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[zer05ive]

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[zer05ive]

I have it in my signature as well @BustedFoSho. As @JLBowler stated, the majority of us will still ask before or even after reading the FUD post just to make sure we are reading into it correctly. Just PM someone about it or @JLBowler will keep putting people down and scaring off the others to ask anything if still unsure. As much useless chatter that goes on in this thread, it's sad that people have to be aprehensive about asking a question. If we are such a hassle and lack the part of the brain you speak of below, you should ask yourself why you're doing this? You sound iratated with everyone and everything?

I agree that @JLBowler can be a grumpy bear sometimes, but I don't see anything wrong with his comments that you quoted in your post. They weren't putting anyone down for asking a question, but rather voicing his irritation with this. Frankly, we should all be just as upset about what happened last Sunday night as he is. If we ever get to the point where it's acceptable for most of us to not follow our own rules, then what are any of us doing here?

 

[JLBowler]

I agree that @JLBowler can be a grumpy bear sometimes, but I don't see anything wrong with the comments of his that you quoted in your post. They weren't putting anyone down for asking a question, but rather voicing his irritation with this. Frankly, we should all be upset about what happened last Sunday night. If we ever get to the point where it's acceptable for most of us to not follow our own rules, then what are any of us doing here?

Thank you. I just sat here and typed out four different responses to that and couldn't come up with one that quite said what i wanted to say the way I wanted to say it.

I'll just go with what zer05ive said and call it a day.

 

[watermelon punch]

haha!!
A little curmudgeon here & there in a forum thread won't scare anyone off racing.
But if anyone's worried about scaring people off reading the posted info, they should rethink the term "FUD".

 

[Schmiggz]

125 race incidents... LMAO

 

[DCschwinn]

Thank you. I just sat here and typed out four different responses to that and couldn't come up with one that quite said what i wanted to say the way I wanted to say it.

I'll just go with what zer05ive said and call it a day.

I agree that @JLBowler can be a grumpy bear sometimes, but I don't see anything wrong with his comments that you quoted in your post. They weren't putting anyone down for asking a question, but rather voicing his irritation with this. Frankly, we should all be just as upset about what happened last Sunday night as he is. If we ever get to the point where it's acceptable for most of us to not follow our own rules, then what are any of us doing here?

Fair enough!! We will leave it at that..

 

[Handlebar]

125 race incidents... LMAO

If we are such a hassle and lack the part of the brain you speak of below, you should ask yourself why you're doing this? You sound iratated with everyone and everything?

How many times can someone answer the same question, or organize a Table of Contents, and not sometimes get... Impatient?

I get it - everyone is new once, not everyone knows every answer,and not everyone will like everyone else.

Good possible alternatives for those who like to point fingers (not specifically the quote above, but it serves the point), and not volunteer solutions:

... Raise a hand / volunteer.

... If you have been here for a bit, look it up in the Frequently Used Docs and answer new questions with info, not complaints.

... If you receive a penalty for something, don't simply complain about the consequence and blame the guys who enforced rules, or laugh at the absurdity that you possibly erred or were caught red-handed - consider changing your behavior. Rules are not a surprise, don't pretend to be surprised if something comes up that is blatantly obvious.

... Leave. If all you are here for is to complain, and are not here to try to race as clean as you can, and expect others to try their best to do the same... Go.

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Ninja'd by @zer05ive and @JLBowler

 

[GTP_Nail]

How many times can someone answer the same question, or organize a Table of Contents, and not sometimes get... Impatient?

I get it - everyone is new once, not everyone knows every answer,and not everyone will like everyone else.

Good possible alternatives for those who like to point fingers (not specifically the quote above, but it serves the point), and not volunteer solutions:

... Raise a hand / volunteer.

... If you have been here for a bit, look it up in the Frequently Used Docs and answer new questions with info, not complaints.

... If you receive a penalty for something, don't simply complain about the consequence and blame the guys who enforced rules, or laugh at the absurdity that you possibly erred or were caught red-handed - consider changing your behavior. Rules are not a surprise, don't pretend to be surprised if something comes up that is blatantly obvious.

... Leave. If all you are here for is to complain, and are not here to try to race as clean as you can, and expect others to try their best to do the same... Go.

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Ninja'd by @zer05ive and @JLBowler

Amen

 

[nmcp1]

View attachment 278729

D2 data has been entered to the Results Doc for 1/11/15

Pole Lap Honors:
Round 1 : @Vegasracer (Schmedracer) 2:14.091
Round 2 : @Ricky Wilson (AcidTestKids) 1:49.122
Round 3 : @Ricky Wilson (AcidTestKids) 1:52.446

Fast Lap honors:
Round 1 Race 1 : @Ricky Wilson (AcidTestKids) 2:14.138
Round 1 Race 2 : @gtr3123 2:14.635

Round 2 Race 1 : @Ricky Wilson (AcidTestKids) 1:48.929
Round 2 Race 2 : @Ricky Wilson (AcidTestKids) 1:49.423

Round 3 Race 1 : @Ricky Wilson (AcidTestKids) 1:51.749
Round 3 Race 2 : @Ricky Wilson (AcidTestKids) 1:52.194


I'll just leave this here so that everyone remembers..... Hopefully this 'little' experiment will prove to everyone that our steward corp takes their job and this league very seriously.


Congrats to @Ricky Wilson for taking the win for the night! 👍

Full data set can be found here.

 

[Schmiggz]

 

[DCschwinn]

How many times can someone answer the same question, or organize a Table of Contents, and not sometimes get... Impatient?

I get it - everyone is new once, not everyone knows every answer,and not everyone will like everyone else.

Good possible alternatives for those who like to point fingers (not specifically the quote above, but it serves the point), and not volunteer solutions:

... Raise a hand / volunteer.

... If you have been here for a bit, look it up in the Frequently Used Docs and answer new questions with info, not complaints.

... If you receive a penalty for something, don't simply complain about the consequence and blame the guys who enforced rules, or laugh at the absurdity that you possibly erred or were caught red-handed - consider changing your behavior. Rules are not a surprise, don't pretend to be surprised if something comes up that is blatantly obvious.

... Leave. If all you are here for is to complain, and are not here to try to race as clean as you can, and expect others to try their best to do the same... Go.

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Ninja'd by @zer05ive and @JLBowler

With all due respect @Handlebar, every time I have seen a post about this penalty debacle, you were all over it like stink on 🤬. I never said one word about penalties nor did I point any fingers? I was tagged in your reply so I can only assume you are saying all this for me to read.. My hand is raised.. a good solution to whatever your talking about would be if you don't know what your talking about, Leave.. Go. Take a note out of your own book. You can't honestly think you helped out with anything here right? Your just making things worse. So I will take my complaining, non behaving self and take the high road out! Cheers mate

 

[watermelon punch]

I for one will cut the people who had to deal with whatever stewardship issues happened last week, some slack for a week or so if they're being a bit surly, terse, or even complaining a bit.

We all feel testy at times.
No reason to employ permanent solutions to temporary problems.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

So... It seems to me there is a significant draft effect in this weeks Grand Valley TT. This makes me wonder why the TT's are set to Race Together. Isn't the goal of a TT be to gauge what a single car can achieve in a single lap with the fewest variables?

The TTs were set up with the sole intention of not letting a Club feature go to waste. It was hoped a side effect of using the Club Event feature in this fashion would be another way Snails could have some fun and get familar with combos, with a bonus being able to compare each entry with others. Another side effect has been using the data collected for those that do them to help us determine race laps by being able to calculate the median times out of those provided, instead of having to pester folks to get us lap times to work with.

Now, I said all that to say this. If folks feel the TTs aren't being used in a fair and equitable fashion, as I'm fairly certain is the case in the Ascari TT, they can be shut down entirely. After seeing how things turned out, I've been considering doing just that with at least the Ascari TT.

If the TTs are more about eeking out that last tenth, just so you can tweak a brother or sister Snail's nose about how your were faster than them, than they are about honestly comparing yourselves to your brother and sister Snails, the intent is lost and the exercise is futile. Setting the mode for Race Together was chosen to allow those that wanted to, the capacity to run under conditions closer to race night. If racing with others isn't how you want to run your TT, then bail on multi-driver rooms and set up your own. I haven't tested it but, you may be able to set a TT event for only 1 driver, but, if that isn't possible, you can certainly set it for only 2, when you create a room.

 

[Schmiggz]

In my own prespective we don't have a "problem/solution" issue here, Handlebar, or even a need of senseless complaining about following simple rules. What I really want to point out in the aftermath of this penalty mayhem is that we have here an unfair policy that in my opinion should be changed. The penalty points system has to be reformulated and separated in two different divisions like crash/contact and boundary violations with it's respective levels of "punishment".
When I mentioned you that I don't understand my inclusion in the "last chance list" since I don't have a complain regarding an incident with any other driver for several months, you answered back and correctly that I had two complaints in the last few months that colected a lot of points towards that "black list" situation. Well, those two complaints regards exclusively hitting pylons in the air and cut half an inch in a couple of corners gaining absolutely no advantage with it!!! I get it... you hit pylons and you shortcut obviously you get penalized but... in the same manner and with the exact same level as if you were one of those guys that often act like a douch bag in the track causing contact, accidents and a carnage? How will I explain to my buddies, family and friends that I got banned from SNAIL not for being a dirty disrespectful driver but for hitting some pylons and cutting half an inch on a chicane here and there?
We can't treat both acts the same way, can we?

 

[racingchamp30]

I was one of the many who should have known better in the nearly 2 years i been with Snail. I will from now on read any posts that pertain to track boundaries and improve my racing so i don't end up violating the Out of Bounds penalties. That is the only way to learn is getting penalized for something that was against the rules and working to improve the driving next time around. I know with tomorrow's race their is the first chicane at the Stowe circuit that doesn't have cones on each side but does have the tire marks so will make it easier to identify where to turn into the chicane without cutting through the white lines. I just thought i was a good enough driver to not end up violating OOB rules. I know am not alone, i know i should have done better to make sure my vehicle's wheels stayed near completely or completely on the track without cutting the chicanes at Ascari.

Thank you for the rules that help to have Snail remain a clean, competitive online racing league. I think even if some have disagreements with how the penalties are put forth, more will understand as the rules stay put.

👍

 

[BustedFoSho]

Why so serious fellas? We all SIM race because it's fun right? I joined a league to sharpen my learning curve e.g. more fun. Once something becomes "no fun" I move on.

 

[Handlebar]

With all due respect @Handlebar, every time I have seen a post about this penalty debacle, you were all over it like stink on 🤬. I never said one word about penalties nor did I point any fingers?

Yes, I was on the driving debacle because I was observing how flagrantly and repeatedly drivers violated boundaries. As for not pointing fingers, check the post I partially quoted. Additionally, I clearly pointed out I was not specifically 'calling you out' but indicating a general pattern of kneejerk accusations of the Stewards or JLBowler for far too many perceived ills.

I will recuse myself from discussions in this topic for awhile.

 

[Lessen]

@Dragonwhisky

I use the TTs to compare my pace to my competitors so I can better prepare for Sunday. Period.

My stance remains firm that TTs should be set to Race Alone. You'll still get your lap data and we can still "practice" with cars on track in a TT room. It's just when the TT starts, the results will be less adulterated.

 

[MajorBlixem]

Sounds good to me. You still see the "overall" and " personal" best flash on the screen so you know when you need to step up your game

 

[singlepaddy]

Not sure what all the fuss about penalties is about!!!
Whether it's simulated or real every "organized" racing league has a set of rules. If not then there would be total mayhem...hell, even demolition derby has rules!!!

It's up to you to read, understand and agree to any rules a league has implemented if you wish to participate.
Unfortunately they are neither breakable or even bendable (though some of us try... ) and if you screw up whether by accident or on purpose and get caught you pay the price!!!

I just want to enjoy some good clean competitive racing with some friends every Sunday and have some fun while I'm at it. And it seems to me SNAIL just might be the best place to do that!!!
I might mess up and have to pay a penalty but that's ok I'll try to learn from it and be back next week...because it's a blast!!!

 

[speer9892003]

Though I had limited practice and know I probably won't do well in the finishes I look forward to racing tonight. I joined SNAIL because the people are great to race with and the stewards do a great job. When it comes to what seems like a horse response to @JLBowler I think of it kinda as a response like Mike Helton from NASCAR. You may not like the answer or the way it was done but it was to the point. Thats just me though.

There is a reason this league is one of the best and im proud to be a part of it. If you can be proud to be a part of something and enjoy it with the paycheck for everyone at the end of the day is the same then to me that says something.

 

[watermelon punch]

I too think Time Trials ought to be set to "race alone".
It's nice to do it in tandem (and get the monies!), but not have another car distracting or in the wrong place at the wrong moment to mess up a good lap or mess up your focus.

I've been setting Makeshift Shuffle Time Trials to "race alone" & I haven't had any complaints.
Just my

And for another "20p"... frankly, I think SNAIL is pretty darn lenient if there's a "Last Chance List" for drivers who "act like a douche bag in the track causing carnage".
That kind of thing would immediately warrant what we call "The Essay Penalty" in Makeshift Shuffle.

and if you screw up whether by accident or on purpose and get caught you pay the price!!!

Yeah, it's not fun to get penalties, particularly for minor accidental transgressions, but that's pretty much how it has to be, so that things stay fair for everyone.

 

[Schmiggz]

@singlepaddy , I'm not sure you read and understood my post completely...

 

[FloptaStr8]

... And for another "20p"... frankly, I think SNAIL is pretty darn lenient if there's a "Last Chance List" for drivers who "act like a douche bag in the track causing carnage".
That kind of thing would immediately warrant what we call "The Essay Penalty" in Makeshift Shuffle.

Yeah, it's not fun to get penalties, particularly for minor accidental transgressions, but that's pretty much how it has to be, so that things stay fair for everyone.

Not all are d' bags and cause carnage. As a matter of fact I would say a legit 95% of the LCL drivers are not malicious at all. They have had a run of "bad luck" so-to-speak. Several minor infractions, or making a big mis-braking point causing a big penalty, but totally unintentional. One should not lump everyone in one category. I would race with many of those on the LCL in a heart beat.

 

[watermelon punch]

@FloptaStr8 - I assumed that most drivers who get penalties are not griefer dirty drivers, but just generally clean racers who made mistakes or lost their heads at some point, whatever.

After all, penalties are for clean drivers... for when they make mistakes.
In my experience, penalties are hardly a deterrent for deliberate dirty drivers anyhow.

 

[vsfit]

Are we really discussing the rules? They are the rules, every race organization in the world has them. I just received the hard copy version of this. (https://www.nasaproracing.com/rules). You think these guys would listen to me 🤬 when I wanted to argue why I kept cutting the chicane at Mid-Ohio? I'll answer that for you. No, take your 6 point penalty and move to P18 on the grid please.

The problem with rules is generally not the rule itself but can be attributed to one of the following.
1. Lack of familiarity with the rules
2. Gross interpretation of the rules

It is the responsibility of every driver to not only know and understand the rules but also how to effectively compete on the track within the boundaries set forth by the rules. I know this is a game, but we all choose to play it here, and here has rules. If you want to discuss them, at least familiarize yourself with them. If you need further clarification, PM a steward.

I've read through the SNAIL OLR at least five, maybe six times now, it makes sense to me to fully understand every rule I'm bound by before I race. But I'm guessing that has more to do with my OCD more than anything..

If anyone remembers, I had a major issue with a specific rule here not too long ago, had a little baby fit, did the old 🤬 this and hit the road. Most of it was because of my own interpretation of a rule.

 

[ExoSphere64]

SNAIL track boundary and pack racing trainer.​

 

[vsfit]

Just posted this to move past this thread page count.

 

[JLBowler]

The driver's list has been updated and is ready to go for tonight.

 

[Lessen]

I know with tomorrow's race their is the first chicane at the Stowe circuit that doesn't have cones on each side but does have the tire marks so will make it easier to identify where to turn into the chicane without cutting through the white lines.

If ya don't mind too much I would like to use this as an example to highlight a tip I would like to share.

I think racers will benefit from realizing and understanding sometimes we have to be skillfully selective of what we use as marks to define how we navigate a corner. It would be wise not to depend on marks you may not be able to see in traffic or that might get moved later in a race.