Request: A forum for 200 point races

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Introduction
For quite a while (= months) I have actually been thinking of a more structured way of organising the information on obtaining max A spec points.

Hence my earlier thread in the programming section https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2312454&postcount=1

In Route_66's 200pt A-spec races thread I recently posted somewhat as a joke that it would be really nice to have a subforum similar to
the Missions and Licences forum. I believe I may even inadvertently played a minor role in getting that one established.
I had already gathered a lot of information and posted all ‘meaningful info’ in to one post but it was buried very deep
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=53827&page=39&highlight=official+mission see post 1534
A lot of that information I later copied and posted in the various Mission threads.

The mission thread was huge and it was quite tedious to find the real gem posts in that thread.

Some statistics:
1545 posts, 90765 visits. Started Jan 2005, ended Aug 2005, continued in Mission forum
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=53827&highlight=mission+hall

Thankfully Swift took that a step further and created the forum as we now know it.

Route_66 started off the 200 point thread 👍 and it is one that is visited regularly by a fair number of members and who knows how many guests.
Due to its popularity it has become so big that I believe we are facing the same challenge. Where are the good posts?

Granted, there is quite a lot of info to be found in the first posts and I thank all of those that have contributed to make that happen.

Current statistics on Route’s 200 point thread 1607 posts and 75375 visitors. Started in April 2005 and still running a strong!

It’s clearly one of the more popular threads within the GT4 section of GTP.

Ok after that lenghty introduction....

Question
this is what I have to ask of GTP owner / administrators / moderators.

Would you be willing to consider to create a subforum similar to the Mission & Licenses forum.
If so would you be willing to give current 200 A-spec posters some time to hash out a workable format.

Proposal
My proposal as to the look and feel of the subforum. (assuming the answer to be yes ;) )

Forum name: 200 point A spec races
Locked threads (but you can post in them) as in Missions & Licences forum to keep things tidy. Swift has added more threads to the forum as the need arose to do so. 👍

1 Beginner Events
2 Professional Events
3 Endurance Events
4 Extreme Events
5 Special Conditions
6 American Events
7 Japanese Events
8 European Events
9 One make Races – France & Germany (15 events)
10 One make Races – Italy, Korea, UK and USA (14 events)
11 One make Races – Japan (20 events)
12 General Discussion (previously called)Miscellaneous (e.g. Fam Cup, how do you wear out a car, Max points per event, tips and tricks to use in general)
13 A-Spec Point Data; Values, Races, and Modifications (thread by Wild Cobra Z28)
14 Stock car race comparison/challenge (thread by Hispeed)
15. 100.000 club (if route approves having his thread moved)
16. Gem Cars and their 200 pt potential

No 13 to be moved with Wild Cobra's support of course
No 14 might be of interest for this forum too if Hispeed agrees on a 'move' in which case I’d propose to change the forum name to :
200 point A spec races Stock and Tuned.

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Please (to all 200 A-spec 'nuts' like me :sly: ) feel free to contribute to this idea either by supporting the proposal and or the format my proposal.
I’m confident that with enough support and positive contributions we can make this happen. Looking forward to your thoughts (Owner/admins/moderators/members alike).
If it does happen (fingers crossed) I’ll be looking for help in getting the useful posts copied over in to the new forum.

AMG.
 
I support the idea. Just this week, a couple of members (including me) tried to look for a usefull hint or example of a 200-points race, but due to the clutter, couldn't find it. Simply going to "Endurance Events" in the subforum would've made it much easier for me.
 
All for it - I've long been a contributor/user of the 200 A-spec thread and it's sooo useful - but the longevity of it is making it unwieldy.
 
I agree, especially for newer A-spec'rs to get started. The Information is invaluable, and sadly, well hidden at times. I mean, there are approximately 80 pages or near enough to at the moment. Categories would help tremendously.
 
I think it's a brilliant idea.

While I haven't really used the 200pt thread, I am looking for some more challenging races in GT mode, so if the information is easy to access/find, I'd be aiming for a lot more A-spec points than I have now (~15k) :D
 
I too think it's a fantastic idea. The 200 point thread is the one I look at the most. and to categorise it would save a great deal of time when looking for or contributing to specific races. HATS OFF to AMG!!!!
nige
 
Excellent idea, I fully support it.

@AMG, you have clearly done your homework on the proposal, +rep! 👍

The proposed format is great, including point 14; lots of valuable 200-point information in that thread and it clearly would have a place, if hispeed would kindly concur.

I would like to suggest one more thread, not sure just what it would be called, but basically for discussion of cars that have 200 point potential in multiple venues. Well known examples would be the Suzuki GSX-R/4, Chaparral 2J, and of course the granddaddy of 200-point vehicles, the Dodge Ram. Here members could post about lesser known vehicles such as the '54 Corvette and Ruf 3400S and the undoubtedly several more that deserve mention. I think such a list would deserve to be in someplace other than the "miscellaneous" thread.

A suggestion was made in the 200-point races thread that race reports and pictures could be included in the proposed subforum as well, I disagree since we already have a Race Reports subforum.

Again, great idea, and I hope Jordan and the administrative team see fit to grant this request.
 
Why not just expand the missions and licenses forum to it, I don't think we need another sub forum for GT4, we already have 5. I do agree with the idea that there should be more than 1 thread covering such a big topic and I do appluad the thought you've given to the idea, but at this rate there will be more subforums than threads on the page and the mission hall and licenses sub forum isn't the most widely used one there, it's not got the most threads and the nature of new threads being opened only by a mod fit's into that sub forum.
 
BobK
Excellent idea, I fully support it.
@AMG, you have clearly done your homework on the proposal, +rep! 👍
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Thank you sir, twice!

BobK
The proposed format is great, including point 14; lots of valuable 200-point information in that thread and it clearly would have a place, if hispeed would kindly concur.
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I hope he does if this proposal is accepted.

BobK
I would like to suggest one more thread, not sure just what it would be called, but basically for discussion of cars that have 200 point potential in multiple venues. Well known examples would be the Suzuki GSX-R/4, Chaparral 2J, and of course the granddaddy of 200-point vehicles, the Dodge Ram. Here members could post about lesser known vehicles such as the '54 Corvette and Ruf 3400S and the undoubtedly several more that deserve mention. I think such a list would deserve to be in someplace other than the "miscellaneous" thread.
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Yeah that would work, alternatively we could capture that information in the 1st post in every thread. Downside to that is ownership would probably be with many.
How about Gem cars with 200 pt potential ?

BobK
A suggestion was made in the 200-point races thread that race reports and pictures could be included in the proposed subforum as well, I disagree since we already have a Race Reports subforum.
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Yes, I read that too. I agree with you though. I'd rather see (my) race reports in the appropriate forum and keep both forums clean. Poster can always put a link to a race report in their post where appropriate.

BobK
Again, great idea, and I hope Jordan and the administrative team see fit to grant this request.
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Wrt to using the Wiki, I thought about that too but my take on that is that the Wiki should just contain info as in a encyclopedia.
Discussions and questions are not really a Wiki thing.
Thx though to the member who brought that up (his name escapes me for now)

On top of that I'd love to contribute to the forum but leave Wiki editing to those that know how to do it. (Alas I'm not one of them)

Too bad there's no fingers crossed smiley, I would use it here.:sly:

Thx to all for your support so far and for those to follow. 👍

AMG.
* does silent prayer *
 
I'm in favour of most of this, and as I help hispeed to maintain the Stock car list, it'd be nice to see it included, as it has a tonne of useful info in it. However, I'd object to changing that thread's name. It's got a lot of views here too (in the top 40 most viewed GT4 threads on GT Planet) so it'd be a shame to have to rename it. If it's enclosed or linked to in a 200 point forum, then it becomes pretty obvious what it's about.

A quick personal question too AMG.....
Are you sitting with your camera waiting to take a picture of Delicate Arch, in Arches National Park, Utah in your profile picture? I was there just a couple of weeks ago and the landscape looks strangely familiar! ;)
 
I have another idea, perhaps rather than make a forum for it, how about someone in the know (ie, someone involved in the project) adds the info to the wiki?
 
I really like this idea. I am currently doing the Nürburgring 24hr race for 200 A-Spec points, and when I was doing my research I found it really difficult to get any information out of that thread.

I searched that thread for posts with Nurburgring and 24hr in them, and I still had pages of not so useful posts to wade through before I got any real information that I could use.

Great suggestion AMG.! 👍
 
AMG.
Yeah that would work, alternatively we could capture that information in the 1st post in every thread. Downside to that is ownership would probably be with many.
How about Gem cars with 200 pt potential?
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That's a good idea for a thread. There really are many cars with a couple of special attributes that just makes them work for 200-pointers, and in such a thread, each car could be discussed and dissected...

Discussions and questions are not really a Wiki thing.
Thx though to the member who brought that up (his name escapes me for now)
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That was me.
 
Smallhorses
I'm in favour of most of this, and as I help hispeed to maintain the Stock car list, it'd be nice to see it included, as it has a tonne of useful info in it. However, I'd object to changing that thread's name. It's got a lot of views here too (in the top 40 most viewed GT4 threads on GT Planet) so it'd be a shame to have to rename it. If it's enclosed or linked to in a 200 point forum, then it becomes pretty obvious what it's about.
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Thx for the support, I believe I said but maybe not clearly enough.
Assumption: GTP decides to approve and implement a (sub) forum
Name of Forum would be X
IF Hispeed agrees to move thread in to forum X I'd rename the forum X to forum X + stock as that would then reflect his thread too. No need to rename his thread, we'd only move it with permission.

Smallhorses
A quick personal question too AMG.....
Are you sitting with your camera waiting to take a picture of Delicate Arch, in Arches National Park, Utah in your profile picture? I was there just a couple of weeks ago and the landscape looks strangely familiar! ;)
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Well spotted ! And I did a Borg impression to ask the posers to please remove themselves from the Arch on both visits to allow the ProAm photographers a chance to photograph it in the correct light which only ever lasts for a fleeting moment. Thankfully they complied. Resistance is futile :sly:

live4speed
Why not just expand the missions and licenses forum to it.....
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Yep, good suggestion. My main point is to bring some kind of structure to the massive amount of information that this thread contains. Where it actually sits is of secondary importance.

ĝOoSe;2443707
I have another idea, perhaps rather than make a forum for it, how about someone in the know (ie, someone involved in the project) adds the info to the wiki?
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Thx for the idea but I'd much rather discuss 200 point races with other members, that's why I come back to GTP every day. The Wiki (in my opinion) states facts and it would put a strain on the person needing to maintain it. I'm not a guide editor and probably wont become one either **. Lets say member Y is no longer willing to update, for whatever reason, where would we find another one who is passionate enough to pick this up at a moment's notice.

I'm not saying don't add it to the Wiki, go for it. But I'd much prefer an organised discussion. That's the reason a forum like GTP exists.

The main reason why this thread is so popular is because of the discussion going on in it and the constant influx of members discovering this goal and trying to also go for it. In the same way you have Photomode members, Drifters, Stock racers, Report Writers etc etc.

New 200-point-members going for the same goals but struggling to find the info, other members (like me) still struggling but also helping out where we can and then there's the occasional very much appreciated visits from the 'old hands' that have completed it (or near enough).

Gingiba
That was me.
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Thx, I should have looked it up before posting. Mea Culpa.


** If the whole project does go ahead I certainly see myself playing an active role in gathering but mostly recapturing the useful information in the same way I did for the Missions hall. The help I would appreciate to get is for a number of current 200-point-posters to chip in. From the reactions I see in this thread I believe there will be quite a few willing to help out.

My (brainstorming here) thoughts on that would be for person A to read posts 1 - 100, person B to read 101 - 200 etc. Each person would capture the postnumbers that contain good info and PM them to me and I'd go and capture that info and post it in to each relevant thread. But hey I'm jumping the gun.

:)

AMG.
 
Sorry, my fault, I didn't read your first post carefully enough! :ouch: :dunce:

I'd be happy to help where possible, I have some information, (mainly on post-it notes :dopey: at the moment!) that I could easily share here, and I have plenty of experience helping to maintain the race list in hispeed's thread, so I'd be happy to help out with this too.
Sadly 2 of the more prominent members of the 200 point gathering brigade are no longer active here, namely route_66 and jdw, but most of their info is available in the 2 threads you've referred to.
 
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AMG, forgive me as I'm not completely clear as to what you plan on including in each of your proposed threads. The way I understand it now, your proposal is basically an attempt to use the forums in a way to store specific information in an easily accessible format, which can constantly be updated and changed by members of the community. That's pretty much the exact reason I created the Game Guides in their Wiki format, so they could expand indefinitely in a sorted, organized method while also allowing the community to collaborate on projects as a group. Forums are designed to allow discussions, but due to the nature of our site also hold a treasure trove of information. The more we can pull out into the open, the easier it will be for all of us to find the information we want (and not just us forum experts).
 
Jordan
AMG, forgive me as I'm not completely clear as to what you plan on including in each of your proposed threads. The way I understand it now, your proposal is basically an attempt to use the forums in a way to store specific information in an easily accessible format, which can constantly be updated and changed by members of the community. That's pretty much the exact reason I created the Game Guides in their Wiki format, so they could expand indefinitely in a sorted, organized method while also allowing the community to collaborate on projects as a group. Forums are designed to allow discussions, but due to the nature of our site also hold a treasure trove of information. The more we can pull out into the open, the easier it will be for all of us to find the information we want (and not just us forum experts).
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Thx for asking Jordan.

Route_66's thread contains a wealth of information but scattered throughout the thread. As we are all well aware reading through 1600 posts is no fun at all. That's the downside of a popular thread. I'm all for a healthy discussion and there are various ways in which our objective can be reached (winning 200 point races). Each participating member has a particular way in which to achieve this goal for each particular race.

There is no fixed way of reaching this goal, if there was the Wiki would make perfect sense. By creating the subforum as suggested in my earlier post we can still have this discussion and the information posted in there would be more specific to each Event and therefore easier to find.

(I sent Scaff and Daan an initial post that would capture the information as we find it. (I am assuming you've seen it). The initial '1st' post if I may call it that is not imperative to my request. It would be a nice to have as initial post.)

Those eleven proposed '200 point' threads would continue to grow as members post in them. The example I can give you that captures my thoughts best is the existing Mission & Licences forum.

A number of threads in that forum contain a post created by me that captured useful information (retrieved from the old thread). That information gives each visiting member seeking information a headstart on finding an answer to their question.
The Mission forum allows for a structured discussion on each Mission (keeping the information relevant to the thread) and at the same time allows a healthy discussion for members seeking or handing out advice.
It is also very clean as no threads can be added by members.

My main objective is to bring some structure in the multitude of discussions that are currently residing in one huge thread. My intention is not to create a Wiki within a forum.

The proposed initial posts would be similar to the one in hispeed's stock car challenge thread. Capture information in post 1 but have a healthy discussion in the other posts.'fact' thread with only 1 post in it that only captures facts. That would be the purpose for the Wiki.

I just hope that I've made my intentions clear(er).

I'd be happy to send you a PM with an example of a latest draft initial post.

AMG.
 
Some of the stuff in the proposed forum could and should be in the wiki. However many of the posts in the 200 point threads are questions and answers regarding specific races and specific cars, and generally useful advice that would be difficult to categorize in the wiki. AMG's comparison with the missions and licenses forum is a very good point.
 
RenesisEvo
All for it - I've long been a contributor/user of the 200 A-spec thread and it's sooo useful - but the longevity of it is making it unwieldy.
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My thoughts exactly; it's hard to sift through the entire thread, even by searching. The other problem with the thread is that you just have to pop up with a post that kind of drags down the flow of the thread. To separate "the thread" into different regions of the game would be much more helpful, while individual threads might make things more confusing if they took over the GT4 forum.

The only drawback to another GT4 subforum is that it may become another place for newbies to post unrelated GT questions, but with our capable and plentiful moderator staff, this should be no* trouble.



* (Unless GTP needs another moderator to handle this task...wink wink, nudge nudge...knowwhatimean!)
 
Is there any news on this prospective new forum from admin?
I fully support the work that AMG has put into it and will endorse the principle that it will help organise the already massive thread into manageable proportions.
The 200 A- Spec thread is clearly a well used thread containing a raft of info for a lot of GT gamers.
I believe that the proposed re-organising of posts will help us 200 pointers achieve what we set out to achieve.
Finally, this post will be for the BENEFIT of all.
Well done AMG. :) :)

Nige
 
Well said nige! I also think that as the new forum has the backing of hispeed for the movement of the CLUB 200 we've got a great beginning, and combined with some links to writeups of 200 point races in the race reports forum and route_66's 200 A-spec thread, and Famine's "Notes on Maximising A-spec points" we should have a semi-complete guide to begin with. By voluteering to arrange all the info in the 200 A-spec thread's 80-odd pages into something more easily referenced, like the stock car list, AMG. has taken on a lot of work, but I believe he's done a lot of work behind the scenes to get it ready to go, and all he'll need is permission to go ahead, and one of the site admins to create the forum for him.
As a Premium member, like myself, he's shown the long term commitment a project like this will need, the forum won't be created and abandoned like route_66's thread, which has only been kept alive by other interested members, not by the thread starter himself.

That's my 2 cents, hope we get some news soon. 👍
 
I agree with what the two above said, and Smallhorses, the endurance-companions by you and Famine could also help others, since some of them were 200-pointers, and could also serve as good guides concerning the pitstops.

(And what about the two remaining enduros?)
 
Smallhorses
Well said nige! I also think that as the new forum has the backing of hispeed for the movement of the CLUB 200 we've got a great beginning, and combined with some links to writeups of 200 point races in the race reports forum and route_66's 200 A-spec thread, and Famine's "Notes on Maximising A-spec points" we should have a semi-complete guide to begin with. By voluteering to arrange all the info in the 200 A-spec thread's 80-odd pages into something more easily referenced, like the stock car list, AMG. has taken on a lot of work, but I believe he's done a lot of work behind the scenes to get it ready to go, and all he'll need is permission to go ahead, and one of the site admins to create the forum for him.
As a Premium member, like myself, he's shown the long term commitment a project like this will need, the forum won't be created and abandoned like route_66's thread, which has only been kept alive by other interested members, not by the thread starter himself.

That's my 2 cents, hope we get some news soon. 👍
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Smallhorses, well said. :):)
AMG has put in an immense of work for the benefit of the GTPlanet community ,so he if no one else, deserves to know what is happening.
nige
 
OK, I've decided to go ahead with the forum. It's open and the permissions should be all set. Nobody can create new threads there unless they are a moderator. I'll let you (AMG.) and the moderators take it from here. :)
 

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