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[DJones]

The jump is totally unpredictable. You can do the same thing and have a different result every lap. I've tried everything I can think of, matching revs, foot to the floor, lifting off completely, but there is absolutely no consistency. Sometimes it will pull left, sometimes right, sometimes straight. Gah, doesn't matter, it got the most votes.

Hit the brakes man. You'll only lose a couple miles per hour and I call that a fair trade for the solid landing you get. Watch the replays for me (panda) and you'll see what I'm talking about.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

How does everyone feel about Turn 1 of Lap 1 incidents? Do we need to put in a "No passing rule" or automatically double penalties for incidents in the first turn of the first lap? The intent would be to have everyone fall in line according to qualifying / grid position for the first turn vs this:



There would be perfectly valid reasons to pass going into T1 such as a driver ahead going off track, accidently starting in wrong gear, or having a black screen.

Just putting it out there.

 

[OwensRacing]

The gentleman racer is out the window for the most part in D1. I wouldn't call it dirty racing though. Just more hardcore and opportunistic style racing.

It is what it is. I'm really close to moving platforms so for the time being ill just keep trying to enjoy the racing. I really don't care. Just don't wreck me and not wait. That burns me up to full blown cursing tantrum. LoL obviously / hopefully I've clicked off mic.

 

[IceWarden]

I will absolutely say of the people in D1 I trust most, Owens is at the top of the list. Homey is fast, gives room and will drive WITH you as opposed to against you.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

01: S.N.A.I.L. OLR General Rules:




C:
You are expected to compete in a fair and honest manner. Fair and honest means according to the S.N.A.I.L. online racing rules, not according to your own interpretation of fair and honest.

D:
You are expected to drive responsibly in a way that’s not likely to ruin the racing enjoyment of your fellow drivers.



G:
You are expected to behave like sporting gentlemen and women at all times.

H:
The position of other drivers must always be respected.

I:
Aggressive driving is strictly prohibited.


L:
No careless driving. Always show respect for your fellow racers. Be careful. Show some patience....

M:
If you are found guilty of any of these rules, the behaviour will be evaluated and penalty assessed by the Race Stewards as per the penalty system..

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

I'm not sure why D1 has become overly aggressive; or when it happened. There is no promotion and penalties can lead to relegation. D1 drivers should be using their mad skills and creativity to pass in places other than the apex, and to avoid contact / dangerous driving.

Strangely, we don't have or get many official complaints or reported Racing Incidents from D1, so perhaps this isn't really an issue.

Because the racers racing to the border line limit of the rules without conscience. Clean racers will need to be respect and more showed like the disapear prize award for the best racecraft. Apmadock was the last 1 to get before the end of these award.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

Maybe we need to post warnings more often on the Weekly Stewards Report, but some people don't know what they mean. ( not directed at coach as he knows exactly what they mean and is showing efforts to correct)

 

[Moperlover2]

Maybe we need to post warnings more often on the Weekly Stewards Report, but some people don't know what they mean. ( not directed at coach as he knows exactly what they mean and is showing efforts to correct)

just speaking on my behalf i would welcome that

 

[dabneyd]

Hit the brakes man. You'll only lose a couple miles per hour and I call that a fair trade for the solid landing you get. Watch the replays for me (panda) and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Thanks. It's moot now though. I just need to remember to skip weeks where we're running only imaginary courses. I have no patience for them.

 

[OwensRacing]

Thanks. It's moot now though. I just need to remember to skip weeks where we're running only imaginary courses. I have no patience for them.

I'm gonna have to agree. It is a lack of time in these and the fact certain features are not really suited for racing. Sans GV the fantasy courses are not for me, well Cape inside and south isn't too bad.

 

[dabneyd]

I'm gonna have to agree. It is a lack of time in these and the fact certain features are not really suited for racing.

You mean every race track doesn't have a circular ramp? That seems like it should be on every race track along with speed bumps and spike strips!

 

[racefan78]

One of the things that causes a lot of contact in D1 I think is pressure. For me anyway, I've had a hard time adjusting to try and compete on the same level as these ultra fast guys. As I believe it was qwiet mentioned earlier, once you make a mistake, there's no coming back and making passes, the pace is to high for that. I found myself last night several times caught in a desprate situation where I was trying to hold off a faster driver, and even though I made an error I couldn't afford to back out and let him have the spot, because then I'd loose 3 or 4 more. Sometimes there was contact, not because anyone was being agressive, but simply because there were too many cars going too fast too close together. I don't know if there's anything that can really be done about that, because I know I'm not just gonna just roll over and let the fast guys pass me, but at the same time they aren't gonna hold back and wait when I'm 2 seconds a lap slower than they are.

 

[Worst_Driver]

Anytime I see some talking about agressive driving in D1 I feel sort of concerned.
I don't know if I'm driving aggressively, only thing I know is that I can be too much of an opportunist sometimes. I try to give space and brake earlier when I'm behind someone and if I divebomb it's by mistake.

I'm open to constructive criticism from D1 guys and general review of my racecraft just to be sure and if I'm doing something wrong, I'll have an idea of what to correct.

From my point of view, I'm alright with the way the racing goes down in D1, never had a complaint about anything. Owens, Qwiet, Hill, Danger, Gumball, Racefan and well the whole gang has been great to me.

 

[Schmiggz]

I think, by what i've been reading, that D1 became a vanity fair. It's human nature...You're not happy just by getting on top. You have to eliminate those who got on top with you.
They are all very good and talented, they basically have the same level of skill, concentration and pace so it gets harder and harder to beat your opponent simply by getting perfect race lines, flawless breaking points and impeccable throttle control. You definitely need something more to overcome other pilots and since shortcutting is absolutely forbidden, i can't think of anything else but extreme aggressive driving.

 

[DrKronin]

Not to flog the horse we summarily euthanized some time ago, but when the cars we drive are so well stuck to the road, the difference in pace between drivers in the higher divisions is just too small to allow for careful passing. I don't think I passed, or was passed, in the last 2 combos except as an opportunistic exploitation of a mistake. Pace seemed to be essentially irrelevant. Either you wrecked on the jump or you didn't. Either someone ahead of you pushed too hard to force a pass, allowing you to pass both them and their intended target, or they didn't. No amount of being a faster driver was going to make a pass happen, and if you focused entirely on driving defensively, you could hold the entire field behind you so long as you had clean air.

I'm exaggerating a bit, but not much. I actually really liked the Toyota, even if I'm not much of a fan of that track. It made the track seem better than it really is, and the uphill straight allowed for some great passing. I do hope we see at least one quicker combo next week, but that --as it should be -- is up to the prize winners.

 

[OwensRacing]

Anytime I see some talking about agressive driving in D1 I feel sort of concerned.
I don't know if I'm driving aggressively, only thing I know is that I can be too much of an opportunist sometimes. I try to give space and brake earlier when I'm behind someone and if I divebomb it's by mistake.

I'm open to constructive criticism from D1 guys and general review of my racecraft just to be sure and if I'm doing something wrong, I'll have an idea of what to correct.

From my point of view, I'm alright with the way the racing goes down in D1, never had a complaint about anything. Owens, Qwiet, Hill, Danger, Gumball, Racefan and well the whole gang has been great to me.

You have no worries. Your very clean. With your speed I must say you a reserved. You could easily forces by passes but don't.



It's been mentioned. The short races will lead to a lot of this. It does make sense that the urgency to get positions before the checkered leads to some of what is being discussed.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

Not to flog the horse we summarily euthanized some time ago, but when the cars we drive are so well stuck to the road, the difference in pace between drivers in the higher divisions is just too small to allow for careful passing. I don't think I passed, or was passed, in the last 2 combos except as an opportunistic exploitation of a mistake. Pace seemed to be essentially irrelevant. Either you wrecked on the jump or you didn't. Either someone ahead of you pushed too hard to force a pass, allowing you to pass both them and their intended target, or they didn't. No amount of being a faster driver was going to make a pass happen, and if you focused entirely on driving defensively, you could hold the entire field behind you so long as you had clean air.

I'm exaggerating a bit, but not much. I actually really liked the Toyota, even if I'm not much of a fan of that track. It made the track seem better than it really is, and the uphill straight allowed for some great passing. I do hope we see at least one quicker combo next week, but that, as it should be, is up to the prize winners.

Is this a call for more high HP, challenging combos? 👍

 

[racefan78]

Is this a call for more high HP, challenging combos? 👍

A combo doesn't have to be high HP to be challenging, just look at the 2000GT.

 

[DrKronin]

Is this a call for more high HP, challenging combos? 👍

I know they're not everyone's cup of tea, but I wouldn't be disappointed if there was at least one 👍


Edit: Very true, Racefan. It was an interesting combo. It may be the first time we've driven something that was both challenging and slow enough that if you started to oversteer you had enough time to form a committee to decide on a course of corrective action.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

For sure. That is one of my favorites and I was disappointed I couldn't race it last night.

 

[DJones]

Is this a call for more high HP, challenging combos? 👍

BRING BACK THE COBRA! Everyone hated it, but guys snakes are meant to go sideways

I wish we could race the cobra with the racing exhaust. That would be the best. sounding. race. ever.

 

[hillracing]

I personally don't think D1 is too aggressive. There are some who drive more aggressive than others but in my opinion it's still clean while aggressive. I think the nature of D1 is that if you leave an opening it will be taken. You should be prepared for that and instead of being surprised by the pass attempt be smart about it and figure out a way to attack back. If someone "divebombs" you can always use the technique of braking a little early and using a late apex to come off the corner faster than the guy who just attempted a pass. The point is there is a way to not let their aggressiveness effect you. To complain on the forums about it in my opinion isn't the answer. If you have a complaint then submit it to the stewards otherwise just learn from your mistake that let them pass you and get better.

The great one speaks on this subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

A combo doesn't have to be high HP to be challenging, just look at the 2000GT.

The suspensions is so soft its like we ride a boat. Lol jk.

 

[OwensRacing]

Toyota stinks. You guys like it. That's cool but I think it's physics are completely out of reality. Spinning the rears suddenly at 42mph. PUHLEASE! Not happening. Be lucky to do so in the wet at that speed in this turd. LoL

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I personally don't think D1 is too aggressive. There are some who drive more aggressive than others but in my opinion it's still clean while aggressive. I think the nature of D1 is that if you leave an opening it will be taken. You should be prepared for that and instead of being surprised by the pass attempt be smart about it and figure out a way to attack back. If someone "divebombs" you can always use the technique of braking a little early and using a late apex to come off the corner faster than the guy who just attempted a pass. The point is there is a way to not let their aggressiveness effect you. To complain on the forums about it in my opinion isn't the answer. If you have a complaint then submit it to the stewards otherwise just learn from your mistake that let them pass you and get better.

The great one speaks on this subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

"The gap"...

Common sense dictates that a few real life factors will influence the racing driver's decision of whether or not to attack the gap. I'm guessing fear of damaging a car, the expense of repair, getting hurt or killing someone all will curb someones aggression in real life. We lack this in GT5. It's far too easy to ungentlemanly push through a corner thinking you are the reincarnation of Senna. That's why we depend on a set of rules to help "influence the decision making" during certain racing situations. They are our "rules of engagement" AKA - SNAIL OLR.

I'm receiving complaints from several D1 drivers that there is an issue, so perhaps this does need more attention.

Champion Senna at his best...

 

[IceWarden]

I personally don't think D1 is too aggressive. There are some who drive more aggressive than others but in my opinion it's still clean while aggressive. I think the nature of D1 is that if you leave an opening it will be taken.

Taking an opening and making one are two different things.

I have a pretty clear idea of who is on what side of the fence on this issue. I just try to drive somewhat like I did in real life. I would never try to force my bought and paid for track car into these situations so if that is being " cleanly aggressive" then it's not how I plan to drive.

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

I personally don't think D1 is too aggressive. There are some who drive more aggressive than others but in my opinion it's still clean while aggressive. I think the nature of D1 is that if you leave an opening it will be taken. You should be prepared for that and instead of being surprised by the pass attempt be smart about it and figure out a way to attack back. If someone "divebombs" you can always use the technique of braking a little early and using a late apex to come off the corner faster than the guy who just attempted a pass. The point is there is a way to not let their aggressiveness effect you. To complain on the forums about it in my opinion isn't the answer. If you have a complaint then submit it to the stewards otherwise just learn from your mistake that let them pass you and get better.

The great one speaks on this subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

You talked like nothing important happen in D-1 but its not. DangeR make a point last nite about that and he said "I would like comeback to D-2 if racing its like that in D-1". Dont try to hide the problem please hill. Its easy to talk about the rules but when the time come to race we still have to review the rules.

 

[Luv2Coach]

I personally enjoy racing the D1 guys because of the style of racing. Constant pressure. The thing is though, their way of racing is different than D2 & below; believe it or not. Havihg raced in practices with them, as others have, their is no comparison to D2 Sundays. I have to change my whole mindset on Sunday. I have accepted that and have shown it over the past 3 weeks and will continue doing so.

Call it what you will; aggressive or hard, pressure-filled racing, it is not on the same plane as the other divisions; minor, non-malicious, contact is going to happen. Personally, I enjoy the intensity. And like everyone else has, it's my opinion only.

 

[IceWarden]

I personally enjoy racing the D1 guys because of the style of racing. Constant pressure. The thing is though, their way of racing is different than D2 & below; believe it or not. Havihg raced in practices with them, as others have, their is no comparison to D2 Sundays. I have to change my whole mindset on Sunday. I have accepted that and have shown it over the past 3 weeks and will continue doing so.

Call it what you will; aggressive or hard, pressure-filled racing, it is not on the same plane as the other divisions; minor, non-malicious, contact is going to happen. Personally, I enjoy the intensity. And like everyone else has, it's my opinion only.

I just shot tea out my nose! Now that's funny right there!

 

[DrKronin]

Champion Senna at his best...

My sarcasm detector is fully functional, but I'll bite anyway

When he was really at his best, it looked a bit more like this: