I Found The Secret To Dfp Drifting

MasterDriver

MasterDriver

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Whats up everyone, Let me just give everyone some background on myself. I've been with the GT Series since the very first one and was a hardcore car enthusiast, I've since settled down and am concentrating on a career rather then "pimping out my ride."

I Started drifting often during GT3 for about 2 years, and with the Release of GT4(in my opinion, below my expectations), i couldnt wait to drift with the beefed up physics engine. Well I used to drift DS in GT3 all the time and was very good at it, once i got my hands on the 900deg gt4 wheel and the game, i thought i'd went to heaven. Well let me just tell you Drifting in gt4 is like apples and oranges to gt3, however i'm persistent and eventhough i'd get dissapointed seeing as how I almost mastered the drift in gt3 and could barley get it sideways in gt4, I kept at it and remember this time its with the Wheel so its a whole new ball game.

Besides Practicing in the arts of drifting i'd really like to point out to all the people that have been as frustrated as I have been, Please Take off the LSD guys, You'll understand what i mean once its off and your suspension is right. For months I couldnt get consistent drifts, and just tonight I finally got it, the LSD is a really big problem as far as letting the wheels spin and preventing you from moving your momentum forward. Try it out and give it some thought it really makes perfect sense, but you'll see that yoru drifts are wayyy more consistent w/o LSD and the car is much more stable.

I also Recommend bringing the wheel down one knotch in Force Feedback, basically enabling "Power Steering", DO this by: SELECT + R3 + LEFT PADDLE

I've also learned that turning a wheel 900degs and pressing the left stick on a controller is entirely differnt and most of you guys that rip it up on the controller have another thing coming when u put your hands on a wheel.

For anyone seeking more Get a Wheel and a 900deg one at that, the skill involved with proper throttle control and braking is insane compared to a controller.
 
Oh yea another secret is Listen to the Initial D SOundTracks and get into a rythem as you drift its very helpful hearing consisten beats as your sideways.. :) AIM me if you wnat me to hook it up with some songs :) GoodLuck Drifting everyone
 
standard235
Umm. How about practice..

No tricks or anything dude. JUST PRACTICE.
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If You have practiced on weight transfer for quite some time and still cant get it, TRY taking off the LSD it makes a world of difference
 
Once you get the technique down properly, it shouldn't matter what kind of LSD/tuning the car has.

I can drift my stock Supra just as good as my drift tuned Miata and Amuse S2000.
 
actually lsd is usefull in keeping both wheels spining while in a drift.
since i cant tune a lsd properly, i install a 2way lsd.
lsd's help me tons.
so i know it isnt the secret to drifting with dfp.
the secret is...pratice... it really is.
different strokes for different folks i guess.
 
Suzuki
actually lsd is usefull in keeping both wheels spining while in a drift.
since i cant tune a lsd properly, i install a 2way lsd.
lsd's help me tons.
so i know it isnt the secret to drifting with dfp.
the secret is...pratice... it really is.
different strokes for different folks i guess.
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i agree different strokes ect.. But w/o lsd I'm positive its more stable, this is very dependent on if the suspension is set up properly
 
slo-car
Once you get the technique down properly, it shouldn't matter what kind of LSD/tuning the car has.

I can drift my stock Supra just as good as my drift tuned Miata and Amuse S2000.
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Do you use a wheel or a controller?? and if you use a wheel can i see some footage? i'd like to see some good wheel drifters i'm beyond the controller thing. :0
 
lol masterdriver....use the edit button XD

i just got my dfp a few weeks ago and hav finally got the hang of drifting with it ...i got a replay saved of me doing ok on tsukaba with the d1 fc(all aids turned off...besides that everything stock!)

1 question...HOW DO YOU TURN ON THE WHEEL DISPLAY ON REPLAY?

i no how to do it when im driving...i just dont no how to turn it on when im watching the replays...once i know that..i'll post up my vid asap
 
go to options and turn on steering display.
then during replay, hit square untill you can see g meter,speed,rpm,gear,etc and it should be there.
 
haha oh man I find a setting of min. initial torque, stock accel. and 15 decel. is a good baseline when tuning the lsd. Only thing is that this setup understeers if you don't initiate a drift and are still on throttle. =)
 
Suzuki
since i cant tune a lsd properly, i install a 2way lsd.
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Word to the 2-Way. I normally buy both the Fully Customizable and the 2-Way simply because if the car isn't powerful enough [initially] and I need more torque, I'll tune the LSD to a higher Initial torque setting, aswell as tune it for Brake-Entry drifts (Decel.). Otherwise I just use a 2-Way and most my cars work just fine with it.

< Vin >
 
MasterDriver
Besides Practicing in the arts of drifting i'd really like to point out to all the people that have been as frustrated as I have been, Please Take off the LSD guys, You'll understand what i mean once its off and your suspension is right. For months I couldnt get consistent drifts, and just tonight I finally got it, the LSD is a really big problem as far as letting the wheels spin and preventing you from moving your momentum forward. Try it out and give it some thought it really makes perfect sense, but you'll see that yoru drifts are wayyy more consistent w/o LSD and the car is much more stable.

I also Recommend bringing the wheel down one knotch in Force Feedback, basically enabling "Power Steering", DO this by: SELECT + R3 + LEFT PADDLE

I've also learned that turning a wheel 900degs and pressing the left stick on a controller is entirely differnt and most of you guys that rip it up on the controller have another thing coming when u put your hands on a wheel.

For anyone seeking more Get a Wheel and a 900deg one at that, the skill involved with proper throttle control and braking is insane compared to a controller.
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Well your secret weapon is the opposite of my secret weapon. I find (like in real life) that I love LSD. The tighter the better as far as I'm concerned. It's just your driving style. And I can tell that you have a hard time with the overcorrection problem because likely the reason you're so good w/o an LSD is because you're "peg legging". Which creates mad understeer and will straiten you out w/o the need for correction. Not a good thing for drifting.

To understand why this is go read my (long) post in this thread. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=66142

Also the DFP is very difficult to get the feel for in this game. Try keeping constant preasure on the wheel in the direction of the turn instead of letting the wheel balance itself like you'd think to do.(this just creates the snap overcorrection) Then you will see why you need LSD. Also why you need force feedback. For drifting, you really need to have the feel. Otherwise go ahead and reduce the strength if you want to.

On a side note: I came up with the radical, "no LSD" idea before I had the "feel" for it. And ultimately, it didn't work out. I finally found this site and got inspired to find the "feel" and that's when I learned how important LSD really is in this game. Once you've got the feel down, you can't hold long drifts w/o one.
 
Ironically, I am a DFP drifter, and the first thing I do to a car is put N2 tires on it, see what it needs, and then try to fix it with a Full Customize LSD.

Now, I prefer drifting old cars, which will tend to spin one tire, a.k.a. peg leg.

So LSD is kind of needed...but its very fun...not like that damn Z06...
 
LSD is crucial for me when drifting. If I turned it off, I'd probably go all over the place (since I'm still a noob). LSD helps me stay in control and helps me maintain angle and speed most of the time, though when I accidentally tune it wrong, I get craploads of understeed XÞ
 
I tried it's good for some cars, on some cars I need LSD.. I am a wheel drifter to ;) I have driving force with the playseat (the Sparco look a like seat). Controler drifters, get a wheel, you will **** your pants fromt he difference. It's harder, I can't drift with the controler though, tried some hours but still crappy. Respect for controler drifters lol :D
 
I found controller easier to drift with, but I was using the D-pad, and I guess fighting games gave me lots of left right left right tapping speed.

But the control and consistency of the DFP is not something I would trade away, and figuring out how to drift with it is far more satisfying, to me anyways.
 
im glad this topic was made i wanted to know if some of the cars in gt4 come with a stock lsd as they do in real life ie 300zx comes with a viscous type
 
I don't really get how the LSD helps in drifting and yes I know where the forum on how the LSD helps in drifting.
I use the wheel and drift fine full customization all the time. i like full power drifting. and as for the LSD I just set all the number things to 50 and that's it.

But i don't realy know any thing about tuning I think the worst setup I have is on the RX7 fd.

spring rate is at its max and the shocks are at the max, but man it's fun to drive with the DFP.
 
rsmithdrift
To understand why this is go read my (long) post in this thread. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=66142
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Thanks a lotter, VERY useful information. Gotta go home and try this out.

If I understand all that correctly, then the differentials of the Mitsubishi EVO and the BMW M3/M3 CSL are probably not being simulated correctly in GT4, huh? Too bad. Because IRL the most interesting feature of the EVO is that he's able to send more torque to the outside wheels when accelerating in a turn. And the bavarian meat wagon has a differential with the abilty to send a 100% of the torque to only one wheel, i think (for all those "ice-patch-under-left-wheel,-dry-asphalt-under-right-wheel" situations).
 

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