1996 Lotus Elise vs. 2011 Lotus Elise @ Suzuka!

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The original Lotus Elise is a favorite of mine. It packed 118 horses in a 755 kg (1,665 lb) car whose chassis was held together, not by screws or welds, but by glue! Rivets were used as a backup measure. The car was truly designed to be as light as possible. It was even the first production car to use all-aluminum in its engine bay, rear hub carrier, and even its brake rotors.

The latest Elise ditches the 1.8L engine for a 1.6L unit, and trashes the 5-speed gearbox for a 6-speed. While it has gained at least 121 kg (267 lb) over the first model, the car feels more planted and neutral through the corners. The downside is that the car is slower overall. A lot slower.

1996
1.8L
118 hp / 6,200 rpm
122 ft-lb / 3,000 rpm
755 kg (should be 690 according to Car Info screen)
408 PP

2011
1.6L
133 hp / 7,000 rpm
118 ft-lb / 4,500 rpm
876 kg
388 PP

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2:27.860 - Lotus Elise '96
2:31.011 - Lotus Elise '11
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The '11 can definitely do 2:30 with a wheel, but I'm not sure about the '96 being a 2:26 car...


 
EDIT: Nice video ;)
 
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kolio123
Actually, I think that is a car from 2004, not 2011. However, it is named the 111R. ;)
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no, he is talking about the '11 model Elise, simply called the lotus Elise '11. the 111R is a 2004 track based car. the Elise '11 is the newer model, with a new and improved look, but a slightly more luxury outlook, and it therefore has less speed than its predecessors, but strangely in GT6 it can be moded to be faster than a fully upgraded 111R. :)

But anyway, cool comparison, and yes its dissapointing to see that the new elise is slower than the old one... i hope we get the Elise CR '11, or the Elise cup R at some point!
 
Chameleon9000
no, he is talking about the '11 model Elise, simply called the lotus Elise '11. the 111R is a 2004 track based car. the Elise '11 is the newer model, with a new and improved look, but a slightly more luxury outlook, and it therefore has less speed than its predecessors, but strangely in GT6 it can be moded to be faster than a fully upgraded 111R. :)

But anyway, cool comparison, and yes its dissapointing to see that the new elise is slower than the old one... i hope we get the Elise CR '11, or the Elise cup R at some point!
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Ahh, your right!

For some reason, I was think 2004 was the most recent Elise we had. Thanks for correcting me!
 
However, max out the 2011 Elise, and it will have 581 PP, exceeding even both the Elise racing cars. That Elise is useful in S Class races, and I even used it in the Nurburgring 24 mins.
 
Nice post, but a shame the 1.8L 134 hp Elise S isn't in the game. (2006-2010)
I prefer the 5-speed gearbox and the 1.8L over the newer 6-speed gearbox and the 1.6L engine.
Ofcourse I understand the downsizing for the EU CO2 regulations and both cars performance are about the same.
 
RCKakashi14
However, max out the 2011 Elise, and it will have 581 PP, exceeding even both the Elise racing cars. That Elise is useful in S Class races, and I even used it in the Nurburgring 24 mins.
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I think the 111R is still the best road car elise, I'd say its a bit faster and more predictable in corners than the Elise '11. And the 111R Race Car is the best elise of them all, IMO, and the one who has the most PP maxed out.
 
I was talking about fully tuned, not stock.


wvmgmidget
Nice comparison and video. I don't know how you do it man, for me at least Suzuka is satan's course
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It is one of the most difficult and technical, but I think its easy compared to the Nordschleife.
 
NixxxoN
I was talking about fully tuned, not stock.



It is one of the most difficult and technical, but I think its easy compared to the Nordschleife.
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Yeah I agree but I person find Suzuka harder because I often drive on nordschleife but not so much on Suzuka and if I mess up on nordschleife there are sand traps around most of the course so it's easier to recover.
 
I always found Suzuka easy, there are only a few turns that give me any kind of problem or surprise, and after a few laps those were easy to remember, but plenty of room to grow. I also love how it has so much variation between slow hard turns, very fast turns, some progressive turns, straits but not too many straits, etc. I think Suzuka Star picked the perfect track to test 600+ cars on.
 
Suzuka is easy like you said once you learn it. Turn 1 and 2 leading up to the esses is a major one, and then there's Degner which is basically two 90 degree turns a short distance apart, and then the hairpin, then Spoon Curve, then 130R aka the left after the back straight, and finally the chicane. It's that last part that is really tough because it's a make or break type of corner and I get really nervous coming up to it...
 
SuzukaStar
Suzuka is easy like you said once you learn it. Turn 1 and 2 leading up to the esses is a major one, and then there's Degner which is basically two 90 degree turns a short distance apart, and then the hairpin, then Spoon Curve, then 130R aka the left after the back straight, and finally the chicane. It's that last part that is really tough because it's a make or break type of corner and I get really nervous coming up to it...
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Because I dont remember the names of the turns, I have no idea what you are saying, but I still like it!
 
Trial Mountain is awesome, definitely one of my top 3 favorite fake tracks, but that's the problem. I needed to test on a track that exists in reality.

Maybe next game I'll test at Fuji Speedway. Not sure.
 
nickg07
I like to time trial myself on deep forest as it's easier to get right and more consistent than Suzuka with inclines etx too.
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I'd say Deep Forest has more inclines and surface inconsistencies than Suzuka. Not so good for pure lap time comparison. Try something like Motegi (good technical track) or Silverstone or Fuji.
 
The 190 should be faster than the 111R, the Sport 190 is a beast in real life. Never seen one, but heared alot of stories about it. The top speed on the 111R is higher, so maybe on a very fast course or oval, but that isn't the best place for a Lotus :D. For the track I would prefer the Sport 190, because it is closer to a fully spec race car.
 
I don't race against other people. It's not as fun for me as racing against myself. I do drift online @ Suzuka East often when I'm not testing though!
 

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