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So, now that Monaco is over, and the focus switches to Canada in two weeks' time, this is certainly something that is going to attract attention over the next few days.
Canada 2012 - "Maybe there SHOULD be disruptions!"
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So, now that Monaco is over, and the focus switches to Canada in two weeks' time, this is certainly something that is going to attract attention over the next few days.
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I'm sure it will be alright. Bahrain went fine (whether you agree with it or not), and Canada is close to the same in the way the U.S. handles such protest, so I wouldn't be worried.
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I'm afraid It's gone beyond tuition hikes now. Quebec Premier Jean Charest passed a certain bill (#78) literally overnight trying to put a lid on the crisis and lots of people (not just students) are understandably upset. Every night at 8pm people are coming out on their balconies and banging pots and pans or marching through the streets. It's a growing into a bigger protest and a bigger issue on the whole. Police brutality has added fuel to the fire but personally I think it has more to do with where all that money is going and the secret political agendas being touted not just in Quebec but by Canada's corrupted federal government.
But hey (
) I'm just a semi-casual observer.
But hey (
) I'm just a semi-casual observer.
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There has been some progress in discussions between student reps and provincial government according to media; doubt the GP will be disrupted; maybe the night life will be disrupted by some protest/police clashes (an original Montrealer now living out West eh)
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I can add that there are huge lines of Canadians crossing the border to purchase gasoline at Blaine and Bellingham, Washington at about $4.59/gallon. It more than pays for their trip compared to domestic prices, it is reported.
Since the GP itself takes place on an island, security for the race itself will be no problem. But Canadians should certainly rightly be concerned if their rights and opportunities are being denied to them by an oppressive government.
Respectfully submitted,
Steve
Since the GP itself takes place on an island, security for the race itself will be no problem. But Canadians should certainly rightly be concerned if their rights and opportunities are being denied to them by an oppressive government.
Respectfully submitted,
Steve
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- No...
All Quebec ever does is moan & complain.
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I'm afraid It's gone beyond tuition hikes now. Quebec Premier Jean Charest passed a certain bill (#78) literally overnight trying to put a lid on the crisis and lots of people (not just students) are understandably upset. Every night at 8pm people are coming out on their balconies and banging pots and pans or marching through the streets. It's a growing into a bigger protest and a bigger issue on the whole. Police brutality has added fuel to the fire but personally I think it has more to do with where all that money is going and the secret political agendas being touted not just in Quebec but by Canada's corrupted federal government.
But hey (
This ^ comment which I want to call first person point of view due to minor evidence obviously, shows us as I said earlier how like the US police will use great force. Thus once again- though I don't agree with police using such force- I see this being more of a lock down come race time than Bahrain. Just due to how amped up the Police get thus resulting in the civilians to press the issue and it's a reciprocating event after that.
I would say that about your older crowd those who are late 40s and beyond, which many come down to my state to escape the cold winter months. I have no idea about the rest of them.
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Anonymous are now threatening the race:
http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/anonymous-warns-over-another-f1-computer-attack-1082488
http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/anonymous-warns-over-another-f1-computer-attack-1082488
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Since 1906, Grand Prix racing has been all about appealing to people who can afford to buy cars. That's why FIAT (Ferrari), Renault, and Mercedes were there both at the beginning and now. Henry Ford paid a high enough wage to his assembly line workers in order that they could buy the product he sold.
Comes the day (perhaps in June at Montreal?), that the aspiring man no longer can afford (or even wants) to buy, license, insure, fuel and drive a car - then we have a real problem.
Respectfully,
Steve
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You're right, F1 has nothing to do with this. But similar to Bahrain, the protesters are attempting to use the race and the media that follows as a spotlight to shine a light on their cause.
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I pay approx $6650 each term for my studies, this adds up to a total of $39900 for my 3 year B.A. study. This total is excluding additional costs (i.e. equipment, travel).
I have no sympathy for these students.
I have no sympathy for these students.
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So "Anonymous" are now involving themselves again, and making threats regarding the personal data (credit card details and the like) of people who will visit the race... that's not right. Not that I'm anywhere near Canada, but if the same threats were made against a race I was planning on going to, this would be the last thing that would generate any sympathy for their cause with me.
Maybe the government should cancel the race, and take $100,000,000 lost income out of the budget for education.
.. and also, why don't anonymous do something useful... there's plenty of illegal, immoral stuff out there on the internet that they could use their tactics against.... but yet they waste there time with stuff like this.
.. also, on the student thing.... I wish they'd stop protesting, it makes them seem ungrateful for all the tax dollars that ARE taken from each working citizen and GIVEN to them, so they can do what they want to do.
Maybe the government should cancel the race, and take $100,000,000 lost income out of the budget for education.
.. and also, why don't anonymous do something useful... there's plenty of illegal, immoral stuff out there on the internet that they could use their tactics against.... but yet they waste there time with stuff like this.
.. also, on the student thing.... I wish they'd stop protesting, it makes them seem ungrateful for all the tax dollars that ARE taken from each working citizen and GIVEN to them, so they can do what they want to do.
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I don't think Anonymous intended it as a threat, but as a warning. They are simply pointing out that the last time they moved against Formula 1, they found the unsecured personal data of everyone who bought tickets to the race. They released that information, but redacted the credit card information. So there is a certain honour in what they do.
However, I think their threats against Formula 1 are misplaced this time. I could understand their reasons for attacking the sport during the Bahrain Grand Prix, but the situation is entirely different in Canada. The relationship between the sport, the government and the outside world is not as clearly defined as it was in Bahrain, and by purchasing tickets for the race, people are not endorsing the actions of the government the way they were in Bahrain. After all, the Canadian government isn't killing, torturing and detaining people without charge.
However, I think their threats against Formula 1 are misplaced this time. I could understand their reasons for attacking the sport during the Bahrain Grand Prix, but the situation is entirely different in Canada. The relationship between the sport, the government and the outside world is not as clearly defined as it was in Bahrain, and by purchasing tickets for the race, people are not endorsing the actions of the government the way they were in Bahrain. After all, the Canadian government isn't killing, torturing and detaining people without charge.
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Q to the F to the T.
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In response to the threats, the race organisers have cancelled Open Doors Day, which normally takes place on the Thursday before the race:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100127
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100127
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Quebec has the highest debt per captita than any other province, or state in the U.S., so who pays for low tuition? - the next generation; or the next, or the next?
Then there is the issue of the new law with rules for peaceful demonstration; the government sure put their foot in it on that.
The race will go on, but the nights may have protests in the streets.
Montrealers please do not give Bernie Ecclestone a reason to bypass Canada!
Then there is the issue of the new law with rules for peaceful demonstration; the government sure put their foot in it on that.
The race will go on, but the nights may have protests in the streets.
Montrealers please do not give Bernie Ecclestone a reason to bypass Canada!
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Bernie had no sympathy for an entire nation rising up to overthrow a dictatorial regime.
Do you really think a group of liberal arts students complaining about increased fees is going to register with him?
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Wow Anon is very annoying, they are just as authoritarian as those who they are protesting against. This if you're not with us, then against us mentality wont fix the world any time soon, and now us average joes that also struggle with college bills but get some relaxation out of a simple race must suffer?
The double standard here is just mind blowing.
The double standard here is just mind blowing.
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Great article about Jacques Villeneuve's opinion of the protesting around the grand prix.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-jacques-villeneuve-criticizes-quebecs-student-protesters
Great article about Jacques Villeneuve's opinion of the protesting around the grand prix.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-jacques-villeneuve-criticizes-quebecs-student-protesters
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It's not very well thought out, and seems to add fuel to the fire. His understanding and view point on politics is at best something he should of kept to himself.
Also shows a disconnect from reality, since he probably hasn't faced the struggle these angry folks are facing. I'm not saying they are doing everything right and if I were the group I would have voiced not being affiliated with Anon.
Also shows a disconnect from reality, since he probably hasn't faced the struggle these angry folks are facing. I'm not saying they are doing everything right and if I were the group I would have voiced not being affiliated with Anon.
