inside.

The show is entertainment. I'd generally trust the laptimes the stig puts up, but I treat the host segments as comedy based around cars.
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I am ONLY talking about lap times, at NO POINT have I said that anyhting the presenters say is fact. Why can't you lot learn to read posts before getting all high and mighty?
 

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