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[Wolfsatz]

I actually felt this was happening to me as well, and as a result of that and the result of always being unlucky enough to be in a race full Ricky Bobbys, I haven't done any of the sport races for quite some time, but today I'm going to try to get some in before Snail practice and see if I find the experience any different...........
On a side note, I was lucky enough to find a couple fellow snail racers in a couple of the Sport races, when I was doing them.

Like I said before.... I think you'll find a much better experience with the 'C' race which is usually a 10 lapper. than the 3 or 4 lappers where it is a bit more aggressive lap after lap. Be patient, respect others even those that've wrong you, do not retaliate, and you'll rating will go up quickly.

Once you get to the As... it is a huge difference. Play strategy on the longer races.

 

[DublDee]

Thanks for the tips, unfortunately I had similar experiences with the longer races as well, but as I mentioned it's been a while, and I never was able to do very many before I just got fed up with it......We'll see how today goes.

 

[Wolfsatz]

Thanks for the tips, unfortunately I had similar experiences with the longer races as well, but as I mentioned it's been a while, and I never was able to do very many before I just got fed up with it......We'll see how today goes.

They did something within the last 2 weeks or so... so now they are grouping the racers by their rating. So.. it is a bit better.

 

[TomMang_68]

I know you guys have gone over this already, but I can't find it in the previous posts. How does one turn off the auto messaging in the GTSport races. Frankly, I find it insulting that GTSport speaks for me. While I appreciate the intent - to keep the atmosphere friendly - I don't need anyone speaking for me. I pisses me off to be honest. If somebody could please repost the procedure, or just give me a link to the prior post, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

Hmm... I don't run many GTSport races, but I just now looked at my rating. Seems GT thinks I'm a D.B. I never thought of myself as a D.B. Guess I have some self evaluating to do.

BS maybe but DB never...

So to edit the auto message that makes you look like a total noob when saying "Hi!" Can be resolved by clicking the "GT" icon at the upper left then click "my menu". At the top left of this page you will see a small gear icon, click on that will bring up your "profile settings" where you can edit , delete your lobby greeting and other personal preferences

 

[Mully465]

I have recently been trying to get my SR higher, because I like everyone else wants clean races. Strangely I have noticed that the higher my SR is the lower DR goes. I was looking at this http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=2203147 and as my SR has recently climbed my DR has tanked, in most cases for these races I have qualified in the back half and made 3-5 positions per race. I had a nice sport race yesterday which significantly increased my DR but slightly lowered my SR. Looking at chart on the bottom, when my DR was at its highest my SR was at its lowest. If this is similar data others are getting, where is the incentive to be clean for people who only want to win?

The DR (I guess do not really know) really works with how well you keep it between the lines. I had (and still have) a 'S' SR and at the time a 'D' DR. It never seemed to move, just kinda hovered about midway. I worked on trying to keep it between the lines while sacraficing spots to stay away from the bumber cars. It quickly jumped to a 'C' and now I am close to getting a 'B'.

I think that after you get your SR to a S, it is not hard to maintain it that level. So some of those drivers start driving more aggressive at the highest levels.

The big thing is having more up green arrows than down orange arrows during the race. Also preventing the big time penalties. This definitely also helps keeping the SR up

 

[Tecticles]

The DR (I guess do not really know) really works with how well you keep it between the lines. I had (and still have) a 'S' SR and at the time a 'D' DR. It never seemed to move, just kinda hovered about midway. I worked on trying to keep it between the lines while sacraficing spots to stay away from the bumber cars. It quickly jumped to a 'C' and now I am close to getting a 'B'.

I think that after you get your SR to a S, it is not hard to maintain it that level. So some of those drivers start driving more aggressive at the highest levels.

The big thing is having more up green arrows than down orange arrows during the race. Also preventing the big time penalties. This definitely also helps keeping the SR up

I always thought SR was related to any incidents where contact was made, be it with another driver or going off track. I hadn't considered dr being related at all to staying on the track, I thought it strictly was about gains made against the field. I will keep this in mind and see if I can improve that.

 

[JamCar0ne]

I have recently been trying to get my SR higher, because I like everyone else wants clean races. Strangely I have noticed that the higher my SR is the lower DR goes. I was looking at this http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=2203147 and as my SR has recently climbed my DR has tanked, in most cases for these races I have qualified in the back half and made 3-5 positions per race. I had a nice sport race yesterday which significantly increased my DR but slightly lowered my SR. Looking at chart on the bottom, when my DR was at its highest my SR was at its lowest. If this is similar data others are getting, where is the incentive to be clean for people who only want to win?

To weigh in on this topic, work on improving your Safety Rating (SR) first. Once you reach S rating, you will begin to be matched against other S rated drivers on a consistent basis and the racing becomes more enjoyable. Your Driver Rating (DR) is a measure of how fast you are but if your SR is low, the DR will fluctuate because you are constantly battling dive bombers.

Choose the daily race combo you find the most entertaining and stick with it. I have had the most fun running the slow car daily races and that is where I earned the level three consecutive clean race achievement. Which is no small feat. Here are my stats: http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1594263

 

[Tecticles]

Apparently all I had to do is whine on a forum. Thank you everyone for their suggestions, ran the two FIA races today, and moved up slightly more than my normal amount in those races. Six positions in the first race, finishing third, and eight positions in the second race finishing fifth. At the top edge of D dr now and made S sr. Still plenty of work to do, but seeing positive progress instead of one climbing and the other dropping satisfies my question about how it works.

 

[Mully465]

To weigh in on this topic, work on improving your Safety Rating (SR) first. Once you reach S rating, you will begin to be matched against other S rated drivers on a consistent basis and the racing becomes more enjoyable. Your Driver Rating (DR) is a measure of how fast you are but if your SR is low, the DR will fluctuate because you are constantly battling dive bombers.

Choose the daily race combo you find the most entertaining and stick with it. I have had the most fun running the slow car daily races and that is where I earned the level three consecutive clean race achievement. Which is no small feat. Here are my stats: http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1594263

How'd you get those stats at kudos to show up?

 

[Wolfsatz]

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[DesertPenguin]

Officially speaking?

 

[Wolfsatz]

Officially speaking?

Just a little.... Party Chat also open

 

[Tecticles]

How'd you get those stats at kudos to show up?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/your-dr-sr-progress-tracker-provided-by-kudosprime.372590/

That thread has instructions.

 

[Adramike]

Now I am rarely one to complain, but I feel it must be said that Thursday Night Practice really needs to be cleaned up. At the start of every single race people were plowing thru the field, punting people off the track and generally using bad racecraft. If its not how you race on Sundays them why race that way on Thursday? 🤬

 

[Wolfsatz]

Now I am rarely one to complain, but I feel it must be said that Thursday Night Practice really needs to be cleaned up. At the start of every single race people were plowing thru the field, punting people off the track and generally using bad racecraft. If its not how you race on Sundays them why race that way on Thursday? 🤬

I think the1st two combos are quite challenging and technical... if you did not run any races prior to practice... you are in for a big surprise. I do not think that people do that intentionally... but that is not excuse to your point.

Then there is a few that will race on Practice night pushing it to the limit testing the waters...

 

[Marcus Garvey]

Thirsty Thursday drivers are thirsty. Thirsty for blood.

 

[MajorBlixem]

Now I am rarely one to complain, but I feel it must be said that Thursday Night Practice really needs to be cleaned up. At the start of every single race people were plowing thru the field, punting people off the track and generally using bad racecraft. If its not how you race on Sundays them why race that way on Thursday? 🤬

Can't agree more. And even though it's practice and you bump someone off the track it's common courtesy to pull over and wait for that person and not continue on as if nothing happened. I'm seriously reconsidering my partcipation in Thursday night practice. I ran 5 races last night and got punted in 4 of those races

 

[soundtiger95]

The more races you run, you' also be able to quickly identify those very aggressive drivers. One of the things I do differently than Sunday Snail races; always protect the inside; some of those aggressive drivers will push the inside but never to go the outside.. and start breaking early; something new that I've seen a couple of times, if they are way above speed, they will ghost through; and breaking early will allow you to recover /compensate if they draw contact. Most times, these drivers end up crashing somewhere later.... so sometimes I just let them through; just to pass them again a few laps into the race.

Thanks for the tips Wolf, always appreciated 👍

I actually use the same strategy of taking the inside during these races to prevent the dive bombing but it doesn’t always work the plan if I’m trying to make up time (which is often the case since I’m rarely out in front lol). I’ll try to focus on that more for sure. The early breaking is something I haven’t tried yet. I do see a lot of people playing follow the leader off the track and while I’m good at avoiding that, it never occurred to me to actively use it to my advantage as dumb as that sounds. I usually brake late when in battles but maybe I’ll start using this technique..

@soundtiger95

This is why snail stays relevant even with sport mode now. There is little accountability in sport mode and there are always ways to game the system whatever it may be unless someone is physically reviewing the replays to analyze the race. I dont think anyone can have the expectation of good sportsmanship outside of a well built system like snail which also has the advantage of racing the same people week to week developing relationships and respect among racers. Sport mode is interesting and a step toward automating a league system but its going to be a long time before that concept is functional from my point if view.

Honestly though, i cant think of a real life motorsports organization that runs conflict free either though. Racing involves heated tempers, egos, cheaters, jealousy and all kinds of conflict. Even at the local tracks i am involved in there is constant drama and bs even among racers who have been competing against each other for decades. The track staff are barraged with complaints and accusations nightly and everyone is suspicious and paranoid of everyone else, even when everything goes smoothly.

Well said. It’s very hard to replicate the system this league has through automation. The sport mode has just given me more appreciation for this league. And yes organizations do have their fair share of drama. But I’d rather take the drama in an organized league and have the chance to race against great racers than race in what’s essentially the Wild West. Any conflict or issue that arises in a league like ours is made up for in the quality of racing. That’s an ok tradeoff in my mind.

 

[Rallywagon]

Can't agree more. And even though it's practice and you bump someone off the track it's common courtesy to pull over and wait for that person and not continue on as if nothing happened. I'm seriously reconsidering my partcipation in Thursday night practice. I ran 5 races last night and got punted in 4 of those races

This is something that has honestly been a complaint since the start of Thursday night practice. No real resolution has been decided on in that time either. It's a hard one though. The stewards already have their volunteered hands full dealing with Sunday night incidents, so throwing more on their plates isnt a good idea. I can see some bad issues arising if someone gets dimed out in chat, or even via messaging here.
Given this isnt a new issue, clearly self policing and hoping for others to show responsibility for their actions isnt in the books though. Maybe we should institute a banned on Thursday rule. If someone gets enough complaints for bad driving, someone submit some proof, since its now very easy for anyone to take and share videos, said bad driver is banned from thursday practices, with possible punishments being enforced into sunday races.

 

[Wolfsatz]

This is something that has honestly been a complaint since the start of Thursday night practice. No real resolution has been decided on in that time either. It's a hard one though. The stewards already have their volunteered hands full dealing with Sunday night incidents, so throwing more on their plates isnt a good idea. I can see some bad issues arising if someone gets dimed out in chat, or even via messaging here.
Given this isnt a new issue, clearly self policing and hoping for others to show responsibility for their actions isnt in the books though. Maybe we should institute a banned on Thursday rule. If someone gets enough complaints for bad driving, someone submit some proof, since its now very easy for anyone to take and share videos, said bad driver is banned from thursday practices, with possible punishments being enforced into sunday races.

there is a lot of videos being shared in facebook asking for GTS/PD to ban piss poor drivers.

I originally do not like the idea.. but given the replay, etc. Perhaps is worth considering some type of norm.

 

[Tecticles]

there is a lot of videos being shared in facebook asking for GTS/PD to ban piss poor drivers.

I originally do not like the idea.. but given the replay, etc. Perhaps is worth considering some type of norm.

Speaking of bad drivers and replays, has anyone seen an answer anywhere why you cant save replays from Sport Mode races?

 

[JLBowler]

I can't speak to this Thursday night's practice but I can speak to what I saw on Sunday night. A lot of people need to practice a standing start BEFORE they get on track with anyone else (this would include practice). How can you expect to have a good clean start if you can't launch in a straight line or with any type of speed that is consistent with the rest of the field? This isn't GT6 anymore. You can't just mash the throttle and wait for the start with every car. You have to modulate the throttle and it's different with each car.

 

[Tecticles]

Would anyone be interested in practices with our weekly combos that are sprints? I am thinking 5-6 minute races maximum, if a lap would exceed the 6 minute mark then it would be shorter. Examples for this week would be 3 laps on interlagos, 2 laps on kyoto combined, and 2 laps on maggiore. This would give more start practice in a full field and generally more practice racing, passing, and braking in traffic as generally the drivers are closer at those points in the race. If not I understand just spitballing.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I know time is always an issue but maybe we can start racing at 9 EST and do three races per combo just to get an extra race in?

 

[Tecticles]

I know time is always an issue but maybe we can start racing at 9 EST and do three races per combo just to get an extra race in?

Well I guess I should have clarified, I wasn't suggesting this kind of practice in lieu of official practice. Just a way to run a room at anytime during the weekly lead up to race day. If there would be interest.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I know what you meant. I was suggesting something for Thursday though. Your idea is really good for unofficial practice rooms.

 

[JLBowler]

Official practice on Thursday night should be a "dry run" of the Sunday night format. I don't know if it's being run that way as I haven't been a regular in official practice since it was moved from Wednesday to Thursday night (who else was here for that?). Other practice rooms throughout the week can be whatever format the host wants them to be. If you want to run one lap races to work on starts, go ahead. If you want to run 2 hr endurance races, be my guest. The only thing holding you back is your imagination and getting drivers to join you.

 

[Tecticles]

Official practice on Thursday night should be a "dry run" of the Sunday night format. I don't know if it's being run that way as I haven't been a regular in official practice since it was moved from Wednesday to Thursday night (who else was here for that?). Other practice rooms throughout the week can be whatever format the host wants them to be. If you want to run one lap races to work on starts, go ahead. If you want to run 2 hr endurance races, be my guest. The only thing holding you back is your imagination and getting drivers to join you.

Any of the Official practices I have been to have been exact same format as Sunday.

 

[Wolfsatz]

Well I guess I should have clarified, I wasn't suggesting this kind of practice in lieu of official practice. Just a way to run a room at anytime during the weekly lead up to race day. If there would be interest.

From my own understanding.. each host is free to run practice rooms as you see fit.
it is helpful to many to practice with the exact settings that are run on Sunday night. Shorter races also tend to UP tempo the aggressiveness to gain positions thus not always creating an amicable environment.

You see this phenomena; you can have the exact same racers on Race C behaving very Snail like..and put the same drivers on Race B.. which is only 3 or 4 laps.. and the aggression just multiples.


Edit:
Official Thursday Practice has always follow the Sunday format with a small caveat. We (or I least I do) only do the very 1st race Qually procedure. All other races are started with the reverse grid to gain and save time and finish on time. Usually by the 5th race a lot of regulars have to drop due to being mid week and other obligations for Friday am.

 

[TEX36]

Thursday nights should not be so much about Winning, as our "practice" would be more beneficial learning how to maintain car control while in close proximity to other cars.
Turning strategies - Braking points while following closely, etc.