'17 Dodge Viper GT

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I'm certain each of us on this board, in these forums has a dream car. Something we've day dreamed about, imagined driving, collected memorabilia of. For me it has always been a Dodge Viper. Growing up in the 80s, I was probably too young to appreciate Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche. I never fell into the Aussie "muscle cars" either, the sedans and the utes. They too weren't anything special to me. The 90s were different. I got to ride in a 300ZX, one of the first R32 GT-R's in Australia (it made me puke). I didn't grasp at the time how special they were, and how cool it was to have a Dad that worked at Nissan. Hands up if you ever played the original "Road and Track presents" the Need for Speed. You've got to be in your 30s probably to remember some of that Viper TV show too.


Images sent by the Concierge on Flickr in an album (from paint to final assembly)



Push came to shove at the end of 2016. The dream had to become a reality now, or it was never. I did my research, made phone calls, searched on websites. Not about the car, but a legal avenue by which I could own the dream. Fun fact: Foreigners can buy, register, get insurance on vehicles in some states of the U.S. Not Fun fact: Production for the Viper has ended, it stopped just last August. I tried ordering my car in October last year, only to be told that Chrysler had stopped taking orders. When the small window opened in February this year, I got my order through. From order to delivery my car is probably one of the fastest through the process. It's a 1 of 1 GTC. I recieved photos from the Concierge during the painting, and manufacturing process. No one else has the exact same options as I do through the 1 of 1 program. My car was delivered in May, just in time for a road trip with my German girlfriend, who'd never been to the U.S. before.


Delivery day.


Fortunately the Viper is a modestly achievable dream. It's expensive yes, but not if you're working hard (for years), and saving enough money on the side. I'd been renting every manual car I could (when I needed one) in Germany in the lead up to getting the Viper. It helped, a bit. Every Viper signs a piece of paper before leaving the factory that promises it has to scare the **** out of their new owner on first drive. The pedals are a little offset in the Viper, I hit the accelerator instead of the brake while backing it out of the driveway. Fortunately I was feathering the clutch. To register the car, I had to drive a short 1.2 miles. My hands were shaking for 5 minutes after we got there. If you're not a little scared, you're still in your comfort zone, and nothing amazing ever happens in your comfort zone.


"I didn't get the point of spending that much money on a car, until I sat down in it." - Julia.


A Viper is uniquely a Viper. To clarify, it's completely one-dimensional. No other car has been so stubbornly true to it's original ethos over 25 years. A raw honest driver's car. Front-mid mounted engine. Naturally aspirated. 6-speed manual. Mechanical grip. It hasn't been diluted over time, or compromised. Either you're all in, or not. It was hand painted, hand built, hand assembled. The Viper doesn't lie to you, it tells you when you're a bad driver, and challenges you to become better. It resisted having ABS until 2002, it resisted having cruise control, stability management, and traction control. The latter 3 until the 5th Generation car in 2013. I was taking photos of the Viper back in July in a parking lot (carpark). A guy and his girlfriend walked by, he said "I still think the Corvette is better." My honest first thought, she should have dumped him right there. hahaha, kidding... or am I? As of this post, counting all Vipers built, including those that have been wrecked over the years, there's 31,947. Less than the total number of Corvettes built in a single model year. Too often the apples to oranges comparison occurs. The automotive world had lost something special, they're no longer building the last hand built car in America.


Now I need GT: Sport for photoscapes mode AND to practice racing the car


Some of you, like me, probably drove every Viper (or dream car) in Gran Turismo, in every event we could. Or race modified them as we could in Gran Turismo 1 and 2. People long complained that cars in Gran Turismo didn't sound like their real life counterparts. That was/is a bunch of crap. I'm sure they didn't have a decent sound set up, and were probably using stereo sound out of their TV. My Viper sounds exactly like the '13 Viper GTS in GT6. My mother thinks the Viper is too loud. She's just used to her Mini Cooper S I think. Every time I fire up the engine, yeah, it's loud. Loud in a good way. From about 4,000 to 5,000RPM loud, from 5,000 to 6,400 awesome. It's a feature, a characteristic of the car, without it, it'd be like a bear with no fur. It rides a little harsh, even in street mode suspension, you feel what each wheel is doing, and the steering wheel is communicative. If it wasn't loud, and harsh on the street, it wouldn't be a track car now would it?


The trunk holds a lot. Plenty enough for a gentleman and his lady (3 pairs of shoes) on a 1,200 mile road trip.


If you've got a dream car, work for it, get that dream. Don't let anyone dissuade you. It's worth all the hard work. If it's a two seat sports car, better do it before you have kids too. I'm certain neither happiness, nor success can be measured in any even way. But for us GTPlanet people, I'm sure the right car makes us smile, and that's true happiness. I've got a new best friend, he's a social drinker and prefers 93 on tap.


Found a photographer via Instagram, for a photoshoot last week
 
Congrats on your purchase, I'm sure it will bring you much joy. Be careful though, you don't want yours to be one of the wrecked ones.
 
Wait, do you live in Michigan? I thought non-residents could only get a temporary plate for up to 60 days?

Also, why in the hell would you go to Hastings? I had to work there for several months and it was terrible.

Oh and checking out your instagram page, I see you've hit up the 14 Mile & Woodward car show. Used to love going there when I lived near Detroit.
 
Definitely a beaut of a car, congrats on the purchase!

@Joey D Maybe he was going towards the Gilmore Car Museum? That's just about the only reason I can think to pass through Hastings. No wonder my girlfriend's family moved away from there...
 
Congrats on your purchase, I'm sure it will bring you much joy. Be careful though, you don't want yours to be one of the wrecked ones.

Is the Viper in your avatar yours?

Wait, do you live in Michigan? I thought non-residents could only get a temporary plate for up to 60 days?

Also, why in the hell would you go to Hastings? I had to work there for several months and it was terrible.

Oh and checking out your instagram page, I see you've hit up the 14 Mile & Woodward car show. Used to love going there when I lived near Detroit.

I don't live in Michigan, I fly in and out of the U.S., less than ideal, but at least I own the car. On Non-residents you're right. But if you have an address you can register a car. I have an address, same place my car stays/stayed. I paid for the car, registered the car, paid that terribly 6% use tax. Got insurance, and even showed my Australian Driver's License when registering the car and getting my plates. No problems. All legal. Florida is another state you can, and California. Nevada too I think. Kentucky definitely not.

I don't know where you're seeing Hastings. I don't even know where Hastings is. I probably drove through it.

I hung out with the Motor City Viper Owners on the day of the Woodward Dream Cruise.

Definitely a beaut of a car, congrats on the purchase!

@Joey D Maybe he was going towards the Gilmore Car Museum? That's just about the only reason I can think to pass through Hastings. No wonder my girlfriend's family moved away from there...

Thanks! I better check on google where Hastings Michigan is...
 
I don't live in Michigan, I fly in and out of the U.S., less than ideal, but at least I own the car. On Non-residents you're right. But if you have an address you can register a car. I have an address, same place my car stays/stayed. I paid for the car, registered the car, paid that terribly 6% use tax. Got insurance, and even showed my Australian Driver's License when registering the car and getting my plates. No problems. All legal. Florida is another state you can, and California. Nevada too I think. Kentucky definitely not.

I don't know where you're seeing Hastings. I don't even know where Hastings is. I probably drove through it.

I hung out with the Motor City Viper Owners on the day of the Woodward Dream Cruise.

Ah gotcha, that makes sense. To bad you don't know someone in one of those other states, Michigan has the highest insurance in the country since it's a no-fault state.

And the picture you posted where you're parked on the street with the blue banners on the light poles is Hastings. It's kind of Southwest Michigan about 50 miles south of Grand Rapids. You were right down the street from Walldorff Pub, which I spent many evenings at after work.

Jealous of your car though, and it's cool to see it in places I instantly recognize.
 
Ah gotcha, that makes sense. To bad you don't know someone in one of those other states, Michigan has the highest insurance in the country since it's a no-fault state.

And the picture you posted where you're parked on the street with the blue banners on the light poles is Hastings. It's kind of Southwest Michigan about 50 miles south of Grand Rapids. You were right down the street from Walldorff Pub, which I spent many evenings at after work.

Jealous of your car though, and it's cool to see it in places I instantly recognize.

Can you explain what they mean by "no-fault"? Insurance is a bitch, Michigan is expensive, and the Viper is one of the top 10 most expensive cars in the country to insure too.

I was in Grand Rapids on July 3rd. I went looking for good/fun roads to drive on. A motorcycle website sent me south of Grand Rapids. The motorcycle website recommendations were a freaking joke. I didn't get the Viper to anywhere worthwhile until weeks later in the Hocking Hills of Ohio. I stopped in Hastings only because I saw the flags up and ready for Independence Day.

Do you live in and around Michigan still? I'm happy to show you the car one day.



Yeah...Had it for four years now. Awesome car, I love it. You might want to join ViperAlley.com

Are you a member of the Viper Owners Association?

I'll look into ViperAlley, I assume I can join if I sign up with my VIN.
 
Can you explain what they mean by "no-fault"? Insurance is a bitch, Michigan is expensive, and the Viper is one of the top 10 most expensive cars in the country to insure too.

I was in Grand Rapids on July 3rd. I went looking for good/fun roads to drive on. A motorcycle website sent me south of Grand Rapids. The motorcycle website recommendations were a freaking joke. I didn't get the Viper to anywhere worthwhile until weeks later in the Hocking Hills of Ohio. I stopped in Hastings only because I saw the flags up and ready for Independence Day.

No-fault insurance in Michigan basically makes it so that no matter who caused the accident, it is required to have lifetime compensation on personal injuries and up to $1 million of coverage for non-vehicle property damage. It's covered a little more in-depth here in this PDF: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/cis_ofis_ip202_25083_7.pdf . Because of no-fault insurance, like Joey said, Michigan has the highest insurance rates in the country.

Unfortunately almost all roads in Michigan are a joke with my driving experiences. I haven't found many roads that have much more than a few broad corners strung together. A few places with some twisties, but nothing really fun that I've found. Maybe there is a road or two by the Lake Michigan shoreline?
 
No-fault insurance in Michigan basically makes it so that no matter who caused the accident, it is required to have lifetime compensation on personal injuries and up to $1 million of coverage for non-vehicle property damage. It's covered a little more in-depth here in this PDF: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/cis_ofis_ip202_25083_7.pdf . Because of no-fault insurance, like Joey said, Michigan has the highest insurance rates in the country.

Unfortunately almost all roads in Michigan are a joke with my driving experiences. I haven't found many roads that have much more than a few broad corners strung together. A few places with some twisties, but nothing really fun that I've found. Maybe there is a road or two by the Lake Michigan shoreline?

Thanks for linking me to that PDF. It's cleared up some things in my mind. The way they word these kinds of documents, I swear....

Yeah Michigan sucks, but there's no one else in the country I know well enough, or trust enough to store my car and leave them with a set of keys. Haha.
 
Are you a member of the Viper Owners Association?

I'll look into ViperAlley, I assume I can join if I sign up with my VIN.

VOA is a morgue, I wouldn't give them a penny. The Alley is free, doesn't require ownership to join and provides a wealth of information on Vipers, as well as other adult content.
 
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VOA is a morgue, I wouldn't give them a penny. The Alley is free, doesn't require ownership to join and provides a wealth of information on Vipers, as well as other adult content.

Tried to register, the security captcha failed. :(
 
Congratulations, that is gorgeous. I plan to own a Viper someday, hopefully within the next 5 or 6 years, although I'm planning on purchasing a 2nd Gen GTS. I've always loved the Viper, it is a shame they are no more.
 
Congratulations, that is gorgeous. I plan to own a Viper someday, hopefully within the next 5 or 6 years, although I'm planning on purchasing a 2nd Gen GTS. I've always loved the Viper, it is a shame they are no more.

People say it will be back, I don't bother myself with such things. I was never crazy about the Gen 2 GTS, I preferred the RT/10 interestingly enough. Although surely it's the iconic shape people think of when people say Viper. Two guys wound down their window to ask me if mine was a Gen 2 when I was driving. They were surprised when I said it was a 2017. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

I met a guy who owned a Gen 3 at a C&C event. I told him "I've never driven anything besides a Gen V." He replied "Don't." I let him take a photo of my business card for Woodhouse Dodge in Blair, NE. He ended up buying a Gen V for him and his wife after trading in his '03.

Gen 2 is probably as raw as you want to go honestly. I hear from the guys who own the, it's the most pure driving experience you could ever have. They're probably right. In 5 to 6 years though, prices will come down on Gen V. I hope you get one.
 
Hey mate, nice write up. Really happy for you to be able to get the car you've dreamt about for all these years, enjoy it :)
 
Hey mate, nice write up. Really happy for you to be able to get the car you've dreamt about for all these years, enjoy it :)

Thanks. Just had a look at your instagram, see you're in QLD. Is it hard to get track time? Insurance / Cost wise?
 
Only just saw this - congratulations man! She (or is it he?) looks amazing! I must confess I'm a Corvette-lover but the ethos of the Viper is one I truly love. Put simply it seems like a much older car than it is, and I adore older cars. Simplicity, manual gearbox, big, noisy engines, rear-wheel-drive. My Volvo 240 follows that same list, but with 6 cylinders less, none of the performance and none of the looks! :D Still, she's my dream car, I guess I'm lucky my dream car is cheap. Ah well, Volvo 850 T5 has to be next! Mini-V10 sound, here I come!

A video of you revving the bollocks out of that V10 is necessary, you realise?
 
Only just saw this - congratulations man! She (or is it he?) looks amazing! I must confess I'm a Corvette-lover but the ethos of the Viper is one I truly love. Put simply it seems like a much older car than it is, and I adore older cars. Simplicity, manual gearbox, big, noisy engines, rear-wheel-drive. My Volvo 240 follows that same list, but with 6 cylinders less, none of the performance and none of the looks! :D Still, she's my dream car, I guess I'm lucky my dream car is cheap. Ah well, Volvo 850 T5 has to be next! Mini-V10 sound, here I come!

A video of you revving the bollocks out of that V10 is necessary, you realise?

Thanks! I call him Mr Snake, only so that there's only 1 lady in my life, my girlfriend. :D

I like the Corvette too, but it's a different kind of animal. The Corvette is a better "car", for the street. Especially the C7, cylinder deactivation, softer ride, heated/cooled seats. The Viper never went "soft" so to speak, like you mentioning simplicity. Volvos have the reputation for being overly engineered, excellent design, and reliability no? I'm not sure the Viper is famous for any of those 3. :D

I'm in Germany right now, and car has been put away for Winter storage. Some people love that V-10 sound, others don't. It's more animal, with grunt than say a V-10 in an Audi or Lamborghini that's for sure.
 
Thanks! I call him Mr Snake, only so that there's only 1 lady in my life, my girlfriend. :D

I like the Corvette too, but it's a different kind of animal. The Corvette is a better "car", for the street. Especially the C7, cylinder deactivation, softer ride, heated/cooled seats. The Viper never went "soft" so to speak, like you mentioning simplicity. Volvos have the reputation for being overly engineered, excellent design, and reliability no? I'm not sure the Viper is famous for any of those 3. :D

I'm in Germany right now, and car has been put away for Winter storage. Some people love that V-10 sound, others don't. It's more animal, with grunt than say a V-10 in an Audi or Lamborghini that's for sure.
In regards to the corvette, it's pretty much more looks and the V8 sound. Beyond that the general idea behind the Viper appeals to me more. A stripped out version with no comfort would appeal to me more. Volvos are overengineered (at least the old ones are), and they're reliable, though I wouldn't go as far as excellent design :D - there's got to be something wrong with the car for me to like it!

I definitely prefer the Viper's sound to an R8 or Gallardo. The more low-pitched, off-beat rumble reminds me of my favourite 5-cylinder cars. The whole idea of this low, terrifying mechanical broken-sounding roar is very much my kind of thing! My 240 has a sort of mechanical broken sound to it. I know it's only a 2 litre 4-cylinder engine but still!
 
In regards to the corvette, it's pretty much more looks and the V8 sound. Beyond that the general idea behind the Viper appeals to me more. A stripped out version with no comfort would appeal to me more. Volvos are overengineered (at least the old ones are), and they're reliable, though I wouldn't go as far as excellent design :D - there's got to be something wrong with the car for me to like it!

I definitely prefer the Viper's sound to an R8 or Gallardo. The more low-pitched, off-beat rumble reminds me of my favourite 5-cylinder cars. The whole idea of this low, terrifying mechanical broken-sounding roar is very much my kind of thing! My 240 has a sort of mechanical broken sound to it. I know it's only a 2 litre 4-cylinder engine but still!

Viper is liveable as a GT car, I've driven long distances with it no problems. By the time I get there, I do want to get out and walk around a bit though. Corvette and your Volvo would probably do a better job. :D An ACR Viper is probably more your thing then. I don't know what roads are like where you are, but in Michigan, the Viper feels every crack, patch job, bump, hole in the road.

I was told on the Factory Tour that the reason why the Viper sounds like it does: It's because there's no crossover of the exhaust from the engine. Older generations had a crossover that let far too much heat into the cockpit. What you hear is essentially 2x 5 cylinder banks. Which I think its pretty awesome. Engines should have character, it makes them unique!
 
Viper is liveable as a GT car, I've driven long distances with it no problems. By the time I get there, I do want to get out and walk around a bit though. Corvette and your Volvo would probably do a better job. :D An ACR Viper is probably more your thing then. I don't know what roads are like where you are, but in Michigan, the Viper feels every crack, patch job, bump, hole in the road.

I was told on the Factory Tour that the reason why the Viper sounds like it does: It's because there's no crossover of the exhaust from the engine. Older generations had a crossover that let far too much heat into the cockpit. What you hear is essentially 2x 5 cylinder banks. Which I think its pretty awesome. Engines should have character, it makes them unique!
I agree. It's part of the reason why I like 3-cylinder cars - because they have a unique noise (until Ford put a 3 cylinder engine in every bloody car they make).

As for the ACR, I'd just take the weight saving measures without the aero and super wide tyres.

Ever heard of the Peugeot 205 Rallye? I hate Peugeot but the whole idea was to take a pretty standard hatchback (the engine was only a 1.3) and strip it of any comfort, and then... do nothing. No spoilers, no big turbos, no wide tyres, no sport mode. Just a bare-bones pure driving experience. I think that The Viper is a car that gets a lot closer to that than many of its peers.
 
I agree. It's part of the reason why I like 3-cylinder cars - because they have a unique noise (until Ford put a 3 cylinder engine in every bloody car they make).

As for the ACR, I'd just take the weight saving measures without the aero and super wide tyres.

Ever heard of the Peugeot 205 Rallye? I hate Peugeot but the whole idea was to take a pretty standard hatchback (the engine was only a 1.3) and strip it of any comfort, and then... do nothing. No spoilers, no big turbos, no wide tyres, no sport mode. Just a bare-bones pure driving experience. I think that The Viper is a car that gets a lot closer to that than many of its peers.

I can't say I've heard a 3 cylinder. I will find one on YouTube.

The ACR has a stripped down interior in regards to sound deadening, carpet delete, 3-speakers (it could have been optioned back to 12 or 18). Tires are the same width on all Vipers (295mm front, 355mm rear), but the ACR got 19inch wheel for the front instead of the regular 18inch. Carbon Ceramic brakes were an option.

Haha, I'm not a fan of Peugeot either, but that 205 Rallye is as you describe, "a true driver's car" in my opinion. The world is slowly becoming more soft, and looking at cars as appliances, those A to B, type things. Lucky are those of us that enjoy driving cars, but we're unlucky that drivers cars are either becoming too expensive and too rare.
 
Thanks to the Black Friday sales in Germany, Julia and myself got a PS4. Still made more sense cost wise to buy GT Sport through Australian PSN though. Still need to correct the stripes a little more, and why we can't add aerodynamic components to our cars, I don't know why yet...

But I will definitely keep trying to recreate photos I've already taken in similar angles. Going to all 1008 locations with the actual car would be cost and time prohibitive. Not to mention, complicated.

From GT Sport
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I seriously feel that we're a blink away from photo realism! I'll post about how the car drives in game relative to the real one when I have more game time.
 
Alley is dead AF.
Stay away from there specially being a new guy. I’ve been a member there since 04. I joined VOA jan 2015. Wealth of knowledge is in VOA, not sure what alley has since it’s all older gen vipers.

Anyways, congrats on the purchase. I got my 15 SRT back in July, best ****ing car under 100k!
 
Alley is dead AF.
Stay away from there specially being a new guy. I’ve been a member there since 04. I joined VOA jan 2015. Wealth of knowledge is in VOA, not sure what alley has since it’s all older gen vipers.

Anyways, congrats on the purchase. I got my 15 SRT back in July, best ****ing car under 100k!

Thanks! The Gen V has really grown on me. How many miles do you have on your Viper now? And do you have an Instagram account? I'd love to see more photos of your Viper.
 
^ I honestly I dont post many pics. LOL I love the car, take a lot of pics but rarely post them.
I bought the car with 8400 miles, drove it home 500+ miles north from San Diego to Silicon Valley.

Its at 12,600 miles right now, already done 2 amsoil oil changes. I'm also on MCS stage 1 coil overs so the ride is more comfy compared to the stock SRT setup. Also have Forgeline 3-piece wheels, but one of them is leaking air from the rivets. Still waiting on them to take care of me.
 
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Hello everyone, how are you?

I just put the Viper into storage for Winter, but managed to get one last adventure in for the year. I contacted a freelance writer that writes for Road & Track magazine a year ago. Jack is a huge fan of the Viper, he wrote articles encouraging fans to buy them before the end, and others explaining why the Viper is one of the truly great American cars. Finally neither of us were busy last Tuesday, and I made the 4 hour journey starting at 4:30 to get to Ohio. We took the Viper out to the Hocking Hills where R&T, and Car & Driver do their performance car testing annually.

The article is here:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a23740015/dodge-viper-road-trip-hocking-hills/

 

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