2007-2008 BMW 535i sedan due in March?

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Rumor: 2007-2008 BMW 535i sedan due in March?




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Rumors began circulating online this week suggesting BMW would bring its 306 horsepower twin-turbo I6 from the new 335i to the 5-Series for the 2008 model year. The 3.0-liter engine has been the subject of much praise since its introduction earlier this year. Most reviewers agree BMW has understated the performance capabilities of the engine — probably in an effort to prevent the 335i coupe from stealing sales from the soon-to-be-replaced E46 M3.

A dealer source contacted by Leftlane News could not confirm the report, but other BMW fans report receiving confirmation from local dealers. Reports suggest the model would become available in March. Recent spy photos indicate BMW is prepping a minor facelift for the 2008 model year. The 535 model is expected to be offered in both rear-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive (535xi) variants.


Though I await photos, It's a good idea if you ask me, their re-introduced turbo-I6 has been an inspiring move and if the success of the 335i is anything to go by, why the hell not throw it in the five-series 35?


All I hope is that they consider it in the 530d, atleast that way I know our next car will have a reliable turbo under the hood.
 
Here's an interesting fact. In the North American market..

a 2007 530i weighs 3,472 lbs.
a 2006 330i weighed 3,405 lbs.

The 07 335i weighs in at 3593 lbs, a gain of 188 lbs. This is no doubt from the extra weight of the N54 engine and beefed up drivetrain parts.

A 2008 535i SHOULD then weigh in around 3,660. Assuming the TRUE hp output of the N54 to be 320, not 305, that is a power/weight ratio of : 11.43

By way of comparison:

E60 530i M54TU (3,440*/225): 15.28
Audi A6 3.2 Quattro (3836/255): 15.04
E60 530i N53 (3,472/255): 13.61
Infiniti M45 Sport (4032/325): 12.40
Lexus GS350 (3704/303): 12.22
E60 545i (3770*/325): 11.60
**2008 E60 535i N54 (3660?/320): 11.43**
Mitsubishi Evo IX (3263/286): 11.40
Nissan 350Z Touring (3400/300): 11.33
E60 550i (3803/360): 10.56
E46 M3 (3450/333): 10.36
E39 M5 (4059*/400): 10.14
Chrysler SRT-8 (4160/425): 9.78

Yes, that's right. A 535i should be quicker than the old V8 545i, provided my weight guess is correct and BMW does not play with the gearing to 'slow down' the 535i.

Which makes the 535i a HECK of a deal. I would be very surprised if the 535i was not a runaway hit... Provided the facelift did not make it butt ugly. (some say it's too late)

With some aftermarket support, this car is going to be one HECK of a sleeper.


M
 
With ///M-Spec's chart, my guess is that we'll see either the 545i or 535i next year, but not both.

In fact, if the theoretical 535i really does perform that well, it may become the new 545i, which would be a ridiculously exaggerated name to anyone who knows how the naming scheme is supposed to go. :lol:
 
It presumably is a no-brainer that BMW will add the turbo 3.0L next year, as it would only make sense by comparison to the 3-series lineup. However I can't say that I'm interested on the whole idea. It isn't that the car would be bad in any way, as it should arguably be the best car in its class, but I just have such a hard time loving the car.

As I was driving between exams today to grab lunch, I came upon two 5-series models on the road. The first was a beautiful E39 525i in black with the classic alloy wheels. Sure, nothing special to most folks, but it just looked "right," and knowingly drives "right" as well. After arriving at the store, I parked nearby a new E60, a 530i, and I simply was unimpressed. It is just so "blah," and just seems so... "Digital."

I'm sure it will be a great car, and I'm sure that I'll give it a look. The biggest thing BMW has going for it is indeed the power/weight ratio, the inclusion of a manual transmission option, and the fact that it is a BMW... But I'm likely to take my business over to Infiniti, Cadillac, or maybe even Volkswagen in this situation. Too bad really, I guess I'm missing out on a great car.
 
Oh, the 535i is a sure thing. Dealers have already taken deposits for March production, late April delivery.

The '08 line up should look like this:

528i, 230hp
535i, "305"hp
550i, 360hp (?)

It would make sense for BMW to bump the 550's hp slightly, just to keep it further away from the 535. But there is no reliable information on any changes the 550 for 2008.

YSSMAN, the E60 is far and away better driving car than the E39, especially with the active suspension option.


M
 
Man I thought this thread was about the 535d that we get here, it's pretty damn popular here making about 270 horsepowers and well allot of torque.

YSSMAN, the E60 is far and away better driving car than the E39, especially with the active suspension option.


M

Realy? Wow, I helped a friend buy an E39 528i and I was impressed on how sorted the car felt for such a big car, very comfortable but god damn it felt planted in corners even with the crappy nexen brand tyres it had on.
 
I would be very surprised if the 535i was not a runaway hit... Provided the facelift did not make it butt ugly.
A facelift can only make it better. Although I can't say I love any of the Bangle-era designs, some are better than others. Even the goofy 7 has started to come together for me. But the Bangle 5 is gawky and poorly proportioned and just... all-round BAD.

The E39 was one of the best-looking sedans ever made, but the E60 is one of the worst. In M5 form it just looks like the regular effeminate 5-series dressed up for a little B&D action.
 
Realy? Wow, I helped a friend buy an E39 528i and I was impressed on how sorted the car felt for such a big car, very comfortable but god damn it felt planted in corners even with the crappy nexen brand tyres it had on.

The active suspension (which is really just an active stabilizer bar that has variable stiffness) has a profound impact on how an E60 feels when cornering compared to an E39.. or any car without some sort of active suspension.

You really just have to drive one to understand. There is almost no body roll. None. You just flick the car into a turn and it goes instantly. It's almost spooky. It feels like there is no suspension at all and you have a solid bar to the tire itself.

The disadvantage, though is lack of a wide safety window. The car barely moves around so when you lose it, it can be a bit of a surprise. Luckily, the slide is very progressive and of course, the DSC will take the drama out of it (provided you have it still on).

A facelift can only make it better. Although I can't say I love any of the Bangle-era designs, some are better than others. Even the goofy 7 has started to come together for me. But the Bangle 5 is gawky and poorly proportioned and just... all-round BAD.

The E39 was one of the best-looking sedans ever made, but the E60 is one of the worst. In M5 form it just looks like the regular effeminate 5-series dressed up for a little B&D action.

That's interesting. I have the opposite opinion. The 7 still looks wrong to me (the facelift helped a little) but the 5, I liked from day one.


M
 
I've just never picked up on the current 5-series, in any form. I can appreciate every practical piece of performance that the car offers, but the front-end just looks so wonky, and the ass just isn't any better. Certainly I would agree that the fixes on the 7-series have helped, and may Odin be praised that BMW figures out they should do the same to the 5-series.

But when you have a car that looks like this:

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...Thats a problem, no matter how well it performs...

Until then, this will always be THE 5-series to me:

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That's interesting. I have the opposite opinion. The 7 still looks wrong to me (the facelift helped a little) but the 5, I liked from day one.
Yeah, that's funny. The E60 to me is just one of those things you can't quite get your eyes to assimilate coherently. You look at it, but before you can really let it into your visual brain, your eyes have decided to move on and are checking out the trees, or that building in the background, or something. You can't close your eyes and picture it clearly.

It's trapped in the mid-range no-identity hell that the Ford Expedition used to inhabit: not the small car, but not the large car, and lacking enough personality to stand out as a middle sibling.
I've just never picked up on the current 5-series, in any form. I can appreciate every practical piece of performance that the car offers, but the front-end just looks so wonky, and the ass just isn't any better...

Until then, this will always be THE 5-series to me:

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See? Now that's what I'm talking about. See how much presence that E39 [yeah, I noticed it's not an M5] has? See how self-confident it is? The E60 may dunk over it in terms of driving and performance, but it's like the geeky kid who got 1500 on his SATs but no date to the prom.

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See? Now that's what I'm talking about. See how much presence that E39 M5 has? See how self-confident it is? The E60 may dunk over it in terms of driving and performance, but it's like the geeky kid who got 1500 on his SATs but no date to the prom.
I understand your point, but that isn't an M5. Just a run 'o the mill E39. :D
///M-Spec
That's interesting. I have the opposite opinion. The 7 still looks wrong to me (the facelift helped a little) but the 5, I liked from day one.
I'm the opposite. I loved the new 7 series (okay, maybe that is a stretch), and think the somewhat refreshened one is just as good, if not better than, the car the preceded it.
 
I understand your point, but that isn't an M5. Just a run 'o the mill E39. :D

Heres the thing though; It didn't have to be an M5 to be cool. I'd take any E39 in almost any level of spec, and I'll be very happy. The car, simply put, looks brilliant. Any spec of interior feels great, and it too looks incredible. The drive is always great, no matter what engine, transmission, or suspension is sitting beneath you.

I haven't seen many cars that are so good in any level of trim, and this is one of the few I can think of. I've been in 525i models all the way up to the big M5, and I've always been impressed even if the car is four years old. It is part of the reason why I've always wanted to buy one, albeit a low-spec model. They are just that damn good.
 
Recent BMW styling under Chris Bangle has been trial-and-error for me. I seemed to miss the late 1990s styling of BMWs. Regardless of how they look, I am a big BMW fan. They make exceptional automobiles capable of great things. And if you don't like cars, maybe their motorcycles will get you excited. I still didn't realize that Chris Bangle is American. So it's an American designing cars from a prominent European designer. Sounds like poison to a healthy organism, right? Well, I've been okay for the most part. Strange as it is for me to say, there are some designs of Bangle that I actually like. I still prefer some of the late 1990s models. The sides and rear of this 5-Series is very unlike late 1990s models. It seems like the boldness of this car is expressed a bit too much. I'm not very fond of elongated lights from the rear or front. At least, if you do it right. I would definitely shorten the length of the taillights on the side. I would also shorten the elongated headlights. If you're going to make stylish light designs, at least make it like the Lexus RX400h. I give the car 78% approval out of 100%. Better design choices would make the BMW lineup much better... even if it means going back to late 1990s BMW styling.
 

:lol: Funny.


Yeah, that's funny. The E60 to me is just one of those things you can't quite get your eyes to assimilate coherently. You look at it, but before you can really let it into your visual brain, your eyes have decided to move on and are checking out the trees, or that building in the background, or something. You can't close your eyes and picture it clearly.

It's trapped in the mid-range no-identity hell that the Ford Expedition used to inhabit: not the small car, but not the large car, and lacking enough personality to stand out as a middle sibling.

See? Now that's what I'm talking about. See how much presence that E39 [yeah, I noticed it's not an M5] has? See how self-confident it is? The E60 may dunk over it in terms of driving and performance, but it's like the geeky kid who got 1500 on his SATs but no date to the prom.

I usually stay far away from debates over car design and asthetics, but hey, since you and I see eye-to-eye on so many things, it's amusing to argue with you over something. :D

The E39 is a good looking car. But it's good looking in a predictable, conventional, inoffensive way. The car is so rounded off it looks like a pebble at the bottom of a stream, worn smooth over hundreds of years. There's nothing to catch the eye, no complex shapes, no visual drama. It's the automotive equivalent of the cute girl next door that doesn't go away to college and transform into a centerfold. It's safe. Something you can take home to your mama, but never something that causes your buddies to go slack-jawed and hemorrhage with jealousy.

The E60 has drama. It has interesting shapes and details. Look at the strong center character line that sweeps from the front corner lights to the rear ones. Look how much tension that line creates --its like the skin of the car is stretched taunt along this 'rib'. The car is lean, coiled for action, bulging with suggestion of the energy trapped just beneath the surface. This car is a chiseled scupture of a Greek goddess compared to the pebble of the E39.

:lol: Alright. Counterpoint.


M
 
The E60 may dunk over it in terms of driving and performance, but it's like the geeky kid who got 1500 on his SATs but no date to the prom.

I'm personally offended.


But, anyway, I think the E60 would look 10x better if they cut off those ugly wrap-around tails. The tail light should end where they actually light up, in my opinion.
 
Heres the thing though:

You can have your cute, delightfully "average" and yet extremely attractive E39:
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Or your delightfully "spunky" and "outrageous" E60 with plenty of "pizzaz" and "style":
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...I'd still go for the E39, IMO...
 
I usually stay far away from debates over car design and asthetics, but hey, since you and I see eye-to-eye on so many things, it's amusing to argue with you over something. :D
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The E39 is a good looking car. But it's good looking in a predictable, conventional, inoffensive way. The car is so rounded off it looks like a pebble at the bottom of a stream, worn smooth over hundreds of years. There's nothing to catch the eye, no complex shapes, no visual drama. It's the automotive equivalent of the cute girl next door that doesn't go away to college and transform into a centerfold. It's safe. Something you can take home to your mama, but never something that causes your buddies to go slack-jawed and hemorrhage with jealousy.
Well, perhaps we just have a different threshold, then. Because every time I see an E39 M5, I go slack-jawed and hemorrhage with jealousy. Even a 540i Sport can make me snap my head around.
The E60 has drama. It has interesting shapes and details. Look at the strong center character line that sweeps from the front corner lights to the rear ones. Look how much tension that line creates --its like the skin of the car is stretched taunt along this 'rib'. The car is lean, coiled for action, bulging with suggestion of the energy trapped just beneath the surface. This car is a chiseled scupture of a Greek goddess compared to the pebble of the E39.

:lol: Alright. Counterpoint.
And therein lies the E60's problem: it relies on drama to do what the E39 did naturally. Your 'bulging' is my 'bulbous': look at how awkward the hood profile of the E60 is compared to the E39. It can't decide if it's sloped or flat, or both; it almost looks like it slopes down to the windshield, like some Ed Roth cartoon. I've seen that same effect from other angles, so it's not just that picture. It's got a dorky stance, too: minus the confident, wheels-first stance of the older cars, but not pulling off the Audi forward-reach, either.

The E60 is basically a 'decorated shed', to borrow a term from the world of architectural criticism. It's an overall drab, uninispired design that has been rendered striking by the application of lots of meaningless surface detail. It lacks all subtlety and coherence of detailing. Instead, it's a collection of visual catch-phrases, empty of substance:
  • Today's oversized wheels demand oversized wheel arches
  • Simple, well-integrated lightpods are so 1999; we need bizarrely-shaped things that look like a sheepdog on a G-force test sled
  • Less Is A Bore - More is More! ...enough said
  • Lets go to a lot of trouble to make the sides smooth and eliminate the belt line...
  • ...what? Door handles? Crap - ah, just plunk 'em on there. Good thing we left plenty of room. Oh, yeah, the marker light - just stick that anywhere, too.

I could go on, but I'm sure you're getting the point. But the E60's designers never really trust us to get the point! So they keep hitting us over the head with every design decision -

"It's dramatic!" *whap*
"It's powerful!" *smack*
"It's complicated!" *boof*
"It's expensive!" *pow*
"It's not American!" *thud*

It's a perfect car for the noveau-riche: overstated instead of understated; flashy and classless. BMW has done precisely what Coach Luggage did, on a massive scale. Coach used to make expensive, simple, elegant handbags that lasted for 20 years and looked good for all 20, too. Now they make really expensive, tacky, ostentatious bags that have the Coach logo splattered all over them and will be out of style next year. Who wants to drive a $40,000 car that looks like a $30,000 car, when you can drive a $60,000 car that everyone knows cost $60,000? What's the point of pimpin' if you ain't BIG pimpin'?

...so that's why I don't like the E60.

Cadillac's designers have managed to throw off a heavier aesthetic yoke than BMW's designers ever had to wear. Yet they've managed to do so in a fundamental, meaningful way that makes each new car a coherent package: like 'em or not, the new Cadillacs are styled to an integrated, consistently-applied set of design rules across the line. That saves them from the cynical 'expensive brand/logo identity' school that results in plain $300 Tommy jeans, ugly $500 Coach handbags, and overwrought $60,000 BMWs.

:grumpy:
 
ZOMG! I simply cannot give you enough rep points for that, as it unfortunately will not let me. I completely agree, and I love the last few lines. Definitely deserves a nomination for "Best Quote" this year...
 
...so that's why I don't like the E60.

Phhahh! We are so not friends anymore :grumpy:

The E60 is way better looking than the E39. And it's not only better looking, it's a better car besides. In fact, it's not just the best car ever built, but it beats sliced bread as the number one thing people stranded on a desert island wish for when they free a genie.

Little kids everywhere want to be an E60 when they grow up. I don't blame them. It does it all. Tow a plane down a runway? Hah! When a 777 loses an engine, they put an E60 under the wing to make up the time.

There's nothing an E60 can't do. It removes tough suck-on stains. It can balance the federal budget. It makes terrorists cry and calls your mother on her birthday when you forget.

Chuck Norris drives an E60. Well, he tried to once. But then it said "****! Please", grabbed him by the beard and threw him through a concrete wall. Now he carries his E60 around on his back everywhere and when people piss him off, he throws his E60 at them and smiles during all the dying while he drinks a Yoohoo.

Deep down, you know I'm right, Duke.


M
 
In needed that, ///M. Brought a smile to my face.

And, while the E60 can't do all those things, I do like it...I think it's among Bangle's best Sedan Designs...the 3 & 7 he designed aren't quite as handsome. Not to demerit the E39. It's a good car...just not as cool-looking.
 
The E60 is way better looking than the E39. And it's not only better looking...
Denied.
...it's a better car besides.
Stipulated.
Chuck Norris drives an E60. Well, he tried to once. But then it said "****! Please", grabbed him by the beard and threw him through a concrete wall. Now he carries his E60 around on his back everywhere and when people piss him off, he throws his E60 at them and smiles during all the dying while he drinks a Yoohoo.
:lol: :cheers:
Deep down, you know I'm right, Duke.
Real deep down. Like, even farther down than where I believe that Britney Spears is the reincarnation of Audrey Hepburn.
 
LMAO at the quotes coming out of this thread.

I personally prefer the styling of the E60 to the E39. And I know most people don't, but its just my personal preference. Not that the E39 is a bad looking car, I've been around quite a few in person, but something about how the lines go on the E60 appeals to me.

Of course, most you just want Chuck Norris to round house kick Chris Bangle in the face, sending his head flying over to China, where they can use its "design" powers to improve upon their accordion cars and copy cats, as then they can copy cat something no one else really wants anymore :D
 
This thread reminds me of the walkoff scene in Zoolander. ///M just pulled his underwear out of his ass. :)

Great stuff guys.
 
How did a thread about the new 535i turn into this?

:lol:


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Meh, I couldn't decide on either of them in terms of design.
But mind you, the E60 headlights look as though they've been created by a two year-old with a half-eaten marker.
 
let me get this back on topic :) , I didn't see any body mention that there is actually a 540i same engine as the 7 series engine , and if I remember it has about 305 BHP too , so BMW would replace this engine with I6 turbo if they are going to do it as its the same BHP but with more tourqe and less weight

here is the performance of the E60 540i
Performance


Drag (cw) 0.29
Top speed (km/h) 250
Acceleration 0 - 100 km/h (in s) 6.2
Acceleration 0 - 1,000 m (in s) 25.9
Acceleration 80 - 120 km/h in 4th/5th gear (in s) 6.3


Engine



Cylinders/valves 8/4
Capacity in ccm 4,000
Stroke/bore in mm 84.1/87.0
Max. output in kW at 1/min 225/6,300
Max. torque in Nm at 1/min 390/3,500
 

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