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Akzl298
Correct, the format is from GTS. When the car and track lists were created, it was unknown that the 'default' lobby settings would not be the same as the default track ToD settings. I will be going through the track list this week to avoid future confusion.

Worth noting, this could all be avoided if tracks and ToD were picked based off of a lobby test, rather than just choosing 'Default'
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Akzl298
Gran Turismo 7
Sunday, May 7th, 2023 Lineup
May 2023 Season League Night #1​

1. Toyota GR86 RZ '21 on SM Tires @ Brands Hatch Indy Circuit - S01 Morning - (18 Laps)
2. Greddy Fugu Z on SS Tires @ Autodromo de Interlagos - S01 Morning - (9 Laps)
3. Aston Martin DBR9 GT1 '10 on RM Tires @ Mount Panorama Circuit - S01 Early Morning - (7 Laps)
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JamCar0ne
It's past the deadline and the suggestions are:

Prize A choice is:
Toyota GR86 RZ '21
Brands Hatch - Indy - Afternoon (default)
SM
0:54
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When I tested combos (in an online lobby) and chose the GR86 combo, I listed it as Afternoon (default). My fault for not spelling out Afternoon - S01 Dry, Cloudless and Pleasant for time of day / weather settings. But I figured simply stating default would still yield the same result. Why it was changed to Morning is beyond me.
 
CANOWORMS1
@Akzl298 @Rednose58 To whom it may concern, With the help of @TexHill D2 scores and data for May 07 have been entered. However, there is an error with a couple of values; R2 Best Lap and Points. I've checked for my usual dumb typos and deleted data and re-enterd it (the sign of insanity :)) to no avail. I hope this helps.
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Did I miss something when I took the screenshots?
 
JLBowler
Where is that threshold? Is it 3, 4, 5 in the lower division? At best, it's inconsistent. What if there were 7 and 7, would you combine that? There is room to do so. Who is going to manage it on race night? How much time will be added to admin duties between races?
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No. The threshold would be decided on by "Those in Command" ;) I dunno...a "below reasonable funness" level? 3 maybe? Just an idea so if it happens again where only a few show...and no host etc...at least they have a home ;)
 
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JamCar0ne
When I tested combos (in an online lobby) and chose the GR86 combo, I listed it as Afternoon (default). My fault for not spelling out Afternoon - S01 Dry, Cloudless and Pleasant for time of day / weather settings. But I figured simply stating default would still yield the same result. Why it was changed to Morning is beyond me.
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it was more slippy in the morning then during practicing in the afternoon
 
JLBowler
Where is that threshold? Is it 3, 4, 5 in the lower division? At best, it's inconsistent. What if there were 7 and 7, would you combine that? There is room to do so. Who is going to manage it on race night? How much time will be added to admin duties between races?
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Division allocation is a compromise no matter what. As a driver at the cusp (too fast for D2? and slowest in D1) I waffle. We all want to race with drivers of the same calibre. Divisions is, bar far, the best way to do it. The fewer divisions, the more difficult to find that dividing line. And only 2 divisions makes it really tough. There are drivers I think I can compete with, but it's tough to get everyone together. And any complexity to a night (mixed divisions) adds untold load on the people who work in the background week in and week out. Thank you to all who are doing that: @JLBowler @Akzl298 @Rednose58 (and others I don't know about) and all the division volunteers: hosts, replays, scores, data, etc.

I know rules are important. Trust me, if you're keeping score somebody will push the limit, and without limits it's anarchy....spoken like the true high-school teacher I was. 😁 I'm just happy I'm not whacking people into next week anymore, well maybe just into later today. I wish I had more people to race with in D1, and maybe I'll have to start where I was 3 years ago, don't be DFL. 😁 I'm kind of the Williams or Haas of D1.
 
TexHill
Did I miss something when I took the screenshots
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Your screen shots aren't the problem. I've done something in the data entry that the spreadsheet doesn't like, and typos are the main culprit, but I can't see any. So as a true worker bee, I bunt it up the food chain and hope for the best. 😂
 
CANOWORMS1
Your screen shots aren't the problem. I've done something in the data entry that the spreadsheet doesn't like, and typos are the main culprit, but I can't see any. So as a true worker bee, I bunt it up the food chain and hope for the best. 😂
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Chances are you fat fingered the keyboard and entered a semi-colon instead of a colon. Happens to me once in a while.
 
CANOWORMS1
@Akzl298 @Rednose58 To whom it may concern, With the help of @TexHill D2 scores and data for May 07 have been entered. However, there is an error with a couple of values; R2 Best Lap and Points. I've checked for my usual dumb typos and deleted data and re-enterd it (the sign of insanity :)) to no avail. I hope this helps.
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Scores for 5/7 have been copied to data.

@CANOWORMS1 There was a 'Space' where a space shouldn't be. All set.
 
JamCar0ne
When I tested combos (in an online lobby) and chose the GR86 combo, I listed it as Afternoon (default). My fault for not spelling out Afternoon - S01 Dry, Cloudless and Pleasant for time of day / weather settings. But I figured simply stating default would still yield the same result. Why it was changed to Morning is beyond me.
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You did list it as Afternoon (Default). However, Afternoon is not default. So when I see default, it goes to default.

Default lobby settings are different from default track settings. Lobby sets everything at "Afternoon" from what I understand. I will be going through track list this week, to update all ToD and Weather settings for "Default" conditions. This week threw me for a loop as well, as I didn't know Morning does not exist for Brand Hatch Indy in the lobby settings, rather "Early Morning"
 
JamCar0ne
Chances are you fat fingered the keyboard and entered a semi-colon instead of a colon. Happens to me once in a while.
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I know, but I can't find anything. Feel free to find my over sight and let me know.

Edit: @Akzl298 Is too fast for the both of us. YAY!
 
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Akzl298
You did list it as Afternoon (Default). However, Afternoon is not default. So when I see default, it goes to default.

Default lobby settings are different from default track settings. Lobby sets everything at "Afternoon" from what I understand. I will be going through track list this week, to update all ToD and Weather settings for "Default" conditions. This week threw me for a loop as well, as I didn't know Morning does not exist for Brand Hatch Indy in the lobby settings, rather "Early Morning"
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:confused: :confused: :confused:

Since when is default not default???
 
I'm pretty new and not great with computers to do the scoring but I can save and upload replays when needed. As for the "underflow" issue. It'd be great to join D1 when it's just 3 or 4. But again I don't know enough about scoring to give a good opinion.

@CANOWORMS1 D2 also missed you.
 


Here are the unofficial results from our league night on May 7, 2023

Click here for this season's points standings and click a tab at the bottom for more detail.

Click here if the data linked above has already been archived and you would like to view it.

Division 1
  1. Timlour ----------- voted to eliminate Round 1 - 92 (153.34 for Prize A)
  2. Nic-KL ------------ voted to eliminate Round 1 - 88 (146.67 for Prize B)
  3. GTP_Worstdriver --- voted to eliminate Round 3 - 87 (145.00 for Prize C)
  4. Xrad-11 ----------- voted to eliminate Round 2
  5. Ice_Warden -------- voted to eliminate Round 3
  6. JamCar0ne --------- voted to eliminate Round 1
  7. Kgffty ------------ voted to eliminate Round 3
  8. EvoSpec10 --------- did not submit a vote
  9. RacingChamp30 ----- voted to eliminate Round 3
  10. A_Mindful_Place --- voted to eliminate Round 1
  11. Canoworms1 -------- voted to eliminate Round 2
  12. Flyingdisc315 ----- voted to eliminate Round 3
Division 2
  1. Gurney_67 --------- did not submit a vote - 66 (Division 2 Ineligible for Prize)
  2. Tex_Hill ---------- did not submit a vote
  3. TokenTimmy -------- did not submit a vote
  4. Unsteddie --------- did not submit a vote
The round that received the most elimination votes was:
Round 3 - Aston Martin DBR9 GT1 '10 (RM) at Mount Panorama Circuit - S01 Early Morning (7 laps)
Therefore the entire combo has been dropped from next week's line-up. Since @Timlour wins Prize A, he gets to choose an entirely new car and track combo to replace it.

The round that received the second most elimination votes was:
Round 1 - Toyota GR86 RZ '21 (SM) at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit - S01 Morning (18 laps)
This means either the car or the track will be replaced for next week's line-up. Since @Nicktune gets Prize B, he has the option to freeze the car or the track, or he can give that option to the Prize C winner. If he gives the freeze away, then he gets to decide what car or track replaces the part of the combo that is left unfrozen by the Prize C winner.

Prize C goes to @Worst_Driver so he gets whichever option the Prize B winner does not select.

Preliminary prize winners, please don't announce your prize selection until all incident reports have been filed and it has been confirmed that you don't have any penalties. It's also recommended that you review the SNAIL combo history and other data on our car and track history so that you can get an idea how many times we've raced each car and track. Please remember that originality is always appreciated, so picking cars and/or tracks that we've never raced is a plus (but not required). What's more important is that you thoroughly test any combo that you are considering before making it your official selection. For example, any car you select must not hit its rev limiter at any point during a race (even in a draft).

IMPORTANT: When posting your Prize A or Prize B selection, please list the complete in-game name of the car and/or track you are selecting. For example, if you want to choose the Integra Type R as your car selection, post "Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '98". If you want to select Monza for your track, post "Autodromo Nazionale Monza". Being specific helps us to update the lineup accurately and also helps avoid any confusion among the drivers. Also, please be sure to list the HP and Weight (LBS) of any car you select. For track selections, include the time of day (e.g: 09:00 Clear) or else it will be left to default.

Car Selection Guidelines
See Section 3 of the SNAIL OLR, Policies and Guidelines.

Track Selection Guidelines
See Section 3.1 of the SNAIL OLR, Policies and Guidelines.
 
TexHill
Has anyone heard from Skills? I haven't known him long enough to know if his not hosting last night was something out of the ordinary for him.
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This is the 2nd time a backup host was required on short notice, and each time D2 had their results invalidated. I hosted the first one, but I was using my practice lobby settings and we accidentally did a 1/2 distance race.

If a division has a lobby open, I think it should run as per schedule. What if there is no lobby? If the people affected are willing to have their night's results negated and there is room in the other lobby. I suggest that be allowed to happen. I have not experienced Snail with many divisions and a lack of space in a lobby. My experience of 3 years has been of a shortage of drivers in lobbies.

I know this poses problems. Do you blend them in? That makes the dreaded (at least my me) "Reverse Grid" race even worse. In those races I have been known to get a good start and just drive off turn 1, while avoiding contact of course. It is possible to set the grid by division and finish. If there is a scorekeeper, in attendance, for each division they could keep their own scores.

I'm suggesting this only for when there is no lobby at all, not for poor attendance. And I would also suggest that those in D2 work on learning the ropes of Snail duties. I found that challenging, as there are no workshops, orientation sessions or club meetings, and D2 is heavily populated with the least experienced members.

Anyway, that's just my view...from my 'worm' hole. 🙂
 
CANOWORMS1
This is the 2nd time a backup host was required on short notice, and each time D2 had their results invalidated. I hosted the first one, but I was using my practice lobby settings and we accidentally did a 1/2 distance race.

If a division has a lobby open, I think it should run as per schedule. What if there is no lobby? If the people affected are willing to have their night's results negated and there is room in the other lobby. I suggest that be allowed to happen. I have not experienced Snail with many divisions and a lack of space in a lobby. My experience of 3 years has been of a shortage of drivers in lobbies.

I know this poses problems. Do you blend them in? That makes the dreaded (at least my me) "Reverse Grid" race even worse. In those races I have been known to get a good start and just drive off turn 1, while avoiding contact of course. It is possible to set the grid by division and finish. If there is a scorekeeper, in attendance, for each division they could keep their own scores.

I'm suggesting this only for when there is no lobby at all, not for poor attendance. And I would also suggest that those in D2 work on learning the ropes of Snail duties. I found that challenging, as there are no workshops, orientation sessions or club meetings, and D2 is heavily populated with the least experienced members.

Anyway, that's just my view...from my 'worm' hole. 🙂
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Here's my opinion on what should have happened on Sunday and what should happen if the same situation arises again. D2 should have raced with D1. We only had 4 drivers, none of the drivers were the designated host or backup, and D1 had plenty of slots available. The D2 grid should have been placed behind D1 at every race - regardless of results - and scored separately.
 
TexHill
Here's my opinion on what should have happened on Sunday and what should happen if the same situation arises again. D2 should have raced with D1. We only had 4 drivers, none of the drivers were the designated host or backup, and D1 had plenty of slots available. The D2 grid should have been placed behind D1 at every race - regardless of results - and scored separately.
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I agree with this. Keep us at the back. I don't mind and I'm sure others wouldn't.
 
I've been racing long enough to have raced in every numbered division (8), and many nights there were only 4 drivers. But they were still great nights of racing. Some of those nights even required drivers to pinch-hit on duties. Four drivers still requires racing if you want a podium, and may become 5 or 6 as late comers join the lobby. But if there are less than 3, as in only one or two, then perhaps there should be a bump-up rule. There is still a chance a third could join, that is why I say less than 3.
 
Skills
I’m sorry I’ve been incommunicado. I had some family issues where I didn’t have access to my phone over the weekend.
I don’t usually abandon my league responsibilities but sometimes life happens.
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Seems like my absence is the catalyst for a potential debate of a mostly non issue.
How would we keep our long standing data for divisions when they are merged for the x times per year this may happen?
Asking for a friend.
 
Skills
Seems like my absence is the catalyst for a potential debate of a mostly non issue.
How would we keep our long standing data for divisions when they are merged for the x times per year this may happen?
Asking for a friend.
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Glad that you're okay, and I hope everyone in your family is well.

Separating the data for each division would be done manually. I wouldn't expect the D1 data logger to also log D2's data or vice versa. One of the three or four orphaned D2 members would be responsible for logging the D2 member's data.
 
Timlour
Prize A:

Renault R5 Turbo '80 on SH Tires @ Deep Forest Raceway - S01 Afternoon

Mid. Div. Lap Time - 1:55.200

R5 Turbo in UCD for 151,900 Cr.

Back-up Car - Mazda Mazda3 '19

Mid. Div. Lap Time - 1:57.200

@JLBowler @Akzl298
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What exactly is forcing there to be a backup car choice? If the car is currently in the UCD and you did not pick it up, then just seat out that race, IMO.


BTW, I have "every" car PD has offered, minus 2 $20,000,000 credit cars. But I will get them just as they are offered again. Getting the 20M for free is the tough part.
 
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Xradkins
What exactly is forcing there to be a backup car choice? If the car is currently in the UCD and you did not pick it up, then just seat out that race, IMO.


BTW, I have "every" car PD has offered, minus 2 $20,000,000 credit cars. But I will get them just as they are offered again. Getting the 20M for free is the tough part.
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The back up car choice is required for any car that is in the UCD or LCD. It is only used in the event that the selected car is removed from the UCD or LCD before the drivers list is updated.

Let's say that the combo with the UCD or LCD car received the fewest votes and would be set to return to the line-up next week. The car is then removed from the dealer and is not longer readily available. The back up car would be substituted in for the following week.
 

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