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[zer05ive]

Any chance I can get a division 1 friend request so I can come practice?

Just sent it.

I asked yesterday and didn't get a response.

Sorry I missed your request. I just added you as well.

Maybe they are close to the limit and are leaving spots for D1 racers?

This is definitely not the case. The D1 lounge is the league's designated practice lounge - for all members in all divisions. 👍

 

[iroquois]

hey this is iroquois. send me info about time trial try outs. thanks

 

[zeromisfit999]

Wait are we allowed to adjust brakes and things not performance related?

 

[pilmat]

Sorry I missed your request. I just added you as well.

Thank you 👍

 

[Handlebar]

Wait are we allowed to adjust brakes and things not performance related?

Just brake balance.

Dunno why that's OK and nothing else, but 'tis what it is.

 

[zer05ive]

Just brake balance.

Dunno why that's OK and nothing else, but 'tis what it is.

There's a discussion on the brake balance going on in the S.P.E.C. thread that I might as well bring over to this thread since it's regarding S.N.A.I.L.

If your interested, please read this page to get caught up on the discussion so far. I'd be interested in knowing how you guys feel about it.

 

[Mrjones]

Just brake balance.

Dunno why that's OK and nothing else, but 'tis what it is.

Probably because there is absolutely noway to police that.

 

[pilmat]

There's a discussion on the brake balance going on in the S.P.E.C. thread that I might as well bring over to this thread since it's regarding S.N.A.I.L.

If your interested, please read this page to get caught up on the discussion so far. I'd be interested in knowing how you guys feel about it.

No way to tell if it has been adjusted... You can even set it in the tuning menu and it will stay in the race. For PD, this seems to be considered different from tuning. And just like in a race car, this is cockpit adjustable. Even when F1 took out all the driving aids (TC, active suspension, etc) they outlawed cockpit adjustable ant-roll bars, but NEVER touched the BB knob. So it's not a driver aid, it is really a safety feature (in a real car).

 

[Apmaddock]

I adjust the brake balance of every car that I drive in GT5. As I've said in this thread before, the default 5/5 doesn't make any real-life sense. No car that I've ever looked at the brakes on has equal front and rear brake power.* I mainly adjust the brakes to increase stability under braking and, ideally, make it easier to apply partial braking when in traffic, etc. Both of these are done with the primary goal of a lower likelihood for incidents.

From a steward standpoint, even if what dsgerbc is saying is true, I sure as hell don't want to police it.

*This is assuming, and this is no given, that 5/5 brake balance is meant to represent even front/rear balance. Thanks to GT5 and PD's painful lack of information regarding so many features, etc. (especially in the tuning screen) we'll likely never know exactly what the initial brake setup is meant to represent.

 

[pvtlapdance]

I believe that this should be based on the cars pp like the tires are done here; higher pp cars allow break balance adjustment and not for low pp cars.

Or, only allow it on race cars and cars that can have it adjusted in real life. If it can't be adjusted on the real car, don't allow it to be adjusted here.

Just my two cents.

 

[kcheeb]

hey this is iroquois. send me info about time trial try outs. thanks

Hey iroquois,

Thanks for asking about the Time Trial, it's not exactly a try out but a means to determine which Division you'll be placed in to give you the best racing 👍

We run a clean league by enforcing the S.N.A.I.L. OLR and we expect all of our drivers to know and follow The Good Racecraft Guide. Please become versed in both.

Follow These Steps:
1. I add you to the drivers list as a New S.N.A.I.L.
2. You run the Time Trial.
3. You Private Message my GTPlanet account with your time from the time trial (no Sunday racing until this is completed).
4. I assign you to the appropriate Division, to give you the best racing possible.
5. A PSN friend request will be sent from the appropriate SNAIL_Division1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 account. That is where you race on Sunday night.
6. You drive fast and clean on Sunday

The original post has a lot of information regarding the league, commit it to memory

The second post has the current race lineup and is updated weekly.

If you have a preference for car/wheel colour and racing number, post your choices in this thread. To avoid duplication, the currently claimed combinations can be found here.

During the week we run a number of different events feel free to jump in and partake!

Welcome aboard and enjoy

 

[JLBowler]

For me, Spec racing means everybody is driving the same equipment adjusted the same way. I have never adjusted the brake bias of any car I have used in SNAIL. I may be at a disadvantage but I don't care, it's spec racing and I don't touch the car. For those of you that argue that 5/5 isn't a realistic setting for the way a car would come from the factory, I say to you that the default camber and toe setting are not a realistic representation of how a car would come from the factory. As long as everyone has to deal with the same settings, it's not an issue, it's spec racing.

If SNAIL wanted to enforce a 5/5 setting, and it's viewable, I would be willing to do some spot checks each week. I work from home for the most part so I usually have the extra time to watch replays.

 

[kcheeb]

From a steward standpoint, even if what dsgerbc is saying is true, I sure as hell don't want to police it.

My viewpoint exactly.

I believe we have enough to do already without adding another layer of unnecessary and marginally beneficial work. Especially on something that allows a greater level of control.

 

[dsgerbc]

Well, it's kinda-sorta related, so I'll post. Most modern street cars have electronic brakeforce distribution (EBD), which should dynamically adjusts brake bias in response to weight transfer. If only PD modeled it properly BB wouldn't have mattered with ABS enabled

 

[DrKronin]

There's a discussion on the brake balance going on in the S.P.E.C. thread that I might as well bring over to this thread since it's regarding S.N.A.I.L.

If your interested, please read this page to get caught up on the discussion so far. I'd be interested in knowing how you guys feel about it.

After reading that thread, I would prefer that we disallow BB tuning. There's one big caveat though, and that is that I think we should be certain that the values displayed in the replay are actually correct, all the time. If they are, but we haven't done the homework to make sure, people will use the fact that we aren't sure to argue that they aren't correct.

Also, since the additional effort required to police this would be a major concern, why don't we integrate this into our racing complaint process? No one is probably better qualified to suspect a person of adjusting brake balance than whoever spent several laps right next to them. That way, if people think someone else is messing with the dial, they can check their own replay, and (hopefully) only lodge a complaint if they actually see a violation. I think that would minimize the impact on the stewards.

Regarding your point Ap, I take the position you alluded to in wondering what 5/5 actually means. I think PD intended for the default settings (and 5/5 is always the default BB setting) to represent the stock configuration of each car. I doubt 5/5 means even front-to-rear balance. That said, this is PD we're talking about, and who knows

 

[sethfraz22]

After reading that thread, I would prefer that we disallow BB tuning. There's one big caveat though, and that is that I think we should be certain that the values displayed in the replay are actually correct, all the time. If they are, but we haven't done the homework to make sure, people will use the fact that we aren't sure to argue that they aren't correct.

Also, since the additional effort required to police this would be a major concern, why don't we integrate this into our racing complaint process? No one is probably better qualified to suspect a person of adjusting brake balance than whoever spent several laps right next to them. That way, if people think someone else is messing with the dial, they can check their own replay, and (hopefully) only lodge a complaint if they actually see a violation. I think that would minimize the impact on the stewards.

Regarding your point Ap, I take the position you alluded to in wondering what 5/5 actually means. I think PD intended for the default settings (and 5/5 is always the default BB setting) to represent the stock configuration of each car. I doubt 5/5 means even front-to-rear balance. That said, this is PD we're talking about, and who knows

👍

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I think the complaint process would take care of this.

 

[JLBowler]

When I bowled professionally, there were rules for the amount of side weight in our bowling balls. The tour did not have the time or resources to accurately check 10 to 12 or more balls for all 150-200 bowlers in the tournament. The process they used was to check all the balls of certain place finishers and a few more random finishers. Example: qualifying positions 1,2,3,6,9,10,13,17,21,22,and 26 are going to get checked. In addition, they would draw numbers out of a hat and send those finishers through tech as well. It was a good way to keep everyone honest becasue the penalty was disqualification and it wasn't as much work as looking at every piece of equipment used.

I'll make my offer again. I would be willing to download all replays and do spot checks for brake bias if the replay shows accurate info and SNAIL wants to go this way.

 

[dsgerbc]

I'll make my offer again. I would be willing to download all replays and do spot checks for brake bias if the replay shows accurate info and SNAIL wants to go this way.

I think just one replay per race per division is all that is necessary.
More testing to make sure...

 

[pvtlapdance]

I'll make my offer again. I would be willing to download all replays and do spot checks for brake bias if the replay shows accurate info and SNAIL wants to go this way.

what about just spot checking the top 3 of each race?

 

[Dragonwar233]

When I bowled professionally, there were rules for the amount of side weight in our bowling balls. The tour did not have the time or resources to accurately check 10 to 12 or more balls for all 150-200 bowlers in the tournament. The process they used was to check all the balls of certain place finishers and a few more random finishers. Example: qualifying positions 1,2,3,6,9,10,13,17,21,22,and 26 are going to get checked. In addition, they would draw numbers out of a hat and send those finishers through tech as well. It was a good way to keep everyone honest becasue the penalty was disqualification and it wasn't as much work as looking at every piece of equipment used.

I'll make my offer again. I would be willing to download all replays and do spot checks for brake bias if the replay shows accurate info and SNAIL wants to go this way.

I always watch the replays from D1 so I could check it out. I've already gave it a test on replays from last week and I could see my brake balance and others too.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I think 8 guys will be doing that.

 

[JLBowler]

I think just one replay per race per division is all that is necessary.
More testing to make sure...

I would think if we're going to look a a driver for the week, we would want to look at at least one race on each track for the week. To spot check a driver, it would really only take about a minute or two for each race. Just set the RA menu open and then use the FF button to skip to points in the race. Watch a few seconds at each place it FF's too and make sure they're at 5/5.

 

[Dragonwar233]

I'm going to test my cars @ 5/5 brake balance and see if I'm actually slower than my normal 8/6 setting.

 

[Apmaddock]

I don't like it.

I don't feel like I gain a particular advantage having adjusted brake balance, I only feel like I'm gaining stability and control (at the likely loss of turn-in or trail braking). My car is certainly not stopping any faster than anyone else's.


Anyway, I'll be in D1 practicing.

 

[Dragonwar233]

I don't like it.

I don't feel like I gain a particular advantage having adjusted brake balance, I only feel like I'm gaining stability and control (at the likely loss of turn-in or trail braking). My car is certainly not stopping any faster than anyone else's.

What brake balance setting you use?

 

[ANFD]

I don't quite know what to think. It seems to me you care so much about every little thing being equal and realistic even to the point of policing brake balance yet you don't have a problem with some people using an automatic transmission while others don't ? Isn't this just a preference ? Isn't brake balance just a preference ? How come everybody doesn't have to race from the same camera viewpoint ? Isn't your bumper cam and my cockpit view just a preference ? I think you guys are just getting a little carried away

 

[kcheeb]

I think you guys are just getting a little carried away

With respect to brake balance I concur

 

[DrKronin]

I don't like it.

I don't feel like I gain a particular advantage having adjusted brake balance, I only feel like I'm gaining stability and control (at the likely loss of turn-in or trail braking). My car is certainly not stopping any faster than anyone else's.

To me, that stability and control you're talking about is an advantage. I would rather not feel like I have to spend an extra hour each week making sure that the BB is set optimally for the 2 new combos. For whatever reason, I suck at tuning. I only have about an hour per week to practice the new combos so I would obviously prefer to keep it as simple as possible.

But that's just my completely selfish perspective on this. I do see where you're coming from, and if I had unlimited time (or at least more), I would probably rather have it your way, because some of the cars we run (the recent Maserati comes to mind) really can use some help in the balance department.

 

[ANFD]

To me, that stability and control you're talking about is an advantage. I would rather not feel like I have to spend an extra hour each week making sure that the BB is set optimally for the 2 new combos. For whatever reason, I suck at tuning. I only have about an hour per week to practice the new combos so I would obviously prefer to keep it as simple as possible.

But that's just my completely selfish perspective on this. I do see where you're coming from, and if I had unlimited time (or at least more), I would probably rather have it your way, because some of the cars we run (the recent Maserati comes to mind) really can use some help in the balance department.

By that logic, none of us should practice then as that gives us an advantage