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[JLBowler]

When you go to " the pits " after it has been found you're missing someone and look at the lobby list, the driver(s) you can't see will not be "blued/greened up" and will appear to be off track. If verified that I couldn't see racers before I even went on track just by hearing the conversations in the room and seeing the list showing no one on track in the lobby

Except in the instances that their name doesn't even show up in the lobby. Every example I have given has actually occurred at least once. The best way we have found to quickly identify and try and fix the problem is to have all drivers in turn one so it can be visually verified who can see each other and who can't so that an attempt to fix it can be started quickly.

Practicing isn't allowed because of the select few that can't handle the responsibility of listening to the host and following directions. I know that isn't the majority here but there are enough of those individuals that force rules like this to be implemented.

 

[Lessen]

I am a firm supporter of no warm-up laps. I agree with all the Bowler mentioned about technical issues, but to me it's about the racing state of mind and I think as a premium club, SNAIL has set the benchmark high in this regard. Out there in the real world you don't get race pace warm-up before the main. You sit there in your car and focus on being focused. There's a lot to be said about the mental preperation leading to the green flag. SNAIL is not a club that forbids "turn one passes" simply to get things rolling smoothly. That's not realistic and doesn't help anybody learn about the mental prep. SNAIL encourages incident free hard racing, from flag to flag, as it should be. Now I'm just as guilty as many about doing donuts and just screwing around, but this is a good opportunity for everybody to be reminded there is good reason to go to T1 and park with patience. Let the issues get resolved, whether that be your competitors or your own state of mind.

 

[USERID_77a23]

Except in the instances that their name doesn't even show up in the lobby. Every example I have given has actually occurred at least once. The best way we have found to quickly identify and try and fix the problem is to have all drivers in turn one so it can be visually verified who can see each other and who can't so that an attempt to fix it can be started quickly.

Practicing isn't allowed because of the select few that can't handle the responsibility of listening to the host and following directions. I know that isn't the majority here but there are enough of those individuals that force rules like this to be implemented.

Never have I ever.... Seen a ghost in the lobby(no name on the list) pretty much online everyday for 5 years , now that's saying something .................I have no life lol

JLB -"I know that isn't the majority here but there are enough of those individuals that force rules like this to be implemented.".
We actually discussed this this week in the divisional conversation and the majority didn't want laps ... Not for these reasons discussed here but no matter what , majority didn't want it

 

[Dragonwhisky]

In the last few weeks, I have gone from what appears to be everyone in the lobby, I'm looking at the participants screen and everything looks normal. I'm last on track and can't see murilo. We both leave, clear cache and I beat him back into the room. Watch his load bar and everything looks good. Go back on track and can't see him. I leave again, clear cache again, get back in last, back on track last and can see everyone at that point. This all took ten minutes and delayed normal start time by 5 because I was late getting in the room in the first place.

If you need to warm up after 9, go run the event time trials. Those can be done in 15 minutes or less.

 

[USERID_77a23]

I for one am always in the room shortly after its open on Sunday. My whole reason for discussing this is I see way too many people in other rooms practicing till the Last minute or just not joining till 1min to start. To me this causes a huge delay because now we are trying to fix problems and the race is suppose to be starting. I figured if we were allowed to do Laps to pass the time they may join much sooner to work out the problems

 

[JLBowler]

Never have I ever.... Seen a ghost in the lobby(no name on the list) pretty much online everyday for 5 years , now that's saying something .................I have no life lol

JLB -"I know that isn't the majority here but there are enough of those individuals that force rules like this to be implemented.".
We actually discussed this this week in the divisional conversation and the majority didn't want laps ... Not for these reasons discussed here but no matter what , majority didn't want it

The complete ghost, or not having a name in the lobby, usually only shows up to the person that can't see that individual. This is a situation where someone else has to tell the person that can't see them that they are there. It can get a little complex which is another reason to have everyone together to figure it out when there is a problem.

My whole reason for discussing this is I see way too many people in other rooms practicing till the Last minute or just not joining till 1min to start. To me this causes a huge delay because now we are trying to fix problems and the race is suppose to be starting. I figured if we were allowed to do Laps to pass the time they may join much sooner to work out the problems

Once the all clear is given, the host should start at the scheduled time. It's been posted that if a driver waits until after the all clear to get in the room, they may miss racing. I have seen instances when a host will hold the start of the night because someone just signed into PSN and may show up. While waiting for them, two other guys show up late and get to race the full night. The hosts should be starting on time and maybe these drivers that can't show up on time will learn something.

See what you did. You started me on another rant.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I know what I would do but this isn't a monarchy and I'm not the president.

 

[Lessen]

 

[JLBowler]

I know what I would do but this isn't a monarchy and I'm not the president.

And if you were in charge and had to deal with everything on a day to day basis, your opinion of how things should be done just might not be what it is as a driver.

 

[USERID_77a23]

The complete ghost, or not having a name in the lobby, usually only shows up to the person that can't see that individual. This is a situation where someone else has to tell the person that can't see them that they are there. It can get a little complex which is another reason to have everyone together to figure it out when there is a problem.



Once the all clear is given, the host should start at the scheduled time. It's been posted that if a driver waits until after the all clear to get in the room, they may miss racing. I have seen instances when a host will hold the start of the night because someone just signed into PSN and may show up. While waiting for them, two other guys show up late and get to race the full night. The hosts should be starting on time and maybe these drivers that can't show up on time will learn something.

See what you did. You started me on another rant.

For me , that's what this is all about .. I don't care to do laps for the sake of practice and warm-up I was looking for a way to get people into the rooms on time. Yes, they are just suppose to be there but it doesn't happen so I was thinking this may help.
D3 be in the room before the all clear is given or you just might miss out on race one (applies to other divisions as well)👍

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

It was a joke to lighten things up. I'll be taking dragons advice and run a TT for each combo as soon as I get home from work. I'll need to on the weekends I work because I often can't get on the game Saturday night so I go from Friday night until race time without wheel time.

Did I mention I'm not that good at this? The only real racing experience I had in life was drag racing, some of it legal. I even removed the sway bars from my car. Didn't have much experience in taking corners.

 

[JLBowler]

For me , that's what this is all about .. I don't care to do laps for the sake of practice and warm-up I was looking for a way to get people into the rooms on time. Yes, they are just suppose to be there but it doesn't happen so I was thinking this may help.
D3 be in the room before the all clear is given or you just might miss out on race one (applies to other divisions as well)👍

The same guys that show up at the last minute are the same guys that overuse the "let me finish this lap" phrase. There are not a lot of them but they are a problem when it comes to starting on time and they will most likely be a problem for starting on time until they miss out on something and learn a lesson.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I also accept JLBowler'a decision. It's his place to make it as the Technical Director of this monarchy , and will be in the race lobby at 9:20.

All joking aside, you work very hard to keep things rolling smoothly and I do appreciate it. Different situations require different leadership styles and you are doing a good job sir.

 

[Kiba Stryker]

After a broken ankle and surgery, I think I am finally ready to start racing again. It looks like I was taken off the discussion list but wanted to see what you needed from me so I can start racing again tomorrow. I was in D5 when when the ankle gave way

 

[Lessen]

Would greatly appreciate any input here.

I'm finally in a position to get a driving rig together. I have a few hundred to get me started but now I'm kind of unsure of what direction to go. My initial thoughts were a T300 with Thrustmaster shifter and Fanatec clubsport pedals. I think if I wasn't concerned with cost that's what I'd do, but I'm starting to think that might simply be more than what I really need and should spend. Here's what i really want out of a rig... I appreciate quality, but I realize it's not smart to buy the best I can afford. I'm dead set on a load cell brake pedal and won't sacrifice that particular detail. I want the best immersion experience that I can reasonably afford but without any rig experience I'm not sure what details I might miss (Do I REALLY need brushless servo motors of the T300? Degressive clutch of clubsport pedals?)

So right now I'm kinda leaning toward an all Fanatec setup. GT3 RS wheel/CSR Elite inverted/Clubsport shifter. This combo is less than $550 and that's a much more responsible budget for this than other top tier options. I still need opinions though, because I don't want to make a decision based solely on cost. I want to be confident that my purchase will deliver the sim experience I'm ultimately looking for.

 

[singlepaddy]

Continuing the discussion from earlier I would like to relate to you all my experience or shall I say lack of experience with real racing.
Back in the mid 80's a couple of buddies and I decided we would attempt stock car racing at our local dirt track called RIVERVIEW RACEWAY.
There was three divisions...Late Model, Modified and Bomber class which we were in....basically completely stock with a roll cage. I was not the driver but instead part of the pit crew. The first year we were quite successful winning rookie of the year!!!
Other than winning body beautiful a few times for best paint job we were unable to win a championship though we always finished top five in points.
Until finally in 1994 we won ourselves that elusive title only to find out that the raceway was shutting down for good after the end of that season. So that was it for racing.
But the one thing we were most famous for or should I say infamous for was winning a trophy for best roll over ever. From what we could figure out is the steering locked up going into the corner which launched him straight off the embankment Dukes of Hazard, Smokey and the Bandit style into a triple end over end followed by very impressive pirouette...but here's the kicker...after buddy shook of the cobwebs and stopped seeing stars we actually got the car fired up and finished the race!!! And for that we were awarded a special trophy at the end of the year. I wish I had a picture of it.

I do have a couple of pics from back in the day, sorry for the poor quality.
Good times and good memories though.

Found a few more!!

 

[Rednose58]

Some action from this afternoon chilling on Grand Valley

@Falango

Higher resolution photos here

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

My opinion of pre-race lap running is the same as when I saw people studying right before an exam in college. If you don't know it by now, this last five minutes isn't going to do you any good.

 

[CoachMK21]

After a broken ankle and surgery, I think I am finally ready to start racing again. It looks like I was taken off the discussion list but wanted to see what you needed from me so I can start racing again tomorrow. I was in D5 when when the ankle gave way

Send a PM to @CoachMK21, @JLBowler, @Dragonwhisky, @nmcp1 and @zer05ive to get reinstated.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

After a broken ankle and surgery, I think I am finally ready to start racing again. It looks like I was taken off the discussion list but wanted to see what you needed from me so I can start racing again tomorrow. I was in D5 when when the ankle gave way

Send a PM to @CoachMK21, @JLBowler, @Dragonwhisky, @nmcp1 and @zer05ive to get reinstated.

Might want to hustle too. Little more than 1.5 hours to TT deadline for new and returning drivers.

 

[zeromisfit999]

Anyone else just get totally booted from the server

 

[Handlebar]

Topsy turvy day 2.

Combined Autocross and DE day - we rented two tracks. The AX course was something like 1.1 miles, adding cone gates and slalom through the track, transition to a cone series on the skid pad (albeit dry- I loved that part!), and transition back to the old track. That was much, much fun.

Skid Pad - fun! The instructor took my daughter for six laps of a continuous drift in his M5. Wow!

Track - my instructor gave me solo privileges and I romped over my group until Lunch. The Heel-Toe was even coming together. Then one of the experienced guys asked why I wasn't moved up yet. We discussed the particulars, and he insisted he would do the checkout himself.

The DC area does have some high caliber guys who get into DE and the hardware and skills seem to climb stratospherically high. The Cayman GT4 in Green was the wife, husband was in Blue. There were many cars that were the S, GTS or whatever that were 5 years old or less. Eeep! This was going to be fast!

We start, and I am trying to build some momentum while trying not to windmill my left arm pass signals out the window. 3 laps, no comments. Lap 4, here comes both barrels of double ought feedback, everything is wrong, etc. i recalled this was somewhat SOP for the instructor, and he does know his stuff. And he is making his points decisively, so wear your big boy pants when he gets in the car.

Still, some of his must do things (only brake in a straight line, all braking done before you shift, must be on throttle before turn in) was... Quite different from instructor #1 who was working on a few places to trail-brake and carry more speed into two corners. #2 didn't want me to shift on 2 corners (#2 was right, faster in our older cars to stay in 4th), #1 had been certain I needed to downshift.

I spun at the end of the session in a low speed area we had been pushing the brake later-later-later line on. Steering wheel wrenched my arm when we swung back. However, it was far better than the guy who had a doe take a swan dive through the passenger side windshield, with very messy results at 100 mph. Driver fine. His car... Better than the deer.

And... I get instructor #3 tomorrow. More to follow (with video).

Good Night.

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FWIW, GT6 was my intro into driving performance, and SNAIL was the spike to the juice. I do not think I would be doing this in real life if not for the lessons I learned, and the help and advice of several folks here.

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

Man, I've had a long day. I'm ready for some beer and laps!

 

[Murilo]

I am not sure that it was talked about, because I confess I didn't reade every post completely, but I am always afraid I don't see somebody,so I get in the room early, but nobody get in track until it is race time, so not allowing practice laps for this poupose is nonsense.

 

[Inconspicuous]

My opinion of pre-race lap running is the same as when I saw people studying right before an exam in college. If you don't know it by now, this last five minutes isn't going to do you any good.

My grades will tell you otherwise...

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

My grades will tell you otherwise...

Did you retain the information, or just regurgitate it? Remember, your paying for education, not grades. But I do understand that we all learn in different ways, what works for me may not apply to another.

 

[zer05ive]

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[GTP_Nobby]

My opinion of pre-race lap running is the same as when I saw people studying right before an exam in college. If you don't know it by now, this last five minutes isn't going to do you any good.

I do not lap before a sunday night race but, I think of lapping before the race as warm-up. Much like a basketball or hockey team does before a game. Like the team, the driver has generally done the work earlier in the week but, unlike the team, a SNAIL driver (in my experience) contends with different levels of grip from lobby to lobby regardless of tire spec.
Now, a fighter will warm up in the locker / dressing room or a hallway (much like a different lobby would be for SNAIL drivers) and then enter the competition area (ring or octagon) ready to go.
Regardless, lapping is not allowed in the official division room for reasons Mr. Bowler has stated. I wholeheartedly support Mr. Bowler and view the entire lapping topic as an academic exercise only.

 

[Inconspicuous]

Did you retain the information, or just regurgitate it? Remember, your paying for education, not grades. But I do understand that we all learn in different ways, what works for me may not apply to another.

Regurgitation of said information would imply prior knowledge so retention would be the answer to your question.

Why pay for a class if you plan to fail? Your knowledge is only as valuable as what you apply it to...

 

[DesertPenguin09]

Who likes beer? I like beer!