Photos from Iraq

rinard · Apr 12, 2004

I saw photos on T.V I hope pictures like this will spread around so that people will start thinking with their conscious instead of their greed. I also heard that the Americans administration is afraid of such pictures being spread around and anti-war resentiment might rise again. I'm fully aware that many innocent Iraqi civilians are being injured and killed by US bombs, and that's horrific. Honestly, thoughts like this plague me every day... I do not consider myself truly pro- or anti-war, but that does not make me indifferent.
I would advise anyone in here especially young and sensitive members if you go to these sites, are aware you are going to see dead people.

http://alsaha2.fares.net/sahat?14@183.a4OgkyQvll9.6@.1dd56cad
http://alsaha2.fares.net/sahat?128@183.a4OgkyQvll9.7@.1dd576bc
http://alsaha2.fares.net/sahat?128@183.a4OgkyQvll9.7@.1dd57887
http://www.aljazeera.net/news/arabic/2003/3/3-22-26.htm

Goomba · Apr 12, 2004

I've been so out of lately. Doing things in my own life, I haven't really see whats been happening in Iraq. I should probably pick up the news paper, once in a while.

Solid Fro · Apr 12, 2004

Rinard, your taste is absolutely disgraceful. How surprising those are Muslim websites. I refuse to open the Al Jazeera site. These images only strengthen my support for the war, that our job is not finished in Iraq, and we will stay until we can declare victory.

Crayola · Apr 12, 2004

Why do you have something against Al Jazeera? It is probablly the most reliable of all news services, because it shows the war from the perspective of the Iraqi/Islamic people.

///M-Spec · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by Crayola
Why do you have something against Al Jazeera? It is probablly the most reliable of all news services, because it shows the war from the perspective of the Iraqi/Islamic people.

Come again? It is the most reliable of all news services because it offers a Mideast/Islamic perspective? Am I missing a bit of sarcasm or irony here or do you actually believe that?

M

Carl. · Apr 12, 2004

I'd never say that it's more reliable than CNN, and hope it was sarcasm or a joke there, but at least it shows the other side's point of view... and usually the truth is somewhere between the two. What I'm afraid in seeing thoses quite disturbing pictures is how many Muslims in the middle east are glad to see them... and how many new Al Quaeda members this war will help to raise.

emad · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by Viper Zero
Rinard, your taste is absolutely disgraceful. How surprising those are Muslim websites. I refuse to open the Al Jazeera site. These images only strengthen my support for the war, that our job is not finished in Iraq, and we will stay until we can declare victory.

your reasons are the very same reason I refuse to even look at cnn seriously and only look at BBC half-heartedly since those 2 sources are extremely biased towards the war.

///M-Spec · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by emad
your reasons are the very same reason I refuse to even look at cnn seriously and only look at BBC half-heartedly since those 2 sources are extremely biased towards the war.

Let me guess. You prefer news sources that are extremely biased against the war, right?

M

emad · Apr 12, 2004

no, i prefer in between. The best thing to do from what I've found is watch a bit of sides or just read the news written by people who have nothing to do with it. It gives you a more realistic idea as to what's going on in the world since it's very difficult to know who's telling bending the truth and how much they're doing it.

But yes, if you want to know, I am against the war

Duke · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by Crayola
Why do you have something against Al Jazeera? It is probablly the most reliable of all news services, because it shows the war from the perspective of the Iraqi/Islamic people.

Oh, OK, they've certainly demonstrated themselves to be the most civilized, stable, and ethical group of people in recorded history, so we should take anything they say as Holy Writ...

To resurrect a little ancient history: NOT.

///M-Spec · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by emad
no, i prefer in between.

That's good to hear. Let's not forget that jouralistic integrity is not something you can take for granted no matter what the source. It is a charged issue. Everyone has a dog in this fight.

M

toyomatt84 · Apr 12, 2004

I just might throw this out for debate: Need we not forget what happened on 9/11, if we are going to reference pictures like those. Blatant disregard for the human life, on EITHER side of the story is truly unexcusable, but yet, who struck first?

Jeradd101 · Apr 12, 2004

yeah while it is a reminder, I think it was a little distasteful

Goomba · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by toyomatt84
I just might throw this out for debate: Need we not forget what happened on 9/11, if we are going to reference pictures like those. Blatant disregard for the human life, on EITHER side of the story is truly unexcusable, but yet, who struck first?

Eye for an eye, and soon everyone will be blind.

Carl. · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by Goomba
Eye for an eye, and soon everyone will be blind.

very well put.

sn00pie · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by Viper Zero
Rinard, your taste is absolutely disgraceful. How surprising those are Muslim websites. I refuse to open the Al Jazeera site. These images only strengthen my support for the war, that our job is not finished in Iraq, and we will stay until we can declare victory.

Rinard, your taste is absolutely disgraceful. BOO HOO!

Taste!!! AAAH!!! Viper Zero, AAAAH!!!

Taste (tást)

4. To appreciate or enjoy. (archaic)

Perception, from the Old French perceivre -- percipere (per + capere, to seize)?

You're keeping yourself from intellectual cognizance! Your entire perception of the situation is based upon American/western propaganda (don't ****ing dare tell me that's not what it is), so now Rinard offers you a different view and you ignore it?

Think about what your opinion is based on and cut out the loser talk.

Unless you're the flying kid.

Duke · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by Goomba
Eye for an eye, and soon everyone will be blind.

Not people who have the sense and morals not to strike first. We'll still be able to see.

Darin · Apr 12, 2004

From what I hear on the news, it almost sounds like Iraq is gonna fall.

skip0110 · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by Darin
From what I hear on the news, it almost sounds like Iraq is gonna fall.

Iraq may fall, but the deaths and injuries on both sides will continue for many years to come. Hopefully the US is smart enought to know how to get out of this war in a reasonable amount of time, so we dont have soldiers stationed there for 20-something years to come.

emad · Apr 12, 2004

From what I hear on the news, it almost sounds like Iraq is gonna fall.

Iraq's government has fallen. Unfortunately, a lot of the people there don't want the US there. Until the US pulls out and gives them the government the Iraqis wanted - and the government they promised to give, the violence will continue

Darin · Apr 12, 2004

Ain't we still over there!? Cause over my local news our US death count continues to increase.

Carl. · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by neon_duke
Not people who have the sense and morals not to strike first. We'll still be able to see.

does history starts on 9/11/2001? because on the other side they have another idea of who striked first...

anyway, I guess both sides are already blind...

///M-Spec · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by emad
Iraq's government has fallen.

How do you figure? Seeing how Iraq has a provisional governing council rather than a formal government ( that doesn't become official until June), that's really a neat trick. You know something that AP doesn't know?

Originally posted by emad
Unfortunately, a lot of the people there don't want the US there.

If I were an Iraqi, I wouldn't want us there either. I'd be pretty much counting the days till the US leaves. But at the same time, it would be stupid and naive for me to think establishing public services, building the economy and stabilizing the country is going to magically happen without US presence and international aid.

If there were no US forces in Iraq, there will be anarchy and chaos until another dictator or radical fundamentalist seizes power and we'd all be right back where we started --plus a lot more dead Iraqis. If I were an Iraqi, I sure as hell wouldn't want another Saddam.. and I don't think I'd want my country to become Iran. Especially when I know my country has the potential to make Kuwait and the UAE look like a trailer park.

Originally posted by emad
Until the US pulls out and gives them the government the Iraqis wanted - and the government they promised to give, the violence will continue

This is an absurd viewpoint. How can the US pull out of Iraqi and provide a government at the same time? Have you ever asked a doctor to perform surgury from across town or a contractor to build a house without going to the job site? In the meantime, blowing people up at random just makes the job that much harder.

Whether you think the US had any business to be there in the first is a moot point now. The best thing for Iraq, the US and the rest of the world is to work hard to establish a viable democratic government and free market economy there... and its not going to happen if all the soldiers just up and leave.

M

Rossell · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by Viper Zero
Rinard, your taste is absolutely disgraceful. How surprising those are Muslim websites. I refuse to open the Al Jazeera site. These images only strengthen my support for the war, that our job is not finished in Iraq, and we will stay until we can declare victory.

And fill the country with the American opinion on how to live which is "kill each other"

Sorry. I hate Saddam but I don't exactly like America either...

///M-Spec · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by Rossell
And fill the country with the American opinion on how to live which is "kill each other"

Arabs are already very good at that. They don't need anyone to teach them. Crack open a history book and read a little about what Iraq and Iran did to each other in the 80s.

M

emad · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by ///M-Spec
This is an absurd viewpoint. How can the US pull out of Iraqi and provide a government at the same time? Have you ever asked a doctor to perform surgury from across town or a contractor to build a house without going to the job site? In the meantime, blowing people up at random just makes the job that much harder.

Whether you think the US had any business to be there in the first is a moot point now. The best thing for Iraq, the US and the rest of the world is to work hard to establish a viable democratic government and free market economy there... and its not going to happen if all the soldiers just up and leave.

M

I know it's absurd. But that's what they want, isn't it? It's been done to afghanistan - they tossed in several millions of dollars, gave them a puppet government and pretty much disappeared while leaving a skeletal force behind... It's horrible for the people, but that is more or less what they want. If they want to rebuild so badly then maybe it would help if they reduced their military presence and worked strictly on peacekeeping and policing? It's one thing having a city filled with tanks on patrol. It's another still to have something like UN peacekeepers walking around trying to prevent the violence. It's the same thing but with a different title and a similar purpose.

///M-Spec · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by emad
I know it's absurd. But that's what they want, isn't it?

I want lots of absurd things too. Computers that upgrade themselves. A 500 hp sports car that runs on tap water. A guiltless prime rib dinner. For all GTP forum users to actually think through a tough issue and speak fairly and intelligently about them instead of spamming their biased knee-jerk emotional reactions. (EDIT: Don't take that as an insult to you emad, you've been mostly reasonable in this thread)

Ain't gonna happen. That's why these ideas are absurd.

Originally posted by emad
It's been done to afghanistan - they tossed in several millions of dollars, gave them a puppet government and pretty much disappeared while leaving a skeletal force behind... It's horrible for the people, but that is more or less what they want.

Show me some hard evidence that quality of living in Afganistan is so much worse now, that it off-sets the newfound social, economic and religious freedoms people there now have.

M

skylineGTR_guy · Apr 12, 2004

Originally posted by rinard
I'm fully aware that many innocent Iraqi civilians are being injured and killed by US bombs, and that's horrific. Honestly, thoughts like this plague me every day...

Solid Fro · Apr 12, 2004

Those Muslim sites love to forget those pictures SkylineGTR Guy posted and you say I'm biased, Snoopie? HA!

Duke · Apr 12, 2004

In the future, please refrain from posting disturbing or graphic images using the img tag. Use the url tag instead to make them links. Thank you.

Photos from Iraq

rinard

Goomba

Solid Fro

I told you so.

Crayola

///M-Spec

Carl.

emad

///M-Spec

emad

Duke

Keep 'em separated

///M-Spec

toyomatt84

Jeradd101

Goomba

Carl.

sn00pie

AAAH DON'T PANIC!!!

Duke

Keep 'em separated

Darin

skip0110

emad

Darin

Carl.

///M-Spec

Rossell

///M-Spec

emad

///M-Spec

skylineGTR_guy

Solid Fro

I told you so.

Duke

Keep 'em separated

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