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DarkKni9hT

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New guy here, been looking around for a few days. I don't really need too much car tuning help as I am a GT addict from the first game and have got the hang of near every car ever built for the series. I do however have a question for some of you out there. It's not really GT4 related, but bear with me.

What the Hell is it with people on these boards that feel it is OK to post replies that are nothing but rude, pricky remarks about how useless others are at properly posting or asking for info? Do you all think you are better than the rest of the guys and girls who like GT just as much as you but perhaps are not so used to spending their entire, pathetic lives in message boards that they know all the little nuances of posting and searching? Or have you ever considered that many of these "morons" may simply be kids with a cool video game that they would like some help with? Instead of getting it, with a polite reminder or pointer as to how it might be done, invariably some sad prick with a superiority complex gained through years of message board geekdom steps up and slaps the poor kid in the face with some arrogant, insulting remark. I hope you all are proud of yourselves, grinding people into the mud with your holier-than-thou attitudes. Makes me sick to think you call this a "community" forum. Get a life people. It's a game!!

p.s. Anyone wishing to answer this post with a pricky remark can address it to www.kiss_my_ass/learn_to_be_nice/you_rude_bastard.com
 
Whilst the kind heart that dwells within me agrees in large part with your sentiments, I can also see the other side of the coin.

Imagine being harranged by a bunch of kids all crying for an ice cream. Tho' they are not your kids and you certainly didn't make out tht you were an unpaid public information service, you politely explain that it's rude to shout and if they would just turn around they would see the ice cream van just behind them. They dash off without a word of thanks and before you can turn around you are surrounded by another bunch of indistinguishable kids crying for an ice cream. Repeat that for a few years and then ponder how you would behave after a while.

So I perfectly understand why some of the members here get quite short on the keyboard with people who are too lazy or simply too ignorant to do any work for themselves. It's either that, or like me, you stop answering the questions.

As to the 'geek-dom' snipes made in your post above ... that was simply a knee-jerk-reflex example of how knowledge has come to be viewed as something undesirable these days.

Why is it that knowing the inner workings of one of the most complicated, multi-functional machines ever invented is seen as something to be disdained but kicking around a bag of wind on a Saturday afternoon is be to lauded :shrugs and waits for society to collapse because no-one is inspired to actually learn anything anymore:
 
sukerkin
Whilst the kind heart that dwells within me agrees in large part with your sentiments, I can also see the other side of the coin.

Imagine being harranged by a bunch of kids all crying for an ice cream. Tho' they are not your kids and you certainly didn't make out tht you were an unpaid public information service, you politely explain that it's rude to shout and if they would just turn around they would see the ice cream van just behind them. They dash off without a word of thanks and before you can turn around you are surrounded by another bunch of indistinguishable kids crying for an ice cream. Repeat that for a few years and then ponder how you would behave after a while.

So I perfectly understand why some of the members here get quite short on the keyboard with people who are too lazy or simply too ignorant to do any work for themselves. It's either that, or like me, you stop answering the questions.

As to the 'geek-dom' snipes made in your post above ... that was simply a knee-jerk-reflex example of how knowledge has come to be viewed as something undesirable these days.

Why is it that knowing the inner workings of one of the most complicated, multi-functional machines ever invented is seen as something to be disdained but kicking around a bag of wind on a Saturday afternoon is be to lauded :shrugs and waits for society to collapse because no-one is inspired to actually learn anything anymore:
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My word! An intelligent response. Thank you.
Other side of the coin seen and respected, however, at what point do you begin slapping the children about for not listening to your gentle chides? Best to do this or simply deny them the ice cream ...i.e. simply delete the excessive threads and force them to learn by searching other avenues for their answers. They will eventually learn. As well, should you begin to slap all children for the whining of a few. What does a first time offender learn from being rudely and summarily pissed upon when he/she knew no bwtter. Does this encourage learning or just cause undue grief to one who did not know?

The tone of my original post was meant not to disrespect the benefits of knowledge but to momentarily put the shoe on the other foot and by example point out how ignorant those mentioned can come off to others. I am quite positive that I sounded completely and utterly like a jerk above, and this was by design, not through ignorance. Do unto others, if you will.

I believe that your own method, simply not answering the extraneous postings, while not putting a stop to them, is a nobler and kinder way to deal with it than what I have encountered in my brief forays on these particular boards. I won't deny that it can be very frustrating to sift through the mire that may develop here, however it is wholly wrong to treat people like dirt because they do not understand.

Perhaps there is an alternative. What if there were a set of rules posted to be read and signed as part of the enrollment process? Then, once having agreed to the site ettiquette, one would be fairly warned and have nothing to complain about should their inappropriate posts simply vanish ..... without excessive rude comment. Far less chance of injured feelings and frustrations one both sides.
 
i personally dont like how some threads just become locked. like

"Hey, how do I do this or this?"

-Closed-

Some people just dont enjoy searching and finding old threads on past subjects that aren't "tuned" for their problem specifically. Yes, it can be helpful most of the time to search, but what is this, a community forum or a learnatoruim archive?
 
Seems it's a bit of both. The major problem leading to the snarky comeback syndrome, I believe, is twofold. Firstly, there are a large contingent of users who do not take the time to search before asking. This is justifiably frustrating to those who have answered the question a dozen times. Secondly, GT4 is HUGE!! The variables are endless if one wishes delve into them.What, 400+ cars x 200+ individual settings for each multiplied by the personal preference algorithm.... it's more permutations than a game of chess for God's sake!!! Of course there are going to be duplicate questions. Can't be helped.

Yeah, it's a ***** to see the same question over and over. Ignore it or help the poor sap who didn't search first.

Yeah it's a ***** to get your thread locked without warning. Probaly means your answer can be found here somewhere, so search.

Original point of my rant...... Let's all be NICE about it.
 
This thread would have been better served in the Site Feedback forum... lol. "LOCKED!!!" lol... It has nothing to do with tuning cars... Fact of the matter is, not everybody responds in a negative way to posts that have been answered a few dozen times... A lot of people offer links to the proper threads, so please don't be discouraged... I suggest that you grow a thicker skin and simply understand that many of the people here a kids as well... Who not unlike that kids screaming for ice cream, are looking for attention as well... You could also try to PM those that you finds are big meanies and ask them to quit it... good luck though... :sly:

P.S. Stop spamming the site...

P.P.S Do you have a car problem?

P.P.P.S Have a nice day...
 
True, true. Wrong forum. I apologize, however it was herethat I got aggravated with the nasty responses. Had a bit of a moment and posted my opinion.

My skin is plenty thick, thank you. I was playing advocate to those whose may not be.

Not spamming the site.

Need no help with cars. I rule GT-1,2,3 and 4. All mine beat all yours. :dopey:

You have a nice day too. And tomorrow.

I've said my piece. I just hope it was heard. Locks away! :)
 
DarkKni9hT
True, true. Wrong forum. I apologize, however it was herethat I got aggravated with the nasty responses. Had a bit of a moment and posted my opinion.

My skin is plenty thick, thank you. I was playing advocate to those whose may not be.

Not spamming the site.

Need no help with cars. I rule GT-1,2,3 and 4. All mine beat all yours. :dopey:

You have a nice day too. And tomorrow.

I've said my piece. I just hope it was heard. Locks away! :)
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LOL...Later man... the only reason your tunes rock are cause they're mine!!! :sly: :lol:
 
DarkKni9hT
What the Hell is it with people on these boards that feel it is OK to post replies that are nothing but rude, pricky remarks about how useless others are at properly posting or asking for info? Do you all think you are better than the rest of the guys and girls who like GT just as much as you but perhaps are not so used to spending their entire, pathetic lives in message boards that they know all the little nuances of posting and searching?
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Here's your answer. This quote is copied, verbatim, from a user's first post on this board:
Viper Racer 483
im new to the tuning part of the game..i was one of those people who just slaps a stage four turbo on and was ready to do but i found out that there is more and im hoping to learn as much as i can...so i was wonderin if any of you could give me some general advice or anything on those grounds...sorry if there are posts like this all around...im too lazy to look around...if you can help i will appreciate it alot thanks
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This is somewhat more honest than most, but by no means uncommon in any way. Now, imagine you see posts like this every day (or, posts just like it, except the users won't even admit their own laziness). Now, imagine you've been here a year or two.

Think you wouldn't get a little cranky?

I've seen multiple threads, posted within an hour of each other, on exactly the same topic. They sit within an inch of each other on the forum index, yet the people can't or won't look past the end of their own noses.

Think you wouldn't lose a little patience?

Granted, some of the people doing the "correcting" are little better than the people they are criticizing. But with 50,000 members, there's just not time to take each person by the hand and gently lead them to the proper way. There are clues all around... if you spend the least amount of time thinking.
sicbeing
i personally dont like how some threads just become locked.

Some people just dont enjoy searching and finding old threads on past subjects that aren't "tuned" for their problem specifically.
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Yet you expect us to enjoy spending our time answering repeat questions many times over, most of which can be found quickly but may take a long time to answer.
 
sukerkin: you are too cool
Duke: you rule
Zardoz:...?
CanadianSpeed: You're cool too
Dark Kni9hT: wanna race?
 
Hey, I'm just saying that the subject of his original post is this forum. Where else should it be posted? Its not like I agree with him or anything. Some of the things you see posted here deserve a no-comment lock, that's for sure...
 
Zardoz
Hey, I'm just saying that the subject of his original post is this forum. Where else should it be posted? Its not like I agree with him or anything. Some of the things you see posted here deserve a no-comment lock, that's for sure...
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There are opinion forums here at GT Planet, I will agree about the lock but this thread belongs in the feedback forum. Anyone who feels a need for any other kinds of tunes might best be served by looking there...wait, here, I'll legitimize this thread:
In the presence of offensive or uncomfortable posts it is best to set asm to 0. That should cure just about anything :)
 
@RK - Thank you,kind sir; :blushes:

@General_Readership, as to DK's thoughts, they are not entirely without merit; the man has a reasoning head on his shoulders and so deserved a reasonable answer (which I hope I gave).

In a perfect world a more gentle-handed approach would be better. However, as Duke so rightly points out, the Planet is a seething mass of members and as such, sad to say, there is simply no humanly possible way to moderate the forums without a little ruthlessness.
 
rk
sukerkin: you are too cool
Duke: you rule
Zardoz:...?
CanadianSpeed: You're cool too
Dark Kni9hT: wanna race?
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Any time RK! I am da Road Warrior and cannot be beaten!!! Sometimes the Ai drivers in the game pit in and just stay there crying. :cool:

Need to get my new PS2 online compatible though. AH'll be BACK!!
 
To all who gave my little hissy fit the time of day, thanx for dropping by. My goal was to get some people thinking, and it appears I did just that.

I know it's maddening to the Nth degree, but if we stay nice, we win. Let'em post, just don't answer.
 

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