Gran Turismo has a clutch?!

Luxy · Nov 7, 2004

I've just been reading an interesting thread at GT3Times.
http://forums.gttimes.com/viewtopic.php?t=9174

I don't know if it's useful or not, but it seems that in certain low-powered cars where RPMs drop significantly during shifts can gain an advantage by tapping the reverse button (triangle, by default) at high RPM to upshift, rather than the actual upshift button (R2, by default).

Give it a try in the 1000m test in a Miata. Hold the gas fully down. Once the tach is into the redline, tap reverse. The car will shift up to 2nd gear, and the tach won't drop as far as it would on a normal shift.

lionel · Nov 7, 2004

I use it mostly in the license tests and the time trials, it does help out quite a bit, in fact when viewing the demo on the tests, the computer driver gets left behind when I shift. It also works on most mildly-powered cars but not any of the LM or F1 cars.

Steeda · Nov 7, 2004

Thats kinda wierd.. I do almost the same thing in PGR2. When i shift i press shift up and the E brake at the same time to keep the revs up. On some high powered cars, you can spin the wheels through 2nd gear

Luxy · Nov 7, 2004

Just did a quick test for myself in a stock RX-7 RS. I left TCS at 5, to try and make the starts as consistent (if slow) as possible.

1000m test:
Shifting normally: 25.469
Shifting with the clutch: 24.998

Of particular interest is that the turbo stays at full boost when shifting with the clutch ...

The shift from 1st to 2nd is tricky to time, but gives the most advantage. I'm able to make up 0.400 by the first split @ 400m.

98cobra · Nov 7, 2004

Nice, I'll try that out. 👍

demon of speed · Nov 8, 2004

Worth giving a go.

lionel · Nov 8, 2004

I have found that on some, more powerful cars, it is near impossible to make the shift from 1st to 2nd.

sgtstix · Nov 8, 2004

did u also know that if u tap the reverse while moving if u use manual the car goes into neutral

JW31 · Nov 8, 2004

lol. it is actually faster? when i first found out, it felt kinda slow..
hmmm, even if it's faster, it's gets kinda annoying to press reverse everytime you want to shift.

Anderton Prime · Nov 8, 2004

sgtstix
did u also know that if u tap the reverse while moving if u use manual the car goes into neutral

Umm, yes. That is what this entire thread is about. If you visit the link in the first post, it will take you to a page which explains how tapping the reverse button acts like a clutch, putting the car into neutral instead of downshifting.

Luxy · Nov 8, 2004

JW31
lol. it is actually faster? when i first found out, it felt kinda slow..
hmmm, even if it's faster, it's gets kinda annoying to press reverse everytime you want to shift.

In some very specific situations, it is faster. I changed my controller config so that R1 is reverse and triangle is change view. Easy

Epinionator89 · Nov 21, 2004

Just use the manual transmission for when using the Triangle button for upshifts. I found that it's very hard to "use the clutch" with the automatic transmission. You'll save yourself a lot of hassle.

[Edit]: accelerate while using the triangle button when driving with the manual transmission for it to work properly, or else the car will shift into neutral.

pimp racer · Nov 22, 2004

Hmm... This sounds cool I will give it a go.

lionel · Nov 22, 2004

I found another oddity involved with this reverse tap shifting when I was driving my Lancia Delta HF Rally Car in the bumper cam view, when shifting through the gears with normal R1 and R2 methods, the blowoff valve is very loud, as it should be, but when using the reverse tapping method, there is no blow off valve pshhh at all. Very odd. And on another note, I was playing 2 player the other day and in my friend's garage he had a stock Impreza STi, the red one without the bug eyes, and for the speed rating, where it has handling, speed, and accelleration, it has a red circle all of the way around the speed, like it would 10000mph or something, maybe this is just a glitch or something, im sure its been brought up anyways so I didn't want to make an entire thread on it.

Epinionator89 · Nov 23, 2004

lionel
And on another note, I was playing 2 player the other day and in my friend's garage he had a stock Impreza STi, the red one without the bug eyes, and for the speed rating, where it has handling, speed, and accelleration, it has a red circle all of the way around the speed, like it would 10000mph or something, maybe this is just a glitch or something, im sure its been brought up anyways so I didn't want to make an entire thread on it.

Some of the cars I have have the exact problem. It's gotta be a glitch.

sUn · Nov 23, 2004

Use manual, drive until your maxing out 5th gear, then stop accelerating but don't downshift, after a while when your down to about 3000RPM press the Reverse button and let go and the car will go into the proper gear for that speed. :dopey:

Kerrigan · Nov 23, 2004

Gran Turismo does not have a clutch you can control.

When you hit reverse close/at redline, it will put the gear into reverse; But since you are traveling at speeds inadequate of being able to actually engage the reverse gear, it will engage the clutch instead.

Since you hold the accelerator down while you do this, the engine will simply continue to rev, letting the turbo spool all the while: hence no blow off valve whooosh noises

When you initiate reverse it will leave it in reverse, or in reverse with the clutch engaged, until you hit the accelerator. When youre changing gears in the way described above, when you tap reverse at redline it will quickly change the gear to reverse with the clutch engaged, so as soon as you let go of the reverse button it will snap back into a forward gear, or the next gear you would have changed in.

This is no where near as fast as changing the gears normally at redline. I tested this on about 5 cars for half an hour, and EVERY time I changed gears normaly, I was at least .5 seconds faster than when I used this reverse method.

I think you people dont change the gears at the proper redlines, as some of you dont experience faster times with regular gear changes. When you do port & polish and whatnot, it raises your redline. The tachometer however, will continue to show the redline at the original numbers, 7,000 rpm, 7500 rpm etc; though the ACTUAL redline may be 500, or even 1000 rpm higher than that.

Dont change gears when the light blinks, change gears JUST before the tach bounces back.

S31Ender · Nov 23, 2004

lionel
I found another oddity involved with this reverse tap shifting when I was driving my Lancia Delta HF Rally Car in the bumper cam view, when shifting through the gears with normal R1 and R2 methods, the blowoff valve is very loud, as it should be, but when using the reverse tapping method, there is no blow off valve pshhh at all. Very odd.

It doesn't make the blowoff sound because the turbo boost doesn't release........

lionel · Nov 23, 2004

S31Ender
It doesn't make the blowoff sound because the turbo boost doesn't release........

Oh ok, it makes sense now, I had not thought of it like that before.

Gran Turismo has a clutch?!

Luxy

lionel

Steeda

Luxy

98cobra

demon of speed

lionel

sgtstix

JW31

Anderton Prime

Luxy

Epinionator89

pimp racer

lionel

Epinionator89

sUn

Kerrigan

S31Ender

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