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Dr_Strange
All you need to do is go over to the PCARS forum and search G29 vs T300. After the initial wave of the T300 fanboys posting how awesome it is and how outdated the G29 is...you can see several people (many of whom own the T300 and bought a G29 to replace their failed T300) actually got their hands on the G29, did some tests, took them apart and did some more actual scientific tests. The G29 actually functions/feels quite a bit different than the G27. It is smoother, quieter and more accurate. The dead zone is gone and the pedals are even better than the G27 pedals.

Anyways...the G29 actually turned out to be a more communicative wheel over the T300. True the max force generated by the T300 is greater but the G29 seems to possess more detail. Racing is definitely not all about which wheel is stronger...that is just not very realistic...cars don't actually try to jerk the wheel out of your hand going around corners. Many of the setups posted by fast guys tend to be on the light side of the FFB spectrum.

I did quite a bit of research (because I am a crazy bastard when it comes to spending my money). I have heard some awful stories about people getting bad T300s. One guy had a problem, sent it back, the next one had a problem...4 times. The final wheel came to him...he opened it and it was a previously used wheel. Thrustmaster told him that could not be possible...he sent photos etc...they took it back, again, and the guy got a G29.

I just came to the conclusion that for $399 the G29 is the best SET. If you want to blow more money later on accessories and tidbits, then Fanatec and Thrustmaster may be the way to go for you (and roll the dice on reliability). If you have $399 and just want to get the best wheel/pedal set then I feel it's the G29.

Mine works fantastic in PCARS and GT (it is recognized as a DFGT in GT6). And while some of my friends are having problems with the T300, my G29 works flawlessly. The only problem is all the damn complicated FFB menus in PCARS...but there is a great thread over in PCARS forums with awesome FFB settings for the G29.

I'm really surprised that people are crying about compatibility of the G27. Did you guys cry when the PS3 wouldn't play PS2 games? When the PS4 wouldn't play PS3 games? When your PS3 controllers wouldn't work with the PS4, when the PS3 Bluetooth headset wouldn't work on the PS4? I mean come on...

No matter...T300 fanboys are going to buy T300 no matter what. Same with Logitech guys. I was neither, did the research for about a month poring over the forums, you tube etc and feel I got the best wheel/pedal set you can get for $399...G29.


YMMV
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Basically, if you skip past the Thrustmaster fanboys, like you said, and get to the Logitech fanboys then there is a good case for the G29.

Reality for me is that I have a T300 that hasn't given me any issues and it is a far superior wheel to the G27. That is what I can attest to as I have used both. My G27 had to go back to Logitech twice in 18 months. Yes, they handled it well but that isn't exactly a bullet proof product in my mind.
 
Marcus Garvey
That's not what he said.
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He did say skip over the Thrustmaster fanboys. Once I got past them, I saw quite a few Logitech fanboys so I inferred that he wanted me to value those opinions.

I didn't see any "scientific" analysis of the two wheels unless you count the guy that pulled both apart and didn't know what he was looking at. I stopped reading there as I really felt I was wasting my time at that point.

If there is better analysis out there, point me in the right direction and I'll be happy to go read.

Inside Sim Racing review of G29 with comparison to G27. The comparison is done in the beginning of the video. Basically they come up with the brake pedal, which feels like a gteye spring, the throw of the paddles, and the button placement on the wheel as differences. They also mentioned that neither one of them could probably tell the difference between the two based on feel alone.
 
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JLBowler
He did say skip over the Thrustmaster fanboys. Once I got past them, I saw quite a few Logitech fanboys so I inferred that he wanted me to value those opinions.

I didn't see any "scientific" analysis of the two wheels unless you count the guy that pulled both apart and didn't know what he was looking at. I stopped reading there as I really felt I was wasting my time at that point.

If there is better analysis out there, point me in the right direction and I'll be happy to go read.
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As long as you know that what you inferred wasn't what he said.

I'm not in the business of changing your opinion, but irony exists in the fact that you are using G series pedals with your T300. In my experience, your(royal) footwork, and as an extension; your pedals have a greater impact on your pace potential than the wheel.
 
I talked to a guy named "wyldanimal" who is a stand up guy and a rl racer as well. He gave me quite a lot of info in PMs but he has a lot of insight he shared on the thread comparing the two. He has several different wheels in his ownership and bought a G29 while his T300 was in the shop. He did a lot of comparing, tinkering, taking apart, testing etc.

There are several threads of people comparing the two wheels directly in the PS4 thread, the general discussion and the G29 settings thread.

I found a few youtube threads of frustrated T300 people telling of their experiences.

I didn't do a cursory scan...I read a lot of those long discussions over the course of many pages.

No big deal. You are happy with your purchase as I am with mine. The guy on isrtv has been bashed in several threads due to his heavy bias of thrustmaster because he is actually sponsored by thrustmaster. So I didn't put much stock in his initial reviews. So I went digging.

I really wanted to like the T300 more but I am a huge fan of things that don't break. When you see complaints from T300 fanboys then you KNOW someone is frustrated.

I like innovative products but if I start getting a vibe that customer service or product longevity is compromised then I'm out. I'd rather have a less powerful wheel last me 5 years than a new product that I can't use because it's at the factory being fixed. Granted the percentages are small that this will happen...but the percentage is too high for my taste.
 
JLBowler
He did say skip over the Thrustmaster fanboys. Once I got past them, I saw quite a few Logitech fanboys so I inferred that he wanted me to value those opinions.

I didn't see any "scientific" analysis of the two wheels unless you count the guy that pulled both apart and didn't know what he was looking at. I stopped reading there as I really felt I was wasting my time at that point.

If there is better analysis out there, point me in the right direction and I'll be happy to go read.

Inside Sim Racing review of G29 with comparison to G27. The comparison is done in the beginning of the video. Basically they come up with the brake pedal, which feels like a gteye spring, the throw of the paddles, and the button placement on the wheel as differences. They also mentioned that neither one of them could probably tell the difference between the two based on feel alone.
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You ask and I shall deliver lol
 
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Marcus Garvey
As long as you know that what you inferred wasn't what he said.

I'm not in the business of changing your opinion, but irony exists in the fact that you are using G series pedals with your T300. In my experience, your(royal) footwork, and as an extension; your pedals have a greater impact on your pace potential than the wheel.
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I don't know if it's irony as much as it is the fact that I tried both sets of pedals and both wheels for about a week once I got the T300. I chose to use the combination that felt the best to me. If the G27 would have felt better than the T300 then I would be using the G27 to play GT6 and the T300 to play on the PS4. I have no issue switching out the wheels to play different games.

Dr_Strange
I talked to a guy named "wyldanimal" who is a stand up guy and a rl racer as well. He gave me quite a lot of info in PMs but he has a lot of insight he shared on the thread comparing the two. He has several different wheels in his ownership and bought a G29 while his T300 was in the shop. He did a lot of comparing, tinkering, taking apart, testing etc.

There are several threads of people comparing the two wheels directly in the PS4 thread, the general discussion and the G29 settings thread.

I found a few youtube threads of frustrated T300 people telling of their experiences.

I didn't do a cursory scan...I read a lot of those long discussions over the course of many pages.

No big deal. You are happy with your purchase as I am with mine. The guy on isrtv has been bashed in several threads due to his heavy bias of thrustmaster because he is actually sponsored by thrustmaster. So I didn't put much stock in his initial reviews. So I went digging.

I really wanted to like the T300 more but I am a huge fan of things that don't break. When you see complaints from T300 fanboys then you KNOW someone is frustrated.

I like innovative products but if I start getting a vibe that customer service or product longevity is compromised then I'm out. I'd rather have a less powerful wheel last me 5 years than a new product that I can't use because it's at the factory being fixed. Granted the percentages are small that this will happen...but the percentage is too high for my taste.
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If my T300 had reliability issues, I'm sure my opinion would be much different than it is today. I have found over the years that most product reviews and forum comments tend to emphasize the negative as the people who have a product that is working as intended don't feel the need to lash out about it.

Die_Birdy_Die

You ask and I shall deliver lol
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Thanks for the link. He basically spent 8 minutes to get to, you have to decide for yourself and it's more about personal preference. That tells me that they are close in performance. That makes me wonder where the performance bump from the G27 to the G29 is coming from if there is a bump. Is the default software improved on the G29 over the G27? Would there be a difference between the G27s optimized settings and the G29 on PC. On consoles, we have to use the default settings on each wheel. Without the internals being updated, I would have to guess that the improvement is coming from the default software on the wheels.

I can still say with certainty that the T300 is superior to the G27 on the PS3 playing GT6. That is the only direct comparison that I have done or will be able to do so that's my line in the sand. If Costco ever starts selling the G29, I'll go down and get one just to try on the PS4. It won't cost me a thing as I can just return it in a week or two. Membership has its benefits.
 
Considering most of you guys are looking at it from a G27 to G29 upgrade instead of a DFGT to G29 upgrade, we're in two different boats. For me, both of them are huge upgrades, but the T300 is a whole $100 more, and the shifter accessory is also more expensive than it's Logitech counterpart. And from the review it looks like I'd want to buy the pedals too so you see where I'm going with this right? From my point of view it's more logical to get the G29.
 
DesertPenguin09
Considering most of you guys are looking at it from a G27 to G29 upgrade instead of a DFGT to G29 upgrade, we're in two different boats. For me, both of them are huge upgrades, but the T300 is a whole $100 more, and the shifter accessory is also more expensive than it's Logitech counterpart. And from the review it looks like I'd want to buy the pedals too so you see where I'm going with this right? From my point of view it's more logical to get the G29.
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From a DFGT, I can see where the G29 would be a good choice. You would be spending money on an upgrade.
 
JLBowler
Thanks for the link. He basically spent 8 minutes to get to, you have to decide for yourself and it's more about personal preference. That tells me that they are close in performance. That makes me wonder where the performance bump from the G27 to the G29 is coming from if there is a bump. Is the default software improved on the G29 over the G27? Would there be a difference between the G27s optimized settings and the G29 on PC. On consoles, we have to use the default settings on each wheel. Without the internals being updated, I would have to guess that the improvement is coming from the default software on the wheels.

I can still say with certainty that the T300 is superior to the G27 on the PS3 playing GT6. That is the only direct comparison that I have done or will be able to do so that's my line in the sand. If Costco ever starts selling the G29, I'll go down and get one just to try on the PS4. It won't cost me a thing as I can just return it in a week or two. Membership has its benefits.
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Exactly the point is its user preference. Their are people out there who have had issues with their PS3 and then their are people who bought the first gen PS3 and it's still going strong.

A direct comparison is just that based upon the users preference. If you look on forums for people bashing the T300rs you will find it, if your looking for people bashing the G29 you will find that too.

Electronics are all the same stolen from 1 product or another.

My mother does RMA's for an electronics company and like everything their are steps and procedures they have to follow.

I, When I get the money will go to the T300. Why because of logitech. nothing more nothing less. The older thrustmaster's still work on the PS4. However my coming on 2 year old G27 is not compatible. Before buying my G27 I did the same as Dr. I looked up, I reviewed peoples opinions and decided logitech would be a good future start for my sim racing then they pulled all the crap they did with the PS4 and made my almost 2 year old wheel useless when I finally do get a PS4.

I'm not wealthy and need to scrimp and save to get all of the gear I have for my gaming and for logitech to do that basicly hurt my feelings.
 
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Dr_Strange
I'm really surprised that people are crying about compatibility of the G27. Did you guys cry when the PS3 wouldn't play PS2 games? When the PS4 wouldn't play PS3 games? When your PS3 controllers wouldn't work with the PS4, when the PS3 Bluetooth headset wouldn't work on the PS4? I mean come on...
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Um...when very expensive and perfectly good hardware is not supported by next-generation OS or console people often are upset...and quite legitimately so.

My PS3 headset will work on PS4, if it didn't, I would certainly be upset. I was upset when my old analog joystick that I loved became unsupported by Windows...If I owned a $500 Thrustmaster Hotas and if for some reason it wouldn't work on Windows 10, I would be furious. If I had bought a G27 new, then yeah, I would be upset...especially when you see that the Thrustmasters are working fine with the new generation.
 
Die_Birdy_Die
I'm not wealthy and need to scrimp and save to get all of the gear I have for my gaming and for logitech to do that basicly hurt my feelings.
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Lucky for me , I dont have feelings. It comes down to what's better. Reading reviews doesn't really help for all the reasons above. So basically I'm going on trust of the friends I have that own both. More of them like the g29 over the t300 and the ones that own g29 and g27 say they don't feel the same in gt6. Wish I could test both locally before I buy because personal feel plays into all this but I doubt that will happen. Both wheels are decent wheels that will get the job done
 
Here's my list of wheels since 2004
  1. Madcats = 2004
  2. Driving Force Pro = 2005 & 2006
  3. Driving Force GT = 2007 &2008
  4. Driving Force GT = 2009
  5. Driving Force GT = 2010 & 2011
  6. Driving Force GT = 2012 & 2013
  7. Thrustmaster T500rs = 2014 & 2015 cracked the aluminum rim across buttons. While waiting for new rim, I bought
  8. G27 = 2015 used it for GT6 very good wheel, still have. Almost new in box. A few months ago I was able to get a TM leather 28 for my T500. In a comparison Thrustmaster is the best for me. And I love that I can change rims on my wheel base in about 2 minutes. Well to be honest Thrustmaster kicks the crap out of Logitech. But Logitech makes make damn good wheels too. And yes I'm very hard on wheels. Add those dollar signs up LOL
 
Seriously...complaining about equipment not being future proof borders on insane.

I used to race motorcycles and helmet safety ratings make your $500 helmet obsolete in 2 secs flat.

Expecting your equipment to be supported beyond 2-3 years nowadays is just not logical. Especially equipment based on technology.

I didn't complain when my PS3 controllers weren't compatible with PS4, my newly bought in ear Sony wireless headset, all my games etc.

It's the nature of the beast.
 
I have been watching and reading the thread on the T300 vs G29 debate. I had a DF Pro from the GT3/GT4 time...10-12 years I guess, and it worked flawlessly, and is still going strong in my son's possession. I now have a G27 and love everything about it except for the fact that it is not compatible on the new console. With that said, just off of my history with Logitech products, the G29 will be my choice when the time comes even though it seems like a redone G27. Still wishing the G27 would be made to work with PS4.
 
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I disagree, to some extent.

Let's keep in mind this is not always limited by technology. There are wheels that are capable of spanning the change in console tech, but those come with a hefty pricetag. So, the flexibility can be had, but folks kinda have to realize you get what you pay for.

And I hate to sound like a dou$@3, but I don't think the helmet example is a fair comparison at all. Race helmets are good for several years and we always know well ahead of time when the new standards take effect and when the old equipment will no longer be allowed for use. We don't necessarily get a next gen console in October of every fifth year.
 
The G29 behaves like a DFGT on GT6. It registers as a DFGT in the game. Only when you plug the G29 into a PS4 or PC do you get the actual G29 experience.
 
Dr_Strange
The G29 behaves like a DFGT on GT6. It registers as a DFGT in the game. Only when you plug the G29 into a PS4 or PC do you get the actual G29 experience.
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Which would probably be very much the same experience we would get out of a G27 if it was supported on PS4 assuming it could be set up the same as the G29 regarding the built in software. I'm sorry, but I'm still not buying the premise that the same hardware is going to bring any significant upgrade in performance.

The T300 feels different from the PS3 to the PS4 but that's on different games as well. It also feels different between PCars and DriveClub.

Any comparison from console to console and game to game is not comparing apples to apples. If you want an accurate comparison between the two, you need to go over to a PC game that has full support for all wheels that you want to compare and do it there on equal footing.

Edit: Someone could do a T300 to G29 on a ps4 but G27 to G29 on PS3 and PS4 isn't going to make any sense.
 
USERID_77a23
Lucky for me , I dont have feelings. It comes down to what's better. Reading reviews doesn't really help for all the reasons above. So basically I'm going on trust of the friends I have that own both. More of them like the g29 over the t300 and the ones that own g29 and g27 say they don't feel the same in gt6. Wish I could test both locally before I buy because personal feel plays into all this but I doubt that will happen. Both wheels are decent wheels that will get the job done
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user you get the opportunity to test both let me know I'll come over and test also lol
 
JLBowler
Which would probably be very much the same experience we would get out of a G27 if it was supported on PS4 assuming it could be set up the same as the G29 regarding the built in software. I'm sorry, but I'm still not buying the premise that the same hardware is going to bring any significant upgrade in performance.

The T300 feels different from the PS3 to the PS4 but that's on different games as well. It also feels different between PCars and DriveClub.

Any comparison from console to console and game to game is not comparing apples to apples. If you want an accurate comparison between the two, you need to go over to a PC game that has full support for all wheels that you want to compare and do it there on equal footing.

Edit: Someone could do a T300 to G29 on a ps4 but G27 to G29 on PS3 and PS4 isn't going to make any sense.
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Exactly. The guy over in PCars forum wyldanimal has done some pretty extensive testing between the two on his PC and PS4.

My point is someone buying a G29 for a PS3 is not going to get the best performance out of it because it is not fully supported.

If you are thinking of getting a new wheel to use on a PS4 then I recommend checking out the G29. But if you are only going to use it on a PS3 then get a wheel fully supported by the PS3.
 

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