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I say keep the qualifying if you want, just drop the extra point.
HandlebarFor simplicity, I'd go with:
10 min qualifying to set grid for race #1.
Race #1 - grid is slowest to fastest.
Races 2-6 - reverse grid based on last race results.
How about this? If someone is failing to follow the qualifying rules and a complaint is raised they go on probation for their next race night. If they get a complaint while on probation they must sit out all qualifying on their next race night.
Any thoughts?
I say keep the qualifying if you want, just drop the extra point.
This is madness. We don't need to have the hassle of changing the entire night's procedure that's worked for almost a year just because someone at PD fixed the wind in freerun. Learn how to qualify effectively and all these problems will go away.
Qualifying is 10 minutes, usually enough time for 4-6 hot laps. Give up your out lap and maybe your first timed lap (as tires aren't optimal yet) to get room on the track to run the remaining qualifying laps.
If you had a buffer around you starting your qualifying, and you find later on that you don't, either you messed up somewhere and your lap isn't going to be quicker anyways, or someone is much faster than you and has caught you, which means getting the draft behind you isn't beneficial because you being in front of him is slowing you down.
If we can get more used to having to be spatially aware during qualifying as well as during a race, we don't need to have this discussion and try to change what doesn't need to be changed.
If you guys really want a "fix" to the "advantage" of draft and you are the lead car, move over a lane on the straight, and implement a rule saying that intentional draft in qualy is illegal, but make it the lead car's responsibility to move the following car out of the draft since some won't care about another drafting, and some will.
What you're saying is that you'd rather have your starting position decided at random than deal with the element of risk that comes inherent to qualifying multiple cars at once.
As far as longer races go, we have a SNAIL affiliated endurance series if you're into that kind of thing.
any longer and we open up a whole can of worms involving pit stops, drivers sandbagging to save their tires, lapped traffic, and the difficulty of focusing for extended periods of time late at night.
Plus things would suck even more for the backmarkers if they had to run for 20 minutes by themselves instead of 10.
I'm just warning everyone that if they make a rash call on this issue, the quality of RACING (this league is about racing, qualifying is just an extra) could suffer.
Oshawa-JoeI have to practice for a few hours each week just to keep up in D2.
Hello all,
I'd like to join your group here... Seems like a great thing you have going on.
Thanks,
Josh
Naptown25rs (NCemtB)
Send drivers out one at a time at 10 second intervals for qualifying. Everyone gets their out lap and one timed lap and then you pull off the track. There's enough gap to keep drivers away from one another and it could easily be done within the ten minutes allotted for qualifying even if it had to be done in two groups.
It's just another though I had.
Send drivers out one at a time at 10 second intervals for qualifying. Everyone gets their out lap and one timed lap and then you pull off the track. There's enough gap to keep drivers away from one another and it could easily be done within the ten minutes allotted for qualifying even if it had to be done in two groups.
It's just another though I had.
Heavy breathing and over-reaching analogies aside...
I can see the benefit of running some of the qualifying laps, if you hadn't run them before. I see the benefit of having slightly longer races to increase the possible patience factor for timely passing. Spelling out what is expected in qualifying is good, but not very easy to enforce.
As for drawbacks, I also know the pain of running in D-F-Last for an entire race. Even starting in a reverse grid, one shove on your rear quarterpanel, even accidentally, and you're sightseeing... once again, as Outlaw alluded to. Making it 20 minutes of sightseeing would be more than I would want to bear, especially several times a night.
(I truly enjoy being able to have these discussions, and how seldom they devolve below 'discussions of ideas'. Is this really on the internet?)
The PTB has spoken:tup:Rather than reply to everyone's posts on these topics, I'm just going to reply to Handlebar's since he does a nice job summarizing some of the thoughts and ideas that have been expressed this morning.
First or all, I don't believe we should change the qualifying process just because there is a small percentage of drivers who don't understand the proper etiquette yet. And although I encourage everyone to follow this process if they have a complaint about qualifying, it would be even better if the complaining were done during (or even before) the qualifying.
Since Kaz and Co decided to grace us with the gift known as 2.08, we've not had a one single qualifying/drafting issue in D3. I think part of the reason for this is because I am on the mic at the beginning of each round sounding like a broken record and reminding everyone of the correct qualifying etiquette over and over. Here are some of the things that I say:
- "Everyone space out immediately after exiting pit row. Don't wait until the end of your outlap to space out - that will just cause everyone to get bunched up at the start of the qualifying laps. Space out right now!"
- "Be sure to give the person in front of you about a 10 second cushion (slightly less if it's a shorter track). Hey you! That's not much of a cushion!"
- "If you pull up behind someone during qualifying because because you didn't give them enough cushion to begin with, it's YOUR fault! It doesn't matter that you're a second faster per lap, it's YOUR fault for not giving the proper cushion to begin with. You need to hit the brakes and ruin your qualifying lap. Hopefully, you learn a lesson and and will give the proper cushion next time."
- "If you have an off or a shortcut penalty or are slowed down for whatever reason and it has resulted in someone pulling behind you and potentially into your draft, it's YOUR fault! You need to pull off the driving line and wait for an opening where there's enough room for you to resume your qualifying."
Ask anyone in D3 and they'll tell you they've heard these quotes almost verbatim week after week. I would like to ask every director or steward to make sure things like this are repeated at the beginning of each round. After a while, it might not be necessary to repeat this over and over. However, since everyone is still learning this new process, it's not a bad idea to over-communicate our expectations on the matter.
As far as removing qualifying in favor of slightly longer races, I don't like the idea because I think it the qualifying sessions improve the quality of racing during the actual races. They give everyone ten minutes to familiarize themselves with the combo if they haven't had a chance to practice it yet, or re-familiarize themselves with it if they've practiced it, but just need a quick refresher - especially at the end of the night when they have completely different combos on their mind. IMO, eliminating the ten minutes to qualify/practice before each round would result in a much higher number of first laps offs and drastic decrease in side-by side or bumper-to-bumper racing.
Congratz Danger
but 1 question.. why veloci won prize A if danger also have 97 points.. how did you decided in there?
The Qualifying is great for each race. The problem is to many people in a or each division. I (or my 2 cents) is that there should be a room with 6 to 8 racers. If I won the first race then I would be starting in 6th or 8th place whitch would be a rider per lap to win the second race. You could have a Division, class group. Ex: D3A or D3B. The A group would be the top 6 in points and B the rest. To many people in a room with a small track is just asking for trouble...Just my opionion...