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[qwietstorm]

"First Corner Chaos" was very evident in last night's practice. Haven't watched the replays yet, but am fairly sure I didn't get thru the mayhem without violating sound driving rules. Everyone will need extra patience and not get in such a hurry to Win the Race at Turn One. Might even prove beneficial to just wait for it all to clear ..... then concentrate on passing the other cars one at a time. Much more challenging that way.
IMHO

I assume you're talking about the Vette at Indy Road Course. If so, I agree. I slid under Worst_Driver last night on lap 2. Late braking unintentionally turned into a dive bomb. Thank goodness he had the presence of mind to let me go flying through and then turn in. I pulled over and gave the spot back to him 2 corners later and we proceeded on.

 

[racefan78]

As was said, wow, just 🤬 wow.

I third that statement. I just don't understand what's going on here Coach. You were never kicked out of this leauge, you chose to leave, and now you're sneaking back in? All the driving complaints aside, because I've never had any beef with you on the track, that's just low. It's totaly possible to turn your reputation with this leauge around (or at least it was, I don't know if you'll ever be able to bounce back from this).

Look at greenthumb, or heck look at me! Greenthumb was nearly kicked out, but he saw the error in his ways, and now he's a SNAIL model citizen (aside from the occasional thread outburst). And back in my first run with SNAIL I left the same way you did, because I thought the penalty system was too strict. But I came back the right way, learned to play by the rules, and look where I am now (greenthumb too), division 1!

I don't know what you hoped to gain from this ploy, but I think the overwhelming negative response shows you haven't acheived it.

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

I third that statement. I just don't understand what's going on here Coach. You were never kicked out of this leauge, you chose to leave, and now you're sneaking back in? All the driving complaints aside, because I've never had any beef with you on the track, that's just low. It's totaly possible to turn your reputation with this leauge around (or at least it was, I don't know if you'll ever be able to bounce back from this).

Look at greenthumb, or heck look at me! Greenthumb was nearly kicked out, but he saw the error in his ways, and now he's a SNAIL model citizen (aside from the occasional thread outburst). And back in my first run with SNAIL I left the same way you did, because I thought the penalty system was too strict. But I came back the right way, learned to play by the rules, and look where I am now (greenthumb too), division 1!

I don't know what you hoped to gain from this ploy, but I think the overwhelming negative response shows you haven't acheived it.

Thanks racefan for put what the fact is about me now in 2013 and not blaming me on my bad moments. This league made me understand, im not the only guy who want to have fun, I have to think for the group of racers before me.

 

[racefan78]

Thanks racefan for put what the fact is about me now in 2013 and not blaming me on my bad moments. This league made me understand, im not the only guy who want to have fun, I have to think for the group of racers before me.

No problem man, it's always a pleasure racing with you 👍

 

[DrKronin]

Yep. That's me.
The Rant: I felt like I was getting nitpicked for minor things. I felt attacked on several occasions. I felt as though when I was rear-ended or there was contact by another driver, it was always justified on their behalf. So I had finally had it when I got a warning for "following too close".

GT: I created this for a fresh start with no history and no mis-guided reputation. GT is who I am as a person and a racer. I meant every compliment I've said about this organization. I feel I have been able to show some people here, over the last two weeks who I truly am and what I can do as a competitive racer here. Over the last two weeks I felt like I was part of the community.

All you've really managed to show was that your aggressive driving stands out so clearly that we almost immediately identified you as the same person. You weren't picked on. Just as with your first paragraph I quoted here, your first response to any critique of your driving was almost always some variation of "but, so and so did it too!" You never think anything is your fault, a trait of your personality that continues today. No apology for the baseless accusations that the stewards (Ap especially) treated you with unfair bias, no apology for refusing to adapt your driving per the rules of SNAIL, just this:

I would prefer to continue forward and not discuss the past. Since coming back it has been an absolutely great experience. Discussions have been positive, encouraging, and with professionalism. I would prefer to keep it that way. The past will not accomplish anything positive or productive.

The past is exactly what you need to discuss. You need to alter your attitude and behavior, and you need to apologize for the litany of lies, accusations, rants, and retaliatory behavior you have directed at other members of SNAIL if you want someone like me to be willing to drive with you again -- even outside of SNAIL. The ship may already have sailed on SNAIL itself. In short, the past is where all the lessons you need to learn reside. Your unwillingness to learn those lessons is part of why we're here right now.

After having 🤬 all over SNAIL and the stewards, the flippant, casual manner in which you admit to fabricating a false identity (an identity you created 3 days before your rant, suggesting you had planned to infiltrate under a false identity well ahead of that) so that you could again take advantage of the charity and hospitality of the people you just crapped all over, is frightening.

I hope this experience has taught you that your aggressive driving is a problem, no matter which name you use -- and no matter how good you are at the smiley glad-hand act. But I suspect you'll probably find a way to blame this on someone else, too. In my limited experience, people incapable of self-reflection rarely learn it. But I sincerely hope you do. And I hope you find some people to drive with that are a better fit than we are. Good bye and good luck.

 

[IceWarden]

Well said by all.

Moving forward do we think it's right to have him get to choose Prize A this week? I'm sure the next deserving person would love the rare opportunity to choose Prize A.

 

[JLBowler]

Well said DrKronin and others that have weighed in. I've been trying to think out a response and I don't think I could have done any better than what has already been said.

I would like to add that when someone points out an obvious issue, it's not them picking on someone. Once that person has been identified as a problem, everyone else is going to be on alert and looking for the same behaviour out of that individual. In short, if you come in as a problem, you're going to be watched closely by everyone and you'd better clean it up quickly.

Well said by all.

Moving forward do we think it's right to have him get to choose Prize A this week? I'm sure the next deserving person would love the rare opportunity to choose Prize A.

The pick has already been made and they practiced it last night and I'm sure guys have already started to acquire and break in the car. I say we call it a parting gift as he rides off into the sunset with his head held low.

 

[IceWarden]

Werd

 

[Luv2Coach]

I am truly sorry for what I have done and caused here. I think this community is a great community full of caring people. There has been a lot learned here for me, more than what you might think. Thank you for the rebuking.

I ask for forgiveness from the community with a sincere and mourning heart. I am sorry, will you forgive me for what I have done?

John 3:20-21, James 5:16, Luke 17:3

 

[qwietstorm]

Warning - The question below contains no sarcasm or malice and is not intended to start a big ruckus. It is solely intended to clarify an issue that has not been discussed as far as I can remember.

I'm not defending anyone or jumping on any bandwagons...what is the rule on following too close? How do you get a warning for doing so? Do you receive a warning when you follow too close and end up late braking which in turn takes out the driver in front of you? Or do you simply get a warning for extreme tailgating?

I ask because for example at Deep Forest in the 350Z, there aren't a lot of passing zones. In a case like that, a decent strategy is putting pressure on the driver in front of you to make a mistake by riding his bumper. No contact, just really close following. Is this frowned upon?

 

[Luv2Coach]

The pick has already been made and they practiced it last night and I'm sure guys have already started to acquire and break in the car. I say we call it a parting gift as he rides off into the sunset with his head held low.

I am not riding off. My head is low, true, but asking to be forgiven, facing this issue and not running as I did before. I was wrong for what I did.

 

[zer05ive]

I am not riding off. My head is low, true, but asking to be forgiven, facing this issue and not running as I did before. I was wrong for what I did.

Then why are you still using that secondary account?? That's a big part of the problem, but it doesn't seem like you understand that..

 

[JLBowler]

Warning - The question below contains no sarcasm or malice and is not intended to start a big ruckus. It is solely intended to clarify an issue that has not been discussed as far as I can remember.

I'm not defending anyone or jumping on any bandwagons...what is the rule on following too close? How do you get a warning for doing so? Do you receive a warning when you follow too close and end up late braking which in turn takes out the driver in front of you? Or do you simply get a warning for extreme tailgating?

I ask because for example at Deep Forest in the 350Z, there aren't a lot of passing zones. In a case like that, a decent strategy is putting pressure on the driver in front of you to make a mistake by riding his bumper. No contact, just really close following. Is this frowned upon?

If it's frowned upon then there are a lot of guys frowning at me. To me, following too close is when you are too close to avoid contact. I can follow very closely without making contact and I use this tactic quite often. I don't want to speak for all of the stewards about the warning for following too closely, but in my mind it's really more of a suggestion to avoid the situations that the warned driver has created in the past. That is just my opinion and I'm sure others have a different opinion on this issue.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

If someone has a history of tailgating resulting in bumping, pushing and diving, and and then is placed on the last chance list; then they continue to drive in the same dangerous manner. The two options are more penalties and being removed from the league. The warning was what it was... trying to get someone to smell the coffee.

 

[Luv2Coach]

Then why are you still using that secondary account?? That's a big part of the problem, but it doesn't seem like you understand that..

I had PMs and didn't know they would got to this account.

 

[DrKronin]

Warning - The question below contains no sarcasm or malice and is not intended to start a big ruckus. It is solely intended to clarify an issue that has not been discussed as far as I can remember.

I'm not defending anyone or jumping on any bandwagons...what is the rule on following too close? How do you get a warning for doing so? Do you receive a warning when you follow too close and end up late braking which in turn takes out the driver in front of you? Or do you simply get a warning for extreme tailgating?

I ask because for example at Deep Forest in the 350Z, there aren't a lot of passing zones. In a case like that, a decent strategy is putting pressure on the driver in front of you to make a mistake by riding his bumper. No contact, just really close following. Is this frowned upon?

If I'm not mistaken, the only people that have received warnings of that sort were on the "last chance" list, where they are expected to avoid contact at all cost. Drivers on that list are held to a different standard while they attempt to prove that they can drive without incident.

Additionally, a warning is just a warning. It isn't a penalty. A driver who receives one can choose to ignore it, at their peril. It's basically just the stewards telling someone that we think something they are doing is risky.

At least, that's how I see it.

Edit: ninja'd by Joe

 

[Worst_Driver]

I assume you're talking about the Vette at Indy Road Course. If so, I agree. I slid under Worst_Driver last night on lap 2. Late braking unintentionally turned into a dive bomb. Thank goodness he had the presence of mind to let me go flying through and then turn in. I pulled over and gave the spot back to him 2 corners later and we proceeded on.

That's why I love fighting with you on track. 👍 But at first I thought the pass was legit that's why I was slowing down for you.

But first corner at indy is hard. The brake markers are next to useless, so getting a consistant braking point is difficult.

 

[Wolfsatz]

That's why I love fighting with you on track. 👍 But at first I thought the pass was legit that's why I was slowing down for you.

But first corner at indy is hard. The brake markers are next to useless, so getting a consistant braking point is difficult.

They are just missing the 1st 100 meters of it... so yes.. brake a lot earlier and especially if you are under draft even MORE.

Even when I broke earlier I got sucked in this damn draft and send me into the wall brakes skidding; that is the only part of this car I do not like. Bad brakes; looks great though!

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

I tought GT5AddictGT5 was GTRacerGTplanet in my friends list on ps3 but It was not lol. Who is GT5AddictGT5.

 

[qwietstorm]

Thanks guys for the responses. Glad we were able to discuss it without someone being butt hurt about having a question posed. Just trying to make sure I keep my nose clean because I use the "tailgating" tactic whenever I need to.

That's why I love fighting with you on track. 👍 But at first I thought the pass was legit that's why I was slowing down for you.

But first corner at indy is hard. The brake markers are next to useless, so getting a consistant braking point is difficult.

No it wasn't intentional. I don't dive bomb and hate when it's done to me. I just got on the brakes a little too late and there was no where to go. If I had tried to go to the left I would have run in the back of you and forced you off so my only option was to turn right and hope you saw me coming. Once we got around the corner safely I tried to pull to the left to let you back by.

I use the end of the pit wall as a brake marker when in the draft and maybe a car length or so more when I'm alone with no draft.

 

[the2armedmen]

What the what is going on on this forum

 

[tezgm99]

What the what is going on on this forum

Earlier starting time and qwiet is rejoicing that it means Ap can't race....that's what it looks like to me anyway.

 

[Schmiggz]

OK SNAILERS... WHO WANTS A REAL JOB AT THE COOLEST PLANT IN THE WORLD?
Whenever you guys have one hour to spend, whatch this..... waaaaay worth it

http://www.youtube.com/embed/4T4vc1QqiPM?feature=player_embedded

 

[Wolfsatz]

What the what is going on on this forum

Standard SNAIL Drama!

TV Network is going to pick a reality show soon

 

[the2armedmen]

Standard SNAIL Drama!

TV Network is going to pick a reality show soon

dude wolf u crack me up sometimes. good thing im not an egg

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

Thanks guys for the responses. Glad we were able to discuss it without someone being butt hurt about having a question posed. Just trying to make sure I keep my nose clean because I use the "tailgating" tactic whenever I need to.

I think most people use that tactic, myself included. There will be rare instances where there is contact and not much happens. That's incidental I guess. If the tactic is overused to the point it's causing penalties; if you are on the last chance list and should be trying very hard to avoid contact and penalties - probably not the best tactic to be using 💡

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

Spirits lifted... Nothing like a little last minute chaos and a couple of hours behind the wheel to brighten your day!! Ok... all the Bob Ross aside, (Gonna paint me a bunny right next to turn 3...) Racing is what this is all about. Tonight's practice was a total gas. I just don't want to see the apple cart upside down in the sand or crushed into a wall. I, for one, truly enjoy (and look forward to) race nights and as lame as it sounds, following the soap opera that is SNAIL during the day really helps get me through some rough patches. I am, and always will be, flexible in regards to the needs of the league, but lets not get so carried away that we wreck something that is very unique. Just me rubbin' my Lincolns together...

You should be good for a week or more.

Dang it, sorry for the double post.

 

[TEX36]

May I raise the issue of "Honking the Horn" when close behind another driver? Since when did they start putting horns on race cars?

Is the horn telling me to get out of the way? Is it an attempt at intimidation?

In the real world of racing, which we are trying to duplicate I think, when the drivers returned to the pits ........ said horn would be placed on/in the honking driver's person. And would be thus motivated to focus more on passing than the stupid honking.

May I suggest the "Honkers" take the same suggestion? I know most of you are better drivers than I am - you will get around me, eventually. So, cut the horn wires, if you will.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I think some ds3 users hit the horn button by accident when turning.

 

[qwietstorm]

I think most people use that tactic, myself included. There will be rare instances where there is contact and not much happens. That's incidental I guess. If the tactic is overused to the point it's causing penalties; if you are on the last chance list and should be trying very hard to avoid contact and penalties - probably not the best tactic to be using 💡

Agreed.