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[Vol Jbolaz]

You can break them in overnight in B-Spec.

Then I have to run the drivers some more to fix their orange arrow. Eh. I'm not complaining, but I'm not going to stress over engine break in. Again, those with more time will have the car in better shape. Again, I'm casual.

Also, I don't mind if the tougher combos stick. It should lead to an overall improvement in the skill of the group, regardless of their Division. Improvement through challenge and all of that.

But it is improvement through two hours of driving by myself. At that point, why do it on Sunday night, which isn't an easy night for me to make. If I'm going to drive by myself, then I'll just do that on another night.

 

[M1SS-D3V10US]

MISS and MOPAR, wicked fast on Autumn ring, I didn't have a chance to break in my cars, apparently it makes a huge difference, you two were "out-of-sight" in a matter of 2-3 laps. Love that combination though, S2000 on Autumn ring.

Thank you, Mopar and I have been practicing and have offered help to anyone looking to be faster on this and other tracks. The car has just enough torque to get the rear-end to step-out if given too much throttle too soon. The turns of the track are technical enough to force you to take the turn correctly or pay the price for it. Tire choice (based on PP value of car) means you need to be let the car do a little sliding to be fast, but keep the car on a short leash she get away from you - let she did to me in race 2, lap 6, last turn - I let my car run a little too wide and I just caught the rumble strip and then the grass on the exit of this turn, and it spun around, slide across track and hit the wall to driver's right. At the risk of sounding snooty, I'm glad I found this car and track combo.

I think 24hr notice is reasonable. Let me give my 1 week notice (sorta). My wife and I are expecting our first child sometime this week or next. I predict that I may miss a race or two in the coming weeks, but rest assured I'll give a 24hr notice when the race approaches.

I think that is very reasonable. These events do not happen on their own, they need people to organize them so things run smoothly. 24 hours is exactly what I was thinking as well. Nice Call Zer0!! 👍

Zer0:
With that being said, if I point out something. This may NOT reduce the scrambling that happens on Sunday prior to the races. You may get some people who will cover there position by giving absent notices when they realize they might not be able to attend the Sunday races because they thought they saw a could over the horizon or some other "random" excuse and then you get a last minute "All Clear - I'm able to race with you guys" from these same people. I know it's childish, but you have to admit it's possible. This will still create the same jumbling of drivers for the divisions you are facing now and trying to avoid. To avoid that from happening, you may also want to consider a time limit (maybe the same 24 hours or 12 hours maybe?) for anyone who may get their schedule cleared to race.

Just a thought.

Props to Diabolic for running the D1 event, and for Zero for his continued dedication to this league, much appreciated.👍

Yes!!! Thank You to everyone working behind the scenes to make these events work. 👍 👍

 

[spooble]

I've been searching a bit on this but still don't quite get it.

Since I tried to race last night with the PS3 plugged directly into the modem (no router was involved) would making any DMZ or port forwarding changes actually improve anything for next time?

It depends on if your modem is actually a modem or a router. When your PS3 is plugged directly in, look at it's network settings and see what it's IP is. If it's 192.168.x.x, then your modem is really a router and DMZ/Port forwarding could help. (One or the other. If you put PS3 in DMZ, you don't need to forward ports). If the PS3 has an actually live internet IP, then your modem is a modem and the DMZ stuff shouldn't make a difference.

 

[Rallywagon]

dmz? theres a demilitarized zone for the ps3? Oh man, I know I know. I should do stand up.

Vol, and subsequently, Zero as well. I actually thought it was funny to see the vote results. In d1 and d2, 1 won (well, actually, that would a a loss) the vote by a large majority. This is the Brera HSR combo. God awful slow car that it is. Yet in d3 2 won nearly unanimously. Which is the s2000 AR combo. I had a blast driving that combo. Probably the best of the three last night. I think the Difference, and maybe the "problem" that Vol is seeing, is that the drivers in the higher division want to keep the fast, better driving s2000, but want to get rid of that brick of poo Brera. while the d3 drivers voted out the tail happy, hard to drive s2000, and keep the more solid, stable, slow, brera.
I dont see a real issue though. the vote was fair and square. 1 lost. see ya bye 1!

 

[JLBowler]

Don't give me any special allowances because of my finish. I was involved in a couple of racing incidents in the first two races that took me out of contention for a win. They were in fact just racing incidents but it still led to me being a little hot under the collar. I made the decision to ride around in the back of the pack and hope I would be able to do the bare minimum to stay in Div. 1. If I didn't do enough then I deserve to be moved down.

 

[Apmaddock]

Then I have to run the drivers some more to fix their orange arrow. Eh. I'm not complaining, but I'm not going to stress over engine break in. Again, those with more time will have the car in better shape. Again, I'm casual.

You seem determined, but for what it's worth, you don't actually have to win to break the car in. You just have to run it. Your drivers will drive the car with an orange arrow and put on just as many miles as with the blue or green. You're not going to break their spirits and make them leave you for Roush Racing or anything.

 

[Rallywagon]

I would leave for roush racing, just saying...

 

[diabolicwyvern]

Everyone votes except the podium in D1 so it truly is a majority decision. I cannot think of a more fair way to eliminate a combination. That being said, next week will be the 4th with the Leggera, tying the Spirit at indy road course i believe. Although both were my selections, i know, you're welcome guys and gals, I'm hoping to sway folks to voting for that one so that it doesn't become stale.

Maybe if we could find a way to automate which combo is chosen? 1 and 2, then 2 and 3, then 3 and 1, rinse and repeat. we'd race no combo more than twice.

thoughts? (I do realize this removes rewards for podium finishes and we might lose some competitiveness)

The other solution, mentioned last night would be giving the D2/D3 driver the choice of prizes as well. But what's to stop people from sandbagging a night to hop down a level they can win easily. I trust we're better than that, but then again add a cyborg...

I trust only the numbers.

0101 1010 10101 01 10

 

[Rallywagon]

well, that didnt work, drat. GTP, you need to get more smileys!

 

[Infinital-NG]

First off I work IT as Network/System Administrator for a small POS company that manages over 100 stores in our area. Not saying I know everything, but here's some things to consider.

If your modem is a modem, then usually there isn't an option for DMZ. The ISP would determine what ports would be blocked. Generally those would be server type ports (email, web site) things that like. If you are on DSL then most times their DSL Modem functions as a router as well. Depends on what your IP address your PS3 is getting, as someone said before. If it's not 192.168.x.x, 10.x.x.x, or 172.x.x.x then your modem is being just a modem. Someone mentioned that earlier, but I think they just said the 192.168 (which is the most common one.)

I can't find a definite answer online as to which ports to open. Some of results list different ports.

DMZ in general should be a last case resort. You have to remember that when you DMZ a device ALL PORTS are open to that device. It's a bit dangerous as some hacker could find an exploit on the PS3 hardware using a random port that isn't documented. Granted it seems to be what most people on GTP say to do, but I wouldn't.

However, since it's unsure what ports are supposed to be open DMZ is a good choice.

I will try something tonight with my laptop, PS3, and Wireshark. I'll connect into an online race using wifi that my laptop is hosting. With wireshark I'll be able to see what ports the PS3 is using.

It would be better to just open the ports needed than to give free reign to all ports.

@Apmaddock

What NAT type are you getting when you look in the network settings on your PS3? Hooked up straight to the modem you should get a NAT1, otherwise if your are at a NAT2 you should be fine in that aspect.

What is your setup Apmaddock? What Modem type do you have, specifically what model is it. Whose your ISP? Do you live in the city or out in a rural area? Do you experience internet problems outside of the PS3, downloading large files or playing other online games?

Go to speedtest.net and do some tests. Run it several times making sure you are connecting to the same server each time. Are you up/down rates staying relatively the same or close enough. Is that Up/Down speed close to what your ISP says you should be getting? How does your network cable from PS3 to Router/Modem look? Any kinks/frays in the wire? Sometimes it can be as simple as a bad wire.

@Back to SNAIL Stuff

I voted to eliminate Autumn Ring, because I can't stand that track. Like the s2000, just hate that track.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

Everyone votes except the podium in D1 so it truly is a majority decision. I cannot think of a more fair way to eliminate a combination. That being said, next week will be the 4th with the Leggera, tying the Spirit at indy road course i believe. Although both were my selections, i know, you're welcome guys and gals, I'm hoping to sway folks to voting for that one so that it doesn't become stale.

It depends on how you define fair. Again... the poorest drivers will always, always, always have to run tracks picked by the good drivers. There will never be a point at which drivers like me will ever pick anything. So... it is only fair in that we can try to vote them down.

Again, not sure why the three divisions run the same combos.

As to the 3rd Round, that car is crazy easy to drive, particularly since it is on racing tires. I will admit that the Daytona road course is poor in that it was an after thought, it isn't too technical. It just has some very long brake zones.

 

[diabolicwyvern]

Don't give me any special allowances because of my finish. I was involved in a couple of racing incidents in the first two races that took me out of contention for a win. They were in fact just racing incidents but it still led to me being a little hot under the collar. I made the decision to ride around in the back of the pack and hope I would be able to do the bare minimum to stay in Div. 1. If I didn't do enough then I deserve to be moved down.

I'm glad you're taking it in stride, but regretful I had misinformation about relegation process. I assumed you were safe, so I do apologize if that's not the case. I offered to take your place if moved, but my gut is you'll turn that down which I respect.

Garris, I edited my last post with suggestions. Do you prefer either of those compared with or current system

 

[Apmaddock]

It depends on if your modem is actually a modem or a router. When your PS3 is plugged directly in, look at it's network settings and see what it's IP is. If it's 192.168.x.x, then your modem is really a router and DMZ/Port forwarding could help. (One or the other. If you put PS3 in DMZ, you don't need to forward ports). If the PS3 has an actually live internet IP, then your modem is a modem and the DMZ stuff shouldn't make a difference.

That makes sense.

...and it looks like I've got a modem that's actually a router, if you will. Unfortunately I can't get into the interface to change any of the settings, as it is password protected by my ISP. I may consider calling them about an upload speed increase, as that seems to be my weakest link (showing 350 kbps on the PS3 right now.)

 

[Rallywagon]

Baah, thats the prize man, thats the drive to drive better. Wanna pick the track, win. wanna win. turn cyborg? IDK, Im going to guess, that for a while at least, we can expect the same 3, maybe 4 drivers to pick the combos.

 

[Apmaddock]

@Apmaddock

What NAT type are you getting when you look in the network settings on your PS3? Hooked up straight to the modem you should get a NAT1, otherwise if your are at a NAT2 you should be fine in that aspect.

What is your setup Apmaddock? What Modem type do you have, specifically what model is it. Whose your ISP? Do you live in the city or out in a rural area? Do you experience internet problems outside of the PS3, downloading large files or playing other online games?

Go to speedtest.net and do some tests. Run it several times making sure you are connecting to the same server each time. Are you up/down rates staying relatively the same or close enough. Is that Up/Down speed close to what your ISP says you should be getting? How does your network cable from PS3 to Router/Modem look? Any kinks/frays in the wire? Sometimes it can be as simple as a bad wire.

Okay. A more detailed report:

The modem is from AirOS or Ubiquiti. (It says AirOS when you log in to it but says Ubiquiti on the back.) I found the default username and password but they have been changed by my ISP.

I live in a rural area where internet connections are sourced off of a nearby grain elevator. Thankfully I live fairly close to it, so it is easy to connect with. I recently upgraded my service from 2G to 4G which has substantially improved the stability of my connection, as well as my speed. I used to drop the PSN all of the time but do so only very rarely, now. I get 5.4 Mbps download and 350 kbps upload with a ping of around 10 most every time, testing from PS3 or computer.

I get NAT Type 2 whether I am directly connecting my PS3 to the "modem" or through another router, made by Freedom 9. This is an older router but was originally in use in an office and has proven to be fast and quite robust. I lose no appreciably speed through the router.

My ISP is small and quite easy to work with, and I'm sure that I could get them to open ports for me if I asked (I actually tried that before with the 2G system trying to get NAT Type 2 from Type 3) so that's worth a shot. Alternately, I could shell out a few more bucks for increased upload speed and their "business" service. I work from home so it's not a stretch to justify that.

I'll never move to the city, but when it comes to the internet I wish I had those types of conveniences.

Over the past 6 years I've been all over the place trying internet connection.

Dial-up: That didn't last long for obvious reasons.

Satellite internet: That was terrible. Gaming was near-impossible due to the nature of how it works (sending data in "pulses" rather than smoothly and constantly), and my connection would drop occasionally for extended periods of time and no known reason. At least dial-up was stable.

2G Service: Better that satellite but I constantly had to reset the modem to get my connection back (at least weekly, sometimes several times per day). This would also take a long time to find certain web pages, and displayed others incorrectly, making some pages (Apple and ebay, notably) basically impossible to use. This service also dropped the PSN after just minutes of connection. To get a system update of any size downloaded on the PSN I had to pray that it would stay connected long enough to get the whole thing in one bite, or else I had to try it all over again from the beginning.

4G: This is the best so far and by far, but I'm obviously still having issues.

Thanks for all of your help. This league is exactly my style of racing, and I'm going to be seriously bummed if I have to walk away from it.

 

[leadbedr]

Baah, thats the prize man, thats the drive to drive better. Wanna pick the track, win. wanna win. turn cyborg? IDK, Im going to guess, that for a while at least, we can expect the same 3, maybe 4 drivers to pick the combos.

While I agree with that. I also think letting the other division winners get some glory is also a good idea. Just something to think about down the road.


As far as the voting goes. All week I was ready to vote off the Brera, but I liked that race the best last night.
I like the S2000, but not autum ring. So i voted for more of a track change than a car change.


I think that is very reasonable. These events do not happen on their own, they need people to organize them so things run smoothly. 24 hours is exactly what I was thinking as well. Nice Call Zer0!!

Zer0:
With that being said, if I point out something. This may NOT reduce the scrambling that happens on Sunday prior to the races. You may get some people who will cover there position by giving absent notices when they realize they might not be able to attend the Sunday races because they thought they saw a could over the horizon or some other "random" excuse and then you get a last minute "All Clear - I'm able to race with you guys" from these same people. I know it's childish, but you have to admit it's possible. This will still create the same jumbling of drivers for the divisions you are facing now and trying to avoid. To avoid that from happening, you may also want to consider a time limit (maybe the same 24 hours or 12 hours maybe?) for anyone who may get their schedule cleared to race.

Just a thought.

I think you will be able to figure out real quick who is doing this pretty quick and not let the same people give an excuse week after week.

I agree with the 24 hour notice to miss and a 12 hour to set the divisions up.

 

[Infinital-NG]

@Apmaddock

You say grain elevator, is this a wireless service? or do you have a hard-wired line to the grain elevator?

 

[Apmaddock]

Oh, a couple more answers. I should really look at the post I'm responding to when I'm answering it.

I believe I am paying for a 6 Mbps download and around 360 kbps upload. So I'm getting pretty close to that, really.

I don't have any issues with the internet, otherwise. It's really very smooth and consistent. I don't play many other games online, either. So I'm afraid that I don't have anything else to judge from.

One thing I've thought of: Even if we get this figured out on my end, the other guys who I couldn't see/couldn't see me may continue to have a problem on their end.


It's a wireless service.

 

[Hogster-iR]

I know I'm new here so please advise me if I'm off the mark.

Maybe I'm making the wrong assumption, but isn't the reason for racing multiple divisions to ensure that the drivers are competing with others at their own skill level (more or less)?

If that's so, and especially with so many drivers, it seems to me that all the moving around is a bunch of work for little or nothing. I certainly understand wanting to move up in the ranks, but moving up one week only to be moved back the next seems silly.

Why would D1 not be 16 drivers (unless lag is that big of an issue) every week? Giving a notice of absence would not be an advantage except that said driver can't be demoted (as I understand the current arrangements) and would only make for a smaller field in the D1 races (as his spot would not be filled by another driver moving up from a lower division). The shuffling of drivers would still take place and repeated absences would be of no benefit to the absent driver (except to avoid an unsuitable car/track combo- which would be lame).

The remaining lot of drivers are then divided in half between the other divisions, right?

Is there some sort of formula or protocol for determining how many drivers get moved around in each division? I've been trying to come up with something that would score drivers together, regardless of division, that would account for all drivers starting and finishing positions, which would aid in determining if ANY driver should be moved. Obviously if a particular driver is dominating his/her division, they should be advanced (and the converse is also true). But again, bouncing up and down seems likely in the current format, even if unnecessary.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

dmz? theres a demilitarized zone for the ps3? Oh man, I know I know. I should do stand up.

Vol, and subsequently, Zero as well. I actually thought it was funny to see the vote results. In d1 and d2, 1 won (well, actually, that would a a loss) the vote by a large majority. This is the Brera HSR combo. God awful slow car that it is. Yet in d3 2 won nearly unanimously. Which is the s2000 AR combo. I had a blast driving that combo. Probably the best of the three last night. I think the Difference, and maybe the "problem" that Vol is seeing, is that the drivers in the higher division want to keep the fast, better driving s2000, but want to get rid of that brick of poo Brera. while the d3 drivers voted out the tail happy, hard to drive s2000, and keep the more solid, stable, slow, brera.
I dont see a real issue though. the vote was fair and square. 1 lost. see ya bye 1!

I think we were voting against the drift track more so than the car. We wanted to keep the only race last night that was at all close.

The problem isn't the vote. The problem is, the good drivers get to pick what replaces it. Meaning they are more likely to put in more Autumn Rings. The good drivers probably race close on several different tracks, or are more concerned with winning. I don't care about winning, I just don't want to drive alone for two hours.

 

[M1SS-D3V10US]

Baah, thats the prize man, thats the drive to drive better. Wanna pick the track, win. wanna win. turn cyborg? IDK, Im going to guess, that for a while at least, we can expect the same 3, maybe 4 drivers to pick the combos.

I have been thinking that IF I were to win Prize A or B again, I would ask all but Div 1 drivers for suggestions for a car and/or track. I have decided to change the track and keep the S2000.

If there are no objections from the powers that be, I will ask you to make you suggestions now, and I'll pick a track you suggest. If the powers that be say no, I have a track already selected, but I really would like to give a voice to the other divisions.

 

[M1SS-D3V10US]

Maybe if we could find a way to automate which combo is chosen? 1 and 2, then 2 and 3, then 3 and 1, rinse and repeat. we'd race no combo more than twice.

thoughts? (I do realize this removes rewards for podium finishes and we might lose some competitiveness)

Here are my thought, if anyone is interested. Prize C is good and all, but I know I don't need any new cars, I have them all, including the DLC. Maybe give the current Prize C to the overall Div 2 and/or Div 3 winners, not only are you getting promoted, [announcer voice] You've Won A Shinny New Car!!![/announcer voice] If we did that, then a new Prize C would need to be created.

Maybe the Prizes A,B & C need to be given more thought. Diabolic's idea listed above is a nice idea, but it takes the perk out of winning, like he said. Maybe that idea of your should a Prize A prize (jumble the car and track combos) and then the current A becomes the new B and the current B becomes the new C? So if the Div 1 winner were to pick Prize B and then his/her selection is safe but the other combinations would get jumbled. This would still allow Prize C winner to change a car or track of his/her choice.

Any thoughts?

 

[leadbedr]

I have been thinking that IF I were to win Prize A or B again, I would ask all but Div 1 drivers for suggestions for a car and/or track. I have decided to change the track and keep the S2000.

If there are no objections from the powers that be, I will ask you to make you suggestions now, and I'll pick a track you suggest. If the powers that be say no, I have a track already selected, but I really would like to give a voice to the other divisions.

Good idea. Thanks for including everyone.👍

 

[Handlebar]

I don't care about winning, I just don't want to drive alone for two hours.

That hurts - it's accurate, but it hurts. I was sometimes in his rear view mirror. Maybe a little speck, but I was there!

I understand the general gist of the point, I think. We want to learn. High skill tracks plus a high skill car on it, was a challenge that I failed to master.

I don't think the beef is over D1 getting to choose - they won! - I think it's over having a course/car combo that doesn't challenge, but exceeds new drivers current skill level to the point where you don't come close to finishing races.

And yes, I ran my cars 9 hours overnight on Tsukuba, and practiced. All of them.

When do we get to usually find out next week's combos?

 

[Infinital-NG]

Oh, a couple more answers. I should really look at the post I'm responding to when I'm answering it.

I believe I am paying for a 6 Mbps download and around 360 kbps upload. So I'm getting pretty close to that, really.

I don't have any issues with the internet, otherwise. It's really very smooth and consistent. I don't play many other games online, either. So I'm afraid that I don't have anything else to judge from.

One thing I've thought of: Even if we get this figured out on my end, the other guys who I couldn't see/couldn't see me may continue to have a problem on their end.


It's a wireless service.

What about if you watch something on Hulu or Netflix? Do you experience connectivity problems with those types of services? The speedtest doesn't take very long, and it could be your getting your paid for data rate, but the consistency isn't there and that's causing the problem.

What happens when downloading a large file? Does your data rate stay pretty constant or does if fluctuate?

I know your not going to like my answer, but it sounds as the wireless service from the grain elevator to your house is the problem. You said you were close to the grain elevator. How close?

My parents live in the country and had a similar wireless setup as they cannot get DSL/Cable. The service worked ok for web browsing, but I was there house-sitting and decided to play battlefield heroes and the lag was bad enough i couldn't play. I don't remember what up/down rates they were getting, but it was the only reason i could come up with to why I experienced such bad online play.

 

[kcheeb]

If that's so, and especially with so many drivers, it seems to me that all the moving around is a bunch of work for little or nothing. I certainly understand wanting to move up in the ranks, but moving up one week only to be moved back the next seems silly.

It serves a few purposes:

1. A way for new drivers (whom we don't know their skill level) to advance to the correct Division.
2. A reward, or some may say reality check, for drivers who have done well in a particular week to test out their abilities.
3. Motivation to improve your skills to either move up or not move down.

Why would D1 not be 16 drivers (unless lag is that big of an issue) every week?

It is a lag/bug issue. The magic number seems to be 12 before the online bug occurs. Lag can happen at anytime and is dependent primarily on connection speeds.

Giving a notice of absence would not be an advantage except that said driver can't be demoted (as I understand the current arrangements) and would only make for a smaller field in the D1 races (as his spot would not be filled by another driver moving up from a lower division). The shuffling of drivers would still take place and repeated absences would be of no benefit to the absent driver (except to avoid an unsuitable car/track combo- which would be lame).

This was introduced as a courtesy for drivers who can't make it one week. We usually fill that spot with a driver from a lower division, so the numbers remain fairly consistent in Div 1 and Div2, 12 to 13. Div 3 depends on how many new drivers we get and who can and can't make it that week.

The remaining lot of drivers are then divided in half between the other divisions, right?

The drivers we currently have are already in Divisions, the only movement between Divisions is done via Relegation/Promotion or filling an empty spot because someone can't make it that week.

Is there some sort of formula or protocol for determining how many drivers get moved around in each division? I've been trying to come up with something that would score drivers together, regardless of division, that would account for all drivers starting and finishing positions, which would aid in determining if ANY driver should be moved. Obviously if a particular driver is dominating his/her division, they should be advanced (and the converse is also true). But again, bouncing up and down seems likely in the current format, even if unnecessary.

By dominating your division, you will move up, given the current setup. We're currently discussing what shape that setup will be. Currently on the table, from a pure Relegation/Promotion perspective are:

Option 1.
Bottom 2 for the week from Div 1 go to Div 2.
Top 2 for the week from Div 2 go to Div 1.
Bottom 2 for the week from Div 2 go to Div 3.
Top 2 for the week from Div 3 go to Div 2.

Option 2.
Bottom 1 for the week from Div 1 goes to Div 2.
Top 1 for the week from Div 2 goes to Div 1.
Bottom 1 for the week from Div 2 goes to Div 3.
Top 1 for the week from Div 3 goes to Div 2.

Option 3.
Bottom 1 for the week from Div 1 goes to Div 2.
Top 1 for the week from Div 2 goes to Div 1.
Bottom 2 for the week from Div 2 go to Div 3.
Top 2 for the week from Div 3 go to Div 2.

Any new drivers to the group, will always start in Division 3.

Took me so long to type this out, I'm guessing I'm going to be mega ninja'd

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

Wanted to say sorry to the dive 2 guys. I was coming up on the short back straight on AR and got disconnected. Then when I tried to rejoin my PS3 froze. I didn't want to risk causing room problems so I just satayed out. dvdoughboy sent me a message asking if there was an incident but there was not.

You do know you can use your B-spec drivers to break the cars in, right? One endurance race each is enough. I think I used the Laguna race for my Amuse, the 4 hour Nurburgring for the Brera, and the Grand Valley 300 for my S2000.

My cars break in just during regular practice. it only takes about 50 miles and an oil change. When I tune cars for a specific pp for online racing, it keeps climbing and I have to keep dropping the power but it stops after about 30 laps. I think the enduros are a bit over kill.

 

[M1SS-D3V10US]

Is there some sort of formula or protocol for determining how many drivers get moved around in each division? I've been trying to come up with something that would score drivers together, regardless of division, that would account for all drivers starting and finishing positions, which would aid in determining if ANY driver should be moved. Obviously if a particular driver is dominating his/her division, they should be advanced (and the converse is also true). But again, bouncing up and down seems likely in the current format, even if unnecessary.

I had made the suggestion 2 weeks ago that all new drivers to SNAIL should have to run a car and track combo that all drivers would need to "qualify" lap times would determine which division you would be assigned. The current drivers could simply use their race times from any one of the 6 races from the last night of racing ( which is being provided by kcheeb) This would give the "New Comers" a competitive race in their first week. This idea was rejected based on the majority of this group like the current model.

 

[kcheeb]

The problem is, the good drivers get to pick what replaces it.

In days gone by, when I got to make a couple of choices, I agonized over the options. I didn't take it lightly. I viewed it as making a decision that was going to affect the level of enjoyment of everyone. Felt a little daunting, to be honest.

I don't know if our current winners feel the same way, but I suspect to at least a degree they do.

I realize it's not a life or death decision that's being made, but it does affect 30+ peoples gaming experience.

 

[kcheeb]

I had made the suggestion 2 weeks ago that all new drivers to SNAIL should have to run a car and track combo that all drivers would need to "qualify" lap times would determine which division you would be assigned. The current drivers could simply use their race times from any one of the 6 races from the last night of racing ( which is being provided by kcheeb) This would give the "New Comers" a competitive race in their first week. This idea was rejected based on the majority of this group like the current model.

If I remember correctly, it was also rejected on the basis of whose spot would they be taking. If our sweet spot is 12 drivers per Division, adding another 1, 2 or 3 to that division would require we remove 1, 2 or 3 existing drivers, who had earned their way there.

Seems like the simplest way to deal with new drivers was to have them earn their way into the correct division.

The alternative would be to risk lag/online bug by adding the new drivers to the Division they qualified for and not removing anyone.

I think we prefer not to take a chance on that.