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One of my forum threads just got locked because "it was spamming".

Now (hold your horses, this is not spamming, I'm just giving the background to what the thread was about), I created a thread in the Online Events / Racing Series about this new racing series I'm creating (you'll find it here). This thread is general information about the series, and the second post has a section for teams looking for drivers, and drivers looking for teams.

Now, as you might see if you look at the thread, this series is about getting teams to join a series and race for a team championship title. It is an online racing series so it clearly belongs in the Racing Series forum.

A big aspect of the racing series, however, is the formation and recruitment of teams. What section of the forum belongs to teams and clubs? It's the Online Events / Clubs & Leagues, is it not?

So what I did was to create a new thread in that section, specifically about recruiting teams and drivers for teams to the series. You find that thread here.

Now, just a few minutes after the creation of the thread, a super moderator locked it, by claiming that it was spamming.

I claim, that this second thread was not spamming at all, but rather a recruitment thread posted in the appropriate section of the GTPlanet forum. The two threads are clearly different. Yes both are recruiting, but one is a general information thread targeted at people who might be looking for an online series to join (in the Racing Series section) and the other is, to be blunt, a recruitment ad targeted at already existing teams and people who are specifically looking for teams to join. Those are two different target audiences, and two very different threads.

Now, if I'm not the only one here who has studied information science at university level, can someone tell me how people in the Clubs & Leagues section are gonna find this information if I am not allowed to recruit by making a thread there? Am I supposed to spam every already existing thread in that section about the new series? Cause that looks an awful lot like spamming to me, and even hijacking other people's threads.

A lot of information in life spans over several different categories. In modern information science theory, those phenomenons are given entries in each and every category that it belongs to, to make the information searchable and retrievable by the people who don't know the exact location of the information they are looking for.

If the policy of GTPlanet is to not allow that kind of cross-categorization, then what is the basis of that policy? What information science theories promotes that kind of policy, other than "books are meant to be kept in strict order and should preferably not be read at all, because if they are they might be destroyed"?

There is nothing in the forum FAQ that implies that the kind of threads I created is considered to be spam. This is unique event, with the first thread being a general information thread in the Racing Series section, and the other thread being a recruitment thread specifically aimed at already existing team structures, and people looking to join a team.

Now, this is not meant as bashing at the moderators, on the contrary I appreciate the very quick reply I got from the moderator where he argued his case and answered my questions. This is all about the policy, which, if it indeed is the case that this is how it's supposed to be, I think should change.

What do you think?
 
Additional info (this is not considered double posting, according to the FAQ):

There are already several threads like the ones I created. One example is the C.R.A.P. people, who have at least three different threads in the Clubs & Leagues section, and one in the Photomode section. What is the policy there?

After all, it should be equal for all. Not saying that their threads should be closed, but my thread in Clubs & Leagues should be re-opened.
 
Fourteen minutes is NOT a reasonable amount of time. Also, while I understand your point, I do see the redundancy and understand why he closed it.

FAQ
“Double posting” occurs when a user makes two consecutive posts, one after another. If this is done for no apparent reason, or if the posts are unimportant, “double posting” is looked down upon and may result in a warning or infraction for “spam”. You can edit any of your forum posts on GTPlanet at any time, and this is generally the best option to take if you have more to add to the discussion. However, it is not expressly forbidden, and can be useful in many cases. For example, if a reasonable amount of time has passed or you have significant information to add to the topic, present it in a new post so that others, including thread subscribers, are made aware of the update..
 
I agree with the OP. The one he locked was something totally different to his other thread. It had different information in it too. Thus it should be unlocked.
 
Personally I think the moderator probably had a perfectly good reason to lock the thread, as they are very good at their job and are rarely wrong. However I accept the C.R.A.P. point, they do have a lot of threads.
 
One thread per series, per club, et cetera.

The only exception is for the GTP Official Weekly Races, which are contained entirely in their own sub-forum.

I would recommend cutting and pasting the information into the same thread. If you want to advertise it, mention it in your signature, via a link.
 
One thread per series, per club, et cetera.

The only exception is for the GTP Official Weekly Races, which are contained entirely in their own sub-forum.

There are actually several series that run off of multiple threads. If that's not allowed, I think a moderator should go through the online racing section and put the word out.
 
So you have the main thread in the racing series forum, and you posted this one that is now locked in the clubs and leagues forum to get some interest from the clubs and leagues here. I could see exactly where you were coming from when you posted those 2.

So what about the one you posted in between those? The one you posted in the main GT5 forum that you've neglected to mention here. The one that served no purpose there other than advertising.

Also, to answer your "how are clubs going to find it" question, if clubs are interested in doing racing series, then they'll find it. You can't just put stuff in forums that have more traffic. As you've studied "information science" then you'll know that things should go where they should go, and not where you think people will find them.
 
I claim, that this second thread was not spamming at all, but rather a recruitment thread posted in the appropriate section of the GTPlanet forum. The two threads are clearly different. Yes both are recruiting, but one is a general information thread targeted at people who might be looking for an online series to join (in the Racing Series section) and the other is, to be blunt, a recruitment ad targeted at already existing teams and people who are specifically looking for teams to join. Those are two different target audiences, and two very different threads.

Now, if I'm not the only one here who has studied information science at university level, can someone tell me how people in the Clubs & Leagues section are gonna find this information if I am not allowed to recruit by making a thread there? Am I supposed to spam every already existing thread in that section about the new series? Cause that looks an awful lot like spamming to me, and even hijacking other people's threads.
The problem is that your "second thread" wasn't a Club or a League, but was simply an 'advertisement' targeted towards the people who run them. That's not what that forum is for, and that's why your thread was closed. If you want to reach those people, you should invite them, or let them find your series naturally or via a link in your signature.

Additional info (this is not considered double posting, according to the FAQ):

There are already several threads like the ones I created. One example is the C.R.A.P. people, who have at least three different threads in the Clubs & Leagues section, and one in the Photomode section. What is the policy there?
There is no issue with multiple, legitimate threads for a club or race series. There is an issue if those other threads are just promoting a club or series in another forum around the site, which is what you've done here.
 
Ya man that was like my sheep thread. It had like 100 post so fast everyone was laughing and making jokes at this sheep pic. Out of know where it gets locked only because it's too much sheep talk. Broke zero rules was so bull.
 
Ya man that was like my sheep thread. It had like 100 post so fast everyone was laughing and making jokes at this sheep pic. Out of know where it gets locked only because it's too much sheep talk. Broke zero rules was so bull.
It was a spam thread, plain and simple. Ewe may have intended it to be an actual, legitimate discussion but it took less than 10 posts for the unnecessary posts to start flying, hence the (f)lock.
 
TB
It was a spam thread, plain and simple. Ewe may have intended it to be an actual, legitimate discussion but it took less than 10 posts for the unnecessary posts to start flying, hence the (f)lock.
I don't think it was a spam thread, it was fun to crack jokes for once, and at least half of it was legitimate discussion. It wasn't any more of a spam thread than the 50 wishlist threads that float around. An update wishlist thread, a DLC wishlist thread, a car wishlist thread, a track wishlist thread, another DLC wishlist thread, and every new wishlist that comes in almost NEVER gets a lock on it and just keeps going.
 
I don't think it was a spam thread, it was fun to crack jokes for once, and at least half of it was legitimate discussion. It wasn't any more of a spam thread than the 50 wishlist threads that float around. An update wishlist thread, a DLC wishlist thread, a car wishlist thread, a track wishlist thread, another DLC wishlist thread, and every new wishlist that comes in almost NEVER gets a lock on it and just keeps going.
Ignoring your exaggerations, a 'wishlist' thread is not the same as one stuffed with random sheep pictures in a Gran Turismo forum. If you want to crack jokes and have a laugh, visit The Rumble Strip.
 
Ignoring your exaggerations, a 'wishlist' thread is not the same as one stuffed with random sheep pictures in a Gran Turismo forum. If you want to crack jokes and have a laugh, visit The Rumble Strip.
I would argue back and give you links to 5 or 10 wishlists, but you are the one and only super admin. :scared:
 
The point is that wishlists, however pointless and irritating they may be are on topic. A spam thread full of sheep pictures has nothing to do with GT and never will.
 
TB
It was a spam thread, plain and simple. Ewe may have intended it to be an actual, legitimate discussion but it took less than 10 posts for the unnecessary posts to start flying, hence the (f)lock.

Why did the sheep thread got closed?
Welshies stole all the sheep.

See above post. The wolf fleeced the thread and we are left with mutton.
 
One thread per series, per club, et cetera.

The only exception is for the GTP Official Weekly Races, which are contained entirely in their own sub-forum.

I would recommend cutting and pasting the information into the same thread. If you want to advertise it, mention it in your signature, via a link.

Not starting an argument or anything, but what if I were to start a new season for a particular series? Does that count as making a duplicate thread?
 
Jordan
Ignoring your exaggerations, a 'wishlist' thread is not the same as one stuffed with random sheep pictures in a Gran Turismo forum. If you want to crack jokes and have a laugh, visit The Rumble Strip.

Ahha I love how even in here so many people new about the sheep thread. It was a pic that I took in GT of some sheep which as far as the people who messages have never new existed before. It was also funny that they looked amazing for something that was so rarely seen. Many discussions were going on about PD putting effort into these sheep more than cars, other saying about how there is scenery designers who aren't responsible for the cars made, and finally just funny messages about sheep and witty car/sheep jokes. Hurt no one and was part of GT. I even said I would move it to rumble strip after like 5 pages of comments already since it was getting to be a bit more fun than factual but no just closed
 
I liked that sheep thread. Spam, eh, I agree with that but it's good to laugh every once in a while. Reminds me of the "Save Autumn Ring Three" topic.
 
I liked that sheep thread. Spam, eh, I agree with that but it's good to laugh every once in a while. Reminds me of the "Save Autumn Ring Three" topic.
I liked it too. It was a fun place to joke around. And what people forget is that there was real discussion going on there. It was when somebody said that the sheep should travel onto the track is when it got off track. It was funny though.
 
Many discussions were going on about PD putting effort into these sheep more than cars, other saying about how there is scenery designers who aren't responsible for the cars made,
Which is why it was left open.

shmogt
and finally just funny messages about sheep and witty car/sheep jokes.
Which is why it was closed.

If you want to make jokes about sheep, do it in the right forum, in the right thread.

Coxis
Spam, eh, I agree with that but it's good to laugh every once in a while.
Agreed - but have a laugh in the right place. People looking for info about GT5 aren't looking for sheep jokes. People looking for a laugh in the Rumble Strip might be.
 
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Like I said I asked to reopen and move to rumble strip and it was just no. I have no control over who makes a sheep joke. Really tho a few sheep jokes thrown in is what closed it lol. Comic relief is what you want in a thread like that or it would just be hate comments saying how PD screwed up again. The thread brought everyone together and got closed right in its prime. What a shame.
 
Just rename your series A.R.S.E. or similar, you can then have 3 or 4 threads going then.
 
dhandes
Just rename your series A.R.S.E. or similar, you can then have 3 or 4 threads going then.
Exactly. Take a look at this:
NEW C.R.A.P Racing - Regular Events Thread -Heathenpride
3:53 PM
Clubs & Leagues

NEW Online C.R.A.P members now -Heathenpride
3:34 PM
Clubs & Leagues

C.R.A.P - Casual Racing Affiliates Program -Heathenpride
2:43 PM
Clubs & Leagues

Massive undertaking, seeking interested drivers -Heathenpride
Yesterday
Clubs & Leagues

Online racing for casual racers -Heathenpride
Nov 08 2011
GT5 Questions & Answers

C.R.A.P POLL - Next Enduro? -Heathenpride
Nov 06 2011
Clubs & Leagues

C.R.A.P Club Enduro Poll -Heathenpride
Nov 05 2011
Clubs & Leagues
That's 5 or 6 threads about crap. 2 or 3 is plenty. All he does is just start new threads, seems like a bunch of spamming.

And notice that he's started a few main CRAP threads, not just one. I know he's trying to get along, but this is just ridiculous. The OP can't start two threads, but he can get away with 6?
 
I'm interested to see the result of this.

Or give the C.R.A.P. their own sub-forum, that would tidy things up.
 
I've suggested he creates a group where he can post all his crap.
 
shmogt
That dude is always annoying.
Irony.

Ok - cleaned up; enough pointless whinging and picking on other members unnecessarily. Locked.
 
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