MT Gear Change - Acceleration

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Hey,

Okay my question is this:

What is the fastest way to accelerate using a manual transmission?

At the current stage i've been changing the gears a split second before you hit the rev metre which knocks your speed back a tad. Its just i'm trying to get all gold on my licence tests and notice that the computer/gold demonstration tests actually change gears well before the rev-limit.

Sorry if this has already been searched before, but frankly typing in gear change or acceleration brings up so many forum topics...
 
if you use manual, you should try to make your car revving at the optimum rpm, some people using optimum tourqe, I use optimum hp.

for car that has hp curve like this


I try to keep the car revving at 5000 to 7000 rpm.
The GT2 power curve seem reliable enough, not like at GT4 (300mph attempt), where I have to use engine sound and speedo movement as base.
 
no, you shift at 7000 rpm if the rpm become 5000 rpm after you shift.
so, if the engine rev become 1000 rpm lower after shifting, you need to shift at 6500 rpm.
if the engine rev become 3000 rpm lower after shifting, you need to shift at 7500 rpm.
to calculate how much the rpm change after gearing, try some gear calculator
 
When to shift totally depends on which car you're driving. Many muscle cars (GTO, Plymouth Superbird, Dodge Charger) for instance have peak horsepower which tops off a thousand rpm or more before the redline! After this, power drops like a lemming off a cliff. If you let the engine rev all the way to redline, you will find your car actually losing speed (go try it) wheras if you shift earlier, you can actually watch your speed double & triple in comparison.

On the other hand, you take a car like an Integra or NSX, and you're gonna want to keep those revs high most of the time, because that is where peak torque and horsepower lie. Try and power out of a tight corner in 3rd gear? It ain't gonna happen as quickly because your engine will ‘bog down’. Agonizing.

The best way to learn about this is to look at the nifty power-graph (which they got rid of in GT3 Grrrrrrrrrrr). See the blue line? That's your torque-band. In the graph that Sucahyo has provided, torque kicks in very early (2,000ish rpms). This means you'll have lots of twist-force from the engine early. If your car is geared a certain way and you hit the throttle correctly, you can take advantage of this.

But with higher and higher power, most of that torque will turn into wheelspin--especially in front-drive or FR cars, which means lost acceleration and lots of smoke. Not good unless you're trying to impress a cyber-chick. :)

Now see the orange line? That's your horsepower. That's the optimum area for your engine's speed (where it's going to be spinning the fastest in the least time). ONce you're actually out of first or second gear, the idea is to keep your revs somehwere up near this peak...this is what keeps you going fast. Some cars will have usuable horsepower beyond this peak (Silvias come to mind) whereas others will slow or even hit an invisible “wall” and won't be able to cruise any faster.

So are you supposed to shift just before the rev-limiter knocks you back? I don't know. Look at your power graph. If the orange line is up near or past your redline, the answer is yes. If the peak power is located significantly below the redline the answer is no.
 
The following is quite a large post, but well worth the read.

Its a piece by Ed Lansinger (GM Powertrain Engineer) and a conclusion, both can also be found in the second of my GT Tuning guides.

Have a read and digest it, in most (but not all cases) you are better to shift near or at the red line, principally due to the multiplying effect the drivetrain has on engine torque. Which means in many cases even if you are developing less engine torque in a lower gear, you may well still be delivering more torque to the driven wheels.


First, a clarification: torque is no more real than power. The DOHC puts out 133 ft-lb of ground-pounding torque, but I've seen some older Neons that are leaking torque and you have to avoid driving behind them because the torque, once leaked, is slippery. Don't bother picking it up and adding it to your engine as it degrades quickly and will take you out of Stock class. Consider torque and power as concepts used to describe how things interact to produce movement and how "energy" (another concept) is transferred.



Both torque and power can be observed "directly". Think of slowing a free-spinning tire with your hand. Feel the tug on your palm and the tension in your arm? That's a measure of torque, the torque the tire experiences as a result of your palm slowing it down. Feel the heat build up from friction? That's a measure of power.

Incidentally, water brake dynamometers get a direct measurement of power by measuring the increase in the temperature of water flowing past a propeller spun by the engine under test. You can solve for torque if you know engine RPM.

Maximum Acceleration vs Torque
I'd like to think that torque is an intuitively easier concept to understand. If that were true, though, then more people would understand the relationship between torque, horsepower, and vehicle acceleration. In reality, none of it is intuitive. If it were, Newton wouldn't be considered the Really Great Guy that he is.

The classic mistake is to conclude that the fastest way down, let's say, a 1/4 mile drag strip is to keep the engine RPM at the torque peak (or as close as possible). The technique is usually stated as "shift just after the torque peak", or "shift N RPM above the torque peak so you are N RPM below the torque peak in the next gear when you finish the shift".

Unfortunately, *engine* torque does not tell you the full story. What matters is the torque *delivered to the tires*, including the effects of the transmission. We all know a car does not accelerate as hard in second gear at peak torque RPM as it does in first gear. The transmission amplifies or multiplies the torque coming from the engine by a factor equal to the gear ratio. So to determine how much the car is accelerating at a particular instant, you have to know both the torque output of the engine as well as the gear ratio.

To figure out your shift points knowing only torque, generate tables of transmission output torque vs. RPM for each gear. To get transmission output torque, multiply the engine torque by the gear ratio. You are simply comparing gear to gear, so the final drive ratio can be ignored. You may also need to know the relationship between RPM in one gear and RPM in another gear (which is RPM * (gear2ratio/gear1ratio) at any particular vehicle speed.) Then it's easy to see what shift points to choose to maximize your transmission output torque at all times.

Here's an example for the 1999 Neon DOHC engine with a five-speed manual transmission. Before you flame, understand that I do not have an accurate torque curve for this motor. I'm estimating visually from the curve printed in the 1999 brochure, which is seriously flawed (it makes a lot more sense if the torque curve is shifted to the right 1000 RPM). I get:

Engine Transmission output torque (ft-lb):
1st Gear
(3.54) 2nd Gear
(2.13) 3rd Gear
(1.36) 4th Gear
(1.03) 5th Gear
(0.72)
RPM Torque (ft-lb)
1,000 50 177 107 68 52 36
1,500 65 230 138 88 67 47
2,000 80 283 170 109 82 58
2,500 92 326 196 125 95 66
3,000 104 368 222 141 107 75
3,500 114 404 243 155 117 82
4,000 120 425 256 163 124 86
4,500 125 443 266 170 129 90
5,000 130 460 277 177 134 94
5,500 133 471 283 181 137 96
6,000 130 460 277 177 134 94
6,500 122 432 260 166 126 88
7,000 110 389 234 150 113 79

(note: peak torque is at 5500 RPM, peak horsepower is at 6500 RPM)


Without graphing, there's something immediately apparent: in any gear, at 7000 RPM, the transmission torque output is always higher than at any RPM in the next gear up. What this means is, for this car:

* Shift at the redline, not at the torque peak!

Walk through an example. You're hammering down the track in 1st gear. Engine RPM is 6000, just past the engine's torque peak. Do you shift? Well, if you do, the engine will be pulled down to 3600 RPM, and 2nd gear will send 246 ft-lb of torque to the wheels (actually, to the differential first, which amplifies the torque by a constant factor and sends it to the wheels). Don't you think it would be better to hold it in first gear? Torque is dropping off, but it's still 389 ft-lb at 7000 RPM, right before the 7200 RPM redline. So, for this powertrain, first gear is *always* the best deal for acceleration, at any speed, except that you can't accelerate past the redline.

The 1-2 shift at 7200 RPM pulls the engine down to 4400 RPM, where 2nd will deliver 265 ft-lb of torque. Not only did you win by maintaining the high torque of 1st all the way to 7200 RPM, you are now better off in second gear.

Same thing goes for the 2-3 shift. 2nd gear output torque at the redline is still greater than 3rd gear output torque at any engine speed, so you wind her out as far as she'll go before you shift to 3rd. Same for the 3-4, same for the 4-5.
But, you ask, isn't your acceleration greatest at the torque peak? Yes, it is! But only within that gear. The next gear down will give you even greater acceleration at the same speed, unless the vehicle speed is too high for that gear.

To use engine torque to understand how your car performs, you MUST include the effects of the transmission.


Maximum Acceleration Vs. Power
OK, so what about power? As has been noted by a previous contributor, Power (hp) = Torque (ft-lb) * RPM / 5252. Note that power is also force * velocity, specifically:

Power (hp) = Force (lb) * Velocity (MPH) / 374

That's net horsepower, which is engine power minus losses like transmission and tire friction. The force is the sum of the longitudinal forces at the contact patches of the two driven tires.

Hmmm... P = F * V ...rearrange to get F = P / V ...

that means that you get the maximum force pushing the car if you maximize your *Power* at any given velocity. This gives us another useful rule:

* Shift to maximize engine POWER, not engine torque!
This is *exactly* the same as saying "shift to maximize transmission output torque". But it's a little easier to apply. Here's how.

Using the torque information above, I get the following power curve:

RPM HP
1000 10
1500 19
2000 30
2500 44
3000 59
3500 76
4000 91
4500 107
5000 124
5500 139 (peak torque)
6000 149
6500 151 (peak power)
7000 147

The tires don't see quite these numbers due to [friction and aerodynamic] losses, but I'm going to assume that the losses are comparable from gear to gear and that the overall shape of the power curve remains the same.

Applying the maximum power rule, we'd like to race down the 1/4 mile with the engine always as close to 6500 RPM as possible. If we had a continuously variable transmission, the lowest E.T. would be achieved by keeping the engine dead on 6500 RPM. 5500 is not the best; at any vehicle speed, the engine would put out more torque but the transmission will have a less advantageous gear ratio, so you get a net loss of force to the tires. Apply P = F * V or P = T * RPM to prove this.

Since the Neon doesn't have a CVT, we have to shift. The shift points are pretty easy to determine. In fact, you don't really need to know anything about the gear ratios of the different gears, which is why power is sometimes easier to understand than torque.

I'm going to assume that the DOHC puts out at least 145 horsepower at the redline (7200 RPM). Shifting at the redline in each gear should drag the engine down as follows:


shift RPM drop Horsepower change

- ----- ---------- ------------------
1->2 7200->4700 145->114
2->3 7200->4600 145->110
3->4 7200->5500 145->139
4->5 7200->5000 145->124

(I derived this, but all you really need to do is drive the car, shift, and find out where the motor lands)

Note - and this is important - the transmission does not amplify power.

Power in = power out, minus losses
(which are low for a manual transmission).

This is predicted by the law of conservation of energy.

Is 7200 the correct shift point? It would *not* be the correct shift point if the engine was making more power in the new gear than the old gear. That would mean that you should have shifted earlier. But in this case, the power output at redline is always greater than the power output after the shift. So it's the best performance you can get.

A more rigorous way of doing this is to graph horsepower vs. velocity in each of the gears. If power in one gear drops below the horsepower of the next gear at a particular MPH, then that MPH is where you should shift, otherwise shift at the redline.

I leave as an exercise for the reader the following: predicting shift points based on engine torque, RPM, and gear ratio gives the same results as predicting shift points based on power and vehicle velocity.


Exceptions
There are no exceptions; a car running at its (net) power peak can accelerate no harder at that same vehicle speed. There is no better gear to choose, even if another gear would place the engine closer to its torque peak. You'll find that a car running at peak power at a given vehicle speed is delivering the maximum possible torque to the tires (although the engine may not be spinning at its torque peak). This derives immediately from first principles in physics.

However, note the following: - Transmission losses are not shown on engine power curves. The net power curve (power delivered to the ground) may have a different shape or even a different peak RPM as a result. This would result in different shift point. Best results are obtained from a power curve measured by a chassis dynamometer. - The discussion above assumes negligible tire slip. If you exceed the maximum traction available from the tires, then additional power doesn't help. That's why it's sometimes no loss at all to shift early when the tires break loose, and in fact it can be a benefit.



More exceptions: another view (by Maciek S. Kontakt)
Yes, there are exceptions. The Neon engine is not a responsive engine as its band is very narrow. The band is between peak torque and peak power and it is only 1000rpm. This engine is designed with focus on speed and not on acceleration as much. Peak power will tell only how fast you can go because beyond peak power there is almost no acceleration and that is your top speed deteremination on a particular gear.

In addition to that there are very responsive engines like BMW 3 series (not M3) that actually you shift to keep peak torque between points of shift and if you want to accelerate faster you are not supposed to reach peak power (proven on my own BMW of that type). If you have engine with wide band your explanation may not hold true. YOU WILL FIND many points where torque on higher gear would be higher that you were at lower gear only at high rpms. That depends of course how close are gearing ratios put into transmission.

Optimization for speed and optimization for acceleration are very different. It is even not true what is said by many authoritative sources (books written by racers) that you upshift at point where torque value would be lower than on higher gear. It is more complex that that and you have to refer to gain of speed on both gears if you changed rpms (accelerated). That is because torque curve is not flat and it can be differently "sloped" on ascending and descanding parts. The field (space) under that curve is more relevant to the shift points than values on particular points of the curve. That's pure mathematics and physics which takes... classes at university and does not take track time in a race car. Ask engineers rather than technicians or racers.

By the way, the main principle of physics is: to accelerate there is unbalanced force required (in some places in this world you will not graduated from high school if you at least do not memorize that). Torque represents force. Power is derived from torque and it represents force causing motion. No motion - no power. Initial cause of power is force. Power on the combustion engine diagrams past peak torque grows only because rpms grow (power is direct multiplication of torque and rpms). Once torque of engine falls sharply, rpms growth cannot overcome that and power will also fall. Simple as that. F1 and Indy bolids are build for top speed on long straights. That is why their engine designers struggle for high rpms to achieve high peak power (and power past that point a bit). They accelerate well too but that is not neccesarily primary goal. When there is acceleration required there will be less stress on peak power (read rpms), but on force that is torque curve shape.... given you do not need to accelerate to very high speeds because for example your road/track is full of tight bends rather than straights. Supercharged units have torque almost entirely flat so you again may want to shift at the end of any curve (power or torque), but that's another example justified.




To the Point
Torque and power are (almost) flip sides of the same coin. Increasing the torque of an engine at a particular RPM is the same as increasing the power output at the same RPM.

Power is just as useful and relevant in determining vehicle performance as is torque. In some situations it's more useful, because you may not have to play with gear ratios and a calculator to understand what's going on.

A car accelerates hardest with gearing selected to stay as close as possible to the engine *power* peak, subject to the traction capability of the tires.

Not all cars should be shifted at the redline for maximum performance. But it's true for many cars. You can determine optimal shift points by graphing horsepower vs. velocity or transmission torque vs. RPM. Engine torque alone will not determine shift points.


For a lot more info on this have a read of the second of my GT tuning guides (link in my sig).

Regards

Scaff
 
To boil it down into one sentence: Torque is what gets you going. Horsepower is what KEEPS you going!
 
New information for me :).

Previously, I decide which rpm have the most pull is by running car at high gear and see which rpm change the speed most.

Now I think I should start from standstill with high gear and see which rpm change the speed most.

I begin to think that GT2 power figure is unreliable too..........
I think I will do some experiment for this
 
sucahyo
New information for me :).

Previously, I decide which rpm have the most pull is by running car at high gear and see which rpm change the speed most.

Now I think I should start from standstill with high gear and see which rpm change the speed most.

I begin to think that GT2 power figure is unreliable too..........
I think I will do some experiment for this

I don't think your method is necessarily wrong, you just rely on calculations more than I do. I tend to quickly look at the power-graph before I drive, and then as I'm driving I'll look at where the rpms and speed are going fastest in the least amount of time...usually it corresponds to what is on the graph, tho in GT2 there are occasional mistakes. I also tend to rely on listening to the engine's revs once I know when to shift.
 
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Parnelli Bone
I don't think your method is necessarily wrong, you just rely on calculations more than i do. I tend to quickly look at the power-graph before i drive, and then as i'm driving i'll look at where the rpms and speed are going fastest in the least amount of time...usually it corresponds to what is on the graph, tho in GT2 there are occasional mistakes. I also tend to rely on listening to the engine's revs once i know when to shift.
I see. I listen to engine rev too :).

But now I am a bit confuse, I do some test on supra rz, it has the fastest speed change at low rpm, but when I make the AI shift at that rpm range, it is slower (at 1000m and grindelwald). speed change seems related to the car tourqe

can I calculate power from speed increase time?
is this correct enough ? I divide the last part with number that make it equal to the supra max power, I must use improper unit, but don't know where
Code:
supra rz
    mph    time    rpm     dt      a=dv/dt m(lb)   F=ma    P=F.V/4800
       0   1.066     600
      10   2.202    1000   1.136   8.803    3328   29296      61
      20   4.782    1100   2.580   3.876    3328   12899      54
      30   7.415    1400   2.633   3.798    3328   12640      79
      40   9.169    1800   1.754   5.701    3328   18974     158
      50  10.941    2300   1.772   5.643    3328   18781     196
      60    12.8    2700   1.859   5.379    3328   17902     224
      70  14.778    3200   1.978   5.056    3328   16825     245
      80  16.739    3600   1.961   5.099    3328   16971     283
      90  18.735    4000   1.996   5.010    3328   16673     313
     100  20.868    4500   2.133   4.688    3328   15602     325
     110  23.243    4900   2.375   4.211    3328   14013     321
     120   25.91    5400   2.667   3.750    3328   12478     312
     130  28.971    5800   3.061   3.267    3328   10872     294
     140  32.705    6300   3.734   2.678    3328    8913     260
according to this, max power is at 4500 rpm
 
sucahyo
I see. I listen to engine rev too :).

But now I am a bit confuse, I do some test on supra rz, it has the fastest speed change at low rpm, but when I make the AI shift at that rpm range, it is slower (at 1000m and grindelwald). speed change seems related to the car tourqe

can I calculate power from speed increase time?
is this correct enough ? I divide the last part with number that make it equal to the supra max power, I must use improper unit, but don't know where
Code:
supra rz
    mph    time    rpm     dt      a=dv/dt m(lb)   F=ma    P=F.V/4800
       0   1.066     600
      10   2.202    1000   1.136   8.803    3328   29296      61
      20   4.782    1100   2.580   3.876    3328   12899      54
      30   7.415    1400   2.633   3.798    3328   12640      79
      40   9.169    1800   1.754   5.701    3328   18974     158
      50  10.941    2300   1.772   5.643    3328   18781     196
      60    12.8    2700   1.859   5.379    3328   17902     224
      70  14.778    3200   1.978   5.056    3328   16825     245
      80  16.739    3600   1.961   5.099    3328   16971     283
      90  18.735    4000   1.996   5.010    3328   16673     313
     100  20.868    4500   2.133   4.688    3328   15602     325
     110  23.243    4900   2.375   4.211    3328   14013     321
     120   25.91    5400   2.667   3.750    3328   12478     312
     130  28.971    5800   3.061   3.267    3328   10872     294
     140  32.705    6300   3.734   2.678    3328    8913     260
according to this, max power is at 4500 rpm

Dude. I'm gonna have to sit down for awhile on this one...my brain is too fried!
 
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sutton.a
I wasn't aware that their was so much depth to my question :(

Bloody physics nerds lol

Ohwell, now i know.... kinda lol

Oh yeah...that's what happens when you get us techies started on a discussion on torque vs. power. I'm surprised more people haven't hopped on this thread!
 
May I just say the info in this thread is very helpful and not overly complex for lesser "physics nerds" to understand 👍.
 
live4speed
May I just say the info in this thread is very helpful and not overly complex for lesser "physics nerds" to understand 👍.
Funnily enough, i do physics. Actually its not funny at all, its kinda sad :nervous:
 
sutton.a
Hey,

Okay my question is this:

What is the fastest way to accelerate using a manual transmission?

At the current stage i've been changing the gears a split second before you hit the rev metre which knocks your speed back a tad. Its just i'm trying to get all gold on my licence tests and notice that the computer/gold demonstration tests actually change gears well before the rev-limit.

Sorry if this has already been searched before, but frankly typing in gear change or acceleration brings up so many forum topics...

I'm famous for skimming questions. I just realized you were asking specifically about LICENSE TEST GEAR SHIFTS, not sim racing :dunce:

Well, the license tests are being driven (I am convinced) entirely with automatic transmissions. They always shift at the redline, if you'll notice. You can usually get a small advantage with manuals if you shift after the redline. Most of the cars in the license tests (Supra, /Skyline, S2000, etc) are cars in which you would be shifting at, near, or slightly beyond the redline, anyways...so you're on the right track.

Here's another way you can get an advantage in tests: Many times you should pay attention to your revs at the START of the test. If you sit there pushing your accelerator at max the way the demo often does, you'll just get wheelspin. Instead, try keeping your revs at the start lower and you'll get a better launch once you get the hang of it. :)
 
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A few comments...

Torque is proportional to how much work the engine does per revolution.

Horsepower is proportional to how much work the engine does per second.


Because we don't measure our racing performance by revolutions per lap, but rather by seconds per lap, it's pretty obvious that horsepower is king. Given the choice between running 4th gear with more torque, or 3rd gear with more horsepower, take 3rd gear.



In the absence of air resistance and other frictional effects, it is true that the maximum acceleration within a particular gear happens at the torque peak. But that's only within a particular gear. The fact that a particular car's maximum acceleration in 4th gear occurs at (for instance) 70 MPH is of only minor importance, because in most cases, that won't be the optimal gear for acceleration at that speed -- the car will probably (in most cases) accelerate faster in 3rd gear at 70 MPH that it will in 4th gear at 70 MPH.


A Suzuki GSX-R 600 motorcycle puts out less than 50 ft-lbs of torque across the entire RPM range, but because it revs so high and maintains decent torque all the way to redline, it has exceptional horsepower (for a 600cc engine) and is a really fast bike.

By comparison, a big 1400cc highway cruiser may have around 100 ft-lbs at a lower RPM but will typically not rev as high, nor will its torque curve stay strong at high RPMs.
 
^👍 great info, really interesting :).

This mean I have to test the acceleration from 0-10-20-30 mph in different gear too.

AI has an interesting method to reduce tire slip, and I can't figure out how the AI done it. Anyone can help ?

this is the video
it shows that on stock supra rz, the AI will full throttle at first. when the count down began it keep the rev just bellow the rev limiter, so the rev needle look constant.
when the car start launching it will rev high for a while and misteriously change the rev to lower range very quickly. Anyone can do this?
 
jbrennen
A few comments...

Torque is proportional to how much work the engine does per revolution.

Horsepower is proportional to how much work the engine does per second.


Because we don't measure our racing performance by revolutions per lap, but rather by seconds per lap, it's pretty obvious that horsepower is king. Given the choice between running 4th gear with more torque, or 3rd gear with more horsepower, take 3rd gear.



In the absence of air resistance and other frictional effects, it is true that the maximum acceleration within a particular gear happens at the torque peak. But that's only within a particular gear. The fact that a particular car's maximum acceleration in 4th gear occurs at (for instance) 70 MPH is of only minor importance, because in most cases, that won't be the optimal gear for acceleration at that speed -- the car will probably (in most cases) accelerate faster in 3rd gear at 70 MPH that it will in 4th gear at 70 MPH.


A Suzuki GSX-R 600 motorcycle puts out less than 50 ft-lbs of torque across the entire RPM range, but because it revs so high and maintains decent torque all the way to redline, it has exceptional horsepower (for a 600cc engine) and is a really fast bike.

By comparison, a big 1400cc highway cruiser may have around 100 ft-lbs at a lower RPM but will typically not rev as high, nor will its torque curve stay strong at high RPMs.

Ah, here it is! :) I love these discussions. Incidentally, I recently chose to race the World Cup in my TVR Griffith Blackpool. Although technically it's better to power out of corners in the lower gear (3rd as opposed to 4th) I noticed that when driving the TVR, my hands were full. I was concentrating so heavily on steering, countersteering, and braking / acceleration issues that shifting gears was the 3rd or 4th thing on my mind.

Thankfully, this is the one area a TVR engine excels at: lots of torque in a lightweight car! There were times during some races (particularly at Trial Mountain and Rome) in which I would be in 4th gear instead of 3rd when leaving a corner. Did it matter to my game? Hardly--all that twist from the engine get me going no matter what gear I was in it seemed! And I won the World Cup. Oh yeah. Slamdunk.
 
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Parnelli Bone
Most of the cars in the license tests (Supra, /Skyline, S2000, etc) are cars in which you would be shifting at, near, or slightly beyond the redline, anyways...so you're on the right track.

One notable exception is the Pennzoil Nismo car which is used in the S-4 tests at Midfield in both GT2 and GT3.

This car should be shifted well before redline. Try it and see.
 
jbrennen
One notable exception is the Pennzoil Nismo car which is used in the S-4 tests at Midfield in both GT2 and GT3.

This car should be shifted well before redline. Try it and see.

Thank you. And also, the Fiat Coupe in the 0-1000 meter brakes test must be maxed out on revs from the start. I tried it again and again while revving at a lower rpm and couldn't strike as good a launch as I could while letting the tach hit the rev-limit. :(
 
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sucahyo
^👍 great info, really interesting :).

This mean I have to test the acceleration from 0-10-20-30 mph in different gear too.

AI has an interesting method to reduce tire slip, and I can't figure out how the AI done it. Anyone can help ?

this is the video
it shows that on stock supra rz, the AI will full throttle at first. when the count down began it keep the rev just bellow the rev limiter, so the rev needle look constant.
when the car start launching it will rev high for a while and misteriously change the rev to lower range very quickly. Anyone can do this?

I'm not sure what is happening here, either. Seems a bit smarter than the average AI, huh? Perhaps the AI is trying to get better grip after the launch?
 
I use a Automatic in all the series, I have All Gold in everyone except for GT Concept Tokyo Seoul, I have to get gold in 3 Races there!
 
HYBRIDLVR
I use a Automatic in all the series, I have All Gold in everyone except for GT Concept Tokyo Seoul, I have to get gold in 3 Races there!

Yeah I use Auto as well. I'm going to start using manual in GT3.
 
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