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[watermelon punch]

Dumb question # 17

When selecting a car / track combo is testing the combo a requirement before finalizing the decision ?

I don't know how it would be policed to make sure the person tested it, if it were required.

But I think the common sense answer is -
you probably should if you don't want to invite wrath!

 

[JLBowler]

Actually, I'm pretty sure some people do care what your personal take is. Not everybody here is so self-centered that they have no desire to listen to others' opinions; such as mine to point out I think it's complete garbage that you seem to have valuable information about how to handle the car based on your experience, but refuse to share. Isn't learning and progression the whole point of all this? SMH

If anyone wants to know what I learned, I will share privately (to be honest, it's not much and probably falls more under the opinion umbrella than good solid advice).

 

[TomMang_68]

I don't know how it would be policed to make sure the person tested it, if it were required.

But I think the common sense answer is -
you probably should if you don't want to invite wrath!

Off the top of my head, 10 lap replay upload sent to prize coordinator? photographic evidence ? I'm not sure , but some consideration should be made if my decision affects +100 drivers. just sayin.

 

[Lessen]

but some consideration should be made if my decision affects +100 drivers. just sayin.

I am of the same mindset Tom, but I understand that there are also those that believe as a winner they have a right to choose what they want (and they do!) to attain whatever they want. For some it's a lasting combo that will be enjoyed by the majority, for others it may be what they enjoy personally. Me personally, I'd try to choose something that I felt would be conducive to good racing... something this combo (Actually, just the car itself) may not be the great at.

 

[Falango]

I don't think it should even be said, that when you are a prize winner, you should have extensively tested what you are picking. Maybe I consider it a bit more obvious than others.

 

[watermelon punch]

Off the top of my head, 10 lap replay upload sent to prize coordinator? photographic evidence ? I'm not sure , but some consideration should be made if my decision affects +100 drivers. just sayin.

I guess I was making the mistake of judging others by myself... in that just risking having +100 drivers angry at me would be incentive enough to test the choice!
There's enough work that goes into everything... volunteers' time is put to better use reviewing replays of actual races to make sure races stay honest & fair.

After all, what's one combo that turns out to be a bummer? If it's a harrowing exercise with wailing & gnashing of teeth, it will be voted off post haste anyway. Live a little, I say. Try something silly or annoying and have fun with it. There's always next time.

 

[Lessen]

I also think it should be quite obvious to test with the tires that are spec'd in our rules. Maybe it's just folks getting caught up in the excitement, who knows.

 

[GTP_Nobby]

CoachMK21 QUOTE="CoachMK21, post: 10545538, member: 250889"]@GTP_Nobby asked me if I had a full session from my HPDE last fall. So, I put in a few hours putting this together. It's from my final 40ish minute session and had some pretty consistent lap times, including my fastest. I had a pretty good back and forth with a Porsche 911. He had WAY more umph on the straights, but I would catch him on the corners. Loads of fun.

Please like, comment and share the video (and my others too). Thanks!

[/QUOTE]
@CoachMK21
Sweeeet!!! Dude it was so cool watching you get more comfortable with the track as you went on. I absolutely love hearing that engine rev! Is there some way to get the engine mic'd? That would be cool. Great video! One question regarding the real car vs game car. How do you think a 350z in gt6 compares with real life? Wouldn't it be cool if gt6 had more North American tracks so we could get familiar with them before driving? Great job. Keep 'em coming and thanks for listening!

 

[Wolfsatz]

That Ford GT is nothing. I have a big problem with the LFA in reverse on SSR5. There is only one reverse gear, it maxes out at 75 km/h and it is extremely difficult to take the hairpins at a reasonable speed. I vote that we change the combo and drive forward so we can use all the gears.

Dumb question # 17

When selecting a car / track combo is testing the combo a requirement before finalizing the decision ?

NO. But how can anyone select a good combo without testing it first?

 

[CoachMK21]

CoachMK21 QUOTE="CoachMK21, post: 10545538, member: 250889"]@GTP_Nobby asked me if I had a full session from my HPDE last fall. So, I put in a few hours putting this together. It's from my final 40ish minute session and had some pretty consistent lap times, including my fastest. I had a pretty good back and forth with a Porsche 911. He had WAY more umph on the straights, but I would catch him on the corners. Loads of fun.

Please like, comment and share the video (and my others too). Thanks!

@CoachMK21
Sweeeet!!! Dude it was so cool watching you get more comfortable with the track as you went on. I absolutely love hearing that engine rev! Is there some way to get the engine mic'd? That would be cool. Great video! One question regarding the real car vs game car. How do you think a 350z in gt6 compares with real life? Wouldn't it be cool if gt6 had more North American tracks so we could get familiar with them before driving? Great job. Keep 'em coming and thanks for listening!
[/QUOTE]

I do have a mic connector, but I need to get a mic. I want to get that set up for this season.

As for the GT6 car vs. real car, I personally find it much harder to drive fast in GT6 than in real life. You don't have that "feel" in GT6 of the car underneath you. The car speaks to you and you can get a sense of when/where the tire limit is.

I would love nothing more in regards to GT6 if they would include a set of North American tracks. Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, Lime Rock, VIR, COTA and MoSport come to mind as some obvious choices.

 

[GTP_Vertigo]

Hell I'd be happy with Sebring.

 

[K1utch]

Hmmmm. Hey guys back again. I'm not going to be racing this Sunday but I saw the conversation and the nit picks and some disagreements on how the Ford GT drives with the different tire compounds. So I figured do some laps and see for myself. Well if anyone cares for my little bit of data on it. I find tIhe car manageable nonetheless it is quite different on the RH compared to the Sport tires. So.here's my critique. 1
Pull more performance from the car at the desired shift point.(refer to performance page and proper shift point readings in car settings)
2. Don't be so aggressive on the brakes take your time get the car pointed to the exit first. The car is unstable due to its front end weight so counter it by occasionally tapping the gas pedal helps put understeer in the car so it brakes in a straight line easier and allows better overall control.
3. Sometimes shifting early helps on lower gears if needed and sometimes 3rd gear is better than second.
4. Patience is a virtue a lot of the times take your time around the track it's faster.
5. Be comfortable with the occasional overseer moments their pretty random if they happen you can help yourself control the car easier by shifting up a gear earlier to reduce the torque it won't be the fastest way to get around the track when you do it but it is safe and as long as you keep the car forward then everything will work out.
That's about it for now I hope it's helpful and hope I see you guys soon. God bless and snail it up

 

[TomMang_68]

To be clear, I'm not nit picking the combos but rather the process (or lack there of) for finalizing the selection. I recall not too long ago, whom ever selected the RUF tested on the wrong tire compound but that was only discovered after the prize winner made their official prize post. Would they have selected the same car on that track had they tested with the correct tire compound? Perhaps.Perhaps not.

Unfortunately once you post the combo,it seems that there are no take backs, even if you admittedly tested out of specifications. Could there be a addendum given to allow a small window of time to correct or change the prize winners initial choice when the prize winner makes an error by testing with the incorrect tire compound?

 

[K1utch]

To be clear, I'm not nit picking the combos but rather the process (or lack there of) for finalizing the selection. I recall not too long ago, whom ever selected the RUF tested on the wrong tire compound but that was only discovered after the prize winner made their official prize post. Would they have selected the same car on that track had they tested with the correct tire compound? Perhaps.Perhaps not.

Unfortunately once you post the combo,it seems that there are no take backs, even if you admittedly tested out of specifications. Could there be a addendum given to allow a small window of time to correct or change the prize winners initial choice when the prize winner makes an error?

Hmmmm. Interesting I see a flaw in that. But I have no say. I do think a change in accordance to that should be made but to am no position to say such a thing. Especially since I just returned. Perhaps jlbowler could consider a change towards it if possible???

 

[JLBowler]

To be clear, I'm not nit picking the combos but rather the process (or lack there of) for finalizing the selection. I recall not too long ago, whom ever selected the RUF tested on the wrong tire compound but that was only discovered after the prize winner made their official prize post. Would they have selected the same car on that track had they tested with the correct tire compound? Perhaps.Perhaps not.

Unfortunately once you post the combo,it seems that there are no take backs, even if you admittedly tested out of specifications. Could there be a addendum given to allow a small window of time to correct or change the prize winners initial choice when the prize winner makes an error?

Again. I"m not trying to offend anyone or call anyone out for anything they have or have not done but the window of time to get it right is while the testing is being done not after the announcement. Once the announcement is made, drivers run for their consoles to start practicing.

It's not like the tire regulations are hidden somewhere deep within the thread. They are in the first post and we have a prize coordinator and other members that would be happy to answer a question about what tires go on a car.

It's been brought up that there are a lot of people effected by a combo choice. Some are going to like a choice and some are not. There is no way you're going to please everyone with any given pick but don't you (meaning you in general as i everyone) think it's worth it to take a look at the tire regs and make sure your testing actually means something?

 

[A7XMaverick]

This car in particular was brought to my attention when the tire regulations were changed and it was tested extensively. It is a different drive on race tires as opposed to sports tires but it's nowhere near impossible to driver. You just have to find the limits of what it will do with the race tires on it.

May I ask why it was decided to keep it on race tires of extensive testing was already done? Or if anything can be done in the future? This affects many cars not just the GT.

 

[K1utch]

May I ask why it was decided to keep it on race tires of extensive testing was already done? Or if anything can be done in the future? This affects many cars not just the GT.

I agree good question???

 

[JLBowler]

May I ask why it was decided to keep it on race tires of extensive testing was already done? Or if anything can be done in the future? This affects many cars not just the GT.

A lot of the high powered MR cars were tested and they are just fine if you adjust your driving to the level of grip that you have and when you have it. They do present a challenge but it's not an insurmountable challenge by any means.

Edit: I don't see 5 or 6 cars out of almost 1200 as "many". That's how many MR production cars there are that have as much HP and torque as the Ford GT.

 

[Rednose58]

Here are the settings for Thursday and the weekend
@zer05ive

 

[Falango]

Data is in for D2!

​

Course 1: Twin Ring Motegi East Course
Pole position: @Nicktune 1:34.014
Race 1 winner: @Nicktune
Race 2 winner: @Nicktune
Fastest lap: @Nicktune 1:34.151

Course 2: Mid-Field Raceway / Forward
Pole position: @Nicktune 1:14.431
Race 1 winner: @Nicktune
Race 2 winner: @WestRoadZ
Fastest lap: @Nicktune 1:14.159

Course 3: Brands Hatch Grand Prix Circuit '80s
Pole position: @Nicktune 1:27.510
Race 1 winner: @Nicktune
Race 2 winner: @WestRoadZ
Fastest lap: @Nicktune 1:27.139

Fun with numbers!

5 - Drivers to make it to the podium

6 - Fastest laps for the night's dominating winner, @Nicktune!

8 - Drivers battling for positions throughout the night

12 - Point spread from 1st to 2nd for the night

13.668 - Closest gap from 1st to 8th place (first race @ Motegi)

24 - Cylinders the drivers had to reign in over the night (I6 Tuscan, V8 Shelby, V10 LFA)

48 - Laps completed over the night

57 - Years between the Shelby and LFA. Each at the very opposite ends of the technological scale!

 

[ExoSphere64]

I probably shouldn't... But I'm gonna...

Everyone needs to stop. Pull your heads out and take a good look around. The entire prize enigma is creeping up on Marxism. I am impressed with the level of competition we have across all divisions but don't let it cloud why we are here. Fun.

If the current trend is allowed to evolve, there will come a time to where the restrictions on prize A selections will become so confined that winning said prize will become a burden. If it hasn't already. I believe in certain restrictions like: track length, rev limiters, F1 based cars on kart space, et al... The rest should be left up to the winner. Not every combination will please everyone. (no 🤬)

Why is it wrong to pick something silly (within reason) or something that makes the winner feel good? Why is it necessary to beat the prize winners like rented mules? Picking a combo should be like sharing music with your friends. Some will hate it. Some will accept it. Some will love it... but all will respect it. Picking a combo should be met with a certain understanding that you are getting to see some of the personality of the individual that chose the combo. Take a poll sometime. Ask everyone what their favorite car (in the game) is and why. There is a story behind every car (or track) we love. When we bitch about a combo, we are attacking something that one of our members loves.

It was once touted in our original O.P. that one of the benefits of our style of SPEC racing only needed a minimum amount of prep time to be competitive and have a good time.. We all have lives and this is a hobby for most. We should not be required to be plugged into SNAIL 24/7. There comes a time to ease up on strict regulation and just relax a little. That is why we are here in first place.

Take a breath. Remove the work boots and take it for what it's worth. Who cares if you like the combo or not. Let the winner enjoy their spoils. If it bothers you all that much, I am sure there is a NASCAR league out there somewhere that will relieve you of the sadness of variety.

SNAIL is an awesome organization and it contains some of the coolest people I have never met. Don't let silly 🤬 get in the way of enjoying good natured competition and great friendships. (You are all in trouble if I ever find prize A in my hands again. You will ALL need therapy!!) Sometimes it isn't all about wins or points. Think of some of your funnest races. Why is C & M so much fun? Sometimes something goofy is what we all need...

 

[Falango]

I'm with you @ExoSphere64, well said. Every week, someone complains about a combo. If someone doesn't like it, don't race it, or race it with respect, and vote to have it replaced, simple. So many people complain about combos and probably don't think about what it would be like if they won, and had their combo bashed into the ground. Why do people come here to complain about the rules when they can just go somewhere where they do like the rules?

 

[A7XMaverick]

You guys are missing the point, it's not complaining about specific combos, it's a fault in the games physics that could be easily addressed.

 

[ExoSphere64]

You guys are missing the point, it's not complaining about specific combos, it's a fault in the games physics that could be easily addressed.

Nope... (Nope, nope) Not missing anything. You hit the nail right on the the head and missed it. It IS a game. It is a bunch of 1's and 0's on a plastic disc. There is always going to be "physics" issues. The whole point of it is that we are all chained the the same inconsistencies. The point is to not take everything so seriously and have some fun. Not everyone can write a book on advanced vehicle physics and racing analysis.

 

[TomMang_68]

 

[ExoSphere64]

Woah man! Someone SO needs to photoshop those into dunce caps!

 

[JLBowler]

On a happier (at least for me) and unrelated note. My new T300 is scheduled for delivery on Tuesday. Maybe having a new toy will actually motivate me to find some time to practice. I haven't been able to make any significant (read less than a half hour a week) time to practice in almost a year. Baseball and basketball season in full swing won't help but I'm hoping a shiny new toy will help.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

Don't forget racing seasons are getting started and we can watch most on their youtube channels a little while after they happen.

 

[Falango]

Don't forget racing seasons are getting started and we can watch most on their youtube channels a little while after they happen.

Yep. Watched the Australian Grand Prix today at work, along with races 1, 2, and 4, of V8 Supercars @ Albert park. BTCC this weekend

 

[DesertPenguin09]

I should follow V8 Supercars too. More cars this year than just the Ford and Holden. Nissan and Merc were there last yer but anyone else new this year? And fofur races?! Daman that's a lot to watch. How long are they?