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Dragonwhisky
Curious why you feel the pics need to be uniform. I like the idea of manufacturer badges and PP. Spent 11.5 years in uniform. Not sure it's all that necessary here. I would actually prefer if more folks would contribute pics of their cars in their colors for more variety.
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K.I.S.S

Just seems icon for cars looks more professional when uniformed. The PP on pics was asked for by a couple people too. Not my idea. I do like it though.

Maybe personal opinion and slight OCD. LOL


Myself would save the high res stuff for the thread.

However it doesn't matter. Just being open with thoughts.

I even get flustered when people don't have cars all painted their regular color and when duplicate colors are on the grid. LoL
 
The practice rooms are officially open! If you're assigned to Division 1 or Division 2 (or you placed in the top 5 of Division 3 this Sunday June 23 past please join with your best racecraft:

SNAIL BLUE PRACTICE ROOM

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Everyone else, please join with your best racecraft:
SNAIL RED PRACTICE ROOM
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zer05ive
Anyone is free to talk about any experience they want to. They're only docked points if the complain on the thread without making an official complaint to the stewards. If complaining on the thread is therapeutic, then complaining to a steward and having the driver you're complaining docked points would be even more therapeutic, no? Both options take the same amount of time, but only one of them actually helps clean the racing in the league.

You're free to disagree with this if you want to and of course free to complain publicly if you want to. However, that's frowned upon in basically every thrad here on GTPLanet so it's not like we're some oppressive regime or anything. Also, shouldn't we be allowed to award our prizes in the manner we see most fit? Our contest rewards those who race a lot, race cleanly, and don't stir things up on the thread. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Feel free to award prizes to whomever for whatever. I don't come here for either of those...thank goodness.

I like to think of a public forum (like this one) as sort of a break room or water cooler if you will. A place where the racers can go in between races or practice sessions to talk about their day.

So if I come in and say "hey zero, Sorry I hit you in the first turn. I got a little out of control and made contact." This type of discussion has happened quite often here after Sunday races.

But, if I come in and say "man I had a bad day today. Turn one was out of control. There some contact between drivers and I ended up in the grass."

No names were mentioned, something happened on track causing the driver to lose positions unexpectedly and he just wanted to talk about it around the water cooler. But the second scenario is not allowed and the first is? Both discuss "incidents".

In fact, any talk about an on-track racing occurance is an incident.

If you are penalizing all negative connotations on the thread then just say so.
 
I think the penalty system came up because guys were calling out drivers by name, which is completely the wrong thing to do. The thread is not the place for that. We have procedures and processes in place to deal with it the right way.

I would say that apologizing to someone on the thread is a good thing. Making a blanket statement accusing a number (?) of people of poor racecraft is probably not a good thing, and has no place in the thread.
 
Is Friday still an open day for a activity? I was browsing YouTube lookin at what crazy things happen in gt5 and I found this really interesting thing that people were doing! Its not a clean racing thing but its not dirty either, it is more of a fun activity that I wish we could try out! It was people just playing soccer with cars in gt5 and a fiat 500 as the ball! Just think it would be a good nerve breaker before the weekend of racing and maybe as a division bonding thing! Just thought I would throw an idea out there!

Thoughts!
 
bandit0627
Is Friday still an open day for a activity? I was browsing YouTube lookin at what crazy things happen in gt5 and I found this really interesting thing that people were doing! Its not a clean racing thing but its not dirty either, it is more of a fun activity that I wish we could try out! It was people just playing soccer with cars in gt5 and a fiat 500 as the ball! Just think it would be a good nerve breaker before the weekend of racing and maybe as a division bonding thing! Just thought I would throw an idea out there!

Thoughts!
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Top Gear Football? I am so down for this bandit 👍 Only if I can be that ball though :)
 
Local power company must be running through Sony's servers..... whole neighborhood went dark :mad: Guess it was my cue to get some sleep!
 
Well, have fun with the combos everyone. I'm off for a slo-pitch tournament from tomorrow until Monday afternoon/evening :cheers:
 
Hello Snails,

I would like to apologize for the immature pm of mine to zer05. Its a long story how it happend but I just want to answer some of your questions that I've been recieving.

First off, I do NOT hate your league any bit. I may have said that in the pm, but there is no intention for me to be hating your league. Some snails may say psycho stole some of your ideas of "spec racing" now snail was the first to create snail and come up with some great ideas for the league. And psycho may have borrowed some of your ideas and used it for his league, should he have asked for permission first? Well I heard he never did, so yes he may have should've.

Another question I got was why was I putting all this hate towards this league, well to be honest, I may have been told some lies or truths. Probably mostly lies which lead into the pm. But from what I told you in the pm. what I read the next day, it was something I wish I never sent, because I've never tried snail out so I can NOT judge snail now or even after. If I race with you guys for a month and say I don't like it to myself, there is still no reason for me to hate the league. I may just have to move on.

So yes, im guessing all you snails hate me, and yes, you all have a right to hate me. I used to be a die hard turtle fan and I wasnt paying attention to myself, and I should have been worrying about myself and not who has a better league. So as I'm growing up I'm more worrying about myself and protecting what I say, I still make mistakes today. I DO support both leagues, both are amazing from what it looks like.

From what zer05 has posted earlier in the thread of the letter of when snail had each of their ideas vs turtle. So yes snail did invent some of their ideas before turtle. But I'm sure psycho wanted a spec racing league as well. As I said, probably should've asked for permission first, but he may have forgot or something else.

Also, I know I'm the hot topic on your thread and I just feel completely trapped for such a stupid mistake, and from the whole pm I wish I could take back, but honestly I can NOT take back what I said back. So what I'm saying from all the crap I put on you guys, its just out there now, I can try to convince you guys I didn't mean those words. But honestly again, I did not mean a single word from that pm. Just from reading all your guys post saying like "oh, that ph1sher guy is a hypocrite!!" Or something like that just made me frusterated more, but again I already know I diserve to be called names and be insulted for what I said.

So in the end, maybe psycho forgot to ask for permission for your ideas, but I'm not completely sure. This is all new to me, I never knew about turtle vs snail, and honestly do NOT want to know anymore of it. I just want to race with you guys. And I understand if you don't want to race me if I put way to much crap on you guys, but my point is from the post of zer05 and all the dates of his posted there, maybe psycho shouldn't have copyed some of your ideas. But psycho did want a SPEC racing league of his own as well.

In conclusion of hopefully the end of the open letter to turtle racing league, I'm sorry for sending the immature pm of mine to you zer05, and not replying later, because when I read the pm to you after I sent it, I knew I didn't hate your league, snail was the first spec racing league, snail created most of the ideas. If there is any more questions of concern you have, please, please pm me and hopefully I can answer your question, it took me like 7 pm messages to zer05 to answer his question. But when I did, I felt a bit better. But not completely, because all the snails here, is probably what makes snail spec racing great for all the racers in the community of GTP.

I know I'm young, and I won't tell you guys how young I am compared to others here, but I really do hope there is some sort of peace thing between turtle and snail. I have NO THING OF hating either turtle or snail. Now I know I said I hate snail. But there is no reason for me to hate snail if I haven't even tried it out?!

If this apology letter isn't good enough for snail, then I must have made some mistakes here or I left something out that I should have added. Or if there's some words or lines that are way to far for you guys, I'm sorry I don't mean to go this far.

So why did I decide to post this on the thread of snail and get in your way? Well it needed to be done, zer05 suggested I needed to stick up for myself, and he was right. When I answered his question, I did actually feel stronger in myself that I was able to take the time to answer it.

And, some say don't blame it on ph1sher, well yeah I joined before turtle and so on. But the pm I sent was what led to it, and I do take FULL responsibility for what has happend. So I'm just trying to deal with each little thing I've been putting in my face the last couple of days by explaining how I now feel or how I did feel, and who was right and who was wrong. But for 1 thing, I was wrong, all the snails here. Even if you just joined today, you were all RIGHT TOGETHER AS A TEAM.

As JLBowler requests, I will explain what happend as well in my best honest way, before I say I, I'm not trying to destroy anyone this is just what happend from my experience. I went in the turtle divisional room and told psycho that I'm going to snail for a racing (when I was pumped for my debut) at that moment I had no idea that psycho does not like snail and had no idea of the riverly. So yes I may kind of got a lot of stuff thrown at me that night and decided to skip the snail race. Which after the comments the rage got at me and I sent the rage at you guys. The next day I met up with dragonwhisky and he basically just said thanks for joining, everyone in snail are great guys. Now we have 2 perspectives I thought 1 from psycho and 1 from Dragon. And duh I thought psycho had his own league and he probably didn't like you guys. So I went back on GTP, looked at sent items, read the pm I sent to you. And just stared at it in dissapointment and frusteration and closed the computer. Because I knew what I sent was NOT right at all. It was all wrong

Now, please don't blame this on psycho or anyone else. Its all me, I'm the one who is wrong. Psycho may have had bad experiences as well. But the action I took at zer05 was way too far and immature. So please don't blame psycho for this. I never had seen him mad other than that night I mentioned snail. He still is a good guy and I do look up to him. But I did realize something that night as well. Just to worry about myself more often. So my position towards snail and turtle is I really don't mind either leagues, both great. I still like turtle a lot, and from what it sounds, snail is also a great league and that's one of the main reasons why I signed up for snail. But I just wanted to join basically just to learn to become a faster racer and improve my racecraft as well.

Thanks JLBowler for the question concern. I hope this answers your question, if not, please pm me and we can discuss it if you have any further questions.

Thanks to all snails for reading this 👍

Sorry,
-Ph1sher
 
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Ph1sher,

I have intentionally stayed out of the Turtle/S.N.A.I.L. conversation. I would like to commend you on taking the time to explain yourself and being mature enough to take in all the facts and state your position.

As far as I'm concerned, and I've been around here a long time, you are welcome to race with us and then form your opinion of S.N.A.I.L. just as you have run with Turtle and formed your opinion of that group. I can't speak to the experience of running with Turtle but I can say that running with S.N.A.I.L has been just as good an experience as I had running with Legit Racing League way back in the prologue days and into GT5 and other games until the great PSN outage. I'm sure there are similiarities and differences in the two leagues and for anyone it comes down to your personal preference.

Once again, thank you for your well though out post and I hope you take the time to see how your experience in SNAIL turns out.
 
zer05ive
So then you know firsthand how if feels to be plagiarized. Sucks, doesn't it?
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zer05ive
The fact that an outside observer such as your self would think that S.N.A.I.L. and Turtle were associated speaks volumes as to how similar our threads were back then. But no, there has never been a S.N.A.I.L. banner in any Turtle thread. If there had been a banner or even a mention of S.N.A.I.L. to give proper credit, this whole thing would be a non-issue.
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There's a gazzilion SNAIL & TURTLE threads going around, I must've got confused about the banner.


zer05ive
As for it not being dealt with at the time, that's not entirely true. Just because we didn't go onto their thread and call them out doesn't mean nothing was done. I made a couple of posts about it, but on the general Clubs & Leagues thread and on our own. I also had the definition of the word plagiarize in my signature, and linked it to the Turtle thread. Like this:

Merriam-Webster's definition of plagiarize:
: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source

But more important than any of this, was that a mutual member of both leagues called Psycho out (via PM) on the extensive copy and pasting. However, Psycho carried on anyways..
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That's why from an outside perspective it seemed like what was happening was being allowed. I presume you complained directly to Jordan, if so; I'm very supprised that he allowed the Turtle thread to continue.

Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
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Ph1sher,

Thanks for standing up for yourself. As a young person, heck, as an older person, I made plenty of mistakes as well, including rash PMs. I try to improve and move on.

Learning not to hit 'send' the night I am mad, re-reading a PM or e-mail in the morning, and then deciding to send or cancel was a good start. Imaging I had to read the note, or explain what I did, in front of my Grandmother, children, everyone I knew, helped remind me to try and do the right thing. Your note was like that.

The only friendly suggestion I have is be cautious about making excuses for others. Stick to what you know is fact- generally your own actions. Do your best to be factual. I think you have done that. If others, young or old, need to explain their actions, then let them do it. Do not take the blame for the actions of another. To each, his own, so to speak.

Good luck. I would not mind racing with you sometime.
 
Here here! Look at the balls on that lad. Good of you to reply ph1sher. Takes some good intestinal fortitude to step up and apologize like that. Double so for it being the internet. Puts you miles above some other shmuck that left you out to dry. I will echo handlebar in that, while it's great that you are owning up to your end, it's just as important to not be someone elses patsy. Just as you owned up to your fault, it's also important to properly place blame and responsibility. After all, do you really want to take a bullet for a guy who would push you off a cliff?
 
Once again, an awesome night of practice. Thanks again guys. Had a blast in a battle with Owens n Adventuruss at GVE. The Lotus was a blast too!!!! Looking forward to those combos and/or future combos being worth points! Good racin' fellas!!
 
That Was Pretty Awesome Ph1sher. I'd Say That You More Than Made Up For Your Mistake. I've Done Stuff Like That Before As Well. So What You Just Did Was Really Cool.

On A Side Note, Getting To Practice In Blue Room For The First Time Was Great!It Was The First Time I Ever Got To Race With A Lot Of You So I Really Enjoyed it.:cheers:

And Luv2coach Was Quite Courteous And Patient. Especially For Being Around Me, Who Was One Of The Slower Of The Bunch.
 
Thank you Ph1sher 👍

Takes real strength and courage to do what you did!

It's never easy to do that kind of thing, I hope you feel good about yourself as a result :cheers:

kcheeb
 
I gotta say that reading that put moisture in my ocular cavity.

There is some small hope that some of the youth of today can fix everything us old guys screwed up.
 
Ph1sher, VBR,

If I had a 'like' button to click, I would do it on both of your posts. I'm happy we could all come to an understanding. I hope to see y'all on track!
 

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