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I use photobucket . com. Works fine....
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and i can share link on to the thread?
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MINI RANT WARNING:
There is one really annoying part of bad (or a new) controller driver....its what I call car jitter. Due , I suppose, to their constant inputs their cars jitter (the worse the driver the worse the jitter). Now try exiting a corner with a jitter bug on your door handle banging incessantly on your car....like a drummer. At first I thought it was a really bad driver or a exceedingly aggressive driver...and it really po'd me big time.
I really DISLIKE being hit...if you can't control your car...stay away from me...an unintentional VERY occasional rub/bump during intense door to door racing is sometimes just a racing incident....constantly jittering on my car is not. If nothing else it is distracting as....and It shows lack of control and bad racecraft.
And... before someone says...that's racing....I know of a Series Owner and host who has a great freelance Enduro series who I would call a near Alien in speed and smoothness. One day I was getting nowhere trying to tune my car (as usual
) and he offered me his setup. Then he added as an afterthought...stay off of the grass and curbs...I'm a controller driver and my cars react poorly to any contact with curbs or grass due to lack of suspension travel. I was shocked at his ability with his controller...there was NO jitter...and even when in close company his front wheel motions (usually a real giveaway when a controller is used) appeared normal. He was both smooth and fast.Just because you drive a controller is not an excuse to antagonize the rest of the racers....you CAN get smoother...and in my very humble opinion...smoother is not only faster....its more polite to those who are surrounding you.
RANT OUT
- 3,575
- Vancouver, BC
- Falango
The wheel vs. controller debate will never die, but you are being beat by someone when you are taking perfect lines, perfect speed and control, but you're in D7. Have you thought that there might be some people that are faster than you through skill? We have people in D2 using a controller and damn are they quick. I don't care if someone uses a wheel, controller, DDR pad, if they are quick, and consistently quick, it's likely due to skill. Some people are just better with one medium than another.
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- MajorBlixem
yep... that's how I've been sharing the pics I post on here
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- OMG_mang
I'll usually post 10 publicly then post the rest to a group PM consisting of my division members only. @Handlebar creates a new thread at the beginning of each new season for d6. It's a great way to share race pictures without spamming the entire community.
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MINI RANT WARNING:
There is one really annoying part of bad (or a new) controller driver....its what I call car jitter. Due , I suppose, to their constant inputs their cars jitter (the worse the driver the worse the jitter). Now try exiting a corner with a jitter bug on your door handle banging incessantly on your car....like a drummer. At first I thought it was a really bad driver or a exceedingly aggressive driver...and it really po'd me big time.
I really DISLIKE being hit...if you can't control your car...stay away from me...an unintentional VERY occasional rub/bump during intense door to door racing is sometimes just a racing incident....constantly jittering on my car is not. If nothing else it is distracting as....and It shows lack of control and bad racecraft.
And... before someone says...that's racing....I know of a Series Owner and host who has a great freelance Enduro series who I would call a near Alien in speed and smoothness. One day I was getting nowhere trying to tune my car (as usual
Just because you drive a controller is not an excuse to antagonize the rest of the racers....you CAN get smoother...and in my very humble opinion...smoother is not only faster....its more polite to those who are surrounding you.
RANT OUT
If while racing the car is visibly shaking beside you with tire squeel , that's the person lagging not the driving device. I dont know if this is what some of you are seeing
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- a_ce14
Sorry Wolfy, this was in response to Mike L.
After your last post though I did a little comprison. After about 20 laps on each of the tracks this week, I was running almost identical speeds. In part, I think you have some valid points.
1. I didn't notice much difference in the cars behavior just running laps by myself.
2. The biggest difference was when other cars joined the mix. With the controller, it gets twitchy fast, meaning the car moves around way more than the wheel but still maintains the same speed as the other cars.
3. Way, Way, Waaaayyyyyyy more tire squeal from the controllers. Which didn't make sense if more squeal means more lateral and less linear progression going through turns...in general.
4. Big difference in braking zones. Much later with the controller, but also much slower from entry to apex.
5. I seemed to struggle with the long sweepers on AH and the drifting elevation changes on SS route5 with the controller.
The wheel
1. Relative smoother is quicker with the wheel. As I smoothed both the controller and wheel out, the wheel was actually quicker.
2. The wheel will get faster in turns if the tires stay silent. My good friend @aerolite pointed this out which I had to investigate further as the weekend unfolded. The controller seemed to kill to much speed to get the tires quieted down.
3. Elevation changes have a different feel in the wheel due to the amount of loading and unloading around the radius of the wheel. It adds an element of rotational control like a real car.
4. Perhaps the biggest difference is the effect of throttle and brake steering. The wheel gets the added benefit of the brake and throttle response feedback. Once you get a wheel car online, I felt like I could control the brake / throttle way better than compared to the controller.
The wheel is all about being fast smooth compared to the controller being a bit more computational feeling. What I mean is the controller seems to be more straight line biased then allowing the PS to convert the input to radius. The wheel on the other hand, once you find the line, it's just a matter of continual increase or decrease in pressure.
But remember, this is coming from a guy that measures human performance and converts it to all the "sciencey" stuff. So take it for what it is. I'm not an engineer or a computer science major so please don't fault me for that. I don't need to know the inner functions and mechanics of the two. I just wanted to see how the two actually compared for me personally and if I can exploit any weakness in one over the other....within the rules of course.
Soo, Everyone, don't take this as an attack on your choice of controller or wheel. It's just what I noticed while searching for a little more speed.
I may do these little comparisons each week.
On another, less serious note. When a few of us get together in here and do our little desert race / big air shenanigans on the weekends, the wheel guys have a huge advantage at speed over dumb rough terrain.
NOTE: Sorry D8 guys, you were unknowingly part of the little experiment this weekend.
But I promise to share my info. with you from here on out.
Sorry Wolfy, this was in response to Mike L.
After your last post though I did a little comparison. After about 20 laps on each of the tracks this week, I was running almost identical speeds. In part, I think you have some valid points.
1. I didn't notice much difference in the cars behavior just running laps by myself.
2. The biggest difference was when other cars joined the mix. With the controller, it gets twitchy fast, meaning the car moves around way more than the wheel but still maintains the same speed as the other cars.
3. Way, Way, Waaaayyyyyyy more tire squeal from the controllers. Which didn't make sense if more squeal means more lateral and less linear progression going through turns...in general.
4. Big difference in braking zones. Much later with the controller, but also much slower from entry to apex.
5. I seemed to struggle with the long sweepers on AH and the drifting elevation changes on SS route5 with the controller.
The wheel
1. Relative smoother is quicker with the wheel. As I smoothed both the controller and wheel out, the wheel was actually quicker.
2. The wheel will get faster in turns if the tires stay silent. My good friend @aerolite pointed this out which I had to investigate further as the weekend unfolded. The controller seemed to kill to much speed to get the tires quieted down.
3. Elevation changes have a different feel in the wheel due to the amount of loading and unloading around the radius of the wheel. It adds an element of rotational control like a real car.
4. Perhaps the biggest difference is the effect of throttle and brake steering. The wheel gets the added benefit of the brake and throttle response feedback. Once you get a wheel car online, I felt like I could control the brake / throttle way better than compared to the controller.
The wheel is all about being fast smooth compared to the controller being a bit more computational feeling. What I mean is the controller seems to be more straight line biased then allowing the PS to convert the input to radius. The wheel on the other hand, once you find the line, it's just a matter of continual increase or decrease in pressure.
But remember, this is coming from a guy that measures human performance and converts it to all the "sciencey" stuff. So take it for what it is. I'm not an engineer or a computer science major so please don't fault me for that. I don't need to know the inner functions and mechanics of the two. I just wanted to see how the two actually compared for me personally and if I can exploit any weakness in one over the other....within the rules of course.
Soo, Everyone, don't take this as an attack on your choice of controller or wheel. It's just what I noticed while searching for a little more speed.
I may do these little comparisons each week.
On another, less serious note. When a few of us get together in here and do our little desert race / big air shenanigans on the weekends, the wheel guys have a huge advantage at speed over dumb rough terrain.
NOTE: Sorry D8 guys, you were unknowingly part of the little experiment this weekend.
But I promise to share my info. with you from here on out.
I totaly agree with you vsfit you your self said it was hard racing next to me because i use a controler but i am as smooth as i can be and I am just as fast as you and i do plan on geting a wheel because i want to be faster and not so twiche
- 7,689
- Michigan
- Rallywgn81
I don't think he was necessarily commenting in that context. I don't think it was so much about being beat as it was about what appears to be a DS3 controlled car doing something without consequence that a wheel controlled car would lose speeding. As has come up previously, DS3 cars have a sort of driving aid that isn't really adjustable, or known. Even with all of the aids, there is a little bit of aid still.
This honestly is my thought. given the replay environment, it would be further exacerbated. But, to that affect, yes, a DS3, simply by its nature is less smooth than a wheel. The minuet control of handling along with the size, weight, and self centering, and the fact that we (well, if not all, 99% of us) drive a car, so it is something we have a lot of experience with. Sure you can be smooth with a stick, but it's easier to be smooth with a wheel.
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- vsfit
I agree in part with this, sometimes this is the case.
Speaking from my own personal experience of using a controller for GT 1-5; they can get a little twitchy at times holding tight lines in traffic in certain types of turns. The wheel does it to with short, choppy, slow turns. I've had both controller and wheel guys bump as they make the turns, it's more like a tap.
We should be talking about how the different controllers are used at the different tracks so that maybe we can all get a idea of how we might be able to get a little quicker with whatever we use. And yes, I know that's what the practice rooms are for. But it's better than beating this topic to death.
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- RacingChamp30
I don't think their is an issue between controller and steering wheel. For example, i have always used a controller since the NES system back in the 1980's. I have always used a controller since playing online in GT5 and then progressing over to GT6. Only one IR was filed against me and that was back in March of this year in Division 6 when i didn't leave enough braking distance and got into Exosphere on his quarter panel and i waited to do an on track concession. I find to be comfortable using the controller, more so since i use the left analog stick for steering, X for acceleration , Square for braking. I try to have my car come out from braking as smooth as i can be.
I probably would feel different the day i am able to get a steering wheel but until that day comes, i will enjoy using my DS3 controller and be as clean as possible. I found that i am faster than other drivers on certain track/car combinations and slower on others. I hope i am showing as much respect on the track towards other drivers that other drivers would show the same respect to me. The blind side indicator helps alot to have me go through a turn or side by side with as little to no contact at all.
Just giving my two cents worth and found that i have gotten better with the braking distance, slowing down even right before i see the driver in front applying his/her brakes before the turn.
I probably would feel different the day i am able to get a steering wheel but until that day comes, i will enjoy using my DS3 controller and be as clean as possible. I found that i am faster than other drivers on certain track/car combinations and slower on others. I hope i am showing as much respect on the track towards other drivers that other drivers would show the same respect to me. The blind side indicator helps alot to have me go through a turn or side by side with as little to no contact at all.
Just giving my two cents worth and found that i have gotten better with the braking distance, slowing down even right before i see the driver in front applying his/her brakes before the turn.
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- Idaho Falls, ID
- JakeDog23
This is probably me you could be talking aboutMINI RANT WARNING:
There is one really annoying part of bad (or a new) controller driver....its what I call car jitter. Due , I suppose, to their constant inputs their cars jitter (the worse the driver the worse the jitter). Now try exiting a corner with a jitter bug on your door handle banging incessantly on your car....like a drummer. At first I thought it was a really bad driver or a exceedingly aggressive driver...and it really po'd me big time.
I really DISLIKE being hit...if you can't control your car...stay away from me...an unintentional VERY occasional rub/bump during intense door to door racing is sometimes just a racing incident....constantly jittering on my car is not. If nothing else it is distracting as....and It shows lack of control and bad racecraft.
And... before someone says...that's racing....I know of a Series Owner and host who has a great freelance Enduro series who I would call a near Alien in speed and smoothness. One day I was getting nowhere trying to tune my car (as usual
Just because you drive a controller is not an excuse to antagonize the rest of the racers....you CAN get smoother...and in my very humble opinion...smoother is not only faster....its more polite to those who are surrounding you.
RANT OUT
Dragonwhisky
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*****To all D4 and D5 drivers,
I cannot find replays in any of the usual places. You've got a little more than 2 hours to get your replays up in your divisional folder in either the public set or the standard set. Again, do not try to put them in Monthly folders. The parent division folder is where we want them.
Thank you.
I cannot find replays in any of the usual places. You've got a little more than 2 hours to get your replays up in your divisional folder in either the public set or the standard set. Again, do not try to put them in Monthly folders. The parent division folder is where we want them.
Thank you.
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See...I always knew you could get smoother...and FASTER. My comments were NOT about lag and NOT about getting beaten....they were about taking the time to get better. If you insist on using a device that lets you do things with cars that cars can't do...at least get good enough on it so that the rest of us are not impacted.This is probably me you could be talking about
Jake was the first PS tattoo I ever got but not the last....I enjoy racing with him and all of you regardless if you want to use a tin can and a string or the most absurdly expensive wheel clone on the market....just be kind to your neighbors on track. Take the time to be good.....sort of the SNAIL moto....
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The scoring sheets have been moved to the Results sheet. Data Specialists are cleared to enter timing data.
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Still need some more....IT'S MONDAY......Fun Situational Awareness Training....door handle to door handle version awaits.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...where-the-excitement-never-ends.317740/unread
Yeah the TC IS GONE...BUT...ITS STILL A GREAT PICTURE.
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- Mission, British Columbia
- BC_BOYZZ
Just throwing it out there, I know of a few controller users like @Kgffy and myself, (a few non SNAILS too) that are considerably faster than the majority of wheel users. Not saying that that wheels are slower, 'cause they aren't, I'm just saying that there are examples where people are using what they can afford to their full potential, and it isn't too far off of what a couple hundred bucks can give you.
On a side note; @Mike Lobban, Pauly B has got to be one of my favourites on the team as of late... And that breakaway goal a couple nights ago... Textbook! He's going places FAST.
On a side note; @Mike Lobban, Pauly B has got to be one of my favourites on the team as of late... And that breakaway goal a couple nights ago... Textbook! He's going places FAST.
- 1,879
- Canada
- Ch11chcftzp
Now that's an awesome rant. 👍👍👍👍MINI RANT WARNING:
There is one really annoying part of bad (or a new) controller driver....its what I call car jitter. Due , I suppose, to their constant inputs their cars jitter (the worse the driver the worse the jitter). Now try exiting a corner with a jitter bug on your door handle banging incessantly on your car....like a drummer. At first I thought it was a really bad driver or a exceedingly aggressive driver...and it really po'd me big time.
I really DISLIKE being hit...if you can't control your car...stay away from me...an unintentional VERY occasional rub/bump during intense door to door racing is sometimes just a racing incident....constantly jittering on my car is not. If nothing else it is distracting as....and It shows lack of control and bad racecraft.
And... before someone says...that's racing....I know of a Series Owner and host who has a great freelance Enduro series who I would call a near Alien in speed and smoothness. One day I was getting nowhere trying to tune my car (as usual
Just because you drive a controller is not an excuse to antagonize the rest of the racers....you CAN get smoother...and in my very humble opinion...smoother is not only faster....its more polite to those who are surrounding you.
RANT OUT
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- Ch11chcftzp
Thanks, he has had about 14 breakaways already this year, about time he scored on one.
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Dragonwhisky
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All division replays are where they need to be. to the Uploaders!
LOL Coach, yer fired. Rappin' ain't in my repetoire.
to the Uploaders!LOL Coach, yer fired. Rappin' ain't in my repetoire.
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- Birdy1084
lol @Dragonwhisky you should totally just start posting this instead of harping its a funnier broken recordAll division replays are where they need to be.
LOL Coach, yer fired. Rappin' ain't in my repetoire.
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I ran in an F1 series in GT5 that briefly considered banning DS3 users due to their ability to run a very quick laps times, probably a result of their quicker steering inputs. They had the ability to run a couple of quick hot laps by throwing their car around aggressively, always looking out of control. The fact they suffered from increased tire wear made it a non issue.
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