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Don't forget the IV with your favorite non carbonated adult beverage....đź‘Ť
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Don't forget the IV with your favorite non carbonated adult beverage....đź‘Ť
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The number of times that @JLBowler has fish slapped someone on this thread for not reading or following directions?
The number of times that @JLBowler has fish slapped someone on this thread for not reading or following directions?
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The number of times that @JLBowler has fish slapped someone on this thread for not reading or following directions?
That number is well under 100.
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I endorse it as approved for all racing...and snoozing....very comfy ....and the driving position is AWESOME. Of course my 68 year old body finds getting in out less than amusing. Occasionally while crawling out on my hands and knees ( don't want to get it dirty standing up in it like a real formula car) I think about a somewhat more upright rig...but driver position wins every time.I recently bought one of these and a 10 dollar furniture moving dolly at Home Depot. When I need to move it I tilt it onto the dolly (on the chair back) and roll it away. Works well. Bob Earl is not going to make these anymore and he was selling them at highly reduced prices. Check out his website to see if has any more left if your interested. I have a 38ish inch monitor that I sit on a homemade stand over my legs, about where a windshield would be. Hope the info is useful.
Good Choice Crozz.
We have been testing there since last weekend for the Bathurst 12 in GTP ES...with no problems...hope you're wrong.
FORMULA FORDS....FORMULA FORDS....credit card removed from wallet, breath baided, tears in eyes, PLEASE! I want some more.!
DITTO in spades. Until you have driven these sexy little mothers either virtually or really you have no concept of close competition in real cars ( not Vees Robbie
)... Yes I am prejudiced.Great priorities there Dragon they show superbe maturity and experience.
. If you do not do this your rear end will be worn out from self kicking.
We had an internet training session after GTP ES practice ...he is VERY trainable. ..I actually got emails with stint pictures attached . Watch out for this guy ....he is smart and fast...and trainable. Not to mention a pleasure to team up with.đź‘Ť
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I endorse it as approved for all racing...and snoozing....very comfy ....and the driving position is AWESOME. Of course my 68 year old body finds getting in out less than amusing. Occasionally while crawling out on my hands and knees ( don't want to get it dirty standing up in it like a real formula car) I think about a somewhat more upright rig...but driver position wins every time.
Good Choice Crozz.
We have been testing there since last weekend for the Bathurst 12 in GTP ES...with no problems...hope you're wrong.
FORMULA FORDS....FORMULA FORDS....credit card removed from wallet, breath baided, tears in eyes, PLEASE! I want some more.!
DITTO in spades. Until you have driven these sexy little mothers either virtually or really you have no concept of close competition in real cars ( not Vees Robbie
Great priorities there Dragon they show superbe maturity and experience.
. If you do not do this your rear end will be worn out from self kicking.
We had an internet training session after GTP ES practice ...he is VERY trainable. ..I actually got emails with stint pictures attached . Watch out for this guy ....he is smart and fast...and trainable. Not to mention a pleasure to team up with.đź‘Ť
Oh @Nail-27... Vees give you better racing, while Fords give better photo ops (i.e. Powerslides and 4 wheel drifts)
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Be nice to know something on cars.
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It is close to the amount of available IP addresses in IPV6...
And the exact amount of cat hairs on my race seat...
It is close to the amount of available IP addresses in IPV6...
And the exact amount of cat hairs on my race seat...
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@Dragonwhisky A pair of numbers that couldn't possibly compute past human understanding.
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By my clock here it's now 8PM Eastern. The number contest is now over.
More to follow.
More to follow.
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The question that burned me to spend a part of my day today doing research and asking some folks I work with, who I know to be much better at arithmetic exercises than I, for their gray matter ponderings on this question was; What is the probability of any combo prize pick being an exact replica of a previously run combo?
The number I posted was generated here, by using the base numbers of 1200 (cars) and 80 (track layouts), so, those Snails, posting anything related to possible GT6 combinations get the 20 $hells. By my reckoning those Snails are;
@chevron - gets a bonus of 5 for being the first response, period, and considered correct.
@jobyone
@FloptaStr8
@Falango
@JLBowler
There were some "Honorable Mentions" I've given $hells for, just because I found their efforts particularly amusing. Not in a, that's ridiculous or stupid funny way, but rather a, that's just hilariously funny way. Those Snails are;
@vsfit
@SolidSnake7735
@TomMang_68
@Lessen
@ptslopoke - who forgot to tag me in his post but, it was funny anyway.
The folks that took a bash at finding out what the hell to call that number will be getting $hells, just for making the effort. I honestly have no idea what that number would be called. According to this wiki a Centillion is actually bigger than a Googol, which is a 1, followed by 100 zeros. A GoogolPlex is a 10 followed by 100 Googols and according to one article I read today is so big, there aren't enough atoms in the universe to count it. I do know this however, the number I posted has 243 zeros, after the leading 146. Which I'm going to call 146 2.43 Googols. It probably ain't right to call it that but, it's my contest and I'll call it whatever I like.
At any rate, the Snails getting $hells for "using resources" or having the knowledge already onboard their OI units are;
@Falango
@TomMang_68
@msgt-sd
@JamCar0ne
@pubason - guessed twice but only gets $hells for this one.
Thanks to all for playing. If your $hells don't show up in the Current $hell Balance sheet, please let me know.
More to follow in next post.
The number I posted was generated here, by using the base numbers of 1200 (cars) and 80 (track layouts), so, those Snails, posting anything related to possible GT6 combinations get the 20 $hells. By my reckoning those Snails are;
@chevron - gets a bonus of 5 for being the first response, period, and considered correct.
@jobyone
@FloptaStr8
@Falango
@JLBowler
There were some "Honorable Mentions" I've given $hells for, just because I found their efforts particularly amusing. Not in a, that's ridiculous or stupid funny way, but rather a, that's just hilariously funny way. Those Snails are;
@vsfit
@SolidSnake7735
@TomMang_68
@Lessen
@ptslopoke - who forgot to tag me in his post but, it was funny anyway.
The folks that took a bash at finding out what the hell to call that number will be getting $hells, just for making the effort. I honestly have no idea what that number would be called. According to this wiki a Centillion is actually bigger than a Googol, which is a 1, followed by 100 zeros. A GoogolPlex is a 10 followed by 100 Googols and according to one article I read today is so big, there aren't enough atoms in the universe to count it. I do know this however, the number I posted has 243 zeros, after the leading 146. Which I'm going to call 146 2.43 Googols. It probably ain't right to call it that but, it's my contest and I'll call it whatever I like.
At any rate, the Snails getting $hells for "using resources" or having the knowledge already onboard their OI units are;
@Falango
@TomMang_68
@msgt-sd
@JamCar0ne
@pubason - guessed twice but only gets $hells for this one.
Thanks to all for playing. If your $hells don't show up in the Current $hell Balance sheet, please let me know.
More to follow in next post.
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Dragonwhisky
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On to the "agenda".
That burning question mentioned in the above post has been burbling in the back of my head for months. The number posted to start the contest has been proven, to me at least, to be farcical and utterly useless, not to mention, incomprehensible to visualize, at best.
In my research today to find the "true" number of combinations possible I also visited this page. Input the same two numbers, 1200 (Cars) and 80 (Track Layouts) which, as it turns out, aren't precisely accurate, but close enough, given the results, and it spit out this number;
2,041,752,280,022,756,137,705,557,217,992,270,632,276,912,184,115,493,545,683,493,895,535,772,986,821,526,839,449,588,915,828,038,258,034,452,615,540,946,946,111,821,350.
This number is considerably smaller than the first one. I still wasn't convinced it was a "true" representation of the number of combinations SNAIL could possibly race. So, I asked one of the programmers in my office (who I consider a "layman's programmer") the base question, after explaining how combos in SNAIL work, how many combinations could there be? We talked and he did a little research himself and arrived at the following formula;
C*TL - and in the example I gave him using the same numbers used at the web site above arrived at 96,000 possible combinations.
The astronomical difference in the 3 numbers was such that I was still not satisfied I had that true answer.
I then asked another co-worker, whom I've known since he was a teenager, who is now close to 30 and admitted he started studying Algebra at the age of 6 or 7, and still just as precocious now as he apparently was then, with a book his uncle gave him that was published in 1920 or so and posed him the same question, after providing the same basic back ground on how our combos work. He put forth several factorial formulas to use, reviewed the formulas at the site I had used to get those crazy numbers and put forth the following formula;
((C+TL)*((C+TL+1)))/2, which, with at 1200X80 resulted in 819,840 possible combinations. Based on that number and, if we changed every combo, every week, it would take 5,693 years to get to every possible car and track combination. 285 generations (using a 20 year span for each gen) of Snails. We don't change every combo, every week, so it would probably take at least 33% longer to get there.
After seeing JLBowler's post regarding car and track counts I used the above formula on his car count and the track layout count shown here. That was similar in the result with 850,860 possible combinations taking 5,909 years and 295 generations of Snails to complete racing having used every car and every track.
It doesn't really matter who's "formula" we use to determine how many combinations there are. Even the "layman's programmer" solution would take 667 years and 33 generations of Snails to run every combo there is possible.
The conclusions I draw from all this are, the probability a combo is picked that replicates a previously run combo is not just low, it's infinitesimally low. Conversely, the probability of combo replication goes up every week we run an un-replicated combo. The increase in that probability is probably as low, or lower, as the chances of replicating one.
Another conclusion I've drawn is, prize winners have a very good chance of picking a track SNAIL has visited at least once in 135 weeks, but not a good chance of putting a car we've run at that specific track, unless that winner actually looks at the historical data and does it on purpose. Since there's a good chance SNAIL has run a track at least once, (no, I'm not going to look at the sheet to count every track ran) the only practical variable for original combo choice is the car. In this case, ignorance of the historical data could work better for picking an original combo. Random (read ignorant) choice will however provide a greater chance for replication versus being informed of which cars were raced and where.
The bottom line here is, winners, pick a car and track combo you feel will provide a fun experience for at least yourself and let the voting chits fall where they may.
Again, I'd like to thank everyone who played along here. It was entertaining and educational, hopefully for others besides myself.
Dragonwhisky out.
That burning question mentioned in the above post has been burbling in the back of my head for months. The number posted to start the contest has been proven, to me at least, to be farcical and utterly useless, not to mention, incomprehensible to visualize, at best.
In my research today to find the "true" number of combinations possible I also visited this page. Input the same two numbers, 1200 (Cars) and 80 (Track Layouts) which, as it turns out, aren't precisely accurate, but close enough, given the results, and it spit out this number;
2,041,752,280,022,756,137,705,557,217,992,270,632,276,912,184,115,493,545,683,493,895,535,772,986,821,526,839,449,588,915,828,038,258,034,452,615,540,946,946,111,821,350.
This number is considerably smaller than the first one. I still wasn't convinced it was a "true" representation of the number of combinations SNAIL could possibly race. So, I asked one of the programmers in my office (who I consider a "layman's programmer") the base question, after explaining how combos in SNAIL work, how many combinations could there be? We talked and he did a little research himself and arrived at the following formula;
C*TL - and in the example I gave him using the same numbers used at the web site above arrived at 96,000 possible combinations.
The astronomical difference in the 3 numbers was such that I was still not satisfied I had that true answer.
I then asked another co-worker, whom I've known since he was a teenager, who is now close to 30 and admitted he started studying Algebra at the age of 6 or 7, and still just as precocious now as he apparently was then, with a book his uncle gave him that was published in 1920 or so and posed him the same question, after providing the same basic back ground on how our combos work. He put forth several factorial formulas to use, reviewed the formulas at the site I had used to get those crazy numbers and put forth the following formula;
((C+TL)*((C+TL+1)))/2, which, with at 1200X80 resulted in 819,840 possible combinations. Based on that number and, if we changed every combo, every week, it would take 5,693 years to get to every possible car and track combination. 285 generations (using a 20 year span for each gen) of Snails. We don't change every combo, every week, so it would probably take at least 33% longer to get there.
After seeing JLBowler's post regarding car and track counts I used the above formula on his car count and the track layout count shown here. That was similar in the result with 850,860 possible combinations taking 5,909 years and 295 generations of Snails to complete racing having used every car and every track.
It doesn't really matter who's "formula" we use to determine how many combinations there are. Even the "layman's programmer" solution would take 667 years and 33 generations of Snails to run every combo there is possible.
The conclusions I draw from all this are, the probability a combo is picked that replicates a previously run combo is not just low, it's infinitesimally low. Conversely, the probability of combo replication goes up every week we run an un-replicated combo. The increase in that probability is probably as low, or lower, as the chances of replicating one.
Another conclusion I've drawn is, prize winners have a very good chance of picking a track SNAIL has visited at least once in 135 weeks, but not a good chance of putting a car we've run at that specific track, unless that winner actually looks at the historical data and does it on purpose. Since there's a good chance SNAIL has run a track at least once, (no, I'm not going to look at the sheet to count every track ran) the only practical variable for original combo choice is the car. In this case, ignorance of the historical data could work better for picking an original combo. Random (read ignorant) choice will however provide a greater chance for replication versus being informed of which cars were raced and where.
The bottom line here is, winners, pick a car and track combo you feel will provide a fun experience for at least yourself and let the voting chits fall where they may.
Again, I'd like to thank everyone who played along here. It was entertaining and educational, hopefully for others besides myself.
Dragonwhisky out.
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Numbers contest? It was to many for me to read. It made my head hurt
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@Rednose58 ,
Dude, I think you should have a read at the multi-post policy.
For that fish slap you get this.
Dude, I think you should have a read at the multi-post policy.
For that fish slap you get this.
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How did the algorithm take into account that some cars & some tracks are far more popular than others? ^^
I mean let's face it, it may be a shame, but the Honda Life Step Van @ Matterhorn Short Track is unlikely to be a favoured combo... even among me & my racing pals... a few who, just last week, voted that we should have a heavy damage endurance at Madrid Mini Reverse in the Renault 5 Turbo.
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The question that burned me to spend a part of my day today doing research and asking some folks I work with, who I know to be much better at arithmetic exercises than I, for their gray matter ponderings on this question was; What is the probability of any combo prize pick being an exact replica of a previously run combo?
The number I posted was generated here, by using the base numbers of 1200 (cars) and 80 (track layouts), so, those Snails, posting anything related to possible GT6 combinations get the 20 $hells. By my reckoning those Snails are;
@chevron - gets a bonus of 5 for being the first response, period, and considered correct.
@jobyone
@FloptaStr8
@Falango
@JLBowler
There were some "Honorable Mentions" I've given $hells for, just because I found their efforts particularly amusing. Not in a, that's ridiculous or stupid funny way, but rather a, that's just hilariously funny way. Those Snails are;
@vsfit
@SolidSnake7735
@TomMang_68
@Lessen
@ptslopoke - who forgot to tag me in his post but, it was funny anyway.
The folks that took a bash at finding out what the hell to call that number will be getting $hells, just for making the effort. I honestly have no idea what that number would be called. According to this wiki a Centillion is actually bigger than a Googol, which is a 1, followed by 100 zeros. A GoogolPlex is a 10 followed by 100 Googols and according to one article I read today is so big, there aren't enough atoms in the universe to count it. I do know this however, the number I posted has 243 zeros, after the leading 146. Which I'm going to call 146 2.43 Googols. It probably ain't right to call it that but, it's my contest and I'll call it whatever I like.
At any rate, the Snails getting $hells for "using resources" or having the knowledge already onboard their OI units are;
@Falango
@TomMang_68
@msgt-sd
Thanks to all for playing. If your $hells don't show up in the Current $hell Balance sheet, please let me know.
More to follow in next post.
Thanks for the shells!
Now the big question!
Did you and your Math Think Tank get any actual work done today? haaaa
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