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Race Date - Sun Sep 28 2014
Penalty Rate 50%​
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Below are the results of the 11 incidents the stewards reviewed.

Division 2 - 5 incidents on file
Gouletzky
  • Round 3 - Race 2 - Level 2 - 5 points. 2 weeks probation.
GTP_XR_RACER_11
  • Round 3 - Race 2 - Level 2 - 5 points doubled to 10 for probation violation.
Division 3 - 2 incidents on file
Zspark
  • Round 3 - Race 1 - Level 1 - 2 points doubled to 4 for probation violation.
Division 4 - 2 incidents on file
TEX-36
  • Round 2 - Race 2 - Level 2 - 8 points halved to 4 for self report. 2 weeks probation.
Division 5 - 3 incidents on file
MaDDstAR116
  • Round 3 - Race 2 - Level 3 - 9 points doubled to 18 for probation violation.
Division 6 - 1 incident on file
pkenuelo
  • Round 2 - Race 2 - Level 1 - 3 points. 1 week probation.

These results can be viewed on the SNAIL Steward Review Sheet.

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Thanks to Handlebar-Man, JLBowler, Oshawa-Joe, tezgm99 and USERID_77a23 for their reviews this week.
Don't forget to claim your $hells for completing reviews.
:cheers:

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These changes affect the final standings.
Full final results for September can be found here. @zer05ive & @JLBowler, these adjustments have been made in the director's document and results sheets.
***If you were penalized and would like further explanation regarding the incident, PM your Division Steward and they will let you know what the stewards saw and our opinions on it.***​

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3 Drivers have raced off probation this past week. Well done! :cheers:​

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D2 - OPEN
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D4 - OPEN
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Attention current Div-4 Members:

The following are not shown on my present Friend Listing:
#bezerker34 #ATLskydiver #alienracing #Drgreenthumb977 #lousteezy
aka
#bezerker34 #Ifarris3 #alienunleashed25 #Drrgreenthumb67 #GTP_lousteezy

Please send a Friend Request to me (#TEX-36 aka #TEX36) sometime today - do not wait until Sunday afternoon ........ you will get sidetracked and then miss out on the racing Sunday night. If I do not receive an FR soon enough, you will not be able to get into the Friend Only Room.
Most all of you know that ....... I'm just sending out an APB (All Points Bulletin) so that you are give every opportunity to join us Sunday night.

If anyone reading this message know the Drivers mentioned above, or can contact them in some manner, please do so and relay this message.

Thank you ...... now back to your regularly scheduled Saturday morning
 
racingchamp30
Division 7 race report
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Congratulations to all of the winners tonight in the division and a night of great racing. Looked like just one disconnection from @awsisme and ever since i started running the room as fixed host, we are able to see everyone so it has worked out really good. Welcome to all new and current drivers in the division. For the first race with the VW Scirocco everything was good. I got the Road hugging glitch in two races like last Sunday. Round 2, Race 1 with the Spoon S2000 and Round 3, Race 1 in the Corvette. I heard both tire and engine sounds throughout the night. My vehicle goes fine for qualifying, just that i got the road hug glitch at the start where the engine is revving but car sitting still at start of race like has happened to @SHOCKY_WELL and Sound issues still happened with other drivers tonight. I want to thank all my fellow SNAIL drivers for your patience with me with this road hugging glitch since i have to pull to the side to start in the back once the race started in the second races.

Thank you everyone always for a great time in any division i race in and cannot thank all the score keepers, replay uploaders, picture uploaders enough for your contribution to the division and SNAIL itself.
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I was having problems all night, I don't think it was anything you could have controlled. It was an issue for me in other rooms later on and even in quick match rooms. Thank you for being patient with me as I tried to solve some of it, I appreciate it.
 
zer05ive
In my opinion, none of this happens if the 4-time consecutive world champion isn't soundly outperformed by his new teammate week after week. He was once the golden boy of that team, but Ricciardo has swiftly removed the luster from that golden shine. However Vettel decides to justify the move to Ferrari, I'm guessing his ego played a large part of the decision-making process. I just don't think he wanted any part of being "the Webber" of Red Bull.
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The problem with this logic is that being "the webber" of Red Bull requires Red Bull to be the same "Red Bull" they were before.

They've already announced no expectation to have an improved power unit until at least the European races next year. Mix lack of power with the reliability issues that Vettel had, AND the comments he's faced for years of "he only wins because he's driving a Red Bull"... Why would you want to stay? It only perpetuates that argument against him.

As for what's happened this year... After horrendous testing reliability and DNFs for the same reasons in a few of the opening rounds, why would he be motivated to work hard this year. Horner has said a few times that he hasn't been himself this year. Compare that to ricciardo, who is on cloud 9 finally driving for a top team, and he didn't see half as many reliability DNFs at the opening of the year - hammer it week in and week out. Race wins were never possible before, and to him that's the greatest accomplishment of his career. Vettel has something like 38 wins, and it's not the great motivator anymore.

Assuming he does go to Ferrari, and he wins a championship within three years (like Lewis might do at Mercedes after people thought hole was crazy to go there), think of what that would do for his legacy. Four championships for a relatively young team... Bringing Ferrari back to the top... That'd be hard to not look at as potential GOAT. He said in post qualy interview that he simply wants a new challenge.

Of course, taking that challenge that is ego driven, but I don't think it has anything to do with his teammate. Saying that one season plagued with reliability problems makes him leave because he's #2 just doesn't hold water. mainly because he doesn't care about being #1 if the team doesn't seem to stand any chance of competing for a championship. In the end that still makes you #3 at best.

Who knows what Ferrari has planned for next year, but hearing the talk out of red bull for next seasons plans, I highly doubt anyone is driving an RBR to the driver (or team) championship next year. The same can't be said for Ferrari at this point (although I'd bet it'll be difficult to push for the title next year with where Mercedes is at now).

So to say he's a clear #2, and that he's leaving because of ricciardo, I really just don't think is as true as many would seem to like it to be. This season has played a big part in the decision, but I think it was more the car than his teammate. He doesn't see much value to his legacy in rising back to a championship level with the same team.

All that being said - I'll still be an RBR fan when it comes to teams, but I will definitely still be pulling for Vettel as my favorite driver.
 
Rockhound18
The problem with this logic is that being "the webber" of Red Bull requires Red Bull to be the same "Red Bull" they were before.

They've already announced no expectation to have an improved power unit until at least the European races next year. Mix lack of power with the reliability issues that Vettel had, AND the comments he's faced for years of "he only wins because he's driving a Red Bull"... Why would you want to stay? It only perpetuates that argument against him.

As for what's happened this year... After horrendous testing reliability and DNFs for the same reasons in a few of the opening rounds, why would he be motivated to work hard this year. Horner has said a few times that he hasn't been himself this year. Compare that to ricciardo, who is on cloud 9 finally driving for a top team, and he didn't see half as many reliability DNFs at the opening of the year - hammer it week in and week out. Race wins were never possible before, and to him that's the greatest accomplishment of his career. Vettel has something like 38 wins, and it's not the great motivator anymore.

Assuming he does go to Ferrari, and he wins a championship within three years (like Lewis might do at Mercedes after people thought hole was crazy to go there), think of what that would do for his legacy. Four championships for a relatively young team... Bringing Ferrari back to the top... That'd be hard to not look at as potential GOAT. He said in post qualy interview that he simply wants a new challenge.

Of course, taking that challenge that is ego driven, but I don't think it has anything to do with his teammate. Saying that one season plagued with reliability problems makes him leave because he's #2 just doesn't hold water. mainly because he doesn't care about being #1 if the team doesn't seem to stand any chance of competing for a championship. In the end that still makes you #3 at best.

Who knows what Ferrari has planned for next year, but hearing the talk out of red bull for next seasons plans, I highly doubt anyone is driving an RBR to the driver (or team) championship next year. The same can't be said for Ferrari at this point (although I'd bet it'll be difficult to push for the title next year with where Mercedes is at now).

So to say he's a clear #2, and that he's leaving because of ricciardo, I really just don't think is as true as many would seem to like it to be. This season has played a big part in the decision, but I think it was more the car than his teammate. He doesn't see much value to his legacy in rising back to a championship level with the same team.

All that being said - I'll still be an RBR fan when it comes to teams, but I will definitely still be pulling for Vettel as my favorite driver.
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MajorBlixem
I will miss my racing fix this weekend :( I'm on a business trip to Vancouver till Thursday
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Feel your passion for this team and driver...that's cool, however I must contribute to the idea that this camp has had a series of advantages over the course of these championships that no longer allow an advantage to SEB and RBR.
Give Alonzo a F duct and the miracle diffuser and I'll bet outcomes would be different. I don't mean to inflame, just saying I think he was revealed, not unlike my beloved Oregon Ducks defense.
 
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Just a gee whiz here.

There are 2 active drivers on the roster who have yet to throw down on the SNAIL GT6 Time Trial.

It would be great if @cmbeal317 and @dgaf95integra would take a few minutes and run a few laps according to the instructions in the link above and submit a time. We won't be using it to adjust your current division assignment, as you both have a long history with SNAIL. It would just be used to complete the data set for whichever division you are in.

Thanks.
 
Rockhound18
The problem with this logic is that being "the webber" of Red Bull requires Red Bull to be the same "Red Bull" they were before.

They've already announced no expectation to have an improved power unit until at least the European races next year. Mix lack of power with the reliability issues that Vettel had, AND the comments he's faced for years of "he only wins because he's driving a Red Bull"... Why would you want to stay? It only perpetuates that argument against him.

As for what's happened this year... After horrendous testing reliability and DNFs for the same reasons in a few of the opening rounds, why would he be motivated to work hard this year. Horner has said a few times that he hasn't been himself this year. Compare that to ricciardo, who is on cloud 9 finally driving for a top team, and he didn't see half as many reliability DNFs at the opening of the year - hammer it week in and week out. Race wins were never possible before, and to him that's the greatest accomplishment of his career. Vettel has something like 38 wins, and it's not the great motivator anymore.

Assuming he does go to Ferrari, and he wins a championship within three years (like Lewis might do at Mercedes after people thought hole was crazy to go there), think of what that would do for his legacy. Four championships for a relatively young team... Bringing Ferrari back to the top... That'd be hard to not look at as potential GOAT. He said in post qualy interview that he simply wants a new challenge.

Of course, taking that challenge that is ego driven, but I don't think it has anything to do with his teammate. Saying that one season plagued with reliability problems makes him leave because he's #2 just doesn't hold water. mainly because he doesn't care about being #1 if the team doesn't seem to stand any chance of competing for a championship. In the end that still makes you #3 at best.

Who knows what Ferrari has planned for next year, but hearing the talk out of red bull for next seasons plans, I highly doubt anyone is driving an RBR to the driver (or team) championship next year. The same can't be said for Ferrari at this point (although I'd bet it'll be difficult to push for the title next year with where Mercedes is at now).

So to say he's a clear #2, and that he's leaving because of ricciardo, I really just don't think is as true as many would seem to like it to be. This season has played a big part in the decision, but I think it was more the car than his teammate. He doesn't see much value to his legacy in rising back to a championship level with the same team.

All that being said - I'll still be an RBR fan when it comes to teams, but I will definitely still be pulling for Vettel as my favorite driver.
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Ricciardo has truly earned the success he's experienced this year. I'm a Lewis and Mercedes fan, but absolute respect to Ricciardo for what he's achieved. The guy is someone that could potentially be the face of F1. His on track skill is amazing, and he sure showed that with some amazing passes at Monza, and off track he's got the character that fans love. I watched him win in Montreal this year from the finish line grandstand, and was right there at the front during the podium ceremony. It sure was something seeing his reaction to his first win. Still on the RBR note, I'm really excited to see how Kvyat does. Has anyone moved to a top team as quickly as him? If Kvyat can continue to improve the way he has, he's going to be a championship contender in a few seasons time.

I only heard about the Vettel news as I started watching qualifying today, and it was a bit of a shock. What you say does make lots of sense though Rock, so the move for him does seem like it can be a good one for him, but his ego will have to be checked at the door. Vettel pairing with Ferrari will be a huge hit or miss, like Raikonnen's return. I'd love to see Ferrari contend again, it's been a bit disappointing seeing them struggle this season. Whether Vettel is the answer or not, it's hard to say.

I'm excited to see what next season has to bring. Even though this season was the one with the most changes (technical changes though), next season brings tons of driver changes and the reintroduction of Honda. I think I'm more excited for next season than I was for this season. Here's hoping I can make it to the British Grand Prix to experience it all over again!
 
Dragonwhisky
Just a gee whiz here.

There are 2 active drivers on the roster who have yet to throw down on the SNAIL GT6 Time Trial.

It would be great if @cmbeal317 and @dgaf95integra would take a few minutes and run a few laps according to the instructions in the link above and submit a time. We won't be using it to adjust your current division assignment, as you both have a long history with SNAIL. It would just be used to complete the data set for whichever division you are in.

Thanks.
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I'll try and get it done when I get home, but I can't guarantee I'll have enough time tonight. If not, I'll make sure to run it in the morning. :)
 
CoachMK21
Team S.N.A.I.L. Announcement​

A public thank you to the Division Managers. Your diligence in making sure the job duties for Sunday Night racing are filled is greatly appreciated. If your division doesn't have a manager yet, consider stepping up for the role. This is a $hell earning position.

D1 - @Oshawa-Joe
D2 - OPEN
D3 - @fzappa
D4 - OPEN
D5 - OPEN
D6 - @joe_diben
D7 - @aerolite
D8 - @SHOCKY_WELL


Divisional Conversations were created last night. If you aren't included in one, send me or your Division Manager a PM and we'll get you added.
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To echo what Coach said, thank you to all the division managers. To all D2, D4, and D5 drivers, I'm hoping a few of you guys step up to the plate and accept this critical role for your division. Not doing so, puts the burden of managing your division on guys who are either not in your division or aren't even able to enjoy Sunday night racing in the first place. That's not how it should be IMO.

@Oshawa-Joe @fzappa @joe_diben @aerolite @SHOCKY_WELL - Please be sure to collect your $hells by selecting the following option in the 'earn $hells' link in my sig:

DIVISION MANAGER - Posted that all division duties are filled prior to the start of league night

However, the post must be made on this thread and not in your division conversation.

@BayouSimDrifter - you referenced a post in your division conversation when you earned $hells last week, but please keep the request above in mind in the future. You can keep those $hells this time, but just wanted to point it out for next time. :)
 
CoachMK21
Team S.N.A.I.L. Announcement​

A public thank you to the Division Managers. Your diligence in making sure the job duties for Sunday Night racing are filled is greatly appreciated. If your division doesn't have a manager yet, consider stepping up for the role. This is a $hell earning position.

D1 - @Oshawa-Joe
D2 - OPEN
D3 - @fzappa
D4 - OPEN
D5 - OPEN
D6 - @joe_diben
D7 - @aerolite
D8 - @SHOCKY_WELL


Divisional Conversations were created last night. If you aren't included in one, send me or your Division Manager a PM and we'll get you added.
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If it is ok'd by those in D4 I would accept the Divisional manager position.
 
CoachMK21
@Mike Lobban - I've tried to add you to the D8 conversation, but it gives me an error and says I can't add you. Two others have tried as well. Did you edit your preferences to not allow PMs?
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Don't think so. Try lobbanmike or ch11chcftzp. I kinda farged up on the registration and am too cheap to pay for premium just to fix my name. I wondered where you went.
 
Rockhound18
The problem with this logic is that being "the webber" of Red Bull requires Red Bull to be the same "Red Bull" they were before.
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My comment about being "the Webber" of Red Bull was just a way to point out the irony of the situation. Webber was always #2 to Vettel, and Webber hated it. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and Vettel wants nothing to do with it.

Rockhound18
They've already announced no expectation to have an improved power unit until at least the European races next year. Mix lack of power with the reliability issues that Vettel had, AND the comments he's faced for years of "he only wins because he's driving a Red Bull"... Why would you want to stay? It only perpetuates that argument against him.
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You ask why would he want to stay? I'd say for the exact reason that you mentioned above. Nobody regards the Red Bulls as the fastest cars on the grid anymore. If he can win in a car that's not the fastest, it will be the ultimate way to silence his critics. His rookie teammate has already won three times this year in a car that's inferior to Mercedes, so why can't he? Oh wait, that's why we're having this discussion in the first place..

Rockhound18
As for what's happened this year... After horrendous testing reliability and DNFs for the same reasons in a few of the opening rounds, why would he be motivated to work hard this year. Horner has said a few times that he hasn't been himself this year. Compare that to ricciardo, who is on cloud 9 finally driving for a top team, and he didn't see half as many reliability DNFs at the opening of the year - hammer it week in and week out. Race wins were never possible before, and to him that's the greatest accomplishment of his career. Vettel has something like 38 wins, and it's not the great motivator anymore.
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Why would he be motivated? How about that fact that he's the four-time world champion and gets paid almost 30-times as much as the rookie teammate who is outperforming him? Being the fierce competitor that we all know Vettel is, I find it hard to believe that he would use "lack of motivation" as an excuse.

Rockhound18
Assuming he does go to Ferrari, and he wins a championship within three years (like Lewis might do at Mercedes after people thought hole was crazy to go there), think of what that would do for his legacy. Four championships for a relatively young team... Bringing Ferrari back to the top... That'd be hard to not look at as potential GOAT. He said in post qualy interview that he simply wants a new challenge.
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I can understand how Vettel would love to be considered GOAT, and you could make an argument that winning three or four championships with Ferrari would do just that. However, there's one thing that would absolutely ensure him not even being in the GOAT discussion, and that's being #2 on his own team (which is the situation he's suddenly found himself in).

Rockhound18
Of course, taking that challenge that is ego driven, but I don't think it has anything to do with his teammate. Saying that one season plagued with reliability problems makes him leave because he's #2 just doesn't hold water. mainly because he doesn't care about being #1 if the team doesn't seem to stand any chance of competing for a championship. In the end that still makes you #3 at best.

Who knows what Ferrari has planned for next year, but hearing the talk out of red bull for next seasons plans, I highly doubt anyone is driving an RBR to the driver (or team) championship next year. The same can't be said for Ferrari at this point (although I'd bet it'll be difficult to push for the title next year with where Mercedes is at now).
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I'm not sure what you're saying here. You seem to be saying that it's not that he's being outperformed on his own team, but rather that his team doesn't have a chance of competing for a championship. If that were the case, why would he leave for Ferrari (allegedly) when they have even less of a chance at competing for a championship?

Rockhound18
So to say he's a clear #2, and that he's leaving because of ricciardo, I really just don't think is as true as many would seem to like it to be. This season has played a big part in the decision, but I think it was more the car than his teammate. He doesn't see much value to his legacy in rising back to a championship level with the same team.
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Vettel has made several comments that indicate it was indeed more his teammate than the car. Here are just a few examples:

"Daniel has done a very, very good job and has made life difficult for me," he said. "But it's good for the team's morale. His results have proved that our car isn't as bad as all that."

"If he's quicker then me, I have to accept it"

Vettel said he had no excuses as both drivers have the same car, and that Ricciardo, in his first season with Red Bull, has simply been performing better.
 
Mike Lobban
Don't think so. Try lobbanmike or ch11chcftzp. I kinda farged up on the registration and am too cheap to pay for premium just to fix my name. I wondered where you went.
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Neither of those worked either. It worked last month, so I'm not sure what changed since then. You might want to PM Jordan or another admin to ask why you can't be added to a PM.
 
There have been no spoilers posted, and I'm glad there haven't either, because I was here before I watched qualifying this morning, haha.

If anyone DOES want to talk about the race and/or results here, please use the spoiler tags.
 
I'm unable to race tomorrow night. Would make it just in time from work but I think I better give me hand/tendon injury a few more days to heal. The Advil and ice hasn't worked its magic yet.
 
I submitted time trial info. I signed up over a year and a half ago but never raced (as far as I can remember). Life just got in the way. I just got GT6 and would like to give it a go again.
 
I have some thoughts about this whole driver shakeup in F1.

Let's follow the money shall we? Stay with me here.

Red Bull has grown accustomed to the 1st place WDC payouts over the last 4 years.
Ferrari has grown accustomed to lower and lower WDC payouts over that same 4 years, with this year likely to be their lowest in 5 or more.
McLaren may still be paying off that $100 Million dollar fine from 2007. Which Alonso had a hand in getting levied.
After Alonso took the job at Ferrari, he became the highest paid F1 driver.
Red Bull will not get a WDC this year and will not get the monies they have become accustomed to.
Vettel has always wanted to drive for Ferrari, where his childhood hero drove.
Ferrari is having to further trim their budget. If they hope to fund a 1st place car, they'll have to spend more money there. It's gotta come from somewhere.
Red Bull will also have to trim the budget. They need a motor with some horsepower. That won't come cheap.

With all of the above in mind, all the posturing of the team principals and drivers about new challenges and what's best for the team strikes me as just so much BS.

Ferrari needs some Euros to get a car up to snuff and they have to spend more money there. Where is the easiest place to gain some? Cutting that highest paid driver from the roster will certainly free up some. I doubt they will pay Vettel that much.

Red Bull is in the same boat. Where can they save some money? Vettel moving out of Red Bull and RBR pulling Kyvat in will save them a boatload. Maybe they can shift some of the difference between Kyvat's salary and Vettel's over to Renault so they can make an engine that can run with the Mercs. We all know they have the aero skills to pay the bills, they just need more torques to match.

I've heard whispers here and there that Honda bought out Alonso's contract with Scuderia. If that's true this may all have been made possible by Alonso jumping on the opportunity Honda presented, sold them on making the deal with him and leveraging a seat at McLaren, which opened the door for the rest. Of course, Ferrari may have forced Alonso's hand here with all the changes they've been making. Either way, the end result is the same. Follow the money.


For those not wanting F1 Results posted after the fact;
You thought I was going to put some actual results in here? Psych! You clicked it anyway, didn't you?
 
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Mike Lobban
Don't think so. Try lobbanmike or ch11chcftzp. I kinda farged up on the registration and am too cheap to pay for premium just to fix my name. I wondered where you went.
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You have something messed up in your convo settings or something? @Mike Lobban - when you get it squared away, Just let me know and I will add you so @CoachMK21 doesnt have to deal with it anymore k?
 

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