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Here are the unofficial results from our league night on January 3, 2021

Click here for this season's points standings and click a tab at the bottom for more detail.

Click here if the data linked above has already been archived and you would like to view it.

Division 1
  1. SAMHAIN85 --------- voted to eliminate Round 3 - 90 (54.36 for Prize C)
  2. Timlour ----------- voted to eliminate Round 2
  3. Nic-KL ------------ voted to eliminate Round 1
  4. MikeGrove --------- voted to eliminate Round 2
  5. Harru_Rowley_10 --- voted to eliminate Round 3
Division 2
  1. Phlano_099 -------- voted to eliminate Round 2 - 81 (122.32 for Prize A)
  2. Kgffty ------------ voted to eliminate Round 1
  3. Yugofan ----------- voted to eliminate Round 1
  4. Grandpas_Money ---- voted to eliminate Round 3
  5. Rauljimenez76 ----- voted to eliminate Round 2
  6. TPC_Guido --------- voted to eliminate Round 1
  7. Akzl298 ----------- voted to eliminate Round 2
  8. Ice_Warden -------- voted to eliminate Round 1
  9. no1needs2perish --- voted to eliminate Round 2
  10. aedenmaddok ------- voted to eliminate Round 3
  11. Fudman420 --------- voted to eliminate Round 2
  12. xExPLoiT ---------- did not submit a vote
  13. CreAtlveManlAc ---- voted to eliminate Round 1
Division 3
  1. jlbowler ---------- voted to eliminate Round 1 - 90 (79.73 for Prize B)
  2. TEX36 ------------- voted to eliminate Round 2
  3. FooleyCooley ------ voted to eliminate Round 1
  4. Canoworms1 -------- voted to eliminate Round 2
  5. RacingChamp30 ----- voted to eliminate Round 2
  6. JamCar0ne --------- voted to eliminate Round 2
  7. Skills_19657 ------ voted to eliminate Round 2
  8. McTrucker000 ------ did not submit a vote
  9. Drummmer1979 ----- did not submit a vote
The round that received the most elimination votes was:
Round 2 - TOYOTA SUPRA 3.0GT TURBO A 1988 (SM) at Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya Grand Prix - 09:00 Cloudy (7 laps)
Therefore the entire combo has been dropped from next week's line-up. Since @Phlano099 wins Prize A, he gets to choose an entirely new car and track combo to replace it.

The round that received the second most elimination votes was:
Round 1 - TOYOTA MR2 GT-S 1997 (SH) at Nürburgring GP - 17:00 Clear (6 laps)
This means either the car or the track will be replaced for next week's line-up. Since @JLBowler gets Prize B, he has the option to freeze the car or the track, or he can give that option to the Prize C winner. If he gives the freeze away, then he gets to decide what car or track replaces the part of the combo that is left unfrozen by the Prize C winner.

Prize C goes to @SAMHAIN85 so he gets whichever option the Prize B winner does not select.

Preliminary prize winners, please don't announce your prize selection until all incident reports have been filed and it has been confirmed that you don't have any penalties. It's also recommended that you review the SNAIL combo history and other data on our car and track history so that you can get an idea how many times we've raced each car and track. Please remember that originality is always appreciated, so picking cars and/or tracks that we've never raced is a plus (but not required). What's more important is that you thoroughly test any combo that you are considering before making it your official selection. For example, any car you select must not hit its rev limiter at any point during a race (even in a draft).

IMPORTANT: When posting your Prize A or Prize B selection, please list the complete in-game name of the car and/or track you are selecting. For example, if you want to choose the Integra Type R as your car selection, post "Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '98". If you want to select Monza for your track, post "Autodromo Nazionale Monza". Being specific helps us to update the lineup accurately and also helps avoid any confusion among the drivers. Also, please be sure to list the HP and Weight (LBS) of any car you select. For track selections, include the time of day (e.g: 09:00 Clear) or else it will be left to default.

Car Selection Guidelines
See Section 3 of the SNAIL OLR, Policies and Guidelines.

Track Selection Guidelines
See Section 3.1 of the SNAIL OLR, Policies and Guidelines.
 
View media item 2540This week's prize winners are clear to make their selections. Good racing!
The IR Submission Form is now closed.​
We have 1 incident on file. Target deadline for reviews is NLT 10PM Eastern on Friday, 1/8/21.
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@SAMHAIN85 @Phlano099 will be included in a conversation in the next few minutes that will contain instructions and deadlines.

I choose to pass the freeze to @SAMHAIN85
 
JLBowler
30 Unique drivers for the November season. 28 Unique drivers for the entire season in December and 27 on the first night in January. Granted, a couple of those didn't hang around for the whole night but it's a pretty good start. Hoping it keeps up.
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I left early because it had gotten late. Was like 8pm when we were starting the last combo and. Ive had to be up earlier for work. I plan on being around more often now that the divisions are a bit more balanced.
 
I have the basic CSL Elite pedal set (no LC). Can someone attempt to describe how the V3 brake pedal will feel better or lead to better lap times on GTSport?

I am interested in upgrading but only if I can see a lap time improvement. Looks, bling, clutch pedal do not interest me at all.
 
CourageRising
Polling question: upgrade to better wheel and pedals or upgrade to better rig?
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I think as long as the rig is fairly rigid you're good. I love the photos of setups based on coffee tables and cushions. I hate when those people are faster than me. Go for pedals. I liked my T300 wheel a lot.

Rednose58
Priority 1 will be to upgrade to a brake pedal with pressure sensors vs. mechanical travel
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Last May I transitioned to the CSL Elite wheel and pedals, but I did add the LC. I think the LC had the greatest impact on my driving. The LC came with 3 sets of 'stiffness' thingeys and I ended up with the hardest of the bunch. It changed my brake pedal from a pendulum to a steel rod, but now brake application is modulated by pressure not position of pedal and I think this has allowed me to be more sensitive to loss of traction trail braking. I've also turned my ABS down to weak and I think that helped.

IceWarden
I have the basic CSL Elite pedal set (no LC). Can someone attempt to describe how the V3 brake pedal will feel better or lead to better lap times on GTSport?
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I am interested in hearing from the vertical pedal crowd.
 
IceWarden
I have the basic CSL Elite pedal set (no LC). Can someone attempt to describe how the V3 brake pedal will feel better or lead to better lap times on GTSport?

I am interested in upgrading but only if I can see a lap time improvement. Looks, bling, clutch pedal do not interest me at all.
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Well.... if you want to go fast - here is the little secret. You can do that with a keyboard, controller, cheap wheel, a full motion simulator or in a real car. Going fast is not coming from the equipment. It comes from how consistent you can do this: (Credit to Andre Marziali)

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Well I am aware of all that. I used to do actual track days at Sebring in an old 911 and have raced motorcycles a bit as well.

I am talking about the “feel”difference between the two. Finding braking limits and feeling it change as the tires wear down.

So many people say how much it can change your racing but I wish I could get an explanation before buying.
 
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As @CANOWORMS1 said the biggest difference will be braking by resistance opposed to learning the travel to find the same pressure. It will only translate to lap times if you are able to take advantage of it by being faster on exit or faster through the apex or anything that you can find that leads to improvments.
 
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IceWarden
Well I am aware of all that. I used to do actual track days at Sebring in an old 911 and have raced motorcycles a bit as well.

I am talking about the “feel”difference between the two. Finding braking limits and feeling it change as the tires wear down.

So many people say how much it can change your racing but I wish I could get an explanation before buying.
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Being someone who just upgraded to load cell pedals i can say the difference is with load cell its not braking distance its pressure. Where non load cell is distance based and the pedals normally feel like a sponge. I believe the load cell is easier to create a muscle memory connection with them over the normal ones because for me it was hard to create that muscle memory due to the pedal being to soft. I believe either could be fast with enough time on the rig. Just remember no matter what u choose evertime u change a piece of equipment until you become familiar with it you will be slower and less consistent.
 
IceWarden
Well I am aware of all that. I used to do actual track days at Sebring in an old 911 and have raced motorcycles a bit as well.

I am talking about the “feel”difference between the two. Finding braking limits and feeling it change as the tires wear down.

So many people say how much it can change your racing but I wish I could get an explanation before buying.
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Adding a load cell to your brake pedal is the single largest gain you will ever experience in sim racing: Full stop. (See how you slip in the pun for humor? And even a pun within the pun?) Someone may say, ‘motion sim’ or direct drive but if you’re hem-hawing on a load cell purchase, it’s safe to say we don’t ever have to entertain those discussions with you.
 
IceWarden
I have the basic CSL Elite pedal set (no LC). Can someone attempt to describe how the V3 brake pedal will feel better or lead to better lap times on GTSport?

I am interested in upgrading but only if I can see a lap time improvement. Looks, bling, clutch pedal do not interest me at all.
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Part II of this discussion (since you still look for the answer that gives you what you seek). [Forgive the double post]
You may have noticed [because I am given grief over it in the lobbies] that I’ve been not using ABS. There’s never one reason to do anything and it follows that I have several reasons for doing it. 1.) Loadcell braking makes it possible to drop ABS; 2.) Loadcell braking adds more pleasure to the driving experience; 3.) ABS is a crutch that controls the car for the driver. And to point 3, why do we sim race at all? Broadly because we enjoy controlling the car on the edge. Then why are we giving up the most important aspect of control? Let me be BOLD and say, because we cater to the majority that want to get by with the bare minimum equipment.

Admitting this in full disclosure: There’s a downside. Not utilizing ABS will make you slower in general. Many cars are fabulous and a few are really awful. Good cars allow you to approach equivalent lap times (as w/ABS). Awful cars mean you will be 2 seconds slower in lap times.
If people latch on to this conversation, they’ll come up with many other excuses why going without ABS has many other downsides; cost, more IRs, general chaos, blah-blah, yada yada . . . Yes, there an adjustment period. I contend the racing would be more realistic. I contend the racing would be more enjoyable. I contend the racing would still result in aliens still remaining aliens (I’ve seen it).
 
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Rob Brown
Part II of this discussion (since you still look for the answer that gives you what you seek). [Forgive the double post]
You may have noticed [because I am given grief over it in the lobbies] that I’ve been not using ABS. There’s never one reason to do anything and it follows that I have several reasons for doing it. 1.) Loadcell braking makes it possible to drop ABS; 2.) Loadcell braking adds more pleasure to the driving experience; 3.) ABS is a crutch that controls the car for me. And to point 3, why do we sim race at all? Broadly because we enjoy controlling the car on the edge. Then why are we giving up the most important aspect of control? Let me be BOLD and say, because we cater to the majority that want to get by with the bare minimum equipment.

Admitting this in full disclosure: There’s a downside. Not utilizing ABS will make you slower in general. Many cars are fabulous and a few are really awful. Good cars allow you to approach equivalent lap times (as w/ABS). Awful cars mean you will be 2 seconds slower in lap times.
If people latch on to this conversation, they’ll come up with many other excuses why going without ABS has many other downsides; cost, more IRs, general chaos, blah-blah, yada yada . . . Yes, there an adjustment period. I contend the racing would be more realistic. I contend the racing would be more enjoyable. I contend the racing would still result in aliens still remaining aliens (I’ve seen it).
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Most modern cars have abs and use it on track. I would support this idea on cars that didnt have abs. Coming up with a formula to determine wether or not the car had abs and implementing it in the olr seems like quite a bit of work.
 
I knew this would be at the top of points that would surface. To make it utterly simple, let me concede. Going through the list of cars would be a pleasure to determine which have ABS. We have members with extraordinary knowledge that could easily cipher ABS equipped versus non-ABS.

EDIT: In any case, despite the vast and well received changes in SNAIL format recently, I would be absolutely astounded if no ABS racing gained traction (again with the puns). That’s definitely not the takeaway I had wished to communicate. Here’s the takeaway that I hoped: @IceWarden understands the benefit of adding a load cell to his brake pedal.
 
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Sunday, January 10, 2021 Lineup
January 2021 Season - League Night #2
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1. TOYOTA MR2 GT-S 1997 on SH Tires @ Brands Hatch Indy Circuit - 10:00 Cloudy - (17 Laps)
2. TOYOTA GR SUPRA RZ 2020 on SS Tires @ Blue Moon Bay Speedway - Infield A - 10:30 Clear - (12 Laps)
3. BMW M3 GT BMW MOTORSPORT 2011 on RH Tires @ Circuit de Spa Francorchamps - 16:45 Clear - (6 Laps)

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