2016 F1 Constructor tech info/development thread. (READ 1ST POST)Formula 1
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If I recall correctly it was due to members posting in both leading to two large and separate discussions of the same thing at the same time over a number of months and that being the simplest (least time-consuming) course of action that didn't stifle discussion. I remember a few Reports too, though it was a while ago so I may be wrong.
Of course had people made a thread for each race it wouldn't have happened (though you can bet the race to make the race thread would), but folk love their monoliths - except when they don't.
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Pardon the double-post, but this seems like an appropriate way of changing the subject; Sauber have released studio shots of the C35 in C36 trim:
The only real difference is a few new sponsors on the rear wing.
The only real difference is a few new sponsors on the rear wing.
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That all this effort to expand F1, is really redundant, the reveal threads don't get enough activity to truly stand on their own after the buzz quickly dies out, so there is no point on keeping them as there own threads and this thread should just gobble them up. Especially since other threads get gobbled up when similar topics are around.
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I don't know if I'm not typing loudly enough - and given the number of times I've been berated for my "attention-seeking" indigo that's not likely - but yes, there is.
I'm not sure why people are arguing against having a thread per car launch or thread per race for F1 but arguing for a thread per race for WEC, BTCC, NASCAR, IndyCar. I also don't know why people are convinced that the staff think F1 is a special case and that other motorsports must go into colossal threads.
Hopefully this is clear enough that we can get back to the topic of this thread and stop having these discussions about what deserves a thread and what doesn't. I suspect it isn't, but I'm an optimist.
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Just a pointer, I don't think anyone is for a thread for every race in every series, just using the logic of how F1 threads work against those who think F1 is a special case. While I don't think that the entire staff has it out for other motorsports, there is a favourtism vibe, especially with a lot of threads getting merged or wanting to be merged despite topics being more distinct than any of the F1 topics.
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oohh-kay, I've just created a thread that does that, without seeing this.Pardon the double-post, but this seems like an appropriate way of changing the subject; Sauber have released studio shots of the C35 in C36 trim:
The only real difference is a few new sponsors on the rear wing.
Why can't we just merge all the separate F1 car launches into one F1 Launches 2016 thread that stops a clutter happening in the sub-forum.
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Curse my optimism.
It's almost like there's a group of people who don't like F1 and think it should be forced into a single monolithic thread despite the fact that other motorsports aren't and the staff don't want that to happen either.
Why don't we want it to happen? Well, large threads are oppressive and jealously guarded by the (usually senior) members who start them and participate in them. New members don't know where to start and there's an expectation for them to start from the very first post and read all four thousand pages - which is fine for an O&CE thread on Jebus, but not so much here. If you go away for a couple of days to come back and find 18 more pages, you won't want to read all of them to catch up and if you make a post about something that's happened in the last two days, someone will leap on you for not reading. And if you make a new thread, one of them will leap on you for making a thread about something already discussed in the monolith.
Then members lose interest in posting and we lose members, so the thread becomes even more jealously guarded.
It all rather reminds me of the monkey experiment. Five monkeys in a room find food atop a ladder, but each time one goes to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with water as punishment. They learn and the slower-witted ones are attacked by the others if they try to climb the ladder. Eventually they stop climbing it altogether. One monkey is replaced with a new one, who sees the food, goes to climb the ladder and is attacked by the rest. Eventually he learns too. Another monkey is replaced, and the same thing happens. Eventually you have five monkeys who have never climbed the ladder for the food, will attack any monkey that tries to climb the ladder and yet have never been sprayed with water...
Where the comparison falls down of course is that, to my knowledge, the staff haven't punished anyone for making a thread about the Thruxton round of BTCC, or the Norisring round of DTM. There's just a bunch of members who think we have...
As for no-one being for a thread per race for BTCC, WEC, IndyCar, NASCAR etc:
Personally, I'd be happy to see it - but I'm told that we'd just shut the threads, so clearly I'm not in the right loop.
So, are we done now? Can we get back to the topic in this thread or do I need to make a clearer statement that the staff are entirely happy to see one thread per car launch and one thread per race rather than giant catch-all threads that the site owner and only other site administrator are both on record as disliking intently?
Given that I'm not aware of anything of the sort actually happening, that sounds rather odd. The perception of favouritism where none exists is bordering on a persecution complex.
It's almost like there's a group of people who don't like F1 and think it should be forced into a single monolithic thread despite the fact that other motorsports aren't and the staff don't want that to happen either.
Why don't we want it to happen? Well, large threads are oppressive and jealously guarded by the (usually senior) members who start them and participate in them. New members don't know where to start and there's an expectation for them to start from the very first post and read all four thousand pages - which is fine for an O&CE thread on Jebus, but not so much here. If you go away for a couple of days to come back and find 18 more pages, you won't want to read all of them to catch up and if you make a post about something that's happened in the last two days, someone will leap on you for not reading. And if you make a new thread, one of them will leap on you for making a thread about something already discussed in the monolith.
Then members lose interest in posting and we lose members, so the thread becomes even more jealously guarded.
It all rather reminds me of the monkey experiment. Five monkeys in a room find food atop a ladder, but each time one goes to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with water as punishment. They learn and the slower-witted ones are attacked by the others if they try to climb the ladder. Eventually they stop climbing it altogether. One monkey is replaced with a new one, who sees the food, goes to climb the ladder and is attacked by the rest. Eventually he learns too. Another monkey is replaced, and the same thing happens. Eventually you have five monkeys who have never climbed the ladder for the food, will attack any monkey that tries to climb the ladder and yet have never been sprayed with water...
Where the comparison falls down of course is that, to my knowledge, the staff haven't punished anyone for making a thread about the Thruxton round of BTCC, or the Norisring round of DTM. There's just a bunch of members who think we have...
As for no-one being for a thread per race for BTCC, WEC, IndyCar, NASCAR etc:
Of course, I took the question was genuine because I have no reason not to - and the answer is "No-one makes them".
Personally, I'd be happy to see it - but I'm told that we'd just shut the threads, so clearly I'm not in the right loop.
See above.
So, are we done now? Can we get back to the topic in this thread or do I need to make a clearer statement that the staff are entirely happy to see one thread per car launch and one thread per race rather than giant catch-all threads that the site owner and only other site administrator are both on record as disliking intently?
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Because you staff/admin members have never explained it well enough to begin with, despite "how loud" your text speaks. That and others were never sure either, so thank you for making it clear. It also explains why threads get merged and why PM was made well aware by staff and members to why his GTA comments were out of place.
Basically more individual thread freedom is highly welcomed but so long as the threads actually see activity that isn't simultaneously being seen in another thread. Hence why there is always a 24h LM thread each year even though WEC and the General Le Mans thread talk about the race too at the same time.
Anyways on the Mercedes end the front of the car is hard to tell if they adopted the testing used in Brazil or kept the same car entirely and just did a new tray (tons of floor aero going on), new rear wing, new engine cover and obviously new engine. Which is a lot of new work for a car that doesn't look it.
Thanks to @lxmmy for posting this up. Useful analysis on the new Mercedes.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/tech-analysis-the-15-key-changes-on-the-mercedes-w07-674696/
Because you staff/admin members have never explained it well enough to begin with, despite "how loud" your text speaks. That and others were never sure either, so thank you for making it clear. It also explains why threads get merged and why PM was made well aware by staff and members to why his GTA comments were out of place.
Basically more individual thread freedom is highly welcomed but so long as the threads actually see activity that isn't simultaneously being seen in another thread. Hence why there is always a 24h LM thread each year even though WEC and the General Le Mans thread talk about the race too at the same time.
Anyways on the Mercedes end the front of the car is hard to tell if they adopted the testing used in Brazil or kept the same car entirely and just did a new tray (tons of floor aero going on), new rear wing, new engine cover and obviously new engine. Which is a lot of new work for a car that doesn't look it.
Thanks to @lxmmy for posting this up. Useful analysis on the new Mercedes.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/tech-analysis-the-15-key-changes-on-the-mercedes-w07-674696/
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If the staff is supposedly for making lots of smaller threads as opposed to the "monolithic" ones, why was there so much fuss about the Wolfgang Reip thread? Having all the launches muddled in one monolithic thread is looked down on, but barrying discussion of a GT Acadmy driver in somewhere in a GT3 thread (which covers multiple series) is also looked down on....right
Also, don't assume you know how other people like their threads. Your point about "new people are intimidated by large threads" is complete nonsense. I started frequenting the motorsport forum about a year ago, and had no trouble dealing with the "monolithic" threads. I didn't feel the need to read anything from the start, but at least the option is there. With the little threads which fall off after every event/year, that info disappears never to be read again, unless someone actually goes searching for it.
The degree to which people around here get bent out of shape over the creation of different threads, or changing thread titles even, is so unbelievably childish that I can't help but laugh.
Like I've said before, of all the forums I frequent, (and I only ever see this issue on GTP) the number of posts made regarding whether or not a specific thread or post should be made and where it should be made often outweighs the number of posts with actual good information, and it's rediculous.
The only reason people are making a stink about the F1 threads is because PM made a stink about the Wolfgang Riep thread, that's it that's all.
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In fairness it's not water that one gets sprayed with at the top of some of those threads.
Seconded.
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Curse my optimism. Again.
Or something.
That actually happens less on GTPlanet than other site, because idiots don't tend to last long here (again, that's a generalisation rather than a blanket statement). Nevertheless, that's not what we want. We want people to come to GTPlanet and participate in the site without being dumped on for doing so by 'senior' members.
If the on-the-record words of the site's only admin and the site's only super-admin - and owner - that we do not want monolithic, catch-all threads for race series because they stifle discussion and discourage participation aren't enough for you, I don't really know what else to say. Though I can say that the days of the automotive forums' thread behemoths are numbered - and the numbers are rather low.
Now are we done?
Good point. If only the staff had said that the thread was perfectly fine where it was inside the first four posts, reinforced that repeatedly and then, when that fact was established, deleted the entire off-topic discussion two weeks ago and left the thread exactly where it was.If the staff is supposedly for making lots of smaller threads as opposed to the "monolithic" ones, why was there so much fuss about the Wolfgang Reip thread? Having all the launches muddled in one monolithic thread is looked down on, but barrying discussion of a GT Acadmy driver in somewhere in a GT3 thread (which covers multiple series) is also looked down on....right
Or something.
Whatever your personal experience is (and please learn the difference between a generalisation and a blanket statement before wading in), the fact is that, for the most part, new members to ANY website are incredibly daunted by gigantic threads. They don't have the time to read from the start and know that if they post in it without having done so they run the risk of posting something already posted and being torn apart by the pack. And they don't start new threads because if they do, they run the risk of posting something already posted in the gigantic threads and being torn apart by the pack.
That actually happens less on GTPlanet than other site, because idiots don't tend to last long here (again, that's a generalisation rather than a blanket statement). Nevertheless, that's not what we want. We want people to come to GTPlanet and participate in the site without being dumped on for doing so by 'senior' members.
If the on-the-record words of the site's only admin and the site's only super-admin - and owner - that we do not want monolithic, catch-all threads for race series because they stifle discussion and discourage participation aren't enough for you, I don't really know what else to say. Though I can say that the days of the automotive forums' thread behemoths are numbered - and the numbers are rather low.
I do hope not - that would be trolling. Particularly given that the "stink" was removed by the staff after it was pointed by the same staff out that the thread was fine just where it was, leaving the discussion to carry on unabated by it. Just like this one will be. And trolls don't last long here either (again, generalisation).
Now are we done?
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Thanks again at @lxmmy for another useful bit of tech info on the Ferrari http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/tech-lowdown-hidden-secrets-of-ferraris-new-f1-car-674606/
Also I thought I'd post up all the engine sounds before testing since I think we've only heard the mercedes.
Here is the Ferrari that was already posted up, thanks @G_Parrilla
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ead-read-1st-post.339814/page-9#post-11229176
Renault and Honda
Honda:
Renault:
New Renault engine reminds me of a proper 80s turbo era sound and then followed by the Mercedes. The other two are better as well.
Also I thought I'd post up all the engine sounds before testing since I think we've only heard the mercedes.
Here is the Ferrari that was already posted up, thanks @G_Parrilla
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ead-read-1st-post.339814/page-9#post-11229176
Renault and Honda
Honda:
Renault:
New Renault engine reminds me of a proper 80s turbo era sound and then followed by the Mercedes. The other two are better as well.
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double post delete please.
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Today's drivers at Catalunya;
BBC
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Go so what is Tempreture in Barcelona right now?
some bench mark times:
2015 pole is: 1:24.681
Fastest lap: 1:28.270
Given it's winter the track conditions are going to be more favorable and the cold air will be better for the turbos so at the very minimum these same times would need about 1 or 1.5 seconds dropped off to be comparable.
I doubt anyone will go for the pole lap but the fastest lap in race conditions is going to be a very good guide to go from, especially as we can see what kind of run they are running simply by seeing how long their stints are.
some bench mark times:
2015 pole is: 1:24.681
Fastest lap: 1:28.270
Given it's winter the track conditions are going to be more favorable and the cold air will be better for the turbos so at the very minimum these same times would need about 1 or 1.5 seconds dropped off to be comparable.
I doubt anyone will go for the pole lap but the fastest lap in race conditions is going to be a very good guide to go from, especially as we can see what kind of run they are running simply by seeing how long their stints are.
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Another hint about a potential livery change from Renault as part of their cut-out-and-keep testing checklist 
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BBC straw poll of people at the track reveals how much louder the cars seem this year... so far they don't seem louder at all, apparently.
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Pat Symonds reckons that there is a 12% increase in the sound.
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That was his theoretical guess, the BBC point out that this may yet be achieved as "we" may not have heard the cars at flat chat.
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Part of the problem is the way FOM never retuned their microphones to compensate for the change in engine sound. That's why it's worth investing in a soundbar.
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If McLaren are doing full-speed runs then it seems the margin to front will be roughly the same as last year. Let's hope that's not the case...
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Can you actually notice the 12% though even if it is true?
Also that redbull livery looks nicer in real life.
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